After the Red Pill, do you still seek commitment with women or avoid it?

guy2435 · 2014-10-12T16:48:20+00:00

All set for single life. Got a house, small business to keep me busy, a dog to keep me company and sponsored 3 orphans (not adopt). They call me a'pa (godfather). Got my sister's and cousin's family near where I live. A couple of single and married long time friends. Have fun with them on weekends. Still experimenting with LTR, I know its difficult with lots of disadvantages but willing to give it a shot with the right woman. Here in TRP to help me understand women, the nuances of LTR, understand myself, hopefully have a good idea the woman I may want to be with. I'm not looking for a unicorn, but perhaps damn near a unicorn. Despite all the negatives I'm still hopeful. If nothing, then all set.

12090205182025 · 2014-10-12T12:59:13+00:00

As a generalization, Young RP tend toward PUA and older RP tend toward MGTOW. Older more experienced RP have had the hot broads when they were younger; been there, done that, and tend to realize there is greater fulfillment in building their business/career/empire/body/other for themselves, not as SMV. The women come to them instead of the other way around, and they have more control of their hormones; they dont NEED pussy to feel good, and dont want to NEED women for anything.

IllimitableMan · 2014-10-12T11:14:04+00:00

Pump and dump because that's all most women are worth to me.

If any woman manages to actually meet my high standards, I'd consider commitment. Keeping a mindful eye that she isn't simply "playing up to what she thinks I want her to be" only to pull the rug from right under me when she thinks she's got me. For that reason alone, I would not marry, but LTR is certainly on the cards if the woman is high quality enough. With the right materials, I would try my hand at making an RPW but I don't think most women are worth that level of time investment from me.

I just believe staying single has far too many benefits as opposed to dealing with a girlfriend and all of the shit tests and what not that follow.

Most women are a bad deal. All the emotional distress and drama they cause isn't worth the momentary sex they can give you. If every minute of pussy is matched by an hour of emotionally intense bullshit, then the return on investment simply isn't worth it. Women need to make themselves a better deal to get the commitment they have been wired to crave. Women overvalue their sex whilst not taking even a second to put themselves in our shoes and think about just how shitty it is to have to put with someone's constant whining, insecurity, uncertainty, demands and general fucking bullshit. Not to mention the entitlement and expectation that you will endure that from her because "you're the man" and "she's the woman" and so you should just "take care of her." We've got fucking porn now. Some jurisdictions have cheap hookers too. If a woman is too mentally draining why am I going to sacrifice my happiness just to fuck her? Fuck that. I appreciate my sanity too much.

whatsazipper · 2014-10-12T14:20:35+00:00

I prefer to see multiple women. Occasionally one of them becomes more like a girlfriend but I never see reason to close off my options.

As a man our sexual strategy is active. We can't afford to 'commit' to a woman. It's not even something we should realistically think about. On the other hand, we should be concerned about how they are behaving with respect to us. Women will share a high value man over being with a beta, and in most cases this pans out as secretive AF/BB.

Women never really commit because they're always capable of quietly fielding potential branches, and they don't have to act until they have something lined up. When they have a new one (or more) ready, their behavior will be especially duplicitous. Women have a very loose relationship with the truth to begin with, and it completely goes out the window when sexual strategy is on the line.

It isn't a pretty part of our species but our mating behavior can be ruthless. Most men are inept and unaware of what's going on around them, however, so women often 'win' at this.

tits_out_forTheBoys · 2014-10-12T11:21:08+00:00

Commitment is left up to the RedPiller's own discretion. TRP basically provides all the necessary information to make that decision.

However, I believe that most unplugged men prefer to "spin more plates," or engage in as many non-exclusive relationships with women (plates) as possible. Additionally, I sense that the majority of RedPillers would love to have a son, but detest the idea of modern-day marriage. It's essentially a social contract which places your relationship in the hands of the government, while incentivizing your wife to take the money and bail whenever she loses her sexual attraction to you (which inevitably happens at a certain age). After the age of 35-40, it's my guess that most RedPillers would be open to marrying (younger). Growing old isn't easy to do alone, and staying in shape/being attractive is less attainable as we grow older. That's where my guess comes from, but fuck, what do I know what you guys want. Feel free to down vote if I'm wrong about this.

trpSenator · 2014-10-12T22:19:32+00:00

I seek nothing, and actually challenge women more rigorously.

For instance, I do want sex on the first date. I want it bad, and I will push really hard for it. And when I do get it, I next them completely. It's not even intentional, it's like some subconscious shit test I pull on women to see if they are the type to fuck any guy that turns their pussy warm. The only chicks I've successfully dated since TRP are the ones that didn't put out early, had standards, and passed my shit tests.

