ONS Can't Comprehend Why I Don't Pay for Dates

dangercat415 · 2017-09-24T13:28:56+00:00

The best thing about a plate or a girl you don't give a shit about either way is you can fuck around and see what you can get away with.

I was friends with a girl a few years back that was an ULTRA insane vegan.

She was the type that literally thought the lives of chickens and humans were of equivalent worth.

She happened to live in the same complex as I did so she would always come over after work and hang out.

Didn't want to fuck her... didn't care either way.

I would just constantly fuck with her to see what I could get away with. She really wanted the D and eventually was essentially begging for it.

She was a feminist and I told her she could have it when she dressed like a whore for me...

Still kept coming over begging for it.

It's a great way to measure your SMV

empatheticapathetic · 2017-09-23T16:43:50+00:00

She's just fucking testing your boundaries like any woman.

Trying to break you into a beta. Nothing to see here.

And a favourite comment of mine /u/w_o_m_b_a_t said once on asktrp, "uh oh you listened to what a woman said"

yomo86 · 2017-09-23T19:07:57+00:00

Her: "If a guy wants to take a girl out on a date he pays. That's normal duh" Me: "Ok"

This is where you should have ended it. Arguing with a man is difficult if not impossible if his mind is not able to comprehend a different view. Arguing with a woman is futile at best, dangerous at worst. Amused mastery or indifference is key.

JamesSkepp · 2017-09-23T17:21:30+00:00

she hits me with this "A man should always pay for a date" shit and then cannot understand why I disagree.

Don't disagree just to prove "RP is right" or such, it's pointless and it's a waste of your time - you could have just agreed&amplified and be on your way to fuck her or you could have ignored it and do something constructive (and probably on your way to fuck her). Simple "k" (ambiguous and is bound to get her engaged "k what?") would suffice as last resort if you really need to make text without purpose.

All you did is engage her logic-ASD-hamster. You we're "forgiven" b/c you're "hot hilarious and fuck her brains out" and held frame. OTOH you baited shit tests and passed, so perhaps there's another side to it.

U don't sound like u have had a lot of good experiences beyond sex"

Right. YOU QuiteFrenchlyToasted didn't have "good experiences with women beyond sex" b/c YOU didn't pay for THEM being wined and dined by YOU. That's YOUR good experiences that are missing here. Jesus fucking christ, how delusional is she?!

she hits me up every once and awhile because I'm hot, hilarious and fucked her brains out.

RP in simplest form, at least when it comes to m-f part.

dr_warlock · 2017-09-24T13:34:26+00:00

You took her seriously. When a woman leads a conversation, she's looking for ego boosts, emotion bombs, and non sexy comfort. It always leads away from the pussy. If you feed it with validation (responding with seriousness), it will just get worse and lead to a land void of sex. Should have just said "nah, because you're a buttface" or something else childish. Then she'll attack you by calling you immature or justify herself. Just keep toying with herfor your amusement.

QuiteFrenchlyToasted · 2017-09-23T16:25:16+00:00

I'm not sure why but the way her grammar is in this made my skin crawl.

Rian_Stone · 2017-09-23T18:21:26+00:00

What I don't get is why you're talking to your ONS

Arguing over something that will never happen

max_peenor · 2017-09-24T16:29:38+00:00

Too much work. I mean, there is nothing wrong with having people you like to talk to, but I fail to see what you get out of this other than maybe, someday, you'll get a picture of the tits you've already seen.

I'm not trying to accomplish anything here.

Then don't post. There is something to say here, so don't be a press fag about it.

PlusGoody · 2017-09-24T17:13:22+00:00

TRP gets this wrong. Supplication (paying for expensive dates with a woman who hasn't slept with you and forsaken all others) is unattractive, but so is being stingy or ARGUING about who is supposed to pay for dates. The solution is CHEAP dates, that you can pay for while retaining outcome independence or she can pick up the checks for if she feels like it.

BluepillProfessor · 2017-09-23T16:58:05+00:00

Text is for logistics. This kind of shit can get you temp banned on MRP.

Is arguing political questions with Emojis the new way of talking and plate maintenance?

RPAlternate42 · 2017-09-24T03:37:09+00:00

General rule:

If you tell her, "we are going to X...", you should pay: you asked.
If she says, "we are going to X...", she pays: she asked (set this boundary the first time*
If it's a first time meetup (Tinder) or boundaries have been established, it's dutch.

If she says, "We're going to X..." and you show up at "X" and she is waiting for you to pay, say, "you invited me, you're paying." Broken record this only twice more as needed. Anything more and you go away and do something else. If she calls, texts, brings it up in anyway other than, *you were right, I should have paid (or similar), you leave her presence (or have he leave yours) and you next; she's already more trouble than she's worth now.

TheOriginalWasBetter · 2017-09-23T18:30:50+00:00

I do agree that you should avoid women who act entitled and use dates as an excuse to get free meals, but I disagree with not paying on dates. You should pay for the date it you ask her out, just don't take her anywhere expensive. When I'm job hunting recruiters take me out to lunch and always pay, and they should because they invited me. If you invite someone out and don't pay for them, whether it's business or romance you just look like an ass. Desperate, low quality, or feminist brained washed women might not care you didn't pay for them, but do you really want to date those kind of women?

