TheRedPill and Depression.

bobmarley9 · 2014-07-08T03:27:07+00:00

You need to spend time away from things that damage your fragile emotional state, and focus on improving your overall SMV. Get in shape. Try harder to get a job. Avoid dating women because you're lonely and your standards will be low.

You're way behind in the game. You need a little training montage. You need pride. You need something you can be confident about in yourself. You need to know you can achieve something.

I have depression myself. Extreme depression. So bad that I flatline and become a husk far too often. But there are ways to deal with this. The ultimate conquer of sorrows and procrastination comes down to one very simple concept defined by a single word:

Routine.

You need a routine. You need to follow it every day. Your routine is what you rely on. It's what keeps you in the gym when you don't want to go. It's repetition reduces the fear behind any task. It keeps your mind conditioned and focused.

One of the greatest bodybuilders of all time said his secret was focusing on his productivity on a day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute basis. He knew that his efforts would accumulate and one day lead to greatness. Everything in his life was planned down to a science, from his morning ritual to his diet to his travel time and workouts.

I'm not saying you have to go that far, but this man was extremely depressed himself and his routine saved him.

You have low social/sexual market value. You need to create a routine which accumulates positive net results towards a solution.

This is a very ancient and simple concept. Even in Voltaire's classic novel, Candide, when all of the main characters' lives end up in complete shit, the final lesson of the book is that as long as you have a routine with steady work and progress, you can get through anything and find happiness.

Happiness isn't reaching the goal, it's heading towards it.

Pick goals. Set up a routine. Follow that routine.

I recommend exercise to start with and applying to X amount of jobs per week. Pick up a constructive hobby or two. Good luck.

FreakingMonroe · 2014-07-08T03:34:24+00:00

I just got into this sub myself and here is something that helped me comprehend all this. Read. Read it all. Understand where you all, OBJECTIVELY. Good and bad. Once you realize your weaknesses, see how to improve them. You say how you "attempted to lift weights." Does that mean you took a milk jug and lifted it a few times? If you're going to do something, commit. Lift like you're going for gold in the Olympics. But do it SMART. Research online what you want from yourself and follow it. Good luck, and do this for yourself, because you are one of the only people who care about you.

-Tyler_Durden- · 2014-07-08T03:33:26+00:00

Start lifting today. Starting Strength is a good program. Go to /r/Fitness or the bodybuilding.com boards for more advanced advice.
Start eating healthy and more of it. Learn how to cook real food.
Don't fuel your depression with alcohol.
Get good at something, get better at it, then become the best at it and get paid for doing it.
After you get your life into order, learn game and start approaching women on a regular basis. Learn how to deal with rejection properly. After a while you won't give a shit about what people think about you.

Lifting helps with depression; it changes your brain chemistry for the better.

Bonghunter · 2014-07-08T13:02:06+00:00

Everyone has said to start lifting, it's so fucking important. You seem to have no idea about it so I'm going to set you out a plan that is going to get you started and get you results.

I also went to the liberty of working out your caloric and macronutrient needs for your diet.

If you don't know how to perform a lift correctly, type it in on YouTube. I recommend Matt Ogus' channel: flexforall2

Monday:

Deadlift: 5 sets of 5 reps with 60kg (dunno what that is in lbs - Australia brah checking in). If this is too light increase the weight next deadlift day, until you find a weight where you are almost failing by the 5th rep.

Wide grip pull-ups: 5 sets to failure. Go to failure, you are a pretty light guy so do as many as you can, next time you do these try and get an extra rep. Once you can do 5 sets of 12 start adding weight.

Standing barbell bicep curls: 5 sets of 6 reps. Again, use a weight where you are almost failing at the 6th rep.

Tuesday:

Flat barbell bench press: 4 sets of 8 reps. I want you failing by the 8th rep.

Incline dumbell press: 4 sets of 8 reps. Same as above.

Standing overhead press: 4 sets of 8 reps. Same as above.

Seated lateral raises: 4 sets of 10 reps.

Some form of chest fly, personal preference. I recommend a Pec-dec if your gym has one, if not dumbell flys or cable flys will work. 4 sets of 10.

Close grip dips (to work the tricep primarily). 5 sets to failure - I doubt you will be able to do many having just started lifting. Beat what you did the week before and once you can do 5 sets of 12 start adding weight.

Wednesday:

Off

Thursday:

Back squats: 5 sets of 6, failing at 6 once again.

Walking lunges: 4 sets of 8.