So yeah, I'm not really actively looking for relationships or FWBs, and instead just let the cards fall where they do. Most women just aren't worth it to date, but every now and then, one will raise up and prove to be decent. But again, it's nothing I actively look for.

NietzscheanStoic · 2014-10-12T13:35:30+00:00

For me, I'm looking at the big picture. Fun is fun; business is business. What I mean by this is that there comes a time to get down to business. It was put into perspective when I had a DNA test done. I discovered that I descend from an unbroken line of men that dates back to at least the Ice Age. Can you believe that? They survived the super harsh conditions of ice and snow everywhere, all year round.

These guys were total bros. MEN among men. I owe it to then to continue that line. I owe it to them to eventually find a woman worth their high standards and to procreate with her.

I don't want to be THAT guy -- that asshole that destroys 40-50k years of tradition. I want to be the guy that, in 50k years from now, my descendents look back and say: Wow. Despite those dark ages of massively retarded feminism, this guy was alpha enough to find a strong woman that bore his children.

zxDanKwan · 2014-10-12T16:00:26+00:00

As others have noted, it's a personal preference. Some guys, like myself, want to have families. To us, it's worth the risk. Also, and maybe a bigger factor than I give it credit for, I was already married almost a decade before I found TRP a few months ago. I had already loaded my nut up in that basket. Hah.. that statement works on a couple different levels...

My personal flavor of RP interpretation is: you decide you want something, as a man, you must go out and get it. I decided I wanted to make my marriage work, and keep it for the rest of my life. Also since we actually do still enjoy being around each other (I caught on to TRP before the tingles fully died out), it wasn't worth divorce rape, or having to train a new woman to fuck me right.

I was able to use RP tenants to get my pre-existing relationship to a good place, but even best case scenario is that I am an exception to the rule.

YMMV. Rate marriage 2/5. Will not buy again. Will not recommend.

Smitty6 · 2014-10-12T16:22:40+00:00

I think if women really want commitment then it should be earned. Like how they think sex should be earned. In other words there should be a lot of voluntary investment on our parts.

This shouldn't be something where we are alone and want to be together because we give each other the benefit of being with somebody. It should be because we love being around each other that much that we don't want anything other than commitment. And for me it takes some investment on her part to get to that place. Even then it should be a skeptical decision. Because your single life should be so hard to give up to be committed to her.

Divorce rape and eventual decrease of sexual attraction for both of us is something that is very possible. We have to be offering each other something none of us want it give up and that goes beyond sexual attraction and money. Which is idealistic in today's society but is worth keeping an eye out for as something that is possible. Until that's a possibility, make your single life much more attractive than being in a great committed relationship.

vengefully_yours · 2014-10-12T17:48:40+00:00

After two divorces, I do not seek commitment. No bitch will ever get it from me again. I don't give a rat fuck if I die alone, or if I spend my 60s and 70s not getting any. Pussy is overrated, bitches don't deserve to get what I have earned, sacrificed for and worked to get, for any reason. I have the cookie, and I'm keeping it.

What they can have is my dick in which ever hole I choose, and just enough of my time and attention to get it there. I might give her a burger if I'm cooking one for me over my campfire, but don't bet on it. Until she earns something, she gets nothing, there is no reason to treat her any differently than I treat men. Men have to earn or pay, so does she.

I like women, am completely enamored with them, but they have proven time and again, they cannot be trusted. They want hard earned resources for the promise of sex, sorry but sex isn't worth that much.

raceAround126 · 2014-10-12T14:35:19+00:00

There are no benefits to commitment. The girl you're with requires so much maintenance both psychologically and financially it gradually reduces everything you are to nothing. Then when she hits the wall and uses your money to go out fucking younger studs who are grateful for the experience, or using your children against you, there is relatively little to no benefit to you.

Right now, my savings are increasing greatly, I have some sweet hobbies that frankly make most people envious and nothing matters more to me than, well, me! I wasted ten years on a woman who wasn't worth ten minutes. I learned the hard way, not about to make the same mistake.

For me to commit to a woman would take a real one in a million! I doubt that will ever happen. It's not like some haven't tried, but eventually they demonstrate their true value.

White western women have had it their way and fucked it up for themselves in my opinion. They're manipulation of men was a sneak attack that has yielded them absolutely no reward. Their failure is that one day men en-masse just said, "Fuck this! I opt out!"

