The Alpha Monkey Dance

littleblacktruck · 2017-06-22T14:41:57+00:00

Thanks OP. Been lurking here for a while (this is my first comment ever) and thinking the same thing. Of course, I'm twice the age of most of you cats posting, so my perspective is considerably different. Alot of you young cats seem like you had no male figure around to give you advice on being a man, much less how to deal with or get a woman. I'm not throwing rocks at anyone, just stating an observation. I was lucky enough to have my old man (Vietman vet) and my grandpa (WW2 AA gunner, USS Reno) who were hardass, take no shit men. They both had a way of saying things so succinctly that you would sit in amazment how simple the truth was and how it was in front of your face the whole time. Maybe someday I'll make a post of their advice one-liners.

littleblacktruck · 2017-06-22T16:28:43+00:00

Alot you kids are more worried about being Alpha than actually having your shit together.

ShakaLeonidas · 2017-06-22T15:44:02+00:00

Truth.

The "Monkey Dance" is a refusal to accept the true nature off Female Hypergamy. It's the limbo between the Denial-Anger-Bargaining phase of redpill transition.

"Im alpha if i ____"

"If your Alpha she will or won't ____"

"Females only ____ if your Alpha"

" A real alpha ____"

ALPHA/BETA dichotomy is fluid and domain dependent. Esther Villars book The Manipulated Man covers all the ways women manipulate the male ego to serve their purpose. That purpose also contains male disposability and entertainment.

Don't be a "sucker ass Alpha." Sucker ass Alphas end up like most pro athletes, celebreties and men of power. On child support, with STD, dragging a bum bitch, a part of a female formed male harem, dancing in a circle for a fickle creature, self sabotaging.

Its not fake it till you make it either. Its not confidence building. It's a delusion. The Story of Samson illustrates that performing for women is how you end up in bad situations.

Passing shit test means your still being given shit. Dont male hamster it into a success. Women only have the power men give them. Just as the Earth only has the energey that the Sun gave it to convert. And the Moon only glows because of the light it reflects from the Sun.

Omnibrad · 2017-06-22T12:13:00+00:00

I think some RPers, and I have been of them in my early stages (I do not blame anybody), who are not Alphas but simply Alpha emulations. They engage their social encounters with girls with everything that TRP teaches them and think they are Alphas and shit when in fact they obsess with women and everything they do is aimed at getting women. They take on the clothes of an Alpha while being a Beta inside ( in the sense that they make women their priority).

"Fake it til you make it" is better than nothing, but not much better. Many men never realize the "fake it" is not the cause and "make it" is not the effect. It is not a logical progression to go from faking it to making it. It is really more of a transition period for you to gain actual value, which in turn is the root of self worth.

chachaChad · 2017-06-22T14:36:53+00:00

Good post! Thanks. I totally get this.

I was able to get my LTR by being an Alpha Monkey. I literally referred to myself as a "dancing monkey". It worked to get her but it didn't take long for the real me to leak out and show her I was just a little child in side that would put up with any bullshit she spit out.

I'm working MRP and somewhere on the way to real alpha and she's noticed and responded amazingly well. I did it for me but loving the progress so far.

ThrowItAllAway797 · 2017-06-22T17:07:03+00:00

Yes very true. Once you abandon your ego you become the alpha because you don't care more than the betas making you the stoic desirable one. When other dudes try too hard to do "alpha stuff" I just let it happen and let them look stupid. Maybe call them out or ask them stupid questions about it , but that's about it . You shouldn't be putting on huge monkey dances . That guy at the bar that's screaming in everyone's face and trying to fight everyone isn't the alpha like he thinks he is, he's just a man of low intelligence.

imn0tg00d · 2017-06-22T18:14:59+00:00

Sigh. Is it time yet again for another explanation on what alpha and beta actually mean?

[deleted] · 2017-06-22T15:43:42+00:00

I went out last night with a worthless cunt. Although she's been the one doing all the chasing really. She has other men she has lined up. I haven't slept with her in a while because she's such a whore it turns me off.

However, she bought me dinner, payed for us to play a bunch of arcade games, and picked up my tab. I didn't spend any money that night.

I'll give a worthless cunt my time if it's free and I'm not paying. Everyone needs a little attention, but if you're a worthless cunt you just have to pay for it. SMP at play baby.

aanarchist · 2017-06-22T17:54:59+00:00

you left out the part where afterwards he makes a salty post talking about awalt, failing to realize he was a beta male doing a chimp dance for her approval, thinking he was an alpha because he got to shoot his beta semen a few times with her.

