Beta, frustrated and willing to try

30303030303030 · 2014-01-01T15:04:05+00:00

so I approach

already less beta than good 90% of men, you gonna be ok

Close man, if a woman goes to your place she's up for it. But it's your job to get the deal closed. Even big sluts pretend like they are virgins. Be sexually aggressive, if you won't escalate 9/10 nothing will happen.

Easy kino into stronger kino and kiss + hard kino, fuck.

Get it through your head, either you will "get" sex or you won't have it. That's how it is for us men.

Exactly_what_I_think · 2014-01-01T11:10:21+00:00

There is a tipping point where you show yourself to ether be sexually interested in her or just friend interested in her.

To early and you are a creep to late and you are friend zoned.

It's different for every woman, man, couple, interaction.

In the D.E.N.N.I.S. System it's the E.

DanReggins · 2014-01-01T12:25:17+00:00

The pub closed so I invited her to a living area out back to continue chatting. It felt good, she moves close to me...

This is when you get ready to close, brah.

Remember -- A, B, C -- ALWAYS BE CLOSING.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kZg_ALxEz0

puaSenator · 2014-01-01T19:25:07+00:00

First off, all we are good for is advice and nothing more. The real value comes from experience. It's sort of like reading a book on proper fighting technique vs actually training. The book can help you improve through education, but at the end of the day, you have to try and apply those principles and figure it out yourself. Experience is what's most important.

If you read everything here, it doesn't mean shit until you start taking action. And with our support, you'll progress much faster. So it's imperative you decide how much progress you want to make. Set your goals now, and understand that how fast you reach them is entirely dependent on how much effort you put into it. Luckily you're in a great position considering that you don't have to force yourself to go out every night, but instead are going out every night because you have to. Now all you have to do is start reading up and applying some of this shit in your daily interactions.

There really isn't much more that I can add other than what others have said already. But with the limited information I have, this is what I can gather. At the end of the day, you're a man. You wanted to get close to her. That's what's natural. But you didn't because you need to work on some insecurities you got floating around. For some reason or another, you don't feel comfortable letting that side come out, so naturally, you don't understand how to utilize it. My only recommendation is to start forcing yourself to get comfortable with that side. You'll have to start forcing it at first, until you get comfortable with it after you realize it's not a bad side at all, but a great side of you that you've been keeping repressed for too long. You'll find out that women love that side, and men respect it.

alt30313 · 2014-01-01T14:38:39+00:00

Is there a reason after she moved close to you didn't break the touch barrier?

Is there a reason after she moved close to you couldn't have paused mid conversation and leaned in with your head and let her meet you half way (kissed her)?

Is there a reason you didn't offer her your hand and lead her to your tent after you hit it off (before you let tell you all her problems/you decided to go to bed)?

Is there a reason you didn't tell her to come with you to your tent or _ random place to hook up?

You fucked up because you didn't break the touch barrier or escalate. You have to make a move or create a situation where she where she decides to jump you(flirting/push-pull/ tease her and then pull back).

Be confident, be bold read her body language and don't be creepy/ overly aggressive [Pinging -You touch your target (in a nonsexual or non threatening way to gauge their interest/openness/comfort level with you) and if they move away they're probably not interested (though sometimes it can just be an unconscious response.]

There are some guides/videos on kino on the internet.

Science behind kino:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/another-game-concept-vindicated-by-science-kino-escalation/

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/04/game-kino-science-choose-any-three/

ilikedodo · 2014-01-01T10:58:56+00:00

Sorry for the lack of flair, new to this posting thing and I'm on mobile.

luxury_banana · 2014-01-01T21:00:41+00:00

The first step is to not care about what they think about you and learn to not fear rejection by trying over and over until you really don't care and don't become too attached to any one girl. There is no way to 100% successfully "close" and so you must take chances.

You are going to see some awkward situations. For all of the crowing about "equality," women will not initiate and will not take these kinds of risks, and they love having situations where they maintain plausibile deniability. That's how it is. That girl that you talked to was probably looking to fuck when she agreed to come back with you alone, but then again maybe not. Once again, plausible deniability. All you can do is test her actual willingness by escalating and hope for the best.

Other than that just work on things that will improve your chance of success. Mostly your body shape, because your chances of getting laid and from there starting any kind of genuine relations that aren't based on parasitism (the "AFBB" model as it's called) are based on what you look like, whether you like this or not. Chances are you're not going to see any kind of crazy improvements in success rate unless you were really out of shape, and this is fine. You don't live in a movie and you're probably not a rich, model-handsome guy. Very few guys have near 100% success rates. Again, this is normal.