Hack squat machine or leg press if your gym doesn't have one: 4 sets of 8.

Hamstring curl machine: slow and controlled and squeeze the fuck out of your hammies: 4 sets of 12.

Seated calf raises: slow and controlled, squeeze and do a full range of motion: 3 sets of 8 and than 3 sets of 12.

Friday: same workout as Monday

Saturday: same workout as Tuesday

Sunday: off

Monday will be Thursdays workout and so on, you won't be doing the same workout on the same day every week. Keep the sequence of 2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off etc.

This is a basic program to get you doing compound movements, fuck doing 20 sets of curls and tricep push downs when you have no mass and no strength to begin with, it's a waste of time and just creates imbalances.

Once you feel you are mastering this workout, and have learnt enough about lifting you will probably begin to question this program and move on to something different. However I would recommend that you do this program for at the very minimum 3 months.

On to your diet...I have worked out your macronutrient and caloric requirements for an aggressive lean muscle phase (bulking brah). Track your weight and if you are putting on 8-9lb a week adjust the calories slightly so you aren't gaining shitloads of fat. Ideally you will be gaining 2lb a week.

Calories: 2773

Protein: 190 grams Carbohydrates: 370 grams Fat: 60 grams Fibre: 30 grams

Buy a fish oil supplement and a multi vitamin and theoretically you can eat whatever foods you want. Clean foods are a myth but if you want to be an idiot and eat fast good every day your face and skin is going to look like shit and you're going to feel like shit. So use restraint and common sense. Eat how you want to feel is something I believe in.

Follow this (after you have used trial and error to get optimum caloric requirements) for 6 months, readjusting your macros every time you begin to plateau in weight gain.

Your metabolism will speed up once it adjusts to the calories so you will have to gradually add to these numbers over the 6 months.

To count my macros I use myfitnesspal, it's an app for iPhone and android.

Get the fuck in the gym, now.

esco_ · 2014-07-08T09:44:33+00:00

I want to preface this reply by saying that if you really think you have depression, then see your GP and ask them to refer you to a clinical psychologist. They will be able to help immensely if this is the case, especially if you are motivated to improve your situation. Otherwise...

im interested in what makes you think it was "severe" depression. This would look something like you refusing to wash, refusing to get up and make any food even though you are starving, shuffling your feet while walking as slowly as an old man, suicidal ideation and (potentially) planning, etc etc

From your post it doesn't sound like you meet criteria for clinical depression. Low mood maybe, persistent depressive disorder at a low level possibly. Certainly not "severe" depression.

With that out of the way, you need to look at the mechanisms that are causing your low mood. If you feel worthless and undesirable, these are things you need to change. Listen to the other comments about getting in shape and becoming a more "valuable" person.

Furthermore, you need to get out and start doing things you used to enjoy (or think you may enjoy). A typical symptom of depression etc is reduced pleasure, like nothing is fun anymore. Get out there and do it anyway, even if it doesnt seem fun (you will need to think of what you can do here). It is important you are still exposed to sources of positive reinforcement even if you arent currently enjoying them, as you get better, they will be fun again.

Lastly, you obviously have a lot of negative thoughts about yourself. At a certain point, this is maladaptive and feeds into a cycle of low mood. You need to be more realistic. For instance, being skinny is not the worst thing in the world. Hardly anybody is routinely fucking hot girls, and many people have small social circles. Part of what a psychologist will do is getting you to reframe your thinking, which will pay dividends. Getting bigger at the gym won't be as effective if you still think of yourself as "ugly, no game, no friends loser" etc

Movonnow · 2014-07-08T04:56:09+00:00

stop focusing on women. this is not about them. the problem is with you. focus on yourself and Forget everything about women. improve your life and then only will some women be wiliing.to be part of it

the-redpillian · 2014-07-08T14:56:04+00:00

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jsl2837 · 2014-07-08T03:42:21+00:00

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What is this?

esco_ · 2014-07-08T08:09:31+00:00

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cascadecombo · 2014-07-08T08:52:53+00:00

I'm not going to stalk your post history because that is more work than I wish to put into this but I will mention a few things that will probably help you.

For one,

"* I am unattractive to girls. (very ugly face, skinny, no "game")"

Is something you can fix, I've seen busted guys with hot girls, just start working on improving your body and talking with more people. Game is simply being able to have a conversation and remaining in control and not allowing anything to break your frame of mind.

I am unsuccessful and unable to even get a part time job.

How are you able to buy girls shit if you have no job?

I'm not fucking hot girls

I get oneites very easy.

