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[–]Endorsed ContributorStories_of_Red 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
What the hell is next? NO. Butthurt men who don't get laid next girls.
There is a continuum of "Next", you realize? And that is true in ALL social interactions, not just the mating dance.
A typical soft next used in business or mate-seeking is not a stomping-out-the-door-and-slamming-it-behind-you display. Rather, once you realize the attempted social engagement is not going to be mutually beneficial, the soft next is the calm, quiet withdrawing of further social investment beyond frivolous social interactions. See a nexted gal at a party? Chin nod, smile, ask her how she is doing, tell her that it is great she is doing well, see you around, etc. Not once do you break stride or engage beyond the most banal of pleasantries. She is just a person you politely acknowledge as you progress through the social milieu.
If the nexted person tries to engage further, you listen politely for 30 seconds or so, nod and say that is interesting but you have to go speak to Mr. So and So, but it was great seeing you. Warm smile, move on.
If you are ever challenged about "being cold", keep smiling, act puzzled, and say "Not my intent. Say, it really was good seeing you. Now I really have to go speak to Mr. So and So. Good to see you!" Move on, warm smile.
That is not butthurt, that is simply not wasting time on time wasters.
The hard next is the icy "no contact" or further acknowledgement of the person socially. That is reserved for people who engaged in some sort of significant duplicity or injurious act towards you. And that is not butthurt, that is the sincere contempt properly felt for someone who harmed your interests. A woman who not interested in your affections is not a hard next, unless combined that with duplicity or some form of surprising thoughtlessness towards you.
[–]BlackJ1 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. Next is for men who don't want to invest anymore time into a woman. After you realize how pointless it is to have a "friendship" with a woman you are not having sex with you just tend to drop any communication with ones who want a "friendship".
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[–]BlackJ1 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Exactly.
You agree that if a woman LJBF's you it's in your best interest to next her. Attraction is not negotiable.
Also If I remember correctly it was claimed that women decided whether or not they are going to have sex with a guy within the first few minutes of meeting them. She's either attracted to you or she's not.
If she's not attracted to you, move on. There is no point in wasting anymore time with her.
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[–]BlackJ1 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men should talk to girls they like, and if they're not interested so what. They at least had a good conversation.
To clarify when I refer to the word "next", I'm not talking about cutting all kinds of communication with women(hard next). I agree men should talk to women they like, however it should never be at your own expense, if she's not interested.
Stories_of_Red explained it very well
once you realize the attempted social engagement is not going to be mutually beneficial, the soft next is the calm, quiet withdrawing of further social investment beyond frivolous social interactions.
Just a brief conversation and move on.
[–]EDDbDG 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Friend zone is just a form of rejection. It's not that hard to wrap your head around it
[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You will find little support for your post. Why? You start off on a discussion about why the friend zone does not exist. Fair enough. But what is the significance of that? You then drift off into advice which should seemingly connect the two, but the two points are heavily disjointed. While I can see where you're trying to go with your post, many people will not.
For starters, I would not start off a discussion about whether or not the friend zone exists. It is a very simple concept. The friend zone does/does NOT exist depending on your perspective. For me, I see the friend zone as existing, but it is not a state that women place men, but rather a state in which men enter into voluntarily. That's all there is to it.
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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Men shouldn't invest in things? Get the fuck out. We invest in our bodies, our health, our careers, our homes, everything. That's just ridiculous.
I mean, this is clearly awful writing. You don't even define friend zone.
To me, it's simply that want to sleep with that girl, and if for various reasons, such as boyfriend, situation, lack of time(ie about to leave the continent), desire for commitment or lack of interest in me, it doesn't work out, then I'm friend zoned. Even if she's still attracted to me.
I'm having trouble believing that doesn't exist. I guess I'm using friend zone wrong.
Btw, per trp, Men shouldn't invest in women. That's all. Just like women shouldn't invest in irresponsible men (or children. Oh wait).
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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a very convoluted way to say "go for what you want."
To quote Seneca "he shall act steadily and boldly, without wavering betwixt the motions of his body and those of his mind."
Like I said, you need to define friendzone explicitly if you want this to be of any value. Everyone has their own perception of what the word implies.
