[FR] Biker bar, wall hitter hunting grounds.

RedPillWatchTower · 2014-11-28T08:27:39+00:00

I was so glad to have found someone that was near my age range that I accepted, but as soon as I got to the pool table she wrapped herself around the arms of this 6'6 guy, and says "hey I'm a bit busy at the moment, I'll teach you later".

She was trying to AMOG you into a fight with the other guy, because nothing turns a woman on more than two men competing for her pussy. Women get off on men competing for their affection. Trust me, had you competed with the guy and gotten hauled off to jail/drunk tank for the night, she wouldn't be lining up to post your bond.

fasterpussycatdie · 2014-11-28T14:22:48+00:00

Holy shit bro.

I'm 26 and currently new to the outskirts of Houston. I've never been to a biker bar before so I decided to check it out.

This is what is generally considered to be a Bad Idea.

Here's the thing about biker hangouts... they all know each other. You were an outsider and they were trying to figure out who the fuck you are.

Biker bars are not like clubs where you go to get laid. All of the hot women are taken. Just automatically assume it. All of the "rules" you think you know do not apply.

The 28 year old was trying to goad you into a fight with the big dude. Probably at his instruction. Had you done so, every dude in that place would have joined in on the stomping you were going to receive.

You're actually pretty lucky you got out of there without getting your ass kicked just on principal.

mchlyxhn · 2014-11-28T08:34:03+00:00

I'm 26 and currently new to the outskirts of Houston. I've never been to a biker bar before so I decided to check it out. The first thing I noticed was the surprising amount of 40+ yr old women at the bar either single or married. The only attractive women where the two 22 year old bartenders that every old guy wooed over giving them hefty tips, buying them drinks and doing practically anything to win them over.

Now here comes the interesting part; I was approached by many old women that I wouldn't bang for the life of me, including two 50yr old married woman and a lesbian lady that came in with her girlfriend. Ironically, this lady creeped into the men's room to take a look at me peeing saying that I shouldn't worry since she's been a lesbian since '78, but that she makes exceptions once in a while (I politely declined).

Women past their primes who either settled for the nice guy or lost their best years banging bad boys trying to make up for lost time or reclaiming their lost youth.

In one particular moment when I was setting up the jukebox I was surrounded by these 3 women and they started to ask me about my job and country of origin, but then a 28ish girl came over and said she wanted to teach me to play pool and grabbed my ass. I was so glad to have found someone that was near my age range that I accepted, but as soon as I got to the pool table she wrapped herself around the arms of this 6'6 guy, and says "hey I'm a bit busy at the moment, I'll teach you later".

Maybe they were ribbing you? I'm guilty of egging girls into doing mean stuff like this from time to time. Your SMV may be lower than you perceived.

I'm like wtf, did I misread her IOI's? Why would she go through the trouble of baiting me into a dead-end? Was my SMV lowered for being seen talking with all those ladies? I noticed neither one of the bartenders exhibited any interest in me at all whereas every other mature woman where emitting off the charts IOIs, I was offered cigarettes, free beers and weed, even from the married ones.

I left the bar with lots of questions in my head. Why did I attract all the shitty women and not the young/hot ones even though I was the center of attention? Was my SMV lowered due to that interaction or do young girls have higher expectations in this situation? Why did that woman go through all the trouble to bait me?

What is the correct manner to operate in these scenarios and the bar scene in general?

It doesn't matter how many hippos and manatees and tortoises hit on you. The mermaids don't care unless they see other mermaids with you. Don't bother waiting for the hot bartenders to hit on you. They're getting gratification all night from the other guys, they won't even bother unless Brad Pitt himself showed up. Plus, they're working. The onus is on you to make the first move, and stand out in a crowd of alpha guys.

That's your main problem. In a normal club, it's not hard to out-Alpha all the skinny-fat guys with plastic frames and scarves. In a biker club, you're pretty much walking into the lions' den. How are you going to out-Alpha these massive, ripped, bearded, tattooed dudes who risk their lives every time they commute? If you're not up for the challenge, you'll be mauled in there.

DK7096 · 2014-11-28T14:47:08+00:00

It's been said but I need to reiterate NEVER HIT ON/FLIRT/ESCALATE WITH A WOMAN IN A BIKER BAR.

