DEI Dying is Great for Men

Technical_Ad_6594 · 2025-02-23T22:22:48+00:00

I work in higher education. I'll believe DEI is gone when I actually see it. I feel they'll go even further with it now, just on the hush-hush.

ArgzeroFS · 2025-02-23T22:40:54+00:00

It's awful for men with disabilities and people with significant life impacting disabilities make up over a quarter of Americans. To be fair though, DEI has historically neglected disabilities too though.

usernametakenbs · 2025-02-23T23:11:57+00:00

Whats going on right now has very little to do with DEI, and is not deserving of praise.

iChavDec · 2025-02-24T04:59:11+00:00

In the UK, we call it EDI.

I think it can be a good and a bad thing.

As a gay male, I would expect to have the same protections as a straight male would in the workplace. That goes for any minority group.

However, I’ve heard of people use EDI as an excuse to hire really crappy people. For example: an NHS worker had previously came forward saying she had witnessed well qualified doctors and nurses being turned away by the Head of Department because they wanted “people to match her face” as this NHS worker put it. Which imo, is just plain wrong and also racist af. She had also made the allegations many immigrants do hold fake diplomas as well, soo 😒

It has its advantages and disadvantages. It depends on how well it’s been implemented and the intended use by employers if they abuse the system or not. But currently with the way things are going in the UK, it would seem EDI would only benefit immigrants, especially Muslims whilst pushing White British people aside, regardless of sex, sexuality or disability you have. Dark times looming ahead, especially with this atrocious backstabbing govt who have no qualms handing over our beloved nation to Islam.

guardian416 · 2025-02-24T01:19:58+00:00

It’s just racist policy and if you don’t understand that, I don’t know what to tell you.

lu5ty · 2025-02-23T23:27:18+00:00

DEI isnt going anywhere unless there are changes in the laws. Like everything else about trump its just performative to whip up his base

szopongebob · 2025-02-23T23:59:12+00:00

Why do colleges even have affirmative action still? Isn’t the ratio now 60:40 in favor of females?

Stonp · 2025-02-23T23:15:41+00:00

The biggest beneficiary of DEI is white women. DEI being revoked is an excellent result for men.

naedwards22 · 2025-02-23T22:26:08+00:00

Okay but right now men are being directly affected by these DEI programs ending. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the point of this subreddit, I thought it was for the empowerment of males?

EatM3L053R · 2025-02-24T05:35:15+00:00

Can I get links to the open positions in Virginia plz?

KochiraJin · 2025-02-24T00:34:00+00:00

DEI and Affirmative Action are the same thing, an attempt to rectify the discrimination of the past with more discrimination. It's the same bad idea repeated. The reason they have to rebrand periodically is discrimination isn't all that popular in the US.

LunaCarson99 · 2025-02-23T23:13:33+00:00

Wrong. DEI ‘dying’ is not good for

BIPOC men
Disabled men
Neurodiverse men
Gay, bisexual & trans men

But if you didn’t mean them…sure.

ScienceAteMyKid · 2025-02-24T09:08:22+00:00

While some people think DEI means “hiring a less qualified person because they are non-white or female,” I’ve more often found that it means “hiring the more qualified person instead of the less qualified white male.”

Let the downvotes come as they may, but this has been my overwhelming experience in 28 years of facility management.

ANotSoSeriousGamer · 2025-02-24T01:18:39+00:00

DEI programs dying is great for the same reason that affirmative action programs dying was great.

Combating discrimination with more discrimination does not resolve the issue. It does the exact opposite with the added bonus of creating additional points of hostility between groups of people.

elebrin · 2025-02-23T23:38:56+00:00

I work in the corporate world, and I don't see DEI as a bad thing.

