Taking the Red Pill is hard...

AceGeister · 2012-12-23T05:11:04+00:00

I feel the same, buddy. Not to bring race into it, but as a white male I REALLY feel it. It's like women think I should be their bitch because feminism told them I want to rape and beat them, and any minority (male or female) thinks I owe them money because my family must have owned their family as slaves at some point (even though we were poor Irish immigrants AFTER slavery lol). It's funny how those who preach equality and acceptance across race and gender are usually the most bigoted ones.

Stay strong. If blacks and women would have given up at the first sign of resistance, neither would have any rights. Unfortunately both movements went many steps too far and it's now reversed. And that's what we're trying to undo. It will take time and persistence, but we'll get there. If someone says something ignorant to you, just back your arguments with hard evidence. If they continue to be ignorant, just smile and nod at them and move on. No point in arguing with a brick wall, right?

sethdar1012 · 2012-12-23T05:35:20+00:00

I recently had a conversation with a mixed company of friends discussing the rights of the accused in rape trials. I was glad to hear that all of my friends (starting with the men) understood and agreed with how important due process and the presumption of innocence is.

People won't understand if you start talking about how feminism has contributed to problems like this, but they will usually understand that the problem exists.

2012-12-23T13:26:06+00:00

All I've done so far is say I'm not a feminist, and I'm getting wierdness back. Everything from "how can you not be" to "you are, you just don't know it" "if you're a woman you're automatically a feminist." I don't care though, I'm old enough to know that when you have these big sea changes, some people drift away and others replace them, and everything settles down again eventually.

sibqm_lmvm · 2012-12-23T05:49:03+00:00

Anyone else feel like they are walking on eggshells and trying to tip-toe around other people's delusions?

All the time -_-

herbandmargie · 2012-12-23T15:17:39+00:00

The bigger thing here is a social one. Nobody likes to interact with an obsessed ideologue. Especially one that just had their "revelation". No offense to you, but it is what makes the college radical extremely distasteful.

2012-12-23T20:30:52+00:00

It has definitely made it harder to date, because it's opened my eyes to how selfish and self-absorbed most women are. It's really hard to form a connection with someone when they're looking in the mirror wondering what use you are to them.

2012-12-25T04:58:31+00:00

Rest assured, brother, you are not our only apostle =)

Don't feel the need to persuade everyone who doesn't agree with you. Our time will come. Patience.

mikesteane · 2012-12-23T16:38:48+00:00

The Klu-Klux -Klan used a form of "Rape hysteria" to justify their brutal and barbaric lynchings of the black man on false rape accusations. A past president of the US wisely stated during the rape lynchings of the black man decades ago in America; that the rape hysteria that is lynching the black man today, if left un-challenged, will be the rape hysteria that will lynch innocent men of every color tomorrow. It seems his warning have come true.

C0CKPUNCHER · 2012-12-23T09:04:59+00:00

It will change with time. Certain countries that used to be able to do no wrong according to mainstream news are now being criticized, feminism will in the same way be openly criticized eventually.

Talking about the personal situation, I think part of it is about when you have sadness, and you can't do anything with it, because no one will admit you can have sadness.

greenmesh · 2012-12-23T12:23:07+00:00

I asked a few of my friends and a few of my coworkers two questions at individual, separate times of each other, without the next ones knowledge, only to get the same answers in general (these being repeated most, verbatim):

What do you think about women's rights? "I think it's a good thing and that it isn't fair that women have to fight so hard for equality."

Okay, so what do you think about men's rights? "Are you serious? What more rights do men/we need?! Men/We have every right you can think of."

BlackKnighter · 2012-12-23T17:37:03+00:00

I've learnt to speak red-pill truths through the voice of a diplomat. Even then you'll find people ignoring or dilluting what you're saying.

Honestly if you're challenging people's paradigms then you'll always encounter resistance. You need to care less about getting reassurance from what other people think about the red pill.

It sounds harsh, but the best way is to just choose this path for yourself quietly and don't feel the need to convince others.

Straw3 · 2012-12-23T10:09:32+00:00

my mother doesn't want me to talk to her about my thoughts on the subject and what I've learned, simply because it paints women in a bad light.

If your thoughts paint all women in a bad light, then you're not an MRA. You're just sexist.

rightsbot · 2012-12-23T04:54:18+00:00

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Clarinetist · 2012-12-23T09:50:35+00:00

(crowd says): Hi Kroxxigar.

Final question: yes. Arguing with ideas that have been pounded into peoples heads is like, well... you know.

sowhatisit · 2012-12-23T15:41:49+00:00

Yes.

I also think about how finding a girl who is rational and actually open-minded (to the point that presenting of evidence makes her change her world view) is hard. On a similar note, mix in the fact when someone's brought up in a pretty damn religious family, and has had the time for introspection about that too and read books like the God Delusion. You're sure as hell feeling like that all the time.

I feel absolutely like you do.

But what I've found - like someone else I think mentioned in this thread. - Most people are open minded enough that they'll agree with you about how things are unfair in the system when you point them out with evidence, but the instance you use any 'institutional' words like feminism, or equal rights, or men's rights, people throw up their defenses.

Title	Taking the Red Pill is hard...
Author	Kroxxigar
Upvotes	24
Comments	33
Date	December 23, 2012 4:54 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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