Not so Universal Basic Income proposed in Australia by huffpo

NerdyWeightLifter · 2017-02-25T10:09:15+00:00

Seems like she wants to shift from mothers and father's striving to pay to raise children as a family, to mostly all men striving to pay for ALL women to raise THEIR children without men.

I suspect there might be a slight issue of motivation on the men's side of this deal.

Akesgeroth · 2017-02-25T12:33:28+00:00

Universal Basic Income: A guide:

Are you male? No? Eligible! Yes? Go to next question.

Are you white? No? Eligible! Yes? Go to next question.

Do you belong to a protected class (homosexuals, muslims, disabled, immigrants, etc)? Yes? Eligible! No? You fucking privileged white male, go pay for your sins by being a slave!

hoikarnage · 2017-02-25T15:28:06+00:00

Imo Women already get universal Basic Income.

As a disabled male who has spent a lot of time in various offices trying to get assistance, I get to watch as young healthy women walk out with free rent, food stamps, a check for around $900 per month, free transportation, and even free education if they choose to take classes. For every kid they have the ammount they get in food stamps is doubled. As a make I am lucky to get food stamps, and they have tried to deny me those several times as well. Never once seen a female walk out of there with nothing.

aokusman · 2017-02-25T13:06:48+00:00

Universal basic income is an economic program. It can't be written by a feminist.

thrway_1000 · 2017-02-25T10:25:11+00:00

http://archive.is/E0xsk

Ted8367 · 2017-02-25T11:50:23+00:00

She's got it half right. She identifies the real problem

My view is we need to make the socio-economic impact of becoming a mother and of mothering work explicit.

... we can no longer conflate the categories of mother and woman given delayed and declining fertility, and the increasing numbers of childless women.

and then, following the ingrained habits of centuries, ignores half the picture:

While a full-time, well-paid job over a lifetime is the route to economic security, notwithstanding the rhetoric of gender equality, very few women have ever had such jobs.

In my grandparents' time, very few mothers had "jobs" in the sense she's using it. However, they and their children were still supported - by the efforts of their husband. So her statement doesn't stand up to even a cursory examination. If you are going to do an economic analysis using dollar amounts, then you need to account for the contribution of the husband, and also for the in-household work of the wife. Does she do this?

... women are earning less on average compared to men than they were 20 years ago. However, this figure is calculated without including overtime and bonuses, which substantially increase men's wages, or part-time, which substantially decreases women's wages.

Nope. What a pity, because this is a real problem that needs to be addressed. Instead of that, it's the usual feminist crap.

richardnorth · 2017-02-25T23:11:57+00:00

TL DR: Women should just get money from men in exchange for nothing.

Tmomp · 2017-02-25T18:24:02+00:00

Step one: ignore that fathers and their children love each other and want to be parts of each other's lives.

The rest of the proposal flows from there.

mgtowCHITTY · 2017-02-25T19:14:32+00:00

For women as mothers, however, the UBI opens up the possibility of a hitherto unseen equality that includes freedom from dependence on a male wage.

Here in the states, Women or mothers are already at a point where they "aren't dependent on male wages." This "freedom" comes in the form of welfare, state housing , food stamps and other forms of government assistance. What they fail to acknowledge is that this money comes from taxes, which is mostly funded by male wages.

Many women have turned single motherhood into a career, where they can earn enough money from the government to provide for themselves.

As a childfree single male, I often wonder exactly how much of my taxes go towards programs that actually benefit me.

double-happiness · 2017-02-25T23:05:07+00:00

access to a husband -- is essential for mothers to avoid poverty [...] Single mothers and their children make up the bulk of those under the poverty line in the western world. In Australia, of all family groups, single parents constitute the largest single group of those living in poverty (proportionally).

Marriage is no longer the safety net (or gilded cage) it once was, with just over 30 percent of marriages ending in divorce in Australia and predicted to rise to 45 percent in the coming decades.

And who is initiating most of these divorces? Women are.

I am not suggesting that access to a husband is a right; I am suggesting that the liberal dissolution of the institution of marriage has not been followed with any viable economic alternatives.

How exactly have liberals dissolved marriage? If women are having children outside of marriage, and divorcing their children's fathers, I'd say they were the ones who have dissolved marriage, mostly. At least as far as raising children within wedlock goes.

contractor808 · 2017-02-25T18:23:42+00:00

For women as mothers, however, the UBI opens up the possibility of a hitherto unseen equality that includes freedom from dependence on a male wage.

And who pays all the taxes that would fund UBI? The moms at home getting the benefits?

MagicTampon · 2017-02-26T01:14:41+00:00

Well, if people are no longer working and robots are doing most everything, then population shrinkage is exactly what's needed.

In that case, why pay women to have children? Just to encourage women to destroy the planet? Of course not -- make women pay to have children instead.

If automation and unemployment are rampant, the last thing anyone needs is another hole to feed.

Gosh how dumb are feminists? Stone age people weren't so stupid; this is why they used to drown female infants in lakes, ponds and rivers.

richardnorth · 2017-02-26T05:12:04+00:00

This initiative is abuse of working men. Women aren't entitled to child support from men they don't know yet this is exactly what is being asked for. The writer wants women to be able to fuck Chad then wield the government against working men whom they don't know in order to steal their money via taxation to pay for Chad's kid. This is abuse.

Lethn · 2017-02-25T12:36:06+00:00

So not only are these lunatics pushing for one for a stupid economics idea that won't work they're trying to discriminate against people when doing it.

omegaphallic · 2017-02-25T16:51:19+00:00

There are lot of good reasons for BIG, shame she had to derail that in favour of gender warfare, now instead of the real merits of BIG, it's going to be about her gynocentrism.

smthhappy · 2017-02-25T17:55:08+00:00

But what if i identify as a female do i qualify ?

Revorob · 2017-03-01T09:25:26+00:00

"Single mothers and their children make up the bulk of those under the poverty line in the western world."

There's the fucking problem right there. Single moms are a bad deal all around so why are women allowed to be single moms? If society had any sense of duty to children, any children born to single moms whould be put up for adoption as soon as they came into the world. Why the fuck women expect society (read: men) to pay for their irresponsible choices is beyond me.

"Women should not need access to a husband to avoid poverty. "

I hate to brake it to the Y-chromosome challenged but not ending up in poverty is a privilege not a right. If - as a woman - you can't make your own way in the world, get married and stay married. It is not my job to pay taxes to keep women out of poverty and more than it is to keep men out of poverty. Why do women think they deserve a special deal?

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Title	Not so Universal Basic Income proposed in Australia by huffpo
Author	NerdyWeightLifter
Upvotes	38
Comments	39
Date	February 25, 2017 10:00 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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