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Why is this ok??

Ziggysyed

November 16, 2015
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Title Why is this ok??
Author

Ziggysyed

Upvotes 4
Comments 29
Date November 16, 2015 4:02 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3t1742/why_is_this_ok/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/why-is-this-ok.967132
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[–]GoHoMoThrow 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Women are welcome to do what they wish.

The big question is, why in the fuck are WE marrying down, why are WE subsidizing women all the time, why are WE not having the same standards.

[–]nude_peril 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The big question is, why in the fuck are WE marrying down, why are WE subsidizing women all the time, why are WE not having the same standards.

Because vagina.

Seriously, for most guys, 90% of what they do in their waking life is because of some short-term or long-term attempt to get laid. Guys with money get laid more often, by more women, who are more attractive than guys with no money (Surfer bros excepted).

[+]ryeshoes 10 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

The answer has to do with why we get married. If we are getting married in order to obtain exclusive (lol...anyway) access to a woman for reproductive or sexual purposes, and if we're making other non monogamous means of procuring sexual relations either illegal or frowned upon, the result will be higher demand for females than females' demand for men.

This results in women marrying 'up' and men marrying 'down'

BTW I'm not advocating that we not marry (though for other reasons I might advocate so) as much as I'm advocating policies / lack of policies that will result in easier access to sexual services. Decriminalizing/legalizing prostitution and having less social stigma for those services, for one, will cripple women and force them to shape up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's really simpler than all that even. Countless studies have shown that men value aesthetics more than levels of prestige, income, and education when it comes to dating preferences, and women are the converse. People don't like to think that they're being judged based upon their education and income but they really fucking are. I'm not sure how I feel about it, but the fact still stands that both genders have explicit preferences that influence who they date. Men are very willing to date down if the woman is attractive

[–]GoHoMoThrow 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because vagina.

Then we need to basically ignore vagina. Our lives won't change until we finally realize, like heroin, it's more damage than it's worth.

[–]User-31f64a4e 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That is known as MGTOW.

[–]GoHoMoThrow 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know. I preach it.

[–]Maschalismos 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

CAN I GET A WITNESS?

:)

[–]soalone34 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The desires from relationships still have residue from traditional roles.

Women want intelligent men with a future - even if they work themselves

Men want a feminine woman who will take care of the kids

I'm generalizing of course.

[–]GoHoMoThrow 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Well - since women have decided to change all the rules, we can too.

[–]soalone34 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can take my love for big boobs when you pry it from my cold dead sticky hands.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

yeah that's really the problem. Women, due to society or biology or a mix of both, still tend to gravitate to men that fulfill certain thresholds of education, prestige, and income. Unfortunately, with far more women entering colleges than men, it's becoming nigh impossible to meet educated men that fit all those standards. There just isn't an available pool that can match those needs. Women either have to accept the reality or continue having trouble finding a 'good man', period. Can't have your cake and eat it too

edit: I should elaborate that the income, education, and prestige thing is HUGE. Women still overwhelmingly look for that in a man. If you're trying to date a masters degree holding woman without having some education and income yourself, good fucking luck.

[–]GoHoMoThrow -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Can't have your cake and eat it too

That's what women and feminists have advocated since the dawn of time.

Ever had an argument with a woman over finances?

"You can quit your job, OR we can afford that nice car you want."

"BOTH!"

"We cannot afford to do both. If you want to quit your job it means we cut back spending and don't take any more on..."

"But I need a car. And bon bons. And dresses!"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

yeah it's completely hypocritical bullshit. Feminists are the best because they advocate for abolishing gender roles while still looking for 'masculine' and provider traits in men. Ie income, prestige, and education. Make no mistake, few woman are ok with being the breadwinner in the house, regardless of what they tell you.

[–]GoHoMoThrow 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, ask Forbes. One in three women in that position OPENLY RESENTS THE OTHER PARTNER. And it's not like the other two thirds are "oh yeah, that's fine"

[–]Ultramegasaurus 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's okay for them to have whatever standards they want, but I am sick of them pitying themselves, blaming men for not fullfilling their ridiculous standards and for devaluing men without a certain income or a fancy piece of paper.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think people don't want to believe it's in their nature. You might be able to socially condition women to not be drawn to people with higher incomes/educations than themselves, but I think it'd be a longshot. Regardless of what feminists say, women still gravitate to 'stronger' men who can take care of them. Are there exceptions to the rule? Sure. Just don't fucking count on it in most cases

[–]thalos3D 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a status thing. A male doctor marries a nurse. No one thinks this is a big deal. Female doctor marries a male nurse, and her perceived social status goes down.

The thing is, this is a choice that the female doctor makes. It's no one's problem but her own.

[–]Sanguifer 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What exactly is the problem with it?

[–]PM_ME_PHAT_CORNDOGS 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a known fact women don't like to date or marry down. Who can blame them? Considering they base their sexual attraction on things other than looks, although looks obviously do help a lot, it's not surprising that a woman of very high intelligence wouldn't want to date a guy of lesser intelligence. and as you get more intelligent, the fewer people there are who can match your intellect, so their dating pool goes down. this shouldn't be outrageous, it's just female sexuality.

[–]ocasionallymisspeld 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is mgtow unwelcome here?

[–]Maschalismos 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell no!

[–]blueoak9 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's better than okay, it's very good news. If they are stooping to this kind pathetic rationalization, it means they know they have a problem. Of course there's no basis for hoping they might develop the self-awareness to realize they not only have a problem, they are the problem, because after all the explanation they already have feels so much better.

[–]Anq 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

People who obsess about their IQs are nowhere near intelligent in my experience.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

some of the most intelligent people I know date people that are far less so. It's not that the people they date are dumb or anything, it's just they realize there are other things in life than being able to have in depth conversations about some narrow intellectual topics. You're spot on, people that brag about their intelligence and constantly remind you of it are often the biggest posers.

[–]192873982 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not okay.

Women refuse to accept a man with a lower IQ or social status then them, but that is highly problematic. Since there are more men than women on both ends of the IQ scale, a whole bunch of men will be left without a chance and a lot of women complain about it, when it is their own fault for beeing picky.

At the same time, they complain when men refuse to be sexually interested in girls that weight 100 kilogramms.

[–]SexyMcSexington -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotta be 6' tall with a 6" cock and a 6 figure salary. Men who don't are scum and useless to women.

[–]andejoh -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They can't be that smart because finding implies you know actually searching rather than sitting and hoping some guy asks you out. Maybe someday they'll be smart enough to realize that they could ask men out. Has anyone done a study to find out if high IQ women are less physically attractive than average IQ women?

[–]bigbronze -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The way it is worded makes it not a fact. To say "intelligent women would rather..." shows bias. I mean first what deems a woman "intelligent"? well you could say based on the IQ score you, so I can give you that. But to say "would rather" means that you have independently gone to all of the single intelligent women and asked them why aren't you married and they would have to say "I would rather be single." The more accepted theory is that women like to marry up, and men like to marry down. Meaning that a woman wants a man that is smarter, or makes more money; so if she is already intelligent, she is going to want an even more intelligent man, which will be hard to find because he has a lot of options since we men like to marry down.

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