More people should acknowledge this issue

mgtowolf · 2019-02-27T21:22:16+00:00

Until shrinks learn a thing or two about how men's minds actually work, asking for help is practically pointless. Laying on a couch yapping was complete waste of money.

summonblood · 2019-02-27T22:20:30+00:00

This is such fake activism. Let’s be vulnerable? How? When? Is being vulnerable to people actually the best way to combat suicide?

Instead of trying to get men to talk about their problems like women do, why don’t we level with how men actually deal with their problems? Instead of using words like, “be vulnerable” or “talk” or “open up”, why not use words that actually resonate? Conquer your self-doubt, fix your depression, learn how to endure through suicidal thoughts, how to build confidence, advice for beating negative thoughts, lift together the heavy burden of guilt & shame.

The problem is the marketing and the approach. You can end up talking it out through CBT, but it has to resonate with how men think about their problems. We want it to make sense and we want to problem solve.

Personally, I ended up meeting with a psychologist to battle depression, and found out through genetic testing and other testing that I have ADHD, Anxiety, unusual high sensitivity to pain, and depression. My doc walked me through the neuroscience and the neuro-chemical science behind the difference. This made sense to me, I now could think about things not as a fault I can’t conquer, but a reality that I’ll need to make accommodations for. I openly talk about suicidal thoughts with my doc because his entire approach was 1st on understanding by asking me how I’ve tried to solve it, my analysis thus far, then on challenging my assumptions, and asking me to share my thoughts so he can better help me solve them. This is how you do it. I always got told, just talk about your problems, just open up, be vulnerable. I didn’t care about that. Once I admitted that I couldn’t figure it out anymore, then I sought professional help.

UsedToBeRadical · 2019-02-28T00:30:19+00:00

Double standards. If women committed suicide more often than men, they would not be asked to change themselves, instead feminists would say that it's society that needs to change.

Why are men always the ones that have to take responsibility, but women don't need to? (at least according to the feminist narrative)

Hot4M · 2019-02-27T21:06:16+00:00

So what is he saying, Men need to learn how to not kill themselves? Teach women not to have babies and rely on men to pay for it. Teach women not to make false accusations. Teach society that it is actually men that receive systemic discrimination.

DigitalisEdible · 2019-02-27T23:19:31+00:00

Why are people constantly pushing this pseudo-science bullshit about male suicide being due to men not allowing themselves to be vulnerable. It’s such nonsense. In fact you’ll find a direct correlation between the feminisation of society, and increased male suicide, so in fact telling men to be more emotional is more likely to be a cause of male depression and suicide than a cure. I don’t accept “be more vulnerable” as an answer.

BramblEdge · 2019-02-28T00:39:02+00:00

Interesting how for every issue women face, be they real or imagined, the solution is always for society to change. Whereas every issue men face yields the response that men need to change.

Maybe men kill themselves because they lead tougher lives in virtually every aspect, and because no-one listens and no-one cares. Maybe if society changed so that men could be heard, suicide wouldn't be the biggest killer of men under 50.

Or we can keep on the same path we've been at, carry on blaming men and well, not solve any of the issues that cause men to choose suicide.

wateroclock · 2019-02-27T20:57:50+00:00

Another encouragement for men to be more feminine. Definitely will help.

Avistew · 2019-02-27T21:15:33+00:00

It's good to tell men to ask for support, but it would also be nice to ask everyone to support men.

Onlymgtow88 · 2019-02-27T21:37:35+00:00

Dunno this kinda blames men for Being men and gives society a pass for being awful to men.

Pathfinder24 · 2019-02-28T00:38:09+00:00

Is there any evidence that showing vulnerability lowers risk of suicide? Because this post is looking a lot like /r/wowthanksimcured/

SirYouAreIncorrect · 2019-02-28T02:40:28+00:00

Clearly this person does not have the foggest understanding for the causes of male suicide

Hint is is not "macho bullshit" or "toxic masculinity" that are the causes of Male Suicide, and these male feminists that believe that bullshit are part of the problem

Greg_W_Allan · 2019-02-27T21:48:23+00:00

What retard thinks "Men can't cry" is the reason there's male suicide?

No it's not Homelessness, Fatherless homes, Discrimination in Education, an ongoing Feminist narrative that men and boys are subhuman oppressors, it's that someone (Never seen or heard this individual myself, outside of the "Male Tears" feminists) is telling men "not to cry".

masterdebator300 · 2019-02-27T20:57:35+00:00

If i am the fault of problems then i am the solution.

😩🔫

RadoxDZN · 2019-02-28T05:27:17+00:00

I respectfully disagree with this post. Acknowledging the high male suicide rate is important, however, “showing our vulnerability” isn’t a great approach to solving the problem. This tweet is still inherently blaming men for a system that is stacked against them, when in reality, it’s pro-feminist organizations, social pressure, and gender bias in legal systems which all pressure many men to the point of breaking.

boringcarpets · 2019-02-28T08:16:32+00:00

Utter bullshit. How about address the court systems that take half of men's wealth and take our children away? How about the homelessness epidemic? How about the societal forces expectations that force men to work ever longer hours in dirty and dangerous jobs because a man's worth is directly related to his salary? Or the society that literally doesnt care if you die at work? That expects men to prostrate ourselves and sacrifice our lives? The same society that crows about equality but doesnt expect it of women, and will jump to defend women at the merest of a papercut.

Men don't kill themselves because they want to be vulnerable and "aren't allowed" they do it because they have no choices and no way out and no one gives a shit. Parental alienation? No one cares. Children not actually yours? No one cares. Lost your job? Wife leaves.

Just fuck of with this "men need to show emotion" bullshit - the first person to throw a man under the bus in hard times is the nearest woman. Every. Damn. Time.

2019-02-28T12:59:18+00:00

Remember when men tried to get a symposium on this together, but the WOMYAN'S STUDIES and FEMINISM departments of the universities literally shut them down when it wasn't going to be "women get to lecture men on toxic masculinity and tell them feminism is the answer?"

I remember.

Remember "Chanty Binx" screaming with laughter at the thought of men killing themselves and singing "Cry me a river" mockingly?

I remember.

PrismMage · 2019-02-28T04:36:38+00:00

As someone who is struggling with depression, I am not the least bit surprised by this stat.

IDprefertostayanon · 2019-02-28T04:41:11+00:00

I see a lot of you complain about this post and it's sure no perfect, but i'm so glad that people started openly say "i won't man up"

Yoji_84 · 2019-02-28T15:27:11+00:00

This idiot has no idea of what he's talking about. The suicide rate is high because there is change, you moron.

Let's not change!

BetterBadIdeas · 2019-02-28T19:29:10+00:00

Quit telling men that the only way to feel feelings properly is to be more like women.

The male suicide epidemic is the result of failures in our society. We decry the male victims of suicide for not seeking help that was never actually available, and blame some fundamental flaw in who we are as men.

Moneyshot7319 · 2019-02-28T23:01:49+00:00

Shared on Facebook.

goodmod · 2019-02-27T23:40:32+00:00

Although this is a good post, the title does not say enough about its subject. This forces people to click and read before they can decide whether they are interested. It also makes searching impossible.

If everyone did this, the subreddit would become unusable.

So please don't do it in future. Take the time to describe your link, and save the time of hundreds of other people.

When making a title, it's best to assume the reader doesn't know what you're talking about - but don't go overboard with every detail. Then check if there are any words you can cut out without losing any important information.

Title	More people should acknowledge this issue
Author	TheRealMrSeptember
Upvotes	81
Comments	37
Date	February 27, 2019 8:40 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/avi4ot/more_people_should_acknowledge_this_issue/
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