Even that bar regular was just making smalltalk and doesn't have that great of success rate. He probably assessed the situation just like I did, though, based on the information he had. Girl left with you, probably a good chance she was down to fuck but you didn't try to escalate. You miss 100% of shots you don't take, as it goes.

PaulRivers10 · 2014-01-02T00:11:17+00:00

The pub closed so I invited her to a living area out back to continue chatting. It felt good, she moves close to me, we chat more and exchange pictures from our travels.

You're alone, right?

Any time you're alone with a girl, the logical side of your brain should think "most likely she wants me to make a move on her". Girls don't usually go off alone with guys they don't know that well unless they want something to happen.

At some point here, you should look her in the eye - say something, it doesn't really matter what, you can just say "Hey...you're cute", lean in and kiss her.

You don't need to spend hours and hours reading Heartiste from your story - what you're doing wrong is not more complicated than that you're not kissing her. Most likely that's it. That's all there is to it.

A girl who doesn't know you, accepts your invite to be alone with you - it's like 95% certain she wants things to go somewhere, and the only problem is that you're not making a move on her. Girls almost never let themselves be alone with guys they just met unless they're interested in things going somewhere with the guy. (There are some exceptions of course, but those are statistically unlikely exceptions, not the norm)

She tells me about her problems in life and what she wants and so on. The time goes on and on and eventually we just both go to bed. Our separate beds.

What's usually happened here is that she figures if you were interested in her, you would have made a move by now. So she starts rambling on into non-sexual topics - she's trying to relieve her own sexual built upness by talking about stuff that will make her forget she wanted you to make a move on her.

Truth be told, I have no idea how to close. No idea at all. I've had several similar things happen over the last six months, and I'm fed up. So how do I start taking control again?

From your story, it sounds like you're already doing fine - your #1, only problem is almost certainly that you aren't making a move on her that makes it 100% clear that you want things to go somewhere physically. Something like just looking her in the eye, think about having hot sex with her, lean in and kiss her.

If you try that several times and it doesn't work, then yes, you need to figure out what you're doing wrong. But your story sounds exactly like your problem is only that you're not making a move on her shortly after the 2 of you are alone together.

Things with girls have changed from a decade ago. A decade ago, girls expected to spend a lot of time talking to you, etc, then they'd come back to your room with you. Now, the point has changed - they expect that if you're interested in them, you'll be making a move on them within a couple of minutes of the 2 of your being alone (somewhere where you can make a move without it being socially awkward).

FortunateBum · 2014-01-02T19:47:50+00:00

As the man, you have to initiate everything. If you don't make sex happen, it will not happen. Ever.

Ever hear a woman say about sex "It just happened"? You will never be able to say that.

What you should've done is make a move. If you're going to get rejected, it's better to be rejected earlier than later. That way you save time.

My opinion is that you need to get rejected early and often, otherwise you'll get nowhere. Beta orbiters are basically getting the long "no". A "no" that lasts years. If you got that kind of time, good for you I guess.

Douchbag guys will grab a girl's ass about five minutes after meeting. Even if they get rejected 100 times, you've only wasted about 8 hours. Think about it. You could proposition 100 chicks for sex in about a weekend. Think one might say "yes"?

You, on the other hand, spent 8 hours trying to get one girl to say yes, how did that work out for you?

ilikedodo · 2014-01-02T07:00:54+00:00

This blew up a little more than anticipated. Thanks guys for the solid advice, I'm not going to live and regret not trying anymore, it's time to get serious!

DoxasticPoo · 2014-01-03T17:32:38+00:00

I hate Nike for coining this but... Just do it.

Fuck it. Grab her and start kissing. It's just making out, sometimes that doesn't even lead to sex.

Don't get caught up in your head. Don't filter your actions. Do what you want to do and let her decide if she's up for it.

Modified_Hackware · 2014-01-01T17:21:07+00:00

You lost it at "She tells me her problems in life". At that point she knew you were her girlfriend and not worried about losing her attractiveness to you.

Modified_Hackware · 2014-01-01T16:46:08+00:00

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bigern77 · 2014-01-01T15:14:41+00:00

alcohol

Title	Beta, frustrated and willing to try
Author	ilikedodo
Upvotes	28
Comments	30
Date	January 1, 2014 10:57 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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