OK, how often does this occur?

wtknight · 2023-08-18T11:20:00+00:00

Removed for being off-topic to this sub.

AreOut · 2023-08-18T07:05:30+00:00

I'm a powerlifter myself but this goes to r/powerlifting not here...

ksmigrod · 2023-08-18T07:16:57+00:00

The problem is not with this specific record, but with precedence it sets up.

I might be old fashioned, but in my opinion differentiation between a man and a woman for sport results should be based on 23rd chromosome pair, with hormonal therapies treated as permanent performance-enhancing drugs.

Lovers691 · 2023-08-18T07:19:01+00:00

The CPU/IPF policy on this is really stupid(you don't have to hormonally transition to compete as a female). I also wanted to clarify something on powerlifting terms,

"Raw": You are allowed to only use a belt and knee sleeves which both to some degree lift to lift more

Drug Tested: Test for PEDs ban by WADA

Non-Drug Tested: no drug test(you can raid ass much as you want)

Equipped: You are allowed to use more supportive equipment like a bench shirt, squat and deadlift suit. For the bench shirt specifically the higher it goes it ply the more weight it adds, like by alot(i.e the world record raw non-drug tested bench is 355kg(782.6lbs) vs the unlimited ply non-drug tested bench is 635.5kg(1401lbs))

Anne Andres competed in the drug tested, raw division of powerlifting and within that context she is 29th in the world for women regardless of weight class which would be pretty impressive if she was cis while Becca Swanson competed in the multi-ply, non drug tested division, she's 2nd for women btw so you really can compare the two lifts. Since equipped powerlifting lets you lift more, within the appropriate she competed Anne's advantage due to being male was unfair. This is the actual OpenPowerlifing site btw, it is easy to use and you can see what I mean, the site you used Powerlifting watch for some reason doesn't have a separate section for drug tested women like it does for men, it also lacks different equipped records for both men and women.

In case anyone was too lazy:

Comparison with Current Raw, Tested Women's Records(for full meet):

Squat:

Anne Andres: 210 kg(462.9lbs)
World Record in her weight class (Raw): Sonita Muluh, 285.5 kg(629.4lbs)(source)
World Record regardless of class (Raw): Sonita Muluh, 285.5 kg(629.4lbs)(source)

Bench Press:

Anne Andres: 130 kg(286.6lbs)
World Record in her weight class (Raw): Alexis Jones, 168kg(370.3lbs) (source)
World Record regardless of class (Raw): Alexis Jones, 168kg(370.3lbs) (source)

Deadlift:

Anne Andres: 260 kg(573.2lbs)
World Record in her weight class (Raw): Dina Hakeai, 270kg(595.2lbs) (source)
World Record regardless of class (Raw): Dina Hakeai, 270kg(595.2lbs) (source)

Total:

Anne Andres: 600 kg(1322.7lbs)
World Record in her weight class (Raw): Alexis Jones, 701 kg(1545.4lbs) (source)
World Record regardless of class (Raw): Alexis Jones, 701 kg(1545.4lbs) (source)

Anne competes in the highest weight class that is why the record for weight class is the same for regardless, also this lifts by Anne are older since she did a new meet and it is most likely higher, just that the results are online yet. I also chose full meet for comparison because benching and deadlifting after squatting reduces your number in bench and deadlift, so it is for accurate comparison.

TheRedPillRipper · 2023-08-18T10:38:14+00:00

The simple solution is to simply have two categories; biological women; and an open category. Inclusive of all. So anyone who identifies as a woman, can test themselves in the open category.

As a father of a daughter who plays rugby, there’s some big girls on her team. They’re also undefeated in their comp. Yet when they train, play oppose, against boys two years younger, they get decimated.

I’m not disregarding the importance of inclusiveness. Inclusiveness however cannot come, at the compromise of the integrity of a sport.

Godspeed and good luck!

beleidigtewurst · 2023-08-18T09:46:14+00:00

What does it have with this sub though?

A fun fact: on menslib subreddit (essentially, a sorta soft men's rights sub for emasculated men) it is forbidden to point out physical differences between genders.

The context of that rule has nothing to do with trans women though. It is about insane idea of explaining all gender differences as societal.

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OK, how often does this occur?

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