Societal Collapse

adam-l · 2025-06-01T11:10:40+00:00

Man, you're a step ahead providing documented answers to my questions before I even manage to formulate them properly. Kudos.

Shiva_uchiha · 2025-06-01T08:10:28+00:00

Women's contribution to defense of society is minimal. Sure there are some examples here and there where women have given lives to protect. but just take a look into molecular anthropology to see the patterns in history. They assimilate with victors, even if it means complete elimination of the local male population and associated culture . Start reading about yamanya expansion if you want to know what I am talking about. There is a reason why paternal haplogroups outstrips maternal haplogroups.

That said I don't argue for taking away women's rights. Instead people should fulfil some duties to deserve such rights. Prevent also sorts subsidies and DEI.

Say tie right to own property to selective service. Adjust voting rights according to the contribution they make in form of taxes. Or some social good as having children and raising them to be good citizens similar to what mongolia is doing (they don't give extra voting power but they elevate their status through rewards).

This is how you build just society. To take from one group(working class men) , use them as cannon fodder and villanize them parallely is just cruel.

MaximumProgrammer318 · 2025-06-01T11:53:52+00:00

Damn bro. Can't believe bitches like robin are roaming the streets free.

Rhbgrb · 2025-06-01T13:14:59+00:00

I have a theory that this was all caused by a covert enemy. Now men won't die to defend the country, just sit back and watch it burn. What's worse is that the ones trying to destroy America (or the west) aren't playing the feminist game and life under their umbrella will be much harder.

No-Pizza8999 · 2025-06-01T06:25:59+00:00

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MannerNo7000 · 2025-06-01T06:35:14+00:00

Good?!

World-Three · 2025-06-01T12:32:34+00:00

I think relationship dependency is a bigger reason for collapse than female freedom. Destroying the family unit is also a huge factor in how much money EVERYONE is spending to get away from their parents and grandparents. From shelter, to childcare.

But personally. If the foundation men had for grouping together based on friends with tangible groups they were actually a part of, still existed... I don't think this would be as big a problem as it is.

A lot of our efforts have been reduced to subscribing to someone else, commenting on someone else's video, or social post, liking other people's opinions while often expressing our own in a vacuum. The positive feeling of participating in a like minded group feels stolen. Like expressing love or joy to people who don't appreciate you. We've removed the word friend from most spaces, called them followers, made unspoken status rules like, "don't follow more people than follow you" and other stupid shit.

If I still had groups of friends and the ability to speak on hobbies to the same efficacy as in the past, I wouldn't care remotely as much about relationships. Because doing things I enjoy and talking about it wouldn't make me feel alone. But because friendships and connections like that have been effectively depreciated across the board, we look for the next best thing. Companionship.

cybernd · 2025-06-01T14:15:09+00:00

Roughly a year ago i watched some interviews with the Youtuber WhatifAltHist.

From my memory:

He talked about the same societal collapse as you did. AFAIR there should be a talk where this is his main focus.
There was one interview with a slightly different angle and i think he predicts a civil war in the US within the next few years. Honestly, i doubt that such a future will materialize.
In the last third of one of his longer interviews he talked about toxic masculinity/femininity. Or to be more precise: about the absence of the term toxic femininity and how this can be attributed to the characteristics of toxic femininity. That segment was the main reason why i remembered listening to him.

I think he is still too young and rather naive with his conclusions. Yet i believe that it is worthwhile to listen to his arguments because he digs up many important aspects.

NAWALT_VADER · 2025-06-01T06:53:09+00:00

I agree with several points you've made here, and I think it's important to openly discuss these kinds of issues without fear of cancellation or dogmatic backlash. Misandry is real, and yes, some corners of feminist theory have drifted into outright absurdity or hostility toward men. That deserves to be called out. And yes, the normalization of 'man-hating' in certain media and academic spaces is unacceptable—just as misogyny would be if the roles were reversed.

That said, I have to push back on the idea that female emancipation causes societal collapse. I don’t see any serious evidence that women gaining rights—education, political voice, bodily autonomy—is what brings civilizations down. Societies are far more complex than that, and many of the issues we’re facing now (economic instability, environmental collapse, political corruption, erosion of community) have roots that go way beyond gender dynamics.

The nuclear family has been critiqued by feminists, yes—but that’s not the same as “destroyed.” It’s been questioned as a default or ideal, especially in a world where diverse family structures exist and should be supported too. But that doesn’t mean most feminists want to erase stable homes or parenting altogether. That’s a strawman.

As for the idea that only men can rebuild or defend society: I have more faith in both genders than that. There are countless women—past and present—who’ve led, invented, built, and fought. We need to stop treating strength, logic, and leadership as masculine-only traits. Women have every bit the capacity to step into a crisis or rebuild from one.

Lastly, I reject the idea that men shouldn’t defend others. If we’re truly striving for a just and functional society, then everyone—men and women—should be willing to defend those who need help. That’s not weakness; that’s responsibility.

I think we should challenge toxic feminist theory but not demonize all women in the process.

sumfacilispuella · 2025-06-01T09:54:00+00:00

i wont get into the particulars of feminism and what they do or do not actually espouse bc im from the south and we dont have that here really, but if by collapse of society you mean that less and less children are being born, i think its a kind of natural progression. we were once non thinking animals. now we arent. but women are still expected to do this act of bearing children when its pretty awful and i feel you cant really blame more and more of them for opting out. i think its to be expected that when women are no longer basically forced to marry to have a decent life and then have no right to say no to their husband or have him suffer any consequence from forcing her into sex and children, more and more will just not. on a macro level if every woman chooses not to have kids we are fucked. but on an individual level its kind of a duh decision. "oh i can do this thing that will be the worst thing i ever go thru and theres a chance i die from it (30 times higher death rate in my state than in some european countries, just saying) and also it will cost more than i make in a year just to cover the bills and if i have a few and make it thru i will at least piss myself for the rest of my life if im lucky and if im unlucky my uterus will fall out?... or i can not do that? " easy decision unless you reaaally want kids.

N1ksterrr · 2025-06-01T07:12:31+00:00

Emancipation for anyone is not only good but a virtue. I fundamentally disagree that the emancipation of women leads to societal collapse. The goal of the men's rights movement is to abolish the laws made that fundamentally subjugate men, not reverse women's emancipation, as women's emancipation is not incompatible with men's emancipation. Gender equality is something everyone should push for.

Title	Societal Collapse
Author	walterwallcarpet
Upvotes	81
Comments	50
Date	June 1, 2025 6:14 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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