So, why radical feminism?

shit-zen-giggles · 2023-12-10T02:18:23+00:00

Interesting idea for sure. I'm not entirely convinced.

If you read the 'declaration of sentiments' (the foundational text of organised feminism) which was published in 1848 you can already find a great deal of misandry therein. So, feminist misandry didn't magicly start with the second wave of the 1960s. Rather, it was part of feminism from the very beginning.

WeEatBabies · 2023-12-10T03:29:32+00:00

The answer is far simpler.

Feminists gave themselves power and got addicted to it.

By power I mean : believe all women and false accusation, the Duluth Model, common-law marriage, child support, reserved seats in jobs and university.

ElisaSKy · 2023-12-10T04:04:20+00:00

My theory is much simpler:

They had a theory that men were simply evil and women simply angels.

They were surprisingly effective at blocking any contradictory evidence or even dissenting opinion, that people believed it.

Wouldn't YOU hate men if you thought they were just plain evil? I know I did, and I am one.

So there's only one logical conclusion from their premises, and as long as the premises stand, you can expect that logical conclusion to be reached.

And then the Internet happened. Suddenly, it's much harder to shut every dissenting voice up, and block all the evidence.

Suddenly, when the talking heads talk about 99% of rapists being men, you can check up the definition of rape and see it's gendered. You can ask "why did you gender it" to some bureaucrat, have them flounder an attempt at explaining that "We defined it that way!" "they're the first ones to even study "made to penetrate"" when the question was "why did you separate it from "rape"?/Why did you define it that way?", and post the audio on the Internet (thank you Allison!).

They can still browbeat you, shout louder than you, and go halfway across the world before you even put your shoes on.

BUT

They cannot prevent you from speaking anymore. Which means, you can question their premises, you can make arguments, and you can see how weak their premises really are that it took complete control over the discourse for them to maintain them.

TL;DR: the bogus stats and bogus everything of feminism always added up to the conclusion "men are just plain evil".

"Men are just plain evil" has only a single rational endpoint, which is radical feminism.

The growing numbers of people who took the only information available to them seriously was not a surprise.

That we're able to make any headway despite being outnumbered, outgunned, and outfunded is the strange part, and is nothing short of a small miracle.

KochiraJin · 2023-12-10T04:31:24+00:00

I think the proliferation of modern home appliances is a more likely reason. That allows most of the women in the west the time to go out and work or engage in activism.

63daddy · 2023-12-10T14:01:06+00:00

I think 2 things changed regarding feminism by the late 60s / early 70s.

Most forms if discrimination against women had been addressed. By this time women had equal voting rights, equal rights to own property, equal pay legislation had been enacted, etc. with no more equal rights to be won feminism turned to seeking advantages.
Feminism had the lobbying power and funding to win legislation favoring women.
Feminism gained more influence via women’s studies programs, ms. magazine and other influences.

plainoldusernamehere · 2023-12-10T14:50:36+00:00

This discussion may shed some light on the question of why to a mot of things. Not just feminism.

https://youtu.be/dvgR2MHqucI?si=Z4_djXVw8MS8UTcj

It’s a discussion from James Lindsey talking about how Marxist revolution is essentially baked into the recipe of all “current things”. Just like the media stopped giving a shit about covid the second they had their new boogie man, Putin. Now that the blameless Israel is under duress, the media threw Zelensky into the old toy pile and they gave their new toy to play with. This has even happened to an extent to feminism once people started mutilating their genitals to try to become a different gender. That largely became the new focus. Which is why there is a faction of feminists who speak out against the trans topics as they can accurately see it is harmful to their cause.

Another recommendation I’d have is to watch episode 1191 of the Joe Rogan experience. James Lindsey and another college professor are on the episode explaining how they just made up bullshit and were getting it published as legit academic work. Very interesting and I think it explains a lot of why the world is the way it is.

solemnoak · 2023-12-10T07:59:56+00:00

Masculinists view society as fundamentally a matriarchy in which women dominate and oppress men. Masculinists seek to abolish the matriarchy in order to "liberate everyone from an unjust society by challenging existing social norms and institutions." Get rid of sex-bigoted laws, practices and policies that have been made to persecute men.

