Maybe we should tone down feminism hate

problem_redditor · 2019-08-06T05:18:15+00:00

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How are we supposed to advocate for men without criticising feminism when feminists are standing in the way of equality in cases when sexism positively favours women (and disadvantages men) and protesting anything we do to raise awareness or strive for genuine equality?

How are we supposed to gain sympathy and concern for men without criticising feminism when the fundamental basis of feminist ideology is the completely false and misandric "Patriarchy Theory" which unfairly demonises and maligns today's men, as well as previous generations of men, as being involved in a massive conspiracy to privilege men and oppress women?

How are we supposed to raise awareness for male victims of domestic violence and female perpetrators without criticising feminism when society's view of domestic violence is informed by the feminist-based Duluth Model which characterises domestic violence as a primarily male-on-female crime caused by "patriarchal terrorism against women" and characterises any DV committed by women as "violent resistance" towards an abuser?

How are we supposed to raise awareness about male victims of rape without criticising feminism when feminist Mary P Koss cut male victims of female perpetrators out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research by defining rape specifically as forced penetration and excluded victims that were made to penetrate on the basis that they were just "ambivalent about their desires"?

How are we supposed to support shared parenting without criticising feminism when the National Organisation for Women has opposed it every step of the way?

How can we do any of that without criticising individual feminists, or the feminist movement at large?

DJ-Roukan · 2019-08-06T06:02:33+00:00

Yeah, not happening.

They will knife you in the back at the peace talks.

epalsliphead · 2019-08-06T07:18:12+00:00

Might as well say that those who criticize people who shut down freedom of speech as "haters" too...people who spew crazy nonsense while ignoring the facts presented to them deserve to be laughed at and mocked.

darkbluexanadu · 2019-08-06T14:07:20+00:00

Well intentioned OP but the reality is the feminist movement has made support for mrm vs feminism a purely binary choice. Which ever you pick, no matter your thoughts, reasoning, understanding, or objectivity you have to be against the other group.

Feminism has also made even suggesting social programs for mrm means the are losing out or having their support stripped. The reason theu try and include men in feminism isnt "equality for all". Its to control the narrative.

Lethn · 2019-08-06T07:47:34+00:00

Feminism is a hate movement against men, change my mind, no, I won't ever apologise for hating it.

imbecile · 2019-08-06T06:11:51+00:00

Well, you wouldn't advocate for less hatred against fascim and whipe power movements, would you?

Sure, you shouldn't drown everyone in hatred who says she is a feminist, maybe she just didn't know any better the way she was raised and grew up. Especially since it is impossible to escape feminist propaganda in media and education. There are also a lot of racists who just don't know any better the way they grew up.

Doesn't mean they aren't blameless and aren't contributing to discrimination and hurting others. But getting the full hate blast immediately often loses them for good.

But there are also enough people who deserve all the hate they get. And the movements as a whole also deserve all the hate they get.

ThePigmanAgain · 2019-08-06T09:50:21+00:00

Thank you for your gibberish.

RT-AC66U · 2019-08-06T12:40:52+00:00

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-cant-we-hate-men/2018/06/08/f1a3a8e0-6451-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html?outputType=amp

They started it.

furchfur · 2019-08-06T12:14:02+00:00

Feminism is a male hate movement. It is nothing to do with equality and everything to do with getting special privileges for females.

We need to step it up not tone it down.

marcooni1 · 2019-08-06T13:30:50+00:00

Not agreing or showing feminism flawes isn´t hate. If i disagree with someones views, then it doesn´t mean that I hate him/her.

dontpet · 2019-08-06T15:33:08+00:00

I think we too often focus on feminism on this sub when it is just good old misandry that existed long before feminism came along.

I love the unpacking of feminism on this sub but my direct evidence in advocating for men in my region is that attacking feminism only wakes up sleeping dogs.

Most feminists I know are quite happy to tolerate men's rights talk if you avoid the dog whistles that we also have.

justaddasbestus · 2019-08-06T16:15:28+00:00

I expect to be downvoted for this, but feminism is a necessity in areas like the Middle East, where women are treated bad. But, feminism can be a bad thing when it goes to far and men are put to shame as the result of an imaginary war in the minds of these people that never existed. Do not become the the thing you have sworn to destroy

martynhare · 2019-08-06T20:05:21+00:00

You’re saying this like most people here hate feminism in general, that’s actually not true. A lot of people hate specific feminist doctrines that simply happen to be popular among a great many self-proclaimed feminists, like: intersectionality, patriarchy theory, inherited privilege, positive discrimination, intrinsic privilege and denial of inherent sexual dimorphism. When you have people praising these hateful doctrines fro, the rooftops without realising why they’re hateful, it’s no wonder why judgements are harsh and assumptions are made so rashly.

I’m certain most of the folks here are in support of feminists like Christina Hoff-Sommers who speak out about the many situations where women are unfairly discriminated in favour of (to the detriment of men) and people like Cassie Jaye, a feminist who created a decent documentary highlighting the legitimacy of Men’s Rights Activism.

Overall, most of us here are willing to listen to feminists of all types and plenty of us are even happy to engage in dialogue with them without needing to resort to formal debate tactics.

DavidByron2 · 2019-08-06T20:05:54+00:00

I assume what you really mean is that we shouldn't call out feminist hate. So ironically you are making a call to endorse hatred, by equating hate and the opposition of hate.

Feminists are a hate group so they will always attack the MRM no matter what. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

mgtow-zen · 2019-08-06T21:29:26+00:00

Hating isn't good for you. Not public, not private. Grudges and judgements will make you miserable.

But feminism is a hate group. It's just that they've become so mainstream, it sounds like hate when you tell the truth about them.

I think we will need to forgive them because we need to heal them. You can't heal someone you actively hate and it's ultimately the only way out.

Dont worry about MRM being classified a hate group, it already is. If it doesn't fit the narrative of the women's supremacy movement, it is a hate group.

Keenin455 · 2019-08-08T02:53:57+00:00

If you can point out where they've earned that right, I'll be glad to.

Until then, their past and current actions, that have led to many men considering suicide, justify disparagement.

AEHIILRS · 2019-08-07T00:33:35+00:00

Plainly describing feminism's accomplishments and aims is not "hating".

Title	Maybe we should tone down feminism hate
Author	Pantsinator9
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Date	August 6, 2019 4:54 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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