Stop trying to change society

Red_August · 2014-12-15T13:54:11+00:00

There's a difference between whining about something like feminism, and using it as a crutch or excuse for your predicament or lack of success and, simply accepting the world for what it is but yet not simply roll over as if it was a fait accompli, and take it in the ass. For example, a lot of the feminist topics discussed on this board are feminist ideas on the bleeding edge of the hysterical ivory tower minority - some of these ideas are not quite mainstream yet and needn't be if men simply said "no", and kicked their fat cankled feet from that toe-hold.

I, for one, know when to speak (or not, if speaking lends importance, and/or is dangerous), and I will not be silenced because silence is precisely the vacuum which invites those silly twatty ideas. I certainly don't make it a life objective as I have real, and much more consequential priorities in life, but as I make my path through life, they certainly will not stand in my fucking way.

NoodlesTheClown · 2014-12-15T15:53:04+00:00

If enough men fix themselves, then we fix the world. We fix the world by fixing ourselves. The system must be changed from within; you won't change the culture by arguing with those who fight to preserve the status quo.

Champions don't focus on winning the championship. They don't focus on beating their competitors. They focus on constant improvement, every single day, to maximize their performance. The results just happen on their own.

That said, if you're going to fuck a married woman, then have the balls to tell her husband that he married a whore. Don't let her get away with being a homewrecker. With great power, there (should) come great responsibility.

circlhat · 2014-12-15T13:16:17+00:00

You remind me of feminists/mens rights boohoo the world is not fair. The world isn't fair we all fucking know that.

Which is why its important to vote and change , I not saying we should complain, but getting on city council, going to meeting , changing the world is very possible as feminist.

Mens right has had a lot of success and sets a diaglog that can pull people out of the matrix.

Before Game all I had was mens right because thats the only pill I could stomach, they serve a important purpose and will you don't need to support them, I see no reason not to respect them.

magus678 · 2014-12-15T16:44:06+00:00

I am reminded of the anti-intellectual types who decry spending on science and degrade scientists, while literally standing in the relative opulence they have created.

If you only seek to take value, and never give it, you are a parasite. You take all the work of better men past for granted, as if it was yours by birthright and not by happy chance.

But it is true, this sub is only concerned with the amorality of male sexual strategy. (interestingly enough, it does have quite a bit to say about the morality of women's strategy though)

So my question would be, is there a more appropriate sub already in existence? Does it need to be made? While I admire the raw examination of TRP, adding value to the world is important to me. This sub in general, and this post in particular glorifies a looter mentality I can't get behind, but fighting about is neither constructive nor really even appropriate.

So if there is a more appropriate sub I'm all ears. As much as I like this one I realize that there are a few too many rubs for me.

[deleted] · 2014-12-15T18:10:51+00:00

Well said. This brand of harshness such as /u/GayLubeOil would speak of is exactly the medicine that many of the sniveling betas that come here need. They think they get it after reading a few posts and then go right on complaining that it's society's problem.

The battle is lost. Big Sister has won and is now seeding academia and the political caste with her drones. It's not just Sweden or the UK: Obama has been spouting the same bullshit and I now hear talk in Ontario of "consent education" in schools. The War on Boys is over and the victors will write about their "progress" in the history books.

So what, then, do you do? You can band together with the "monk mode" men or the MRAs or you can live for yourself in this forsaken world. Contrary to what some might think asceticism will get you nothing and rebellion will get you ostracized. You can however brutally abuse the system for your benefit while avoiding it's common pitfalls.

This is what the Red Pill is for. It's how you get out of the Matrix - joining the Resistance is optional. It lets you see with eyes unclouded the world for what it really is and what you really are to it (hint: cash, meat, or a dick, exclusively). So then what you become is what you've always wanted to be anyways (hint: the dick) without getting shoved into a category.

So not only should you READ but you should also ACT. There's a reason why hitting the gym is mentioned in every single thread. The gym is the seed from which all success grows. It motivates and energizes you and gives you the confidence to take new and better steps forwards until one day you realize that in a single weekend you just turned into the plate-spinning badass you knew you were. That of course is because you took action instead of staying in and complaining on The Red Pill trying to come up with ways to change society in order to get what you want, which is sex and companionship with women. Wouldn't it just be easier to go for the latter? That's right, it is.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-12-15T21:44:17+00:00

While I agree that societal benefit is a terrible gage for individual behavior and is NOT Red Pill, I still must say screw OP. The Red Pill IS the solution for the problems of society. An Awakening is happening right now and attitudes like OP are standing in the way.

