Really Angry. Need input.

Thotwrecker · 2017-06-17T08:49:46+00:00

Hi I'm Thotwrecker and I'm here to help. But you have to be honest.

What do you honestly look like? Could you lean up some, get a professional haircut, torch your shitty wardrobe, and learn how to actually groom your face? That's 2 points right there, which gets you from a 5 to a 7.

Where are you approaching girls? Day game? Cool, day game is easy but you typically don't get fucks sameday unless you really know what you are doing. Your goal should be numbers.

Keep it simple - chances are you suck ass at conversation. You are trying so hard and you want it so bad, and you care so much - a rejection means you are a fucking loser and you don't want to be a loser. So you go into set with this neediness - you need a good outcome to feel good about yourself.

Be honest. You are bad at talking to women. You are unattractive. OK.

Take a deep breath, it's going to be OK. Unattractive men can navigate their dicks into pussy too, they have to just cure their unattractiveness first. That's why we are here.

Next time you are out, just look to get their number. Do not try hard to have the perfect line - I like to go in with DUMB AUTISTICALLY BAD lines because it shows I'm not really trying to pick her up (even though of course she knows the deal). For example I don't want to sound too smart or like I'm trying to put my best foot forward. For example, the other day I was at this pretentious ass coffee place buying a 5 dollar pourover and this girl was sitting with her laptop, headphones in. I motion for her to take them out and just say "hey do you think this coffee is better than dunkins? IDK"

Turns out she works there and is a huge coffee snob, and I just keep bullshitting like "yeah it's kinda good I think I taste a hint of char and smoke, like a ashy refined musk. Here try it" while she's defending the coffee and acting so outraged.

So for 10 minutes or so, we aren't actually trying to get to know each other or asking like "so... are you from around here?" or anything like that. It's very important to keep it stupid and light and shitty. Don't look like you are trying to make a real connection.

Then she's like "OK, so why are you here then if you are such an anti-coffee hipster."

So I don't want to get trapped just being her entertainment. Time to fuck or walk. "To meet hipster girls with nose rings."

"But I don't have a nose ring" --> she is already inserting herself into this narrative and qualifying herself, she's already a part of the bubble now.

Look her up and down. Smile, be relaxed. "You'll do. I have to run now though but let me grab your number."

See, it's not about saying good things. You're probably thinking my angle and what I said was stupid as shit. But to her, it's entertaining because A) it's not what everyone talks about and B) it's showing that I am perfectly fine with the interaction flunking completely because I'm saying shit that normal guys would think won't work.

Do you have the convo skills to do something like that? Can you vibe and riff on stupid, really brainless shit with a girl and just bust on her in a fun way? If you can't do that, you won't get far with public pickup. Day game is easy, but it's really really hard to get to the point where you are comfortable enough to just vibe in public.

I used to get all stressed out by others watching because when you are in a cuck city, everyone kind of eye rolls and watches in jealousy / schadenfreude hoping your pick up crashes and burns. This used to put me on edge and I'd only use boring safe material when I knew others nearby could hear what I'm saying. Do you do that?

What I'm getting at is you probably suck ass socially and you probably can amp up your SMV 2 points. Dedicate 6 months to fixing yourself (socially and SMV) and do nothing else. Just socialize / flirt and workout / improve appearance. That is it. Do that and you'll start to get better results.

The key here is that as a noobie, you cannot visualize your own progress. Because if you started this shit as a 3 and you improved to a 5, that may be a great deal of triumph and hard work to you, but in the dating market a 5 and a 3 are both undesirable. Chicks don't treat you any better because you are both invisible, one is not more invisible than the other. See what I'm saying? You have to push and push and push to 7.5-8 before you actually see changes in how you are treated. And you have to get to 8.5-9 before you can just pick bitches up in public or in clubs.

wtf_is_taken · 2017-06-17T04:42:05+00:00

get a hooker at this point.

MattyAnon · 2017-06-17T11:53:53+00:00

Im 5'11" 200 lbs with a decent amount of muscle on my frame,

Body fat percentage? This is heavy unless you're really built.

"having confidence" to "putting myself out there" and even "get a hobby

This is bullshit advice and certainly nothing TRP advocates. "Putting yourself out there" actually sounds like female self-talk.

Hobby? Fuck that, get on your mission and make your mission your life.

"being myself" (I am inherently a polite and respectful person by nature) is a load of bullshit.