MASCULINISM: Is the radical notion that men are people!

Most masculinists are radical masculinists by the literal dictionary definition of radical masculinism: "the belief that society functions as a matriarchy in which women oppress men." Radical masculinists assert that global society functions as a matriarchy in which the class of women are the oppressors of the class of men. They propose that the oppression of men is the most fundamental form of oppression, one that has existed since the inception of humanity.

MASCULINISM: Is the advocacy of men’s rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes!

Modern feminism is merely a convenient ideological front, utilized by all manner of shallow narcissists to impose their personal neuroses upon everyone else. It seems as though the feminists have plenty of their own hang-ups to work through.

I wouldn't even call it narcissism. It's more like a kind of shame and a form of compensating for their own lack of self esteem. They would even like to come off as narcissists, but they themselves don't feel so strong and confident so they have to shove their "beliefs" into other people's faces and bring others (in this case mostly men, but also women who disagree with their extremism) down, so that they'd get an illusion of being on top and having some impact on people. In the end, the worst thing is, these weak individuals are coming together and forming a pretty dangerous political ideology that is taking off ever more rapidly.

I am an avid Masculinist! I am Pro Male! and I am for Male Empowerment!

dr3adlock · 2023-12-10T10:07:11+00:00

divide and rule

Aurelius-chfn09a · 2023-12-10T16:12:54+00:00

Those were revolutionary times. My guess would be that 1960's feminism followed the trajectory of the civil rights movement at the start of the decade. Their radicalism may have been inspired by other militant groups agitating for revolutionary change, including campus Marxists and other radical activists whose aim was the complete overthrowal of existing social norms, along with the demonization of those believed to hold all the power: old, straight white males. This was also only a few years before the establishment of 'Women's Studies' courses as major universities, which were thinly disguised attempts at feminist indoctrination.

RedditIsWokeCentral · 2023-12-10T09:02:19+00:00

Women's ability to vote is the reason.

Women have an empathy gap for men that is why female voters "naturally" shift society further and further to gynocentrism because their inate unconscious bias against men.

To stop feminazism we need to abolish women's sufferage.

Infamous_Jury_938 · 2023-12-10T04:20:02+00:00

Can see how you get there. Why do you think there was a need to stop them in the first place?

Glittering_Car_9282 · 2023-12-10T05:13:25+00:00

For a group called mens rights I find most of the posts are about women. I saw the same thing over in female dating strategy.

-GoldenHandTheJust- · 2023-12-10T03:15:28+00:00

probably the same as other movements at the time, like the civil rights movement and workers rights etc. Both had radical elements during the broader enfranchising movements.

Mountain_Collar_7620 · 2023-12-10T04:58:28+00:00

Nah. WW2- large numbers of mostly white men killing each other for mostly equally arbitrary reasons (but but Eeevil.. ya go watch Middle Eastern news a bit .. most “sides” are pretty equally bad some just have better marketing some like 🥸 have truly autistic “marketing” lets not go there but ultimately people kill each other for money and power regardless of what the HR machine feeds the human hotdogs 🌭doing the actual freezing and dying in whatever silly 🤪 uniform pattern).

Putting a moralistic spin on the whole show “yay Good Disneyland Won” losers all evil. Side effect most of the troglodytes with socially conservative ideas wiped out (Islam aside.. and no let’s not go there metaphorically or literally) . Other side effect - woman worked and screwed around now refuse to go back in the “harem” . Progressive social “yay we alive lets loose all that boring crap and dance/ fukk / abort. Daughters good they soo Emooh-tionally intelligent and loving kinda like our Moms (doh…) plus they never Killed or Invaded anyone , right ?? Right ?!?! (Leaving aside that practically every men ever who conquered anything did that ultimately for some lady wanting glitzier handbags his mom or similar - else gets a feather 🪶, shamed or definitely NOT laid with the lady Mongolians/romans/ cave- people.

