Put on your thinking caps - What is your problem with advocating for men's rights?

TomBayes · 2012-02-02T00:20:53+00:00

I have no problem advocating men's rights. I do have a LOT of trepidations about organizations whose sole focus is doing so. I know someone's got to do it, but when I see how out of control some feminists groups have gotten, it worries me that someday MR will have the same issue. Basically, feminists have set a bad precedent. And while I think Warren Ferrell is fantastic, some other vocal members of MRM make me nervous. One minute they'll say something I agree with, then they'll start justifying their position and it'll be something misogynistic that isn't really a justification at all, just bigotry.

CedMon · 2012-02-01T20:50:56+00:00

The problem is misogynistic people giving mens rights a bad name, especially on reddit. Feminism also suffers too, partly because of it's unfortunate misnomer of a name

Edit: Thanks to the people who posted valid points in repsonse, not just unconstructive verbal abuse. I'm not saying that the MRM is misogynistic, just that some people in the community are, which makes us look bad. PS. I'm not a feminist if you thought that? I'm a gender egalitarian (ie. a MRA and WRA)

2012-02-05T11:56:24+00:00

Because I am frightened that I will be mistaken for a misogynist and therefore be unable to convince anyone of anything. And sometimes I question whether or not a little 'mutual inequality' isn't good for the system, in the long run. And, of course, on some level, I acknowledge my privilege and feel guilt because of it.

/thread

SilencingNarrative · 2012-02-01T21:12:43+00:00

Why are some people so afraid of having their ideology questioned, and why are alternative viewpoints considered borderline illegal? When did Western governments become secular theocracies? What does our society more resemble, a Democracy or a Police State? Has any of this made you curious? Do you care at all? Can you honestly say you didn’t know this stuff already? And most importantly, why aren’t you mad as hell?

I suspect what this all comes down to is that society is built upon the sacrifice of men, and has been for a long time. Any suggestion that the suffering of men be taken seriously sets off the following alarm bell in the average person's head: if we can't sacrifice men in large numbers as need be without serious resistance, then who will guarantee our safety?

This is a much more powerful alarm bell than the one raised when people were asked to allow women to participate in education and the world of paid work, which was: if women are not wholly devoted to bearing and raising children, then who will take care of the children? And that one was very powerful indeed.

There is not usually any point in getting mad as hell in any visible way, as your anger will be easily dismissed.

There are exceptions to this, though. Some loud and angry men and women have made a real difference.

The Agent Orange effort was awe inspiring in its planning, execution, and aftermath.

aetheralloy · 2012-02-01T22:02:57+00:00

Anyone who does espouse equality for all men is a biggot, by definition.

If you care about your moral character you could not help but advocate for men to have equal rights with women.

Title	Put on your thinking caps - What is your problem with advocating for men's rights?
Author	avoiceformen
Upvotes	9
Comments	38
Date	February 1, 2012 8:25 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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