Stick around here more, because it sounds like you're expecting conventional blue pill advice to work. It doesn't, it's designed to keep you as a sexless provider for women.

All of the pressure is on the men to perform and demonstrate value and show that we can serve women in some way.

Yes, it is. Although the "serving" should be "with your dick" rather than anything else.

Most guys my age have decent looking women in my lives yet I cannot for the life of me get one.

No they don't. They REALLY don't. That's a statistical impossibility - you're only looking at the guys with girls, not the guys without.

What should I do?

Lift, bodyfat down to 8-10% (ie show some definition). Lose the fat off your face. I am fairly sure [but not certain] from your post that you are overweight. Not clinically.... but in terms of attractiveness to women.

Read the sidebar and revel in your anger some more. Stay angry, get motivated.

Good work on approaching women. There's basically four problems men have with women:

Not approaching/meeting/chatting any women up. (not your problem OP, well done)
Not being attractive (physically, emotionally)
Not escalating
Fucking it up

So what to do: lose bodyfat (probably, not certain), realise that cold approach is very hard (women are irrationally fearful of strange men, even attractive ones) and this will take time and practice to master (you SHOULD do it, but don't beat yourself up about not succeeding right away), lift more .. lift a LOT more (muscles, T-boost, discipline).

Don't rapport seek. Do escalate. You're probably not fucking it up other than being TOO NICE. Almost certainly coming across as asexual. You want her to be terrified you are going to stretch her open with your dick while she gives in to her animal desires and begs for it .... rather than her thinking "well, he seems nice".

Talking of which.... eye contact. Laser eye contact. Not all the time... but when you do it.... peer into her fucking soul. This should be slightly scary for her, and it's part of pushing her buttons as a man.

Oh, but don't overdo it. Alternate deep eye contact with ignoring her.

Whether it be asking outright, or building rapport for 10 - 15 minutes of talking to see if she is responsive.

Asking for anything outright will work only rarely. "Building rapport" and "seeing if she is responsive" are not the right approach.

You want to be ATTRACTIVE to her. This means non-needy (not looking for anything AT ALL from her, including approval and rapport). In fact you want to be challenging and rapport-breaking.

She's fundamentally attracted to power. More power than she has. Rapport and looking for responsiveness seeking? Unattractive. Being cocky and funny and charming and not giving a fuck and being distant and aloof? Attractive.

Escalating is attractive (so long as you don't care about outcome). Teasing is attractive.

I know it's hard to act like the prize when you're not treated like it. This is why it's hard for men - we have to build everything out of nothing.

Ignore the conventional advice because it's complete horseshit as you've found out - that's why this place exists. Read the sidebar. Understand more about what you want, about how girls operate, deeply viscerally understand that they're just frightened little girls and how badly they need a big strong man to protect them from the world and show them a good time.

Alex_642146 · 2017-06-17T04:25:54+00:00

Not assuming you haven't tried these, but if you haven't some things to consider

Is your posture firm, proper eye contact, are you beating around the bush?, is your conversation inciting emotion? (MOST IMPORTANT), are you hitting on multiple girls in the same area (are they seeing you fail with multiple girls?)

And btw, remember the redpill, being a "kind and respectful human being" is for people you actually care about, the woman you are making advances on has done NOTHING to deserve such treatment, yet.

red_devil0_0 · 2017-06-17T06:58:51+00:00

Your story sounds exactly like trying to turn on the ignition, without having enough gas in tank. The car won't start, no matter what you do.You can be angry about it, complain or you can fill the tank. Unfortunately there is fuel gauge in real life, you must locate the empty tank yourself, that's where redpill comes in handy.
Maybe its your dressing sense, maybe its your body posture, maybe its the way you talk/look at someone, maybe its the way you make eyecontact, maybe its your breath, maybe its something you just are oblivious about, I dont know. Rejection is the part of process, so no big deal. You are 23 and taking social risks, makes you the 1%, rest only dream of doing what you are doing.
"Just be yourself" IS a feminist imepretive, that slows down your self improvement, as stated in *The Rational Male. Take time, read the side bar, keep improving and keep trying the redpill way.
One more thing , your posts has enough evidence that you need to leave your beta behaviour or you haven't read anything about redpill.
*Why are you comparing yourself with others and why is the woman the prize ? You are the prize!.
You play base and guitar, fine, but for what, or for whom? Only to get laid? Than its not a genuine hobby! Maybe you chose it not because you wanted to, or enjoyed it but I chose it bcuz all kul guyz r doin it!
If thats the way it is, better go to some other forum. Redpill is holy grail of retaining masculanity in a feminine imperative environment and teaching to Make Men Great Again.

