Toxic masculinity

BDT81 · 2022-09-18T04:55:38+00:00

There are societal expectations that can grind all individuals down. I believe the biggest problem was calling it masculinity. Instead of saying "these are the unrealistic goals ALL of us have put on men," it's become a way to just blame men for their shortcomings.

DutchOnionKnight · 2022-09-18T11:59:01+00:00

I think there is no such thing as toxic masculinity, but toxic behaviour. The only reason I can possibly think about toxic masculinity, if there is also toxic femininity. And the difference would be the difference between men and women and their (toxic) behaviour. Therefore, it's rubbish to only mention toxic masculinity without toxic femininity or make a difference at all.

Amazing-Bit6140 · 2022-09-18T05:17:37+00:00

No, not with the “toxic” part, that’s all shaming language and misandry institutionalized and popularized.

The concept it was meant to describe was hegemonic masculinity, whereas men are forced by society to compete with each other. Think a manager pushing his employees to compete over a title to try and get more work out of them.

There’s an entire societal structure to physically and psychologically abuse men into this system, largely backed by mothers and women.

It’s the result of women’s hypergamy being encouraged by the state/society

aerial_coitus · 2022-09-18T07:49:10+00:00

SteveorJimmyorJack · 2022-09-18T14:15:59+00:00

Is based solely on HATE. And is a way to try to disguise the very real female toxicity in relationships.

Booth_Templeton · 2022-09-18T06:32:58+00:00

I hate that stupid term.

dw87190 · 2022-09-18T09:54:54+00:00

No it isn't. Masculinity is not toxic, society's attitude towards masculinity is toxic and it's the fault of feminists, as well as their intent

Qantourisc · 2022-09-18T06:40:58+00:00

It's a bad choice of words, toxic gender-roles/expectations are a far better choice of words.

They just used the man part as a slur.

Throwawayyacc22 · 2022-09-18T11:43:40+00:00

I believe so (however I can’t cite it) but it’s used and has been taken way too far, so many things are deemed “toxic masculinity” when they are not, it’s a term sexists mostly use to oppress men.

It’s a very stupid term and is an “ego hurt word” like “incel”

Metraxis · 2022-09-18T10:44:11+00:00

Toxic masculinity exists; however, it is not so much a thing men do as a thing that women think. A concept of masculinity is a set of expectations, "This is what men do". More accurately, it is a set of behaviors that are rewarded by society. If the set of expected/rewarded behaviors is on balance harmful to the men who practice them, then that particular concept of masculinity is toxic. By this yardstick, modern Western heterosexual masculinity is very toxic, since the expected behaviors amount to being a walking ATM with no emotional needs.

This can be changed in one of two ways. Either the next generation of women's' expectations can change, or the next generation of men can seek its approval/validation from some other source than similarly aged women.

accidental_me · 2022-09-18T19:14:09+00:00

Toxic masculinity, as a feminist concept, means those behaviors that have a negative effect on oneself and others and is caused by patriarchy. So, if men, for example, are stoic and don't express their feelings the same way women do, it's considered toxic and caused by patriarchy. Actually, men probably tend to be stoic because of innate things and because women like stoic men.

Nevertheless, being stoic may harm men and thus be toxic, if it's not natural but an act. So, there might be something to it - if we strip the misandrist bits and the stupid patriarchy theory away.

DarkMorad · 2022-09-18T19:51:04+00:00

Toxic masculinity isn’t real. Being aggressive men helped us survive and protect our tribes, villages, etc. We couldn’t get away with it by being soft.

Title	Toxic masculinity
Author	No-Ad-5825
Upvotes	23
Comments	23
Date	September 18, 2022 4:10 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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