This is why, on a grander scale, you see reports of white people being a minority in years to come. Without getting into racial territory too much, most white women are too up themselves and entitled! Even the moderately good looking amongst them just exude bitch fence from the outset. Really, what man is going to be impressed with a woman like that? A feminist. Yuck, no thanks! I'll fuck you and then leave.

joaquim56 · 2014-10-12T17:54:24+00:00

I don't know how you plate spinners do it. Full time work, gym, hobbies, bros, relaxation. I just don't have the energy and women are annoyingly needy compared to male friends. Sure sex is good, but I'd rather have a more balanced life than waste my life plate spinning these western women.

EKcore · 2014-10-12T15:49:49+00:00

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mega_beta · 2014-10-12T16:21:26+00:00

Relationships are like investing. Some people are day traders and some people prefer to buy and hold. It all depends on your personal goals.

Transmigratory · 2014-10-12T21:38:50+00:00

I don't know as well... I'm just going with the flow. If commitment happens, it happens. If it doesn't, I really don't care.

810809 · 2014-10-12T22:56:09+00:00

I do search for situations where the girl wants commitment but I never give a damn about them. But if I can pretend I'm commited and get pussy for it then I'll pretend and when she gets tired of me I shrug and walk away.

The trick is never ever to give in to oneitis. The more you know about the true nature of women the less likely it becomes.

Stormhammer · 2014-10-13T12:40:15+00:00

Personally? I still want to be married and raise a family, but after my last relationship, and here, I learned that saying "no" is a perfectly fine answer, and if you get upset, tough fucking shit.

Basically - if I can find myself a woman who is intelligent, looks after herself, knows how to cook, makes her own money and is in general a strong woman, not one who will come home crying just because suzy in HR got the cake wrong or something like that, with mutual shared interests, then why the fuck not? If you can literally have your best friend, but can also sleep with them, share in adventures and raise a family, then it should be perfectly okay to do so.

MagicGainbow · 2014-10-12T13:23:12+00:00

Avoid, I can't see any benefits I can't get cheaper and without the after cost.

totorox · 2014-10-12T13:06:14+00:00

Women cant commit in western society as they are literally payed by the State to ditch the guy. False accusations are another leverage. So male commitment makes no sense except as a sucker trap.

reactionarytree · 2014-10-12T18:02:26+00:00

I would say that outside of pump dump that you are highly skeptical and cautious when considering entering a long term relationship. some do want children & to raise them right (not leave the kid in a single mother household). Lots of blue pill guys are eager just to take what they can get and thats why so many marriages fail. being red pill, you are aware of the nature of women and you are aware of how the legal system is completely stacked against you if you do enter marriage and/or have children. you have to be extremely cautious about settling down and thoroughly vet the woman you are considering doing this with.

[deleted] · 2014-10-13T04:24:02+00:00

Both.

I want an epic love life. Whatever satisfies me.

Movonnow · 2014-10-13T12:34:47+00:00

Commitment?

Field tested.

Not a good idea.

With each level of commitment, you increase probability of drama, of less sex and of emotional pain.

Women are not a part of my life anymore. Sex is.

WALLOM · 2014-10-13T14:18:36+00:00

As a 25 y.o. and I've found the benefits of being single vastly outweigh those of a traditional LTR. I have my own place, a decent sales job, no pets (dog upcoming), and generally stick to making music, writing novella's and stories, and working on launching my own design and print shop. Needless to say, I stay relatively busy.

Living in a smaller rural area most of the girls fill their time with whatever banal drama and cesspool dive-bar shittiness they can get into, which I prefer to avoid. I no longer "chase" women, whereas I would formerly plan my evenings around 1girl/1date, and face the wrath of potential flakes and general bitchiness. It feels good knowing that women look at and treat me differently knowing I won't commit easily unless they are bringing more to the table than looks and their vag.

__ROOSTER__ · 2014-10-13T19:31:56+00:00

I seek commitment.

I invest in getting women to be good in bed and take care of me in all ways. One nighters and even short tempers can't do that for you.

Cook, clean, give massages, do hobbies, and vacations as cool sexy partners.

I think one of the important parts of Sex God Method was the idea of "fully converting" a girl. Making them the woman of an Alpha. Addicting them to your power.

I run between a soft and hard harem and want my girls on the team for years if I can.

A buddy has had plates for seven years. Totally committed to him and knows she can't have him but part time.

FleeForce · 2014-10-14T02:54:59+00:00

Seeing all these posts of guys getting anally fucked over by one girl, swearing to never commit again, makes me sad. One rotton apple spoils the bunch I guess

TheRabid · 2014-10-12T17:56:00+00:00

I tend to believe that all relationships end. Thus, all are temporary.

Title	After the Red Pill, do you still seek commitment with women or avoid it?
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Date	October 12, 2014 11:03 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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