NeoreactionSafe · 2017-06-17T12:21:43+00:00

All of the pressure is on the men to perform and demonstrate value and show that we can serve women in some way.

That statement says you have already lost the Game.

Game means that:

Men love women, women love children, children love puppies.

By believing that you must "perform" you signal lower position.

Maybe next time you bark like a dog and plead her to throw a stick in the park so you will chase it?

...that's what you are doing wrong.

Get her to chase you as you must be the prize not her.

Actually barking like a dog would be such mockery of beta male neediness that doing it could be funny enough to make you win the Game for once.

Stop losing the Game all the time... stop being the puppy and doing tricks for her.

butitsallovernow · 2017-06-17T01:57:46+00:00

I am inherently a polite and respectful person by nature

See, that is how a beta thinks. An alpha, by contrast, is inherently self-centered and disrespectful.
Women can tell you're not genuinely an alpha. What's needed is a change in self.

NatSoc16 · 2017-06-17T05:25:21+00:00

You are going to need to cut some weight man. Get shredded. Take shirtless pics. Post to tinder and bumble. Proceed to fuck bitches...

aanarchist · 2017-06-17T08:51:22+00:00

stop serving women. women see you as a slave who doesn't know his place. stop being a slave.

KenMastersMD · 2017-06-17T12:51:50+00:00

Thomas Edison was told he was too stupid to learn anything. It took him one thousand attempts at the light bulb before he got it right.

Henry Ford failed and went broke five times before he succeeded with the automobile.

Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team.

Success is simply getting up one more time than you fall.

BluepillProfessor · 2017-06-17T14:28:48+00:00

You smell of desperation and girls have very good noses.

Have you studied pua? Bang, day bang, the natural, and rsd on youtube.

MarketGiraffe · 2017-06-17T03:03:42+00:00

i like this line. "Wow you wear a lot of make up, you must be really insecure" and then walk away.

Let the rage flow through you young skywalker.

Conceited-Monkey · 2017-06-17T02:23:51+00:00

Find a social niche where there are women and gain status. If you play bass, is it in band?

ShavedApel · 2017-06-17T13:53:22+00:00

Maybe you just look bad.

Your putting all of this effort into hobbys, building rapport and that "load of bullshit" and getting nothing out of it of course you would be angry.

You have had sex with one old woman your entire life, use all that effort make some money and fuck a dozen whores. Run game on the side and you will be way less stressed out because your already satisfied.

Alexinfinite01 · 2017-06-17T17:13:27+00:00

Hard to say. Perhaps some of this frustration is leaking out subliminally in your conversations with these women and effecting the outcome more than you realize?

Try hitting on low hanging fruit for a while. Tinder or club and hit on women who are 5's and 6's. The term "starter girl" is perhaps mean but true. This might allow for a total tear down of what you're doing and give you a chance to start your techniques fresh on a new canvas

Alexinfinite01 · 2017-06-17T17:13:27+00:00

Hard to say. Perhaps some of this frustration is leaking out subliminally in your conversations with these women and effecting the outcome more than you realize?

Try hitting on low hanging fruit for a while. Tinder or club and hit on women who are 5's and 6's. The term "starter girl" is perhaps mean but true. This might allow for a total tear down of what you're doing and give you a chance to start your techniques fresh on a new canvas

pinnersnitch · 2017-06-19T03:05:21+00:00

Hire an escort. Work on yourself in the meantime and keep going.

notyourgrandmother · 2017-06-17T14:12:08+00:00

Put in the work you lazy fuck. Instead of coming here bitching about how things aren't going your way, analyze your behavior, figure out what you're doing wrong and fix it. Go read a fucking book or two instead of whining on the internet.

nicetimeisback · 2017-06-17T11:35:55+00:00

You are doing good, now study this anger of you..

You are trying to impress random women, being nice (a decent human being), and you are just getting shit back all the time.

Evolutionary principles would tell you to learn from this experience, and anger is an indication, telling you that maybe you was wrong.

Maybe women are not decent human beings and maybe they don't deserve to be treated as such, nor they like decent human beings (nice guys) to waste their time..

Keep going, you'll be ok

Title	Really Angry. Need input.
Author	Alex_642146
Upvotes	7
Comments	41
Date	June 17, 2017 1:39 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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