As someone who spent two years during the height of the DEI craze interviewing and making hiring decisions, not once did we make decisions based on protected classes. Here were the changes to the overall hiring practices:

The community outreach teams spent more time at schools in black neighborhoods, encouraging the kids (high school seniors and college students) to take part in our coding bootcamps, were is a thinly-veiled extended interview process for an internship. As a result, the bootcamp attendance went up by about 20%, we had a better pool of applicants to pull from, and we got in more and better interns.
We recruited more heavily from a college that specifically serves black students, and we recruited heavily among alternate learning schedule students: older, second career people, which included a lot more women. We started recruiting vets who had recently left the service through a job placement program that they have. We also started posting listings in Spanish.
We had a workshop that I attended on how to interview better, and we standardized our interviewing practices for the position we were specifically hiring for.
Once people were hired, we had a few internal "support groups" (not sure what else to call it really) for new hires, people who had moved to the area, women, new mothers/fathers, that sort of thing. These groups would have a leadership rep present, and would sit and chat about the difficulties they face at work. Those things, if they were repeated enough, would filter up and make some waves. There were some policy changes directly as a result of this. While participation was not mandatory, we were generally encouraged to join a group or two. I myself was a discussion leader for the remote workers group around the time that Covid hit, and they relied on our lessons learned to make the transition to remote work go smoothly.

I realize that's not how DEI is done everywhere, but after talking with my wife, siblings, cousins, and inlaws it seems that my experiences are not really out of the ordinary. I personally don't have a problem with any of these policies, and I think they can do some good. Remember, some of the affected groups are veterans (mostly men), fathers, men who speak different languages as a first language, men who received a nonstandard education, and so on. And they weren't specifically targeted for hiring, just for outreach for recruiting and then employee retention.

People don't just learn IT stuff in a standard college setting. There are historically black colleges, there are high school vocational training centers, there are bootcamps hosted by other companies and universities, there are people who learned in another country and are primarily looking for a job through an agency that caters to green card holders or H1B visas... to stop looking in those places during hiring would be a mistake.

I suspect a lot of companies will continue doing the same things under a different name.

ipodpron · 2025-02-24T00:57:10+00:00

Guam here.

As a super minority Pacific Islander native, getting rid of DEI has benefited us.

We are a proud island people and The last thing we want is to be hired because of our skin color or race.

Mysterious-Citron875 · 2025-02-23T23:27:28+00:00

I know almost nothing about DEI and AA, so I could always be wrong. But the people who removed AA and claim to oppose DEI are conservatives, so my gut feeling strongly suggests that the death of DEI and AA will only negatively impact disabled men, while women will keep the extra privileges they gained from DEI and AA, even after their removal.

hennessyisrael · 2025-02-24T00:01:34+00:00

“For Men”, you meant “White Men” i suppose?

DrJ0911 · 2025-02-23T22:50:35+00:00

Well for w European descendants 😂

boredPampers · 2025-02-24T13:51:18+00:00

I too love when the rich pit the working class against each other.

This ain’t about DEI, this is about them taking more of the pie for themselves with the illusion that some how they are giving more back to the people.

The one thing I am enjoying about this moment is that more people are waking up to realize this was never about race or sex or religion it’s all about Rich vs Poor. The haves versus the have nots

Jefflenious · 2025-02-24T00:14:59+00:00

What are some examples of "DEI" programs that you're glad are gone?

MrRetrdO · 2025-02-24T00:12:29+00:00

The only way it can be stopped, and it'd be quite difficult to pull off, is to get rid of identifying characteristics on resumes/applications, anything that can identify you other than your job skills.

ColdProfessional111 · 2025-02-23T23:35:07+00:00

You have to be deluded to think this way. I’m sorry you don’t want everyone to have opportunity and inclusion.

TKD1989 · 2025-02-23T23:59:48+00:00

I had two abusive coworkers who were DEI hires. When Trump was inaugurated, I noticed that they had left the same exact week. The DEI (black) woman hire was always abusive, rude, aggressive, and condescending to me for the most part. She also shouted at me and treated me like a slave. Her aggressive behavior also gave me a concussion when she slammed the compactor door in my direction.

The DEI (gay) Italian American man hire was also very rude, overly critical, passive-aggressive, and projected a lot of his issues onto me and constantly made work a living hell by purposefully being careless to provoke me and him aggravating me enough to make me lose my temper.

panergicagony · 2025-02-23T22:30:12+00:00

So, are you gonna present any facts to back this up, or...?

63daddy · 2025-02-24T00:06:15+00:00

Men at the college I work at have been removed from their positions and replaced with less experienced women due to DEI initiatives so I’d love to see DEI and other forms of discrimintory politics come to an end.