I'm really good friends with a bunch of guys in various MCs both really chill and really rough ones and I hang out with them a lot, they are some of the most awesome people to hang out and party with ever IF (big emphasis here) you follow the "rules". If you are in a "biker bar", they assume you know the rules and will hold you accountable to them. Women are seen as property, they belong to the man who "owns" them so to speak. If you are hitting on or flirting with them it's not the normal "hey asshole that's my girl", "what's going on here, this guy bothering you", etc. Basically in their circle you have shown up and are attempting to steal his property. The chicks don't care because they want the most badass alpha motherfucker there and if you can steal her away from Road Captain Butch then hey, he was a pussy afterall, she's gonna make you work for her and make him work to keep her, but that's why you will get your ass handed to you 7 ways from sunday. And when 1 member of a MC is in a fight, they are ALL in a fight, and they will stomp you into the ground. Depending on the offense they will either teach you a small lesson, or make it one you never forget. Also, the opposite of this is true, if you bring a chick into a biker place, she isn't considered a person, she's considered your personal property, if she mouths off to someone else and offends them, it's seen as if you did it, you either handle it and shut her down immediately or you're getting your ass kicked.

TL;DR - you were lucky, before you go anywhere classified as a "biker" place, know the rules, you violated a bunch of them

HumanSockPuppet · 2014-11-28T20:10:38+00:00

a 28ish girl came over and said she wanted to teach me to play pool and grabbed my ass

as soon as I got to the pool table she wrapped herself around the arms of this 6'6 guy, and says "hey I'm a bit busy at the moment, I'll teach you later".

I'm like wtf, did I misread her IOI's?

This time, it wasn't a genuine IOI. It was a manoeuvre disguised as an IOI meant to rope you in.

A woman doesn't open by grabbing your ass unless she either (1) wants to fuck you right then and there or (2) she wants you to pick a fight with another guy to boost her ego. Since there was another guy present, which outcome do you think she had in mind?

When a woman begins the interaction with a hard opener like an ass-grab, immediately assume (1), isolate her, and go for the instant make-out followed by the bathroom-blowjob/car-hump close. If she resists your attempts at isolating her, then you've got a (2) on your hands. Disregard her and continue with your evening. If possible, use her hard escalation as social proof (by shutting her down hard) if she rolls around for a second attempt.

In this case, you did the right thing by bailing, but you did it entirely by accident. You thought you were gonna get a pool lesson and then game your way into a phone number/same-day-lay. You were listening to what she said. That was your primary mistake. Women don't talk using their mouths. A woman's mouth is her Excuse Hole™.

The lesson here is "don't listen to women's words, listen to their actions". Learn to interpret the meaning of the hair flip, the giggle, the lip-bite, the doggie-dinner-bowl eyes, the ass-grab, the awkward pause, the furrowed brow, the nervous-search-for-her-friends, the side-turn, the back-turn. Then learn how to respond using actions of your own so you can either escalate or disengage as necessary.

As for the old chicks, you're spot on. They're the low SMV vultures circling the bar eating at easy-pickings. You can bang them with no problem, but you'd rather go for a substantial meal. It just takes more work.

You're starting to develop an eye for sexual politics, but you still need to work on your fluency in "listening" and "speaking" the language of actions. Keep at it. You're on the right track, and you'll get better with continued practice.

Pushnikov · 2014-11-28T09:38:46+00:00

I'm sure you stood out like a sore thumb. You were basically being toyed with, and for the older women, probably something interesting they haven't seen in a while, and figured they'd get some fun out of you.

The chick was obviously fucking with you. And you were so desperate by that point that you threw yourself at her. If you had been in a situation where you weren't so desperate for normal attention, you would have probably realized you needed to get her to validate herself to you, not you just do what she says first. Would've gotten you a couple SMV points at least. Doubt that the boy toy would've let you take her home.

This happened because you were suddenly the gamma in a different frame. Alpha and beta is all about frame of reference. In your normal world, you might have a solid attitude and frame, but switch to a subculture and suddenly you don't know what cues to follow. I personally dislike most subcultures because they make no sense to me. However, if there is a power vacuum in one, and it's your type of thing, step in and be alpha.

