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Nightmare Administrator Thinks Student Waiting Patiently for Assistance Is Harassing Her

cavehobbit

May 16, 2015
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Title Nightmare Administrator Thinks Student Waiting Patiently for Assistance Is Harassing Her
Author

cavehobbit

Upvotes 209
Comments 60
Date May 16, 2015 12:51 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/365u0c/nightmare_administrator_thinks_student_waiting/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/nightmare-administrator-thinks-student-waiting.980107
https://theredarchive.com/post/980107
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Comments

[–]spriggig 33 points34 points35 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

It can't be long, now, can it? Won't we hit some threshold where the crazy overwhelms the societal denial of reality and people become aware of it?

Sometimes I think this same scenario was the real reason for the downfall of Rome.

[–]Trail_of_Jeers 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, it never happened in Rome, and never happened in Germany.

So no, I shan't expect it.

[–]DaNiceguy7 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Right on the money. History proves that once the "virtuous few" fail or give up to the sociopaths (by far the norm of history rather than the exception), society descends into tyranny. The masses are too engrossed in their consumption and drama to give half a shit.

[–]BlacknOrangeZ8 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It's happening all the time. It happened to you, it happened to me. It's a gradual thing for each individual and so it's a gradual thing for society.

[–]Aarondhp24 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Lead plumbing was a more likely reason for the downfall of rome.

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

?

[–]Aarondhp24 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There wasn't a societal thresh hold that was struck. Rome utilized lead pipes to carry their drinking water, essentially self poisoning themselves. This leads many researchers to believe that it played an enormous role in downfall of Rome.

The argument that /u/spriggig made was out of left field.

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My kingdom! My kingdom! My kingdom for a lead pipe.

Was any of this in Gibbon?

[–]musa_acuminata 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They're not mutually exclusive. Lead poisoning doesn't just cause depression and birth defects.

Most developed countries don't contaminate their drinking water with lead anymore, but they do spread around much more insidious toxins, including ones that bioaccumulate like lead does (and, for that matter, lead itself through sources other than water).

I don't have enough data to draw any conclusions about the impacts of either society's social behaviour problems, but if you consider lead poisoning a likely root cause of Rome's collapse, you may want to think twice about the state of the environment you live in now.

[–]Aarondhp24 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lead poisoning doesn't just cause depression and birth defects.

Depression? What are you talking about? Lead poisoning causes acute psychosis. Cell death. Organ Failure.

but if you consider lead poisoning a likely root cause of Rome's collapse, you may want to think twice about the state of the environment you live in now.

That's a pretty vapid argument. Contaminants are a far leap from having the actual pipes carrying your drinking water made of lead. I wasn't the one who came to this conclusion. Researchers did.

[–]SweetiePieJonas 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There really isn't a lot of evidence for this theory. During the decades where people burned leaded gasoline, people had way more lead in their bloodstreams than the Romans ever had, and at most it resulted in a spike in violent crime.

[–]TRPACC 24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh she knows its not harassment, thats just what she understands accusations against men to be for.

[–]DRMMR76 53 points54 points55 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

FTA "Also, is the definition of harassment now just “anything that bothers anyone” at university campuses?"

No. Of course not. That's hogwash. The definition of harassment is anything that bothers anyone who isn't a straight white male.

[–]WhiteThrone 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought the definition of harassment was anything that threatens the administrators cushy job or paycheck. Must not interfere with their suckling from the public teat.

[–]bertreapot 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i'm glad people outside of the MRA are finally catching on to this.

[–]STEM_logic 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think non-white people have actual empathy/victimhood privelege relative to white people in the wider world like women do.

Sure, committed sjws might have that emotional setup, but they're a minority of the actual real world, a real world which contains a large number of anti-minority racists aswell. Women's empathy/victimhood privelege is radically different because it's not only supported by feminists, but by every traditionalist aswell.

I don't think anyone of any race can get away with aggressively playing the "I feel threatened" card against a person of another race like women (including a huge number of women who are the first to demand equality when it selfishly suits them) can get away with playing it against men.

[–]cajunrevenge 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So what happened when security came?

[–]Mel_Gibsons_Sanity 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably a whole lot of nothing

[–]warspite88 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am guessing she never did this sort of thing to female students

[–]Innocent_Pretzel 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, no. She did it to female students too.