I think however that many will just rebrand DEI and continue the discrimination under another label.

Akemi_Tachibana · 2025-02-23T23:47:41+00:00

DEI is gone for 4 years before it comes back, if or when a Democrat is elected President again.

Jnoroega17 · 2025-02-24T03:22:54+00:00

Can somebody explain to me why DEI is bad?

Honorablemention69 · 2025-02-24T04:45:54+00:00

DEI dying is great for everyone! I grew up in San Francisco and the big out cry from that community was gay marriage. I fully support the government not telling you who to marry. Fast forward to the 2020s and these people turned into a listen to me or else cult.

Alkatane · 2025-02-24T06:40:21+00:00

Hell yeah, fuck DEI

reddit_is_trash_2023 · 2025-02-24T07:26:20+00:00

DEI is garbage, good riddance

Sadist_666_Chicago · 2025-02-24T04:39:23+00:00

DEI isn't dying. and it dying isn't great for men. DEI will be resurrected in some other form. DEI is just a reincarnation of affirmative action, DEI in response to the George Floyd murder and subsequent BLM protests, affirmative action waning because of the Supreme Court decision.

in my experience in the workplace, DEI on balance did not harm men. there were monthly seminars on the topic that most people did not attend and that I don't think really changed people's minds. maybe a few white people in the middle became more open-minded about blacks. what I did see were a few women and racial minorities hired who previously maybe would not have been, and almost all of them have been successful in their positions. anyway, the point of DEI is simply respect for others who are different. and hiring and promoting QUALIFIED people who otherwise would have been overlooked. Simply filling quotas or slots with women and minorities is a lazy implementation of DEI and of course creates all kinds of bad consequences.

Trump's crusade against DEI, like a lot of his maneuvers, is performative and ultimately part of the long con. as white men are high-fiving each other thinking they've somehow won something with the demise of DEI, the big picture is that Trump will be changing the tax code again to transfer hundreds of billions of dollars from low-income white men and middle-income white men to men in the top 1% of the income distribution. as with any con, railing against DEI is the noisy distraction to keep you occupied while you are being robbed.

jacare_o · 2025-02-24T01:16:36+00:00

HOORAY!

DEI is there to give unfair advantages, over imaginary obstacles, to certain races and genders.

DEI does nothing to help people with actual disabilities make a dignified living. Americans with Disabilities act does that.

Overfed_Venison · 2025-02-24T05:34:40+00:00

Like, the ultimate issue with the cutting is not DEI itself. It's that the way things are being slashed and burned under a vague assertion of DEI, to the point of places being attacked if they don't do this, is that it effects a lot of stuff which is not that
For example, there have been issues in the sciences as anything with a vaguely 'progressive' inclination are being under threat

Likewise, there are also places in which DEI is important. The most highly-seen places where DEI is arguably a major issue, such as the arts, where it can harm expression and trample over small voices, are the minority of these situations.

DEI is certainly something we should criticize, but the methodology here is going to cause a lot of issues from important institutions being weakened, important talent being thrown out, and even outright censorship. It's burning down a forest to kill a wolf.

ThePiachu · 2025-02-24T00:08:44+00:00

Might be good for some white men, not good for black men, hispanic men or other minority men that might've been hired for their skill but are fired due to their perceived DEI status...

B00TYMASTER · 2025-02-24T00:38:30+00:00

can’t tell if this is /s or not lol… doesn’t really seem like something that should be cheered

the_gay_bogan_wanabe · 2025-02-24T06:22:20+00:00

May I disagree?! Gay men, men of clour, men with different abilities all benefit from DEI

Perspective-Natural · 2025-02-23T23:50:13+00:00

It's funny how many of you think DEI is like a list with checkboxes. (Did we get enough Black people and women?). Dei only expands the pool, and the only people Dei affects are average, below-average people and people who don't like to put in the work.