FemtoG · 2014-11-28T16:44:59+00:00

Bartender mindset : I'm only here because I make a lot of money here. But I am surrounded by old people and weird bikers, and frankly, only a loser would hang out here.

The young lady mindset : I'm only here because it is only in a place like this that I can feel like a celebrity/princess. Any normal establishment with people actually my age I get no love because I am hardly even a 7.

You are probably at best a 7.

BlatantTRPThrowaway · 2014-11-28T18:58:06+00:00

TIL about biker rules, and what not to do when in a biker bar.

iammaline · 2014-11-28T08:16:32+00:00

Lower your expectations, don't go in looking for something and just have a good time. That old broad will teach you some things.

oldredder · 2014-11-28T10:44:48+00:00

Ironically, this lady creeped into the men's room to take a look at me peeing saying that I shouldn't worry since she's been a lesbian since '78, but that she makes exceptions once in a while (I politely declined).

I am relieved I read this. I thought I was the only guy in the world who has been spied on by a freak while I was peeing, glad to know I am not the only one. Years ago I was in a male bathroom taking a piss and one girl got into the bathroom, stood near me, without saying a word and stared at me and my junk while I was pissing. It was one of the freakiest experiences of my life, I know how you feel.

I would advise you to just not go to these kind of bars again unless you wanna pump and dump one of those nasty `dykes´. There are better places to pick up 20-25 year old women other than thoses. I have no idea why that pool teacher woman did that to you, that is really interesting.

xxxbeardl · 2014-11-29T21:28:25+00:00

coming up out of nowhere, grabbing your ass and saying that she wants to TEACH you to play pool is not an IOI, its more like a blatant disrespect.

What she actually said to you is: "You're a bitch that obviously doesn't know how to play pool and I can can just come up to you and sexually assault you if i want to."

she basically insulted your masculinity in a big way and you didn't even realize it. Its all good tho, like others said, it could have been way worse. Your complete obliviousness to her insult probably actually protected you here.

slcjosh · 2014-11-29T23:43:58+00:00

Here's a suggestion. Don't go there again.

favours_of_the_moon · 2014-11-28T22:10:28+00:00

MILFs can be a gold mine dude.

They'll do anything you want, and not make you feel like you owe them the sun and the moon. Their sex desire just keeps going up until they die, but they keep getting less and less desireable as they age. It's gotta be hell. LOL.

They also generally have money, which a young man typically doesn't. And they'll teach you shit. They will vet younger women that come into your life too. They'll know instantly who's bullshitting you and who's trying to play you.

All younger dudes should cut their teeth on MILFs. No bullshit.

oldredder · 2014-11-29T17:17:40+00:00

Son, you done stepped into the twilight zone.

You sure you really wanna know what to do "correctly" in "these scenarios" ?

This is not how regular bars go. I think you know "what to do" in this kind of bar. You just don't want to. Shouldn't want to.

TekkomanKingz · 2014-11-28T13:10:21+00:00

The girl was trying to save you from being hounded by them. Either way congratulations young man you are a natural MILF hunter. By the way your ass is old because 44-26= 18. So yeah they may be old enough to be your mother but a young mother. After you hit about 25 it becomes harder for Women to tell the difference between a 25 and a 35 year old.

Either way you need to stop being picky and buck up, get some granny notches under your belt so you can have a little more swagger in your step. If you are into young hoes (barely legal types) then there's no better challenge and mystery to them than telling them you banged their mother and it felt great. There's nothing more ego baiting to tell a young woman in her physical (not sexual) prime she can be outshined by her mother.

I am 28 today and have been interacting with older women (of various age gaps) since I was 18. My dry spells have never been longer than a few months at the most as a result. Meanwhile my peers who refused to go for older (I'm not talking about dating a woman 20 years older for serious LTRs) had dry spells of 2+ years in their early 20's. You will gain experience and confidence, less STDs and most likely no "oops" babies either.

angrysoopkichen · 2014-11-30T06:17:30+00:00

Very big factor in this: outlaw bar (cats wearing three piece patches) or just a bunch of Harley guys?

Title	[FR] Biker bar, wall hitter hunting grounds.
Author	Gantznaught
Upvotes	60
Comments	63
Date	November 28, 2014 7:37 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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