I over think my interactions with girls. Getting my hopes up that they "like" me

these are all tied into one thing, girls aren't your endgame. Basically by working on yourself you'll improve your life in general. Build your life into some habits, working out, learning a language or skill, etc etc. When you become skillful in something it starts to effect other parts of your life as well and people notice that.

walked over and treated like shit. Men don't respect me,

Then don't let them walk over you, learn to say no, learn to put time into yourself. Don't say no simply to say no, but don't say yes just because you are free.

niczar · 2014-07-08T12:05:35+00:00

I am depressed because

You're depressed because you're depressed, and your little hamster is coming up with bullshit reasons. I know, I've been there, for a long time.

You need to treat that shit with science-based medicine. Exercise helps, but when you're depressed, exercising is very hard to get into. CBT is proven to work.

Drugs are proven to work, but:

the most prescribed antidepressants don't work that well.
SSRIs destroy your sex drive and are really mostly effective for some form of anxiety (OCD), not bona fide depression.
Antipsychotics adjunct therapy is the flavor of the month but doesn't work, plus it makes you fat and can cripple you. Literally.
Anticonvulsants adjuncts work a little bit better but can have deadly side effects, though not as bad as useless antipsychotics.
stimulants along with antidepressants work well, especially for atypical depression, as far as I can tell better than other combinations, but the drug war is denying it to patients who need it. Even getting methylphenidate (Ritalin), a drug that's been prescribed without the slightest problem for over 60 years to dozens of millions children over a decade or more, is nearly impossible, simply because you could use it to party through the night.
similarly safe, efficient molecules such as amineptine have been withdrawn because they were stimulant and were abused in something like a dozen cases by cocaine addicts. None died, even though they were taking something like 100 times the normal dose.
if you have treatment resistant depression, after a year or more, you should strongly consider MAOIs. Most docs are afraid of them, but in fact, as long as you follow the diet (no aged cheese, preserved meat and the likes), they are actually less dangerous than the useless shit they typically prescribe. They have a neuroprotective effect, lowering the risk of Parkinson's for example, whereas the useless, onerous antipsychotics they prescribe like candy can cause Parkinon's like effects (tardive diskynesia). They're out of patent

As soon as you get better, you should start exercising. Find something you can do easily without having to plan or anything.

2014-07-08T15:36:04+00:00

Post a pic of yourself, let's come up with an appearance game plan. I will try my best to help you out in becoming more attractive.

TeasingPenguin · 2014-07-09T10:18:12+00:00

Go get your testosterone levels checked just incase. No harm in checking and it's usually free and fast but your weight sounds low as well as emotional issues. If there is a problem you can get treatment

bobbyontario · 2014-07-09T14:23:02+00:00

Dude I was with you a year ago, but at age 27. Still got miles to go, but the baseline average day is unimaginable compared to just a year ago. Others have said everything I'd share, but keep pushing forward and you can make it. Parting thought: consistency over intensity -Bruce Lee

StinkyDiaper · 2014-12-21T21:18:41+00:00

One simple starter exercise - something you may have trouble with: eye contact. Start making solid eye contact with everyone, men and women, if you don't already.

You're going to make many, many small changes to your life that will add up in a large way. You're gonna be fine, and you'll even land a gf someday.

aresta · 2014-07-08T04:39:43+00:00

First of all make sure you have a good diet, depression can come from shitty things happening in your life, and it can also come if you aren't getting enough micro nutrients. Make sure you are eating vegetables and fruits.

Second, find someone you know that does lift, and by lift dead lifts and squats as well. Ask to join them also check out /r/fitness.

Third from what you said, you are 5 '11 and White, this right here you seem to be in good shape, check out this thread I made a while back called Tips to Maximize your SMV.

Fourth, go fuck an ugly chick. There is a girl right now that wants your dick trust me. If you are looking at blonde Hbbs in yoga pants you probably aren't going to do too well. Go fuck a black/Asian girl, it won't be hard and build your confidence up.

IamAwaken · 2014-07-09T16:23:16+00:00

I really don't think you've read the side bar. It's very important that you do because we speak a different language here that looks like English. That's all a trick though and most of this will be misunderstood until you fully comprehend the side bar. I know it sucks and takes like a week to read so if you can't manage that reading it's no problem just understand that you won't understand. Which is your real problem.

orvken1 · 2014-07-08T04:54:56+00:00

hi im new too. what is game?

Title	TheRedPill and Depression.
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Date	July 8, 2014 3:16 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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