From the spark shall come the flame and it shall consume the world.

stickfiguresk · 2014-12-15T12:17:23+00:00

The 'fighters' and... really, anybody that 'debates' in the purple pill is just masturbating. You guys are guilty of the same circle-jerk ego-investment(that Rollo talks a lot about) as the feminist SJWs. Do not engage. And if you feel like you need to debate, then you need to reflect on why you feel that need. Consider this another lesson in self improvement.

Consider this: can you find ONE grande debate on youtube where a participant changes his/her mind? The answer is "no" because they're just masturbating in front of each other, as the spectators are masturbating their egos in the crowd.

smokingmonkey420 · 2014-12-15T16:19:44+00:00

TRP is about accepting reality for what it is. It's not about changing society or "manning up." The concepts discussed here are clear and concrete. AWALT. Don't get married. Focus on yourself.

Seriously, stop fighting it and just accept it for what it is. Then you get to be yourself and just have fun.

dicklord_airplane · 2014-12-15T16:58:01+00:00

i pity everyone who clings to the idea that everything will be wonderful once we "tear down toxic gender roles and gender stereotypes" or whatever the men's rights dudes and SJW's are saying these days. they all believe that men will begin to like fat, manly women and that women will begin to like passive, bitchy milquetoast men once the revolution finally comes because those are just "social constructs. it won't, and they aren't. human nature is the same as it ever was, so it's best to accept it and plan your life accordingly.

scamper_22 · 2014-12-15T15:18:45+00:00

I understand all this, but this defeatist talk is sickening, especially when it comes from people who sit around talking about being ALPHA. I don't know if this is some kind of first world problem, because I don't understand it.

Sure, don't care about society at all. You will in the end be far worse off. Have you ever lived in a collapsed society? You have to give a shit. You have to talk about morality. Every other group doesn't stop moralizing and preaching. You want surrender to them?

As an ex-Muslim, this really annoys me. Oh yes, the world isn't fair. It is not boo-hooing. It is something called morality and action. You darn right, I have confronted my family and fought those social battles. My kids will not live that life.

It's the complete opposite of being a man or alpha to not think you can/should control the world (well your part of it anyways). And unless you live in the mountains in a non-state, it is a part of your world. Are you reducing yourself to a mere sexual strategy living like a chimpanzee?

Yes, sexual selection is not about morality. You should not treat someone bsaed on what they should be, but based on how they are. You won't get any disagreement on that one. That pretty much applies to every part of life.

But, this extends much further than mere sexual strategy. If you don't see how all this is tied together (sexual strategy, the family, politics, men...) and you have chosen to surrender it all in favor of getting some pussy and having fun, then by all means keep it up. But don't pretend you're somehow enlightened or something. You've given up and just wanna have fun.

In any case: Yes, the world is not fair. Yes, you should act in your own life knowing it is currently stacked against you and make the most of it Yes, social change takes generations, so there is little hope of the world being fair in our time

But no, you should never be silent or surrender. Your life can still get much much much more worse if you leave the political/social system to others. Of course know when and how to argue and when to just walk away and go about your business. That is a challenge of course and it should not come from a need of validation. But that is another discussion.

Probably the biggest victory of women has been to completely cut the balls of men. And this is basically. what you have done to yourself.

SQQQ · 2014-12-15T14:46:11+00:00

my preferred approach is GTFO. i m currently planning to move overseas.

cupcakes can fix up their own shit.

MuzakNinja · 2014-12-15T16:34:38+00:00

Please in the name of zeus's butthole stop trying to change society.

I'm a part of society. By changing myself, I change society. Self-improvement is one of TRP's goals, therefor we are actively trying to improve society.

If someone starts talking about morality and about the way the world SHOULD be, there is no point arguing with him.

There's also no point in associating with someone who strips himself of his humanity and sense of right and wrong. If you want to be an animal, you shall be treated as such.

It doesn't fucking matter how the world SHOULD be, it matters how the world works. Adapt and thrive.

It is no good measure of health to be well-adapted to a profoundly sick society. How "alpha" can you be when you abandon yourself to follow the herd?

You remind me of feminists/mens rights boohoo the world is not fair. The world isn't fair we all fucking know that. We are trying to get by in a world that's not fair. Stop morality trolling, sexual selection is AMORAL.

Selection/attraction may be amoral, but how you react to that attraction is not. Being a man/leader/alpha means setting an example.