No Wars No Disasters free energy smart phones lots a (male made..) goodies for washing drying sewing and breast implants plus not much competition for global hegemony so export of the above slowly to even the darkest most benighted corners plus TokTok and smarphones lets not even start on “anyone can be a hooker while “working” from home onlyfans 😂 (again all invented by … men so I hope the dude who invented the washing machine got the blowjob he hoped for but .. google it.. he didn’t .)

Well … there are now 😂 Do I want any of “those” to win ? Nah. But it just takes sufficient credible threat and the previous orthodoxy becomes heretical and vice Versa -

Witness Covid and “work” from home. Now wait a bit and trump 🤮 (barf) Putler on the loose next to Europe plus DonkeyFlu* (tm)🫏 wipes out 20% and you suddenly get the equivalent of work from home - in gender dynamics.. and no one bats an eyelid because “times have changed” just like a million changes over human history.

*ive trademarked DonkeyFlu (tm) so don’t even go there you’re too late ⏰

denisc9918 · 2023-12-10T04:58:37+00:00

why radical feminism exploded in the 1960s

What if you asked... HOW did feminism explode in the 1960s?

Hubris1998 · 2023-12-10T09:30:59+00:00

Nah this ain't it chief

They think men are evil and they don't care if reality corroborates it or not. They've always been like this since traditionalism is also gynocentric

Throning · 2023-12-10T17:50:23+00:00

Your premise seems a bit weak; saying "it was birth control pills that did it!" doesn't make sense, as there are/were other contraceptive options available, the big obvious one being condoms made of animal intestine used in antiquity, but there's also been century-plus-year-old spermicides used too that wouldn't necessarily be "up to the man" to use. So assuming "birth control allowed them to be promiscuous" is only weak because what was stopping women from using spermicides before birth control pills became popular? 1 more contraceptive is not a convincing premise.

Your conclusion isn't entirely without merit, but that too, I think the more radical feminists had always been trying to do - demonize men - for whatever reasons and ends they had to do it. I think more your premise is more of a "correlation is not causation" thing; or probably more accurately, it ignores a lot of other details & instances of radicalism within feminism.

It sets up an implication that suffragettes committing arson, even crude bombings, were not "radical" or "popular" because birth control pills didn't exist then - which is what makes it a weak premise; and those crimes were, at least within the feminist-driven suffragette movement of the time, popular 'enough'. It wasn't because they did or didn't have birth control pills, this is what makes your premise about the pill weak.

Kisakinomiya_Kotori · 2023-12-11T05:29:04+00:00

Ok, I'm gonna give you my theory, also feminism hasn't done anything for women, it's a fraud.

Feminist ideas maked much more sense back then and were mostly authentic with the actual lifestyles and differences between men and women. There are basically 2 reasons why feminism easily evolved in radical feminism.

1 Rise of Atheistm: people need something to believe and something to belong, this doesn't mean religion were ok or not, simply people changed their god, evolved from religion to feminism, Veganism, BLM, gender, socialism/communism, magic/zodiac/energy. They have the same cult-like behaviors, also have dogmas and can't accept something different. A fun fact, wicca and some other forms of witchery grew exponentially because of feminism.

2 Lesbians: feminism grow and soon there were conferences and groups all around, there weren't radicalism back then (or Mostly, there weren't) but feminist groups became lesbian spaces, as every lesbian space is born, Butch lesbian entered to ruin everything, since lesbian spaces like bars, discos and many more, close fast (there's a reason for that and butch lesbians have a lot of blame of that) feminism was the men Free space, the one won't close, and the one where they can eat confused straight pooxie, that's why, "the perfect feminist is lesbian" speech was born, and that's also the reason why radical feminists are TERFs when feminism always supported gender agenda, those lesbians enjoyed watching men loosing dignity transitioning, but travestite men invading their lesbian spaces, was too much and that's when feminism entered in crisis

Title	So, why radical feminism?
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