[–]fap_the_pain_away 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to be friends with a girl. If you don't agree to it, then it simply wont happen. Move on.
The other day a girl tried to put me in the friend zone. I replied, "I don't become friends with women I want to fuck." She was obviously very excited by my DGAF response. Saying things like "Oh, I'm flattered!!!" We kept talking back and forth but it was clear that while she was excited by me having balls, she truly wasn't going to fuck. So I deleted her number.
Funny thing, the next day she texted me (I still remembered her number from the area code even though I deleted it). She asked me if I was at her house last night. WTF? I have no idea where she lives. And even if I did, what would I do, drive up and stalk her? What a loser. I just deleted it and will never speak to her again.
Then next girl I talked to was from Tinder. "It's raining, let's stay in and chill" was all it took. She came over and I got laid. New plate.
That's how it's done, guys. Not every girl is willing to fuck you. Just be sure to have that info as soon as possible, preferably while spending 0 dollars and 0 cents. If it's no, just move on.
This is exactly the male strength and intelligent use of our time that feminists hate. They want free shit at our expense. Do not give it to them.
[–]Moolg86 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The "friendzone" is more of a mental space than an actual zone. you are correct when you say that men often times put themselves there, and it's usually as a direct result of over investment/outcome dependence.
The whole bit about nexting and whether or not you should continue relations with a girl who already rejected your advances is a slightly more fluid concept.
IMO I wouldn't spend any more time than I had to with said girl, because my time (which i have a limited about of, and am constantly losing) could be better spent propositiong a more receptive girl.
don't "wait around" for some girl you think you still have a chance with, that's fertile ground for oneitis/pedastalization.
Keep it moving, most of us have to play the numbers game at some level, at it never hurts to tip the odds in your favor.
[–]JackGoldsteinWrites 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Friend zone is great for men. I put girls in it all the time. Its like my own little queue in case my girlfriend doesn't work out. She both loves and hates the fact that it exists for me. Loves it because the alpha tingles. Hates it because my gf is RP as heck and knows what women will do to each other and how little loyalty they have, being a woman herself.
[–]SWIMs-Drugs 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What are you even saying? You're either a guy said women would fuck, or you're not. This is dependant on your SMV and how your game was on said first impression
[–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It exists if they're not joshosexuals, though.
[–]Ricardo2991 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I still abide by the ladder theory. Works well for me.
[–]DforDeadpool -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
While friendzone doesn't exist, why would "next"ing be a loser's job? If she's polite and considerate while rejecting you, go soft next. Don't make her sad, don't get butthurt. If she was disrespectful, go nuclear, ice-cold, ghost, choose one. Probably nuclear. There is no shame in nexting. Just like for women, there is no shame in fucking Chads and marrying Bobs. That's how the sexuality game is. If she doesn't make your life better, next that shit.
[–]DforDeadpool 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If a girl say's she wants to be only friends she might be suggesting she's uninterested, she also might be suggesting you put that dick away (which is how most guys feel I think, emasculated). A man who is confident and successful doesn't react to that, it means nothing. It's your choice to stop being sexual. And if she is uncomfortable around you or rude why would any normal person want to be around that?
How it is not nexting?
And, of course, I won't respond same way to "No, sorry, let's just be friends?!" and "Fuck off, loser."
[–]Battle-Scars 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
she also might be suggesting you put that dick away
It's not her decision whether I put my Dick away or not, sexual strategy means just that. I go after the women I want to fuck and if they want to fuck me they will. If they say LJBF I know they don't want to fuck me, not butt-hurt at all, just the way it is. Does it suck, sure, sometimes, but the beauty of SMV is it's brutal honesty whether we like it or not. Definition of friend zone? different for every man, but for me its the second you feel your self respect being violated. Why would you want to be friends with a swirling shit storm of confusion that women are when you can have solid friendships with other men in your tribe. My bar is pretty high for me to call you a friend, if you can pass you are in, if not fuck off. I have one woman I call a friend and she has earned it.
Definition of next? Stories_of_Red nailed it.
Anyway, starting to rant. You're getting a little beat up on this post but I think in general we're in the same ballpark just different shades of gray (no pun intended).
[–]xkulp8 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree the friendzone is an artificial construct, but for a simpler reason: You're either fucking her or you're not.
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