gerend24 · 2017-06-23T18:43:34+00:00

lol at this. i guess the chads getting your girls freak sex within 10 minutes of knowing ur girl while you give your time and energy makes them beta and you alpha.... lol

this sub has truly gone down hill i really can't come here without seeing toxic shit like this lol if you're in a ltr or want a ltr you're not redpilled at all you're not even in the damn game what the fuck do some of you not understand that there are NO good girls lol?! what don't some of you get about unicorns and await? does anyone know of any actual redpilled sights aimed for slaying? you're in a fukin ltr with a girl that's cheating on you while we get her freak sex in less than an hour of knowing her while you give her your time and energy and you're saying you're the alpha lol? .. AND THIS ISNT FROM A BAD RELATIONSHIP OR ANGER PHASE. this is from slaying /reality. these good girls are playing you fools in ltrs the "good girls" are the biggest players literally just yesterday. YESTERDAY a girl in a ltr was beggin to see my dick on tinder while she was in a ltr all i did was send two messages "9.4 inches" and "what's your sc" and they then i say write my name on ur booty and they do it 3 messages and my name is on like 40 girls ass i can make a booty collage out of this and more than half are in ltrs lol you retards are blinded from this one girl from seeing the big picture there's a whole game you guys just aren't seeing http://imgur.com/a/CbJFi these are the "good quality girls" you guys are ltring. all i did was send two messages and my dick vid (3 including the write my name on ur ass) and this happened in like 10 mins i got hundreds of these..and i'm not even a big chad so a bigger chad is probably racking up in the thousands a future nun did the same exact shit lol all of your "good quality girls" truth is if you were pulling pussy and weren't low smv the thought of an Ltr would be unthinkable it wouldn't even pop up in your mind and if it did it'd be laughable almost disgusting lol and some of u got the misconception that the awalt is just them branch swinging.. branch swinging is when they go to another beta not a chad lol we get there freak sex within 10 minutes 30 mins an hour of knowing them and then we move on to the next hoe if you're in a ltr you either:

don't believe in awalt
know that she's cheating but continue to give her your time and energy anyway BOTH GO AGAINST THE PREMISE OF TRP

red_reality · 2017-06-22T18:35:43+00:00

If you feel like you're facing "alpha-ness" here is a is simple test. In any particular moment, when you're feeling superior to everyone else because of your pumped up ego, walk into an environment with a jacked, mean looking dominating dude and see if your frame stands. Make eye contact with this dude and don't break until he does. Walk over and say hi to him all the while maintaining your "alpha" Frame. Next, look at the woman by his side. Scan her up and down and stare at her lady parts for far too long. Then, confidently walk away, all the while maintaining your smug superior "alpha" attitude. If you can do that with impunity, you're probably the real deal. If you cave the moment you make eye contact with the big fucker, you're a faker. This is why getting yourself solidified in your masculinity and developing frame is so fucking important before attempting to convince others of it through game. It's ok to not be the biggest and baddest alpha in the room, that is the natural way of things and will come in time. What isn't ok is pretending to be something you're not. That leads to girls eventually owning you and dudes sensing your weakness and slapping your face in front of everyone because they know you ain't shit. You can only cheat the smp so much before natural law exposes you. Actually becoming what you're trying to project is the way to true success and contentment.

GrabHerByThePEPE · 2017-06-22T17:23:10+00:00

This is just off. Here's what you got right: You're not an alpha without beta support. If you have to do prove your place in the hierarchy (besides against the occasional challenger) because onlookers don't know, you're not it. Your alpha status is always relative to your group - of course you don't need to prove it, all those other guys are there because you command power and/or resources.

Here's where you're off: you cannot be a lone Alpha. That status is derived from validation from a group of (mostly male) followers and friends who pedastalize you because you're awesome. Like if a gaggle of nerds decide to hit the gym for the first time since it's next door to their DnD gathering... they enter and see you, a jacked dude, who is friendly towards them. His relative alphaness would need no proof, and they would follow him around begging for more lifting advice. (Elaborate example).

You can't act like you're the prize and expect to be treated like it. You actually need to be likeable and have followers. An actual alpha isn't an asshole, he's awesome. He's only an asshole because he doesn't commit.

That said, alphaness is way overhyped. It's a lot of work having retards follow you around who can't make a decision to save their lives. It's a false equivocation of "Being the Alpha" with 'having alpha traits'. Being the Alpha is attractive of course. But having Alpha traits is more important - not being needy, being confident, maintaining frame. To do this in the face of a true Alpha would be death or severe injury, if only from his followers.

If you care about this shit, your goal should be to have a tight-knit group of friends who roam together, who defer to your leadership and excellence, and who impose their will on alll that they see. If you're alone, you're a beta creeper who's trying to seduce a girl quietly, and rejection will always sting - but maybe you think that numbing yourself to it through repeated exposure is alpha. Maybe you think that "abundance mentality" is equivocated with forcing yourself not to feel sadness when a beautiful girl fucks someone else. But now you're just an emotionally-damaged beta. And hey you can call it a strong independent sigma male if you like.

But the point is that even though the Alpha gets 10x the sex anyone below him does, and women are willing to share an Alpha (the 1%), they're also willing to settle for a beta with alpha traits who isn't a little bitch. Which is the next 20%.

Long story short - abundance mentality comes from abundance, not from mentality. Alpha and Beta are statuses, not identities, and status is derived RELATIVE to other human beings. There are no lone-wolf alphas. Women will fuck men on a wide spectrum, you can play to your strengths while improving yourself without obsessing over status. But if you do obsess, base your path on reality, which I guess we're all trying to decipher here on TRP. and if we're really concerned with the Greek alphabet of statuses, consider that beta is higher than the rest of the alphabet, and there is only 1 alpha who is only banging a handful of chicks at any given time.