One student, Amber Wann, said she had difficulty getting into a couple classes she needed and was worried she would fall behind. When she asked if there was a way to avoid the waitlist, Dawson replied in an email, "I will not continue to answer the same question." Wann tweeted a screenshot of the exchange…

So this administrator is just being douchish.

[–]redgreenyellowblu 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are 'crazy eyes'. Keep her away from steak knives.

[–]leftajar 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can we get this woman fired? There's no reason she should be collecting tax revenue as salary.

[–]_-_Dan_-_ 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd like to see the whole story before making any judgments about her. Usually interesting what was not recorded.

On a related note, this story fits into a world where personal problems (feel threatened/harassed without any actual threats/harassment) are seen as legitimate because the person feels this way. And we "have to respect a person's feelings" ... instead of recommending some therapy.

After all, what could go wrong if we treat people's feelings not only as real to her (which they are, e.g., someone who is claustrophobic really feels panic in tight spaces), but as real in general (yep, the walls are really out to get that claustrophobic person).

But hey, competence and adult behavior is overrated and it's not going to lead to prejudices and outright discrimination, or lynchings or anything like that. Nope, never has ... /s

[+]TheeSweeney -11 points-10 points-9 points 11 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

What does this have to do with mens rights?

It seems like this is just another "aw shucks women sure are crazy" post.

And why the feminism tag?

[–]Faryshta 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

The boy was being accused of harassment for being a male while sitting and then denied the service he is paying for (couseling).

[–]legionofcoon 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It have become a staple of the movement. Harassment is anything they dont like.

[–]TheeSweeney 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

The boy was being accused of harassment for being a male while sitting and then denied the service he is paying for (couseling).

When did being male come into play?

[–]Faryshta 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

let me put it this way. Just because it doesn't affect males only doesn't make it a male issue. Circumcision for example is a male issue, rape is a male issue, false accusations is a male issue and none of them affect only males.

don't fall on the feminist trap please

[–]TheeSweeney 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (24 children) | Copy Link

OK, but that brings me back to my original point, what makes this a male issue? Are you saying that everything that effects men is a male issue? Because it seems like the opposite is just as true, and not everything that affects men is a male issue.

Edit: a word

[–]Faryshta 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

it affects males. that makes it a male issue.

whats the opposite to that?

[–]TheeSweeney 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Because it seems like the opposite is just as true, and not everything that affects men is a male issue.

Edit: Eg. Global warming - effects men, not a male issue.

[–]Faryshta 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

good counter example. ok then its a social problem that affects males too

[–]TheeSweeney 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Which, back to my original point, would me it isn't a "male issue", just a case of one woman being a bitch to one man.

[–]Faryshta 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

it affects males, its a social issue, we can get behind it. i see no reason why this is not relevant

[–]TheeSweeney1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

But it's not a social issue, it's a single bitch.

[–]Faryshta2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

well according to that logic the matress girl case is not a male issue either because its a single bitch acusing a single guy.

or 90% of false rape accusations.

or domestic violence against males.

or the white girl banning males from cultural activities that its on the frontpage of this sub now

[–]TheeSweeney1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No, because mattress girl was actively championed by some feminists

and as you said, men get 90% of false rape accusations - whereas I wouldn't say a majority of the people on the receiving end of bitching are men

and domestic violence against men is by definition a men's issue, as is the case of the girl banning men. So none of your examples are fair analogies since at some point in all of them male culture is brought up, but in this case no one anywhere mentioned anything about being male.

It's the same with some people making this a race issue just because he's black. That has nothing to do with it, she's just a bitch.

[–]Faryshta2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

false accusation are cases of a woman commiting a crime against a men. The cases being seen individually are one woman being a bitch to one men.

this case a woman treatened a men with a false harassment accusation.

[–]TheeSweeney1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

So I'll assume you're conceding that the other 3 points you made were irrelevant.

In the case of the rape, it's a male issue because the form of rape that he is being accused of is something that only a male could do, and is therefore necessarily a male problem. In this case, there could just have easily been a girl/woman sitting there being accused of harassment.

[–]Faryshta2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

no, don't assume that.

it's a male issue because the form of rape that he is being accused of is something that only a male could do,

don't assume that. Thats a fallacy and not where this movement should aim. We shouldn't just focus on things that only affect males.

[–]TheeSweeney1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Well you just dropped them and jumped ship to the one that seemed to hold some water.