A director at a previous job of mine took me out to lunch after I was promoted, too me to a really nice restaurant where entrees alone are like $30, and I didn't order anything extravagant relatively speaking, and at the end he told the waitress separate checks. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt when I don't know them, but now I understand why everyone else at the office thought he was an ass and it made job offers elsewhere that much more appealing.

If you don't want to spend much then don't, quality women aren't looking to be spoiled, they're just looking to get to know you have fun and neither of those require spending lots of money. My first dates are usually coffee, then if that goes well we can walk around and get a snack of chocolate or ice cream and go do something else for a few hours, and if I like her then I'll take her out for a late dinner and drinks. Back in my old city there was a great pub where dinner for two was ~$25 plus tip, for 3-4 local craft beers on tap and entrees and sides. And it was really good food too, it was a pub but there would be a line outside everyday of people in suits who worked nearby at lunchtime.

10211799107 · 2017-09-24T20:31:56+00:00

You stepped into her frame from the get go. You try to come off as a ZFG dude but you totally got baited into an emotional tampon role for that girl while she was bored.

Mistake number 1 is using logic on her. Don't justify yourself to any woman. Before I meet a new girl I make it clear who is buying the first round, or we're paying for ourselves. Your post doesn't bring any lesson or value.

Redmarkred · 2017-09-23T17:44:33+00:00

You both sound like douches tbh

fenghsui · 2017-09-24T21:00:48+00:00

I feel like you got into a meaningless argument about red pill theory rather than demonstrating your boundaries ala red pill praxis. Hence, rock salt for the puss. You could've just said, to her initial "Then how should a date work, O great one" line, something like "I'll show you tonight at 7" or "Gents never kiss and tell" or "You think I can trust you with my greatest secrets?!" or "bring da movies" or any motherfucking thing on earth, instead of trying to prove a point.

Remember, the more you need to speak about your boundaries, the less valid they'll be seen to be. Your boundaries just are. In the actual moment, not paying for her could have either been accepted, or turned into a friction-y little game that - whether you do pay or not - could get her mad and bothered, and in a stew of pussyjuices. But as a hypothetical thing to sustain an argument, you failed when you began to play. It's a zero-sum game with an automatic winner.

perfidiousfish · 2017-09-25T11:18:48+00:00

I always go for a 50/50 split when it comes to paying for stuff, that goes for anyone, from random to ltr.

Whenever questioned about it, I've found the most fun reply is to claim that it's in the name of feminism, and if pushed, that she's a strong independent woman who don't need no man, then lie back and watch the hamster explode.

stephcurryftw · 2017-09-27T16:31:54+00:00

Typical feminist bs. They want to be independent but also wants the guy to pay for shit.

welshtraditional · 2017-09-23T17:19:13+00:00

The last date I went on i didn't pay, she did. The date before that, I paid. For me, a woman who thinks a guy should always pay is entitled. In all fairness, I don't really come across a lot of entitled girls here, but then I don't live in the USA or Western Europe. The women in that part of the world do not appeal to me in the slightest as they act like men and lack any degree of feminity whatsoever.

They'd also rather have a stranger look after their children and go to the office than drop their career and become a stay at home mother, which is what women do here.

Its really nice living in a place where sanity prevails. Alimony is a maximum of two years then she has to get a job, Islam is rejected and there's a healthy balance of traditionalism and libertarian policies.

I can be so drunk here and because there isn't a violent culture, I waddle home like a penguin without an issue. I see women walking home without being harassed as well.

Also, a lot of the women here still go to the villages on the weekends to spend time with their families, which proves they have their priorities in line.

I genuinely don't understand why more men with their heads screwed on in the USA don't leave. I know a fair few who have and have settled here and have no intention of ever going back.

Stop chasing American girls who aren't worth your time. I wouldn't date an American woman if you paid me to do it.

They're worse than even Western European women, UK side, and they're bad enough as far as concerned.

American women are just constantly putting on this facade of being happy, social, bubbly and out there. It just comes across as superficial and fake. It's just too much and it's all about validation and a 'look at me' attitude because most of them are insecure deep down.

You American guys complain of being divorce raped, and I understand, but I don't even know how you can consider even engaging with them in the first place. Just constant ongoing live stream of bullshit.

If I had an American wife (will never fucking happen) and she wanted to go fuck Chad, I'd send her with my blessing. Imagine the peace and quiet you could have not listening to it squawk entitled plsttitudes. I'd tell her to spend the night there.

Even in Europe, see a group of American women in a bar going on about utter tripe, and I am leaving the bar. I came out for a quiet evening with a nice girl who can actually hold an intellectual conversation, not listen to your small talk crap.

American guys, why do you even bother? I get the patriotism but there comes a point when you need to do what is best for you.

Taygr · 2017-09-24T04:58:54+00:00

In my opinion if I pay for a date I have a sense of control of the situation. The girl in a way owes me. Normally it will just be a cut of coffee but it gives me leverage in the situation, they are out with me I am not out with them. At least in my thought.

Title	ONS Can't Comprehend Why I Don't Pay for Dates
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Date	September 23, 2017 4:07 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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