Half of this is semantics, but our reality and perceptions are based on language easily by more than half.

CrimsonShiv · 2017-06-22T13:53:32+00:00

"They engage their social encounters with girls with everything that TRP teaches them and think they are Alphas and shit"

"They take on the clothes of an Alpha while being a Beta inside ( in the sense that they make women their priority)."

Maybe:

"Fake it til you make it"

josiasx · 2017-06-22T17:41:21+00:00

Thanks OP. When you make the measure of your manhood, your n count, You are stuck in beta mode. Leaving women to be your judge.

The alpha male, is not judged by women, but instead reserves the right to enjoy the nourishment of pussy, at his discretion. Sex, (amoung other things,) is an exchange of vitality. It takes nothing to observe the stronger, faster, healthier gender is male. We have much more to give. And females crave this exchange. They crave the hormones, testosterone of strong, healthy males, coursing through thier blood stream.

When we look for validation of our essence, from a lesser creature, we devalue, and enslave our selves. But when we hold ourselves upright, and proud of who we are, irregardless of female validation, thats when they actually value us.

GuruDev1000 · 2017-06-22T19:37:37+00:00

I have been consistently doing breath meditation for a week after years of fucking around with it. Today, for the first time in my life, when being surrounded by cute girls for my weekly choir practice, I didn't do the alpha monkey dance. I didn't feel bad about not getting any one girl's attention. I didn't feel good about the opposite either. I just let it be. The high of meditation and the immense world within me to discover seemed more interesting at that point.

Just a week of concentration meditation. Fuck.

grewapair · 2017-06-22T21:00:23+00:00

Have standards and enforce them even if it means going cold turkey for a while.

Yep. Last girlfriend was much younger. In the year since she left, I fucked a woman my age and it destroyed my confidence. No women over 30 for at least a decade for me (44 now)

2435734098 · 2017-06-23T00:04:53+00:00

Came here looking for an alpha as fuk monkey dance and my dance moves remain unchanged. Disappointed.

mushroom_overlord · 2017-06-23T09:34:35+00:00

There's a lot of truth to the phrase "fake it 'til you make it." Some people just have to pretend to be alpha before they can be. Once they internalize the IDGAF, dominant attitude they can refine their RP knowledge.

That being said, I do agree with you. However, some people also have to learn the hard way as you did.

Edit: Whoever has a "do not judge them" attitude is fucking stupid though and shouldn't need to learn the hard way. You should judge everyone, especially women. Anyone who doesn't vet their partners is being desperate, lazy, or both.

strikethrough123 · 2017-06-23T13:14:32+00:00

I am by no means claiming to be some alpha stud, but this shit reads "alpha-shaming" with capital letters. Natural betas are all alpha-simulators, and what the fuck is wrong with that? Aren't we all striving to be the best here? What's the problem with a little pretending? If someone's been a chump all there life you want them to stay a chump and remain beta, or man up and start "emulating" alpha behaviors until he internalizes that shit? If I cared for the well being of my fellow man (which I do), I would choose the latter without a doubt in my mind.

I don't want to straw-man here, but the message I got from this post is that betas should remain betas and "real" alphas should remain alphas. TRP is a toolbox to enhance the beta males' life, and a lot of us come out on the other end being very close to the "true"alpha. No "true" alpha would be browsing this sub, he's simply too busy being alpha.

In fact, I would argue that this "enhanced beta" is superior than a natural alpha. Why? Because he has a deeper understanding of the dynamics at play more so than the natural who's just running through the motions as usual without knowing what drives their effectiveness.

If the dude is fucking hot bitches, making a decent amount of money, taking care of his body, and keeping his life together and yet displays some of your alpha dance bullshit, is he alpha or beta? Who gives a shit? He's killin it.

vengefully_yours · 2017-06-23T13:57:19+00:00

You give worthless women undue value by compulsively chasing them without having any standards thereby contributing to the I-have-a-vagina-so- I-am-a-Princess epidemic.

This shit is going to happen regardless of what any of us do. Everything a girl sees and experiences in her life tells her she is worth it, she can do better, she is amazing, she deserves the best. The media, society, the educational system, it all promotes girls even if they do not warrant it.

NeoreactionSafe · 2017-06-22T17:52:40+00:00

Isn't this the same as saying:

PUA isn't the real Red Pill but a cheap imitation of it.

Those that do PUA are pretty much by definition doing the "Monkey Dance".

I'm not in agreement that we need to dump shame on these guys.

Let them fake it all they want.

Monkey see, monkey do.

dandons · 2017-06-23T02:26:04+00:00

I like to think that an alpha is good at everything, not just women. Let's take, for instance, Mozart: He'll write a fantastic opera and then fuck a girl. Or Ben Franklin: He'll get France to support the US in the revolutionary war while fucking a whole lot of French women.

[deleted] · 2017-06-23T00:18:40+00:00

Unfortunately with the rising popularity of RP, we're going to get more of these alpha "emulators".

Title	The Alpha Monkey Dance
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