What fallacy is that? Assuming that raping someone with a penis can only be done by someone with a penis?

[–]Faryshta2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

asuming that only issues that affect males only are male issues.

[–]TheeSweeney1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I never said that nor did I imply it.

I asked how this was a male issue, and not jut one woman being a bitch.

Then you said "Just because it doesn't affect males only doesn't make it [not] a male issue."

To which I said "Ok, but not everything that affects men is a male issue.."

You said "It affects males. That makes it a male issue."

I provided my example of global warming.

and you replied "OK then it's a social problem that affects males too"

But you still haven't said what the problem is. All you've been saying is "It's a problem that affects men, it's a male issue." What is "it", what are you talking about, what is the actual issue, what is the conflict beyond this woman is a bitch.

I feel like you are missing the fundamental point of my line of questioning which is "What is this woman doing that escalates this from her just being bitchy to an issue that is the result of his being a man?"

[–]Faryshta0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

it's a male issue because the form of rape that he is being accused of is something that only a male could do,

[–]TheeSweeney1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

right, being falsely of raping someone is a male issue because in a vast majority of the cases it is a man that is accused of using his penis, and putting it somewhere that someone else doesn't want it.

BUT AGAIN, YOU ARE FAILING TO ADDRESS MY ACTUAL QUESTION AND FIXATING ON A TOPIC YOU BROUGHT UP THAT IS OF LITTLE RELEVANCE.

[–]Faryshta0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

thats your quote.

my point is simple, if its a social issue that affect men then there is no reason why not to discuss it.

[–]TheeSweeney1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I know that's my quote. I'm saying that that topic has no relevance to my original questioning, and just because I chose to engage you before does not mean that our disagreements on that subject in any way relate to what I am trying to figure out.

AND THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER!

WHAT IS THE SOCIAL ISSUE? WHAT IS AT PLAY HERE THAT MAKES THIS A SOCIAL ISSUE AND NOT A WOMAN BEING A BITCH?

[–]Faryshta0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

the social issue is that the guy got treatened with a alse harassment accusation by an university worker who was supposed to provide a service that he paid for.

[–]TheeSweeney1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That's not a social issue. That's one discrete experience.

[–]Faryshta0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

By that logic a false rape accusation is not a social issue either.

[–]TheeSweeney1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Alright dude, you're clearly just trolling at this point.

[–]Faryshta0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

if you say so

[–]Faryshta2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

asuming that only issues that affect males only are male issues.

[–]TRPACC 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminism put all these harassment laws and ideology in place, and this feminist has threatened to make a false accusation to invoke these laws.

[–]TheeSweeney 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We don't know if she's a "feminist", it looks like she's just a bitch.

Just as it is possible for men to be dicks without it being the result of patriarchy, it possible for women to be bad people without the cause being feminism.

[–]TRPACC 17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are right, she might be just acting like feminist who knows exactly how to exploit feminist laws.

Here is a review of Daphne Patai's book on how feminists use harassment in academia, the cause of this behaviour in academic environments looks to be feminism and feminists.

http://www.wendymcelroy.com/articles/heterophobia.html

[+]richardnorth -15 points-14 points-13 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

C'mon guys this whole article is pure speculation. We don't know the context of this interaction, let's just drop it.

[–]Mel_Gibsons_Sanity 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She provided the context, he was sitting there waiting. She did not express to him he was being rude, arrogant, knocking on her door etc. She laid it all out there, the worst she had was he was "waiting".

Maybe if she had more to come at the guy with, but she didn't. It looks like the context is she came out to the waiting room to confront him about waiting. That seems pretty clear that was her biggest issue. Saying we need to know more context is just buying time to exaggerate things or come up with other minor details there were a non-issue and make them an issue.

[–]rockymountainoysters -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They're downvoting you, but I also don't entirely understand the popularity of this video. It's a very short clip which seems to be missing important context which might tell a clearer story. From what one can see, something unfair definitely seems to be happening but one can't completely determine what exactly is going on in this video.

[–]BlacknOrangeZ 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was actually more than this video provided. He showed an email exchange where she went out of her way to make it difficult for this student to get help (in spite of his patience and resilience) and others backed him up with similar encounters with the same staff member.

Anyway, there's an investigation now so we'll know soon enough if she has anything to add that could excuse such behaviour.

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