PS3LOVE · 2025-02-24T10:06:33+00:00

AA is a form of DEI

ekurisona · 2025-02-24T11:37:31+00:00

it doesnt die, it just morphs

Eranon1 · 2025-02-24T16:04:07+00:00

I mean veterans were one of the populations who got the most out of DEI, so I dunno how that helps men. Additionally what about all the non-white men? Your literally only looking at white guys here

peachy123_jp · 2025-02-24T17:02:37+00:00

DEI going is not great for men. It hurts the whole of society, men included. It’s not like it’s solely to help women. It helps LGBTQ men, coloured men, immigrant men and so many more. Stop being silly.

xena_lawless · 2025-02-24T17:07:52+00:00

It's not good for competent people, who would rather work with other competent people of any race or gender rather than whatever white men happen to be available.

See the recent firing of the Joint Chiefs in favor of an under qualified Trump sycophant.

And the hiring of a psycho underqualified Trump sycophant as the FBI Deputy Director.

This is the opposite of meritocracy, it's just (barely) dressed up white, male supremacy.

Disgusting.

AmuseDeath · 2025-02-24T17:10:31+00:00

DEI doesn't actually deal with men's issues in the sense that society is inherently gynocentric. It just makes pro-DEI people begrudgingly not have DEI policies. And it's definitely not a victory over the mountains of bullshit Trump is creating in this country, voted in by poorly uneducated people who voted against their own interests by raising taxes on the poor, lowering taxes on the wealthy and fucking over Ukraine whose men are dying daily. Trump presidency is a sham all around and it's setting America backwards thanks to the millions of uneducated voters who are fanatically religious, anti-science, economically illiterate and are susceptible to conmen thanks to a lack of critical thinking skills. Incredibly dumb for the millions of poor people to vote for a party that is cutting the very benefits they rely on just because they want to "stick it to the DEI". I don't care for DEI personally, but I'd rather it be something I ignore than have an administration that fucks over the average person and supports the wealthy, powerful and corrupt. Not a win at all.

daddyneckbeard · 2025-02-24T19:00:10+00:00

this just occurred to you?

jadedlonewolf89 · 2025-02-23T23:29:37+00:00

DEI is considered benevolent racism/sexism. Love how they threw the benevolent bit in there to justify it, when by it’s just textbook racism/sexism.

hau2906 · 2025-02-24T00:42:24+00:00

White Men*

Is0prene · 2025-02-23T22:58:46+00:00

It’s great for everyone. Hiring should be based solely on your qualifications, that’s it. You should not have to fill out race or gender on any application and should be hired based on skills alone. What are we teaching people who get jobs that didn’t actually earn them? Entitlement. That isn’t helping them. It was creating a society of little entitled brats.

bifewova234 · 2025-02-23T22:51:43+00:00

I Uber driver in San Francisco. I hear the DEI guys talkin on the phone in the car saying things like they wouldn’t want to fire woman than hire man because “it sends the wrong message”. They refrain from adverse employment action against woman and refrain from positive employment action for man because of gender to keep up appearances. It is illegal.

XYBiohacker · 2025-02-23T23:27:27+00:00

I'm someone who has always been against any sort of affirmative action or DEI for that matter and have always believed in merit and that we should help create opportunities for people and not outcomes. (Edit: What I meant by this is that we should give certain group opportunities by giving them scholarships and focusing on initiatives that will them prepare for and actually earn these positions rather than handing them (the positions/outcomes) to them over people who are more capable or meritorius.)

So while I'm happy that these initiatives are going away, my only worry is that selective colleges will still try to keep their covert affirmative action for women, as I believe is quite evident in the case of MIT (inspite of it having "ended" its affirmative action), even if they do end it on the basis of people's races.

LiquidDreamtime · 2025-02-23T23:52:04+00:00

This stupid hateful initiative hurts transmen, men with disabilities, gay men, black men, indigenous men, immigrant men, and poor men.

When you say this is a win for “men”, you’re saying black / trans / gay / Muslim / poor / etc men are not REAL men. I wholeheartedly disagree.

The end of DEI is regressive and sets our society back.

I’m a straight white man working at NASA and we’ve had many great programs and groups unjustly shut down. I’ve had my job threatened by a South African and I’m dealing with a lot of stress that’s distracting me from our mission. Trump is an awful President and unless you’re a white man making over $400k / yr, he won’t do anything to make your life better and will actively make the lives worse for nearly all of us.

ld2gj · 2025-02-23T23:43:38+00:00

No, DEI was a good thing. It promoted the hiring of Veterans (mostly male), it promoted hiring people with disabilities (male included), it promoted hiring of LGB-T people (once again, males) and so many other things.

michaelpaoli · 2025-02-24T09:34:56+00:00

DEI Dying is Great for Men

No, it's not, and you probably don't understand what DEI is.

