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[Progress] Josh Levs sued Time Warner and WON!!! (Men now get paid paternity leave at CNN.)

BlackPurity

March 6, 2015

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https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/meet-the-man-who-sued-his-boss-to-spend-more-time-112737108717.html

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Title	[Progress] Josh Levs sued Time Warner and WON!!! (Men now get paid paternity leave at CNN.)
Author	BlackPurity
Upvotes	341
Comments	50
Date	March 6, 2015 12:50 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2y34ag/progress_josh_levs_sued_time_warner_and_won_men/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/progress-josh-levs-sued-time-warner-and-won-men.986626 https://theredarchive.com/post/986626

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[–]DukeMaximum 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Humankeg-2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You should reread what you wrote in your post that I quoted. You even stated the obvious in equality, and told me I was a whiner and cry baby about wanting it to be 100% equal. that is the exact same logic that feminists use, and I didn't change the context of your post at all when I quoted you this Last time. you just need to fuck with your inequality and hate speech against non parents.

Certainly no vacation.

it doesn't matter. The people chose to have a child, and they are missing work. I guarantee that raising a child does not involve rhe undivided attention that work requires every single day. And even during the times when you do need to give your attention to the child you can possibly be sitting down on the couch and rocking them on your lap while watching TV. tough cookies for the people that want to be parents, it's their choice. Use your vacation time or unpaid leave.

hell I could choose to be a pro snowboarder, ensuring incredibly hard to do it, and if I get hurt doing it, my employers don't owe me anything other than my vacation or sick hours if I so choose to use those while I'm away from work due to an injury I sustained in something I chose to do after hours.

[–]ulthrant823 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

God, I must be arguing with a 12 year old. Thank you for choosing not to have kids. This will be your greatest contribution to society. Raising a newborn is a 24 hour a day job. That's 3 TIMES more involved than a single day of work, to help you with the math. You are so unbelievably ignorant about this that I'm blown away that you even feel entitled to add your opinion. You honestly think newborns just chill out all day?? Why not just leave them in the crib with a bunch of snacks and head to work then?? Jesus..

Paternity leave IS unpaid, unless given as an added benefit by an employer along with sick leave, which are also unpaid. What you are saying is that you deserve EXTRA vacation time because you don't want kids, which is absurd. You want 100% fairness, with anyone else be damned, that makes your opinion on par with 3rd wave feminism. It's all about you.

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[–]eletheros-3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The only person who's apparently fine with discrimination based on making babies is you, since that's the logic used to give men less paternal leave than women.

Not all people not having children are men. Certainly not all the people not having children are men who would receive parental leave because their partner did. How did this ever escape your attention?

I for one, am perfectly fine with an employer voluntarily and through their own recognizance discriminating on gender or having children. When the State forces an employer to provide leave, then it should be provided to all - including the childless. When the State makes no such demand, then the employer should be able to tweak their benefits package as they see fit.

Do you think child labor and anti-monopoly laws are privileged government interference as well?

Yes.

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I don't think you understand how FMLA works in the United States. Here's a quick rundown:

The Family and Medical Leave Act was put into law to help individuals with family and medical problems take leave for necessary events without fear of losing their job for doing so. Whether it's helping a sick spouse, child, or parent, for long periods.
It has to be given after the first full year of employment.
The company is not required to pay the individuals.

You also don't seem to understand this:

Birth is a major medical procedure, one that can leave a mother incapacitated for days to weeks.
A father may be needed to assist with the mother, the child, and the household chores. Among other things.
Your time frames are ridiculously exaggerated. Individuals are allowed 12 weeks of off time a year. Not only that, women don't, and can't, pop out a new baby every nine months. The human body won't allow it.
Most employers require you to use personal time and short-term disability leave. Father's don't have the option with the short-term, so their time with their family is reduced greatly.

Maternal, and by extension Paternal, Leave are not "vacations". They are not freely given out paid time-off for someone who just popped out a kid. It's an unpaid time meant to assist with medical procedures of family members. If you have a sick immediate family member, guess what, you qualify to take up to 12 weeks off from work without repercussions! Sometimes, if you work for a kick-ass company, guess what!? They'll be nice enough to pay you during that time. Hence why it's called a fucking BENEFIT.

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