Female "dread game"

RPSigmaStigma · 2015-04-16T02:43:54+00:00

I am a man who has alpha and beta friends. The alphas I know are not alpha as in gym-bros. They work out, but they are primarily businessmen. They are very driven to success are in the top earners in their age brackets. These men can get any women they want. None of them are inexperienced with women.

I can tell you that they all want to find a worthy woman to settle down with and raise a family. I can also tell you that jealousy tactics would backfire very strongly, for two reasons. One is that they hate being manipulated and are smart enough to see it. These people see manipulative tactics used in business every day. If they wanted this sort of relationship, they'd marry their CMO. Secondly, they know they can find another attractive woman easily.

What works? Be supportive, good-natured, and loyal. That's it. And it's almost impossible to find.

tradmarriageftw · 2015-04-16T02:54:04+00:00

I'm not into games and I think they are a bad idea on both sides. You wait for commitment before having sex and if he doesn't commit, you move on. Don't waste your time trying to trick him into committing with you.

LadyLumen · 2015-04-16T03:48:14+00:00

I'd be careful.

I think the best kind of dread game is one where you work on yourself, look good, get out and do exciting things. Naturally guys will start gravitating towards you and showing interest.

Going out of your way to flirt with another guy, in front of your current guy would only work on a beta chump like you said.

But demonstrating value is different. Simply working on yourself and showing that you're awesome, whether he's with you or not is a demonstration of your value.

With that said, I had a situation like this. Was with a guy who was totally taking me for granted, stopped spending time with me or doing anything romantic, and started becoming very selfish.

So I naturally floated away from him after several months of this behavior and started kindling a close friendship with another guy. Well, my current boyfriend saw that he was close to losing me, so he started busting out all the stops in trying to impress me. But at that point it was too late.

pcadrian · 2015-04-16T02:23:38+00:00

It also seems like a thing that would only work with betas

This is true. A man who values himself would never think twice about a woman trying to instill dread/jealousy. It's not even about having more options, although this plays some part. It's simply a matter of self-respect. We don't like drama, and we sure as hell don't want to be with a woman who will trigger our "mate-guarding" instincts (jealousy). But only the strong ones can walk away from a situation like that. The weak ones marry the woman and suffer a miserable life.

As for your situation, I recommend you stop investing time into this guy, and find someone who is looking for a LTR. One simple reason why you should do this? If I find out that you're "male-plate-zoning" some dude (i.e he's your orbiter), I automatically categorize you as manipulative, attention seeking, and the most you can ever become for me is a plate.

TempestTcup · 2015-04-16T12:47:57+00:00

So this worked for your mom, but how is this a viable strategy for young marriage minded women? "After a couple of decades and some kids, you can finally dread a man into marriage!" This isn't /r/HowToManipulateMen.

Ultimately, a man with options, seeing that a woman is going out with other men, will explore his other options too. A man without options will easily fall into your marriage trap, but why would you want a man that easy to control?

Why do you want to manipulate a man into a lifelong marriage? Back in the olden days, women just got pregnant and looked forward to the shotgun wedding. I'm certain all of those worked out well, LOL.

Try this: trick him into marriage by being the best woman that you can be, dote on him, look up to him, and make his life better with you than without you. Make him want to be with you and then keep doing all those things, for the rest of your life, that made him want you in the first place.

meri-dian · 2015-04-17T22:32:42+00:00

If I'm ready for commitment and he expressly isn't, I put him in a sort of 'male-plate-zone'. He is welcome to ask me on a date, take me out, enjoy my time and get a taste of what could be, but he won't get my full vulnerability or my sex

I really find it interesting that so many automatically jump to "this is manipulation" on this sub, yet if your were a man on TRP, it would be thought of as "good game".

Any of these strategies we use (both TRP and RPW) can be seen as manipulative. But that doesn't mean they are nefarious. It all depends on the intent.

Specifically to your situation, I see that you would be protecting yourself, putting up a boundary and not allowing yourself to be a plate. I see nothing ill-intentioned in this. You hope he may change his mind and ways and perhaps commit to you. As long as you aren't going out of your way to make him jealous (date other guys) or purposely make yourself unavailable (eg. Lie about having plans when he asks you out to make him jealous), why not? And obviously, this isn't something you would do for months on end .... Because you would be wasting precious time and energy on someone that isn't worth it,.... Anyhow, that's just my two cents.

violetred100 · 2015-04-16T01:36:04+00:00

It will only work on betas.

[deleted] · 2015-04-16T02:33:42+00:00

However, the commitment-friendly alpha might even be swayed--he may think that this is a girl who appreciates her value, and doesn't ride around on the CC.

I think you should be very careful thinking of these commitment-friendly alphas, they don't really exist. A man is only commitment friendly based on the woman's SMV. Show even the hardest RP man a perfect 10 who wants to blow him daily, cook every meal, act extremely stable, etc. and you can find a point where he will say "I'll take a chance on marrying that."

Any alpha has abundance by definition, a man who is wavering in terms of committing to you is telling you just that, your SMV is questionable in terms of securing his commitment. A better remedy I think would be to find what's lacking in your SMV in his eyes and work on that. There's an enormous amount you can do to increase your SMV before giving sex, showing up with baked goods, feminine charm and wit, improving your look, etc.. I would look towards those first before going nuclear with female dread.

DreamBoatGuy25 · 2015-04-16T08:27:56+00:00

My dad dumps my mom, doesn't "know what he wants." Mom starts hanging out with a male common friend for show; everyone finds out about it. Dad gets jealous and marries her.

It happens but this usually works the opposite.

Basically the sexes often have an inverse complimentary relationship. (Though this is generally relegated to division of labor and division of reproduction). In other words what's true for women is often the opposite compliment of what's true for men(boys have penis, girls have vagina! --> (0) ).

Most people here are aware of how preselection works for men. And studies actually show that women do in fact perceive men to be most attractive when those men are pictured with other women. Less well known is that studies also show that men perceive women to be the least attractive when those women are pictured with other men.

This ties into what we already know about how men are generally averse to women that have dated their friends while women are pretty much the complete opposite. And like everything that social scientists have figured out about sex and gender there are jokes about it.

From an evolutionary standpoint it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why men would be wary of women who looked like they had connections with other men and why women would be the opposite. Eventually everything leads back to reproductive strategy. Of course this is not to discount the role that environment plays in human behavior, but that's really a discussion for another thread. Suffice it to say that this kind of "female dread game" wherein the woman tries to get positive attention from a male by giving her own positive attention to other males in front of the first male generally has the opposite of the intended effect.

KyfhoMyoba · 2015-05-18T22:27:35+00:00

No one has mentioned the female propensity to solipsism and projection. Preselection works on women. Women often consciously know this, therefore, a woman "reasons" [read: feels], preselection will work on a man [it doesn't on alphas, on insecure betas, sometimes]. A woman is attracted to a man that is ambitious. The converse is not often true. Women seem to be highly aroused by "bad boys" with lots of tattoos. Most men find women with tattoos to be damaged by them, yet, we see so very many women covered in ink.

Men and women are different, and what makes one valuable makes the other repulsive.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2015-04-16T00:12:51+00:00

Trp and game flip the script on what women have done forever to entrance betas

Title	Female "dread game"
Author	closetedredpill
Upvotes	9
Comments	29
Date	April 16, 2015 12:00 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/RedPillWomen
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/32qvmw/female_dread_game/
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