So, let's just say for sake of illustration/argument that you're a caucasian male native born US citizen, somewhere between young adult and middle age or so. And let's just theoretically say DEI is entirely crushed. What do you then get to look forward to? How 'bout many of these possibilities:

Want to meet that woman of your dreams, and have the best chances at that? Yeah, the odds of that happening will be way down when you're at college (one of your best opportunities), likewise at work (also one of the best opportunities to meet/connect). But hey, you can sit around and have a circle jerk with a bunch 'o similar like minded folks, if that's your thing.

You get bit older ... yeah, all the stuff that may work to recruit/attract you - even with your superior years of experience and knowledge ... yeah, that's all gone - it'll be harder for you to get a job.

Oh, accident or whatever - you got disabled ... or are disabled ... maybe need a cane, or a wheelchair, or bit of accommodations for your PTSD ... whatever, yeah, all those outreach efforts and such that are more likely to catch/find you, get job opportunity out to you and get you hired ... yeah, all gone, your chances of landing that (good) job are significantly down.

Oh, your wages will be down, your company where you're employed, yeah, won't be so great, not so profitable, you'll end up with less compensation, more frequent job changes, less job security. Why? Lots of group think. No pursuing diversity at all in hiring, so ... lots of very monolithic group think - meanwhile, competitors - like in other countries, they're now eating your lunch - they've got much more diverse workforce, well combine all kinds of good useful interesting ideas, work to find and sort out and implement the best ... but where you are ... yeah, not so much.

Oh, yeah, college, ... you didn't get in. Your parents don't have much money, or the K-12 schools you went so were a fair bit below national average - even though you did relatively well compared to your peers in K-12 - but that still puts you significantly closer only to national average. Yeah, that'd be diversity to include some of those comparatively underprivileged kids in college admissions - yeah, can't have that - you don't measure up - through no fault of your own - tough luck, no college for you bud, or you can just go to bottom of the barrel community/jr college in that poor county you grew up in, 'cause that's all you can afford.

Oh, you're a veteran. Great! Uhm, yeah, not really, you're screwed. All those programs to try and target/attract veterans for hiring ... yeah, gone, so yeah, your chances of landing that good/great job significantly reduced.

Oh, yeah, DEI totally killed, and for years/decades ... yeah, that'll significantly negatively impact the economy overall, so yeah, you also just reduced your standard of living and and general life satisfaction - congratulations on your achievement.

Etc., etc.

Impossible_Policy_12 · 2025-02-24T00:40:02+00:00

Not for gay men it isn't.

Sadist_666_Chicago · 2025-02-24T04:48:00+00:00

the 250,000 jobs in Virginia are not an antidote to the fired Federal workers. the Republican governor of Virginia said that to blunt the criticism of Trump and Musk. there is no independently corroborated evidence that the fired federal workers were unnecessary; most of them provided necessary services to us citizens. furthermore, the 250,000 job openings in Virginia for the most part don't match the skill sets of the fired workers. you don't go from tax auditor to welder or to physician just like that.

FoundationAny8406 · 2025-02-24T07:11:09+00:00

I agree with you. Dei is synonymous with misandry at this point. Also JD Vance gave a speech about his message to men - that we should not feel bad about being men, that wanting to grab a beer with friends is ok, that we are valued and that competition is good. It was lovely to hear that.

We must celebrate the positives chaps!

Dry_Statistician_761 · 2025-02-24T01:21:05+00:00

It ain’t dying. Y’all are just having an extinction burst

Cainer666 · 2025-02-24T07:37:14+00:00

Certainly there have been some ridiculous policies and overstepping under the umbrella of "DEI" in the last decade or so, but what the current administration is doing is akin to solving a school head-lice outbreak by machine-gunning the entire third grade.

