It’s not in your head. Study proves we prioritize harm against women while often minimizing harm against men.

mr_ogyny · 2024-12-14T22:26:21+00:00

Man abuses woman: he needs to be beaten up and arrested

Woman abuses man: he needs to get her help for depression, PMS, blah blah blah. What did he do to make her behave that way?

Meanwhile, why don’t men open up about these things?

Remote_Purpose_4323 · 2024-12-14T23:27:52+00:00

Great article, also it’s nice to see that authors are women,it’s written so carefully that I will be surprised if men haters will find something to say against it.

AfghanistanIsTaliban · 2024-12-15T10:02:57+00:00

Cultural shifts, including feminist movements and the push for gender equality, have heightened societal sensitivity to harm against women. While addressing critical issues like workplace harassment, these changes have also perpetuated an imbalance in harm perception. For example, men face harsher judgments for workplace misconduct, even when the behavior is identical to that of women. Similarly, judicial data reveal that men are more likely to be convicted and receive harsher sentences for comparable offenses, reflecting stereotypes of men as aggressors and women as victims.

From original paper:

Experiments reveal people perceive the same actions as more sexist, harassing, and insulting when they are committed by a man than a woman [103,104]. Such perceptions extend to moral responses, such that people desire harsher punishments and are less willing to forgive a man (versus a woman) who makes a potentially inappropriate comment at the workplace [72].

As in, men are being disproportionately disciplined for workplace misconduct as well as other interpersonal activities. Men's actions and behaviors are overpoliced compared to the severity of the offence when putting aside gender.

Now I wonder if this has always been the case, or that it only happened after MeToo. I would not be surprised if the former turned out to be true, and that MeToo's intent was to make men's lives even harder.

One of the articles cited is Mock Juror Gender Biases and Perceptions of Self-Defense Claims in Intimate Partner Homicide (2014). The study was conducted before MeToo and states in the abstract:

Mock jurors were more likely to convict a man than a woman who had killed an abusive partner, which was partially mediated by sympathy toward both the victim and defendant.

I'm not going to comment on whether killing an abuser is justified because that would deserve its own discussion. But notice that jurors saw both genders doing it, yet decided to go easier on one of them. And this is with the baked-in assumption of the partner being abusive (ie. similar circumstances)

I couldn't find an earlier-dated article on gender bias when it comes to workplace misconduct reports, but there is a wealth of papers suggesting bias in the criminal justice system, as well as bias from jurors (both male and female) themselves. But overall, nothing too alarming - it was already an open secret before MeToo that men are more likely to be treated as criminals for the same behavior as women. In this case however, it's more disgusting considering that courts see "battered wife syndrome" as a valid defense in a murder trial.

Feminists will blame this extreme hatred/suspicion of men on "patriarchy." After all, patriarchy theory is the foundation of feminism since Seneca Falls and Fourier (any claims of "staw feminism" in response to this assertion can be trivially dismissed). So it is unsurprising for the feminists (as well as "pro-feminists" and "menslibs") to hijack this issue in order to uphold patriarchy theory. That's two for the price of one:

dismiss/downplay a legitimate MR grievance against feminism,
provide a stronger case for "feminism helping men" even though feminist silence on these types of issues is strongly apparent (other than incessantly stating that "patriarchy hurts men too")

And it's also pseudoscientific. They don't have to provide any evidence that such issues can be traced from patriarchy - they simply handwave it into existence. Just like how feminists earlier handwaved the gendered DV myth which inspired the feminist creation of the oppressive Duluth Model. They falsely justify the false arrest of DV suspects based on a false narrative - the narrative that "men perpetrate violence to retain patriarchy and women only hit in self-defence" and that this event is any more likely than a woman hitting a man.

Patriarchy theory is an unfalsifiable (see: pseudoscientific) assertion by design - if men have privilege, it's blamed on patriarchy, if not, it's blamed again on patriarchy. You cannot reason morons out of an idea that they did not reason themselves into... But if you want to try, here is a left-wing (Trotskyist) criticism of patriarchy theory. It's a very detailed and well-researched criticism made by a group that rejects idpol, instead favoring revolutionary struggle. In other words: believing that the labor question takes precedence over the national question (and all other questions), the latter of which has been preferred by ultranationalists such as Mussolini.

walacegro · 2024-12-15T04:56:36+00:00

I'm relieved to see this. I've always noticed things like this, but it was hard to explain since everyone I knew seemed not to notice.

wroubelek · 2024-12-15T05:27:46+00:00

This article should really get recognition. I've sent it to a couple of slightly misandrist scholars I know already.

hendrixski · 2024-12-15T13:31:51+00:00

I want more studies like this. Who are the people behind this and how can I support them?

Draggonzz · 2024-12-15T18:43:54+00:00

Original study here https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsbl.2024.0381

Very interesting, although I must say not much here is all that surprising. Like this

At a broader level, societal concern is more readily directed toward women’s challenges. For instance, underrepresentation of women in male-dominated fields like engineering is often attributed to discrimination and addressed through intervention, while men’s underrepresentation in female-dominated fields like nursing receives less attention. This disparity reflects assumptions that women need protection and support, while men are expected to endure harm with resilience.

I mean, yeah.

AmuseDeath · 2024-12-15T23:13:11+00:00

Wondering why it takes hundreds of years and massive studies to prove something we've already felt from the start. It's like society will throw any excuse to cast doubt on this topic.

Legitimate_Fan_4977 · 2024-12-15T11:39:56+00:00

And us men are equally guilty of having this mentality. Men would laugh at other men, bully them or even kill other men just because women want them to, or women manipulate them into doing all of that. Like, each time I told a woman off after her bullying me or others and obviously she played the victim (as usual) the first people to come into her "rescue" were men. Even women sometimes accept and agree on how horrible they are, but men will always take womens side and treat them like delicate little flowers that needs to be protected and saved. Seriously sick of it!

Title	It’s not in your head. Study proves we prioritize harm against women while often minimizing harm against men.
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Date	December 14, 2024 8:32 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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