In addition read the sidebar some more before you cunts feel the need to share your verbal diarrhea.

Maybe after you evolve enough to crawl out of the primordial muck with some semblance of higher consciousness.

Dev_on · 2014-12-15T16:38:23+00:00

anyone here who uses 'should/shouldn't' clearly hasn't been reading the sidebar.

you got to be pragmatic, not idealistic.

vicious_armbar · 2014-12-15T18:21:00+00:00

So instead we should passively bend over and grab our ankles while the feminazi's anally rape us with: unreasonable consent laws, university kangaroo courts, lack of reproductive rights, unreasonable child support obligations, etc?

You can call that type passive pussy boy behavior a lot of things: cowardice, learned helplessness, or laziness to name just a few. But don't call it redpill or alpha. Because it's not.

An alpha looks out for himself first. Both longterm and short term. If outsiders fuck with him or his clan; then he fucks with those outsiders. I don't know how being a passive faggot while you're under attack somehow became associated with redpill!

Do what you can to try and thrive in the current circumstances [short term strategy]; and do what you can to try and make the long term circumstances more favorable to yourself.

JackGetsIt · 2014-12-15T20:29:17+00:00

New Red Pill Sidebar Description: The red pill is about adapting and thriving in a world that is hostile towards men. We discuss sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. Red pill believes sexual strategy to be amoral. Read the sidebar in its entirety and lurk extensively before jumping in. Welcome to the rabbit hole, just remember, we offer truth and nothing more.

User-31f64a4e · 2014-12-15T14:43:10+00:00

"The red pill is about adapting and thriving in a world that is hostile towards men."

No more no less. It's about knowing what reality is and how you adapt to it and not about how you can change society and correct it's BP ways. It is one of the problems I have had here with some posts. Stop with the whinging, accept reality for what it is and use it to your advantage.

_valtiel_ · 2014-12-15T20:06:55+00:00

Don't try to run for office bro, just be another cog in the system bro, just adapt to the system rather than making the system adapt to you bro. Read the sidebar, bro.

goodguy29 · 2014-12-15T20:21:10+00:00

Concern trolling is against the rules.

AgentSmith27 · 2014-12-15T21:42:31+00:00

My opinion of this sub is that there are quite a few people who try to push an anti-feminism agenda... just like there are people trying to push a feminism agenda.

The fact of the matter is that most regular/normal people aren't trying to make any agenda happen. They are just trying to get through the day. Of course, the problem is that most of us are influenced by people pushing an agenda at one time or another.

The goal for everyone with a brain should be to NOT follow the hive mind, but to form their own thoughts and opinions. You can listen to other people and consider what they say, but always try to think about things logically and impartially. It is OK to have your own opinion.

So people in this sub, and all the other subs, will try to tell you what you should think... but there has to be a very thick barrier between their thoughts and your thoughts. Filter out the bullshit, think for yourself, and do what you want to do.

Redpillc0re · 2014-12-15T22:10:15+00:00

Ironic how you're preaching against preachers, yet you re still telling others what to do.

It's OK to have an opinion, also OK not to. It's not impossible to change things, but you 're not going to do that with words.

At some point you get tired of "adapt and thrive". It's a strategy of turning to a robot. Its just not satisfying to go wherever the wind goes.

qdegtjul · 2014-12-15T15:41:45+00:00

Firstly, I believe you or someone else posted pretty much this same shitpost a while ago.

Secondly, your problem lies in thinking

Feminism has won

It hasn't. It can't. Because feminism is a revolution, not a cause, and if it wins it won't exist anymore and they'll have nothing to bitch about (and they'll have to find jobs). They have to demand changes even if they live in a feminist utopia.

And while I agree this isn't a social change forum, it does have a men's rights post flair and that shit is probably there for a reason so your attempt to change this subreddit instead of adapting is not welcome.

Karol754 · 2014-12-15T20:53:56+00:00

People that de motivate others from fighting for change and progress are just as bad as the ones we need change from.

Aiadon · 2014-12-15T15:57:03+00:00

Why not try to change it since it was unbalanced by irresponsible histrionic lowlifes who hate us? You do whatever you want but I will assert my rights each chance I give myself.

AppleNewton · 2014-12-15T17:47:24+00:00

Agreed with everything you said. Good post.

Title	Stop trying to change society
Author	wakingslowdiver
Upvotes	38
Comments	68
Date	December 15, 2014 12:02 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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