Quadling · 2025-02-24T11:57:47+00:00

DEI dying is horrible for men. DEI has been done wrong in a lot of places. But when done right, all it does is provide an equal starting line for all, including trans and gay and atheist and disabled. And no, ADA is different and is about access, not removing barriers and prejudice. So now, with DEI dying, even in the places it’s done right, the perception is that men are overprivileged nepo babies.

And by the way, that’s only white men. Black men, Hispanic men, Asian men, all disadvantaged with DEI dying.

So congratulations, OP, on being racist and ableist, as well as being perceived as sexist. Well done!

We all hang together, or we shall assuredly hang separately. Now is not the time to “other” people.

RaspberryJam245 · 2025-02-24T01:08:23+00:00

DEI Dying is Great for *straight white * Men

FTFY

And before you come for my throat, I am a straight white man. And yes, I support diversity, equity, and inclusion. Those are good things that we should support. If you don't, that's okay, but say it with your chest. Don't hide behind an acronym.

gilguerrero1 · 2025-02-24T06:48:20+00:00

Sorry, but, What is DEI?

m8ushido · 2025-02-24T14:11:51+00:00

Given the strong history and now recent uptake in systemic racism it’s become clear DEI is a scapegoat to roll back policy that helps minority demographics. I’d rather tax breaks and subsidies for the rich be taken care of before any policy that helps working class people. The rich have plenty fighting a culture war while a class war has been raging on from the rich since Reagan

JoseJoseJose11 · 2025-02-24T03:31:36+00:00

DEI is just as misunderstood as AA

ANARCHOJOSEPH · 2025-02-24T05:09:00+00:00

Orange Mussolini dying is great for humanity

Stunning-Yoghurt369 · 2025-02-23T22:17:03+00:00

Great for white men.

Captain_Pumpkinhead · 2025-02-24T12:03:30+00:00

You are stupid.

DEI doesn't exist to give unqualified non-white non-male applicants the job over a qualified white male applicant, it exists to prevent organizations from hiring unqualified white male applicants over qualified non-white non-male applicants.

We all benefit from this.

opensrcdev · 2025-02-23T22:58:41+00:00

Agreed, DEI is code for allowing discrimination against straight, White men.

Juragam-66 · 2025-02-24T01:26:43+00:00

can someone give me some context about DEI?

GenericCanineDusty · 2025-02-24T07:41:41+00:00

Haha what the fuck are you talking about dude

Thats incel levels.

Mykah02 · 2025-02-24T08:16:27+00:00

DEI dying is best for everyone. Hire on skill and aptitude instead of trying to reach a diversity quota by hiring a woman or non-white person who simply doesn't do the job well

eggsangwitch · 2025-02-24T04:35:30+00:00

DEI IS GAY AND RETARDED

Superrome77 · 2025-02-24T02:13:43+00:00

Smartest Trump supporter

LostLegate · 2025-02-24T03:24:36+00:00

I wonder when you all will realize leopards will eat your face just as much as anyone else’s.

This system you’re praising right now doesn’t care about you, it cares about the money you produce, it cares about you in the same way a Clock cares about its gears; which is to say it doesn’t think about them at all.

chmeric · 2025-02-23T22:43:23+00:00

I celebrated! But now we must work together to stand up for each other when we see it. Men united is the strongest force known to mankind so far.

FriendlyLawnmower · 2025-02-24T00:39:31+00:00

Define DEI lol

TreadingPatience · 2025-02-24T02:00:07+00:00

I want equality more than an advantage over others. If that means helping those who have been systematically disadvantaged, then good. The goal of DEI is to solve inequalities that already exist.

Suspicious-Sleep5227 · 2025-02-23T22:38:57+00:00

It was forced to die which is not good because the idiots who created it in the first place need to learn that what they created was bad. Now what’s going to happen is they’re going to bide their time, wait four years and bring it back stronger and become much more damaging to men.

Curt_Baka · 2025-02-24T00:43:49+00:00

You've singlehandedly convinced me to leave this incel cesspool of a sub. Have fun going back to the 1960s. Hopefully you'll be less scared at work without women in the office.

ASSASSIN423S · 2025-02-24T12:35:07+00:00

Found the incel

Title	DEI Dying is Great for Men
Author	Vegetable_Ad1732
Upvotes	636
Comments	309
Date	February 23, 2025 10:09 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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