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Normalizing transactional relationships. A Feminist Economist Defends Alimony.

NeoNotNeo

November 24, 2022
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https://www.datalounge.com/thread/15705709-in-defense-of-alimony-from-a-feminist-economist
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Title Normalizing transactional relationships. A Feminist Economist Defends Alimony.
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NeoNotNeo

Upvotes 64
Comments 21
Date November 24, 2022 2:47 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
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[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Men that don't realize that marriage is very much a transaction, that's why they have you sign a contract with the government, are going in blind and liable to be screwed in the end.

That's why I married two college degree'd women with good jobs who both marriage retired within three years of marriage. From a business perspective for men, as this article is for women, the longer you stay married the worse your alimony payments will be. That means if you see the writing on the wall better to divorce early in a marriage than later. My first marriage lasted 6 years but I could tell my second one was unhappy within 4 years.

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

It’s the only financial contract you sign without clauses. And that has a legacy of having men thrown in jail. It’s out of Dickens.

[+]velvetalocasia -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Your contract clauses are either the law or a prenup.

[–]Punder_man 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Not really, considering the courts can claim the prenup was / is unfair and dismiss it out of hand.

A prenup is only worth the cost of the paper its written on and the lawyer who penned it.

[+]velvetalocasia -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

When get prenups thrown out? Tell us when.

[–]Glenda-of-Plan9 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Well 2 concerns I see of people in this sub:

"Unfair" terms

It can be thrown out if deemed "unfair", which is vague and 100% up to interpretation by the judge.... "Oh, you owned this house before you married? Well because she's a single mom with a kid by another man, it's unfair that she didn't get the house. So I'm throwing out this prenup"

And the kicker:

Unconscionable Terms

A prenuptial agreement can be ruled unconscionable and invalidated if its terms clearly favor one party, or are so unfair that one party would face severe financial hardship, while the other prospered.

EG: Your prenuptial is voided because the woman you married was in college before marriage, but dropped out to be a stay at home mom to a wealthy business man, all by her own desire, and therefore a judge decides to invalidate the whole prenup, based on one agreement of no alimony.

All of these listed, of course, can go both ways. Prenuptials don't really hold weight if the judge has biases, or other things end up at play... They are a terribly weak legal document.

There's also the fact that, a prenuptial can't prevent a guy from getting baby trapped, which makes them even more useless for a man.

[+]velvetalocasia 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I would like to read the verdicts that invalidate prenups for being „unfair“. Is that term used by judges?

That a layman doesn’t know a juridical definition, doesn’t mean that there is none.

And you think a woman sacrificing her own career to provide services at home, should not be compensated?

[–]Glenda-of-Plan9 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that is the legal term. "Unfair Terms" and it is open ended and up for interpretation by the judge.

That is the term to use of you go looking for cases of prenuptials getting thrown out for said reason. I'm personally not going to go digging through Court paperwork to find cases of it being used that way, because there are more than enough legal help websites outlying it as a reason, for me to have little faith a prenup can be sound, and I would not really know where too look for public divorce cases....

And yes, it would be my sole decision to leave school to be a stay at home mom, as a woman, period end of story. If I were to agree alimony was off the table by signing the prenup, I should be held be held to that agreement, or not agree to it.

[+]velvetalocasia 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

„I will personally not go digging“ …. in other words, you like everyone else on here perpetuate the myth of the „unfair“ prenup having been thrown out, while never ever actually reading a verdict that says so.

[–]Glenda-of-Plan9 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why dig?

Just the fact that the wording is there, makes it not worth even worth the risk of getting married.

Doesn't matter if its been used or not, if its written into law....

[–]velvetalocasia1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If the wording was there….which I doubt and dude ever throwing that myth around, could actually come up with a verdict with this wording.

[–]AndrewLevin 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Very much worth reading how these psychos think. "I took time off from work to earn a degree and improve my future earnings while my husband supported me financially, and hence it is only fair that my husband should be legally required to continue supporting me until I finish my Dissertation and earn more than him."

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I married in professional school in the 1980's my ex first wife told me in her opinion she owned half my future earnings for life. I very much feared that she was right. No fault marriage was new and life long alimony was common.

When we actually divorced I had my attorney show me the law. It said that if someone is in professional school and the earning party is paying tuition, on divorce you owe back the amount of tuition you paid.

My ex wouldn't even work so I took student loans to support her. That was back when student loans were 12% compounding even while in school.

[–]Aimless-Nomad 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Transaction implies the woman actually gives something in return. This is just a bs article justifying domestic parasitism.

[–]parahacker 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well now, that was one spicy comment section spanning half a decade, wasn't it?

[–]ERiC_693 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The idea of a man getting married is a bizarre mindfuck to me. There are ways you can get better right in custody but that should exist regardless if the father is married or not which is what MRAs need to fight for. But i just dont get it. Your wife can wrap her tenticles around something even if you worked a lifetime to build it.

Remember, Theres no feminists in divorce courts....

[–]Izalias 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

When folks ask "why are folks misogynistic" and you answer financial parasitsm.

Makes folks real red faced angry... and then these examples keep popping up.

Look, not every mosquito choses to suck blood, some drink nectar... but when you see a thing with a proboscis sitting on your wall and it looks like a mosquito, nobody sits there and says: "maybe it is in here looking for some nectar".

Let's get real here, when the previous two girls I shagged, both grabbed the condom, whilst my cock was still in it, right after climax, that's a BIG FUCKING NOPE FROM ME.

...and that makes me look at the rest with a BIG FUCKING SIDE EYE.

And then I read HORROR STORIES of financial parasitism an it makes me think, BULLET DODGED!

Is that women's fault in general... of course not... but then again... sOmE mOsQuItOeS dRiNk NeCtAr RiGhT?

It's a real problem, because is it s proportion of women that are the ones doing this, and it is women as a class that get branded as untouchable when this happens. The real question is: What is the proportion of women that do this... because we know it isn't a small amount, and god help us all if it reaches even 1%.

As a guy who has had two near misses and got lucky several times... I don't blame women for this... but then again, when I wake up with a welt on my leg and it looks like a mosquito bite, those nectar drinkers become equally flat when I see them.

We have a phrase for this: Caught in the crossfire... and that's what is happening here. and it is only making things worse.

[–]NITAREEDDESIGNS -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Prenups

[–]welcometothejl 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They don't really have the power a lot of people think they have.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now there's a non sequitur..."feminist economist".

[–]Drakin5 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For a strong, independent feminist like her, it's real unsettling that she's entitled more money from her ex-husband just to finish her thesis. Then gets a sharp turn to Reality University when she can't sustain the lifestyle without her living ATM.

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