TRP and Age

SearchingForAFamily · 2015-07-22T23:07:03+00:00

Late 40's here, and I'm not going to say that I understand TRP yet - literally just discovered it the last couple weeks - but that Red Pill sure is sitting there on the table and because I have started to read and digest what I see around here I'll go so far as to say that I'm gonna swallow that damn thing whole in a moment or 2 more. :)

I've been off and on reddit under a few different usernames, but look at my current username (In my own defense - chosen, pre-TRP) and tell me who I am?

Haha, yes...99% of you will undoubtedly swiftly recognize by that username a dedicated, dyed-in-the-wool, lifelong, beta wimp casper milquetoast. Who else is gonna choose such a name?

Searching, indeed.

I have most definitely WASTED the ENTIRETY of my prime 'dating years' trying to be what my Mom taught me to be around women - a nice guy, a 'hold-the-door-open-for-ladies' guy, a 'lay-the-greatcoat-over-the-muddy-puddle-in-the-road' guy, a touchy, feely, willing-to-cry, 'invest all my love in you', 'cry on my shoulders', support my woman to the fullest extent possible, and self-sacrifice & subsume all of my own wants/needs/desires 'in order to make my partner happy' kinda guy.

Except that I never had a partner, not really.

That Beta/'Female-First' philosophy did irreparable harm both to my psyche, my skills with women, and my chances of getting laid - to say nothing of having any truly meaningful or fulfilling relationships with the opposite sex.

I went through high school never having gone out on a date, never went to the prom, only interacted with a couple of the geeky girls I met in class. I wasn't ugly either...even a bit above-average. I would say I was a 7/10 in the looks department in my prime and due to a variety of sports and general athleticism I had not a single ounce of extra fat on my bod until long after University. 2 a day plus iron - I was fit both muscles and cardio.

Didn't matter though, becuase I was TIMID, TERRIFIED, and a LOSER with women.

By some fortuitous stroke of the trickster universe - I managed to lose my virginity at 17, but ONLY because this one chick (aggressive, slutty, wicked intelligent) decided she had to have me. To this day, I have no idea why she did such a thing - pity maybe - I knew her vaguely, she came on strong and we did the deed, then I never saw her again after the deed was done.

Anyway, move forward to University: No dates, no party life whatsoever, just studies and hanging out with my bros. My training in women (from Mom) told me to just standby, keep waiting, 'you cant hurry love' - the right woman would someday come along.

Then I was out of University and in the working world. Making excellent $$, moving from city to city through my late 20's pursuing said filthy lucre, but now letting my body go just a little. Not enough to be considered fat, but not super trim like I was in HS. But now I had $$, nice digs, nice car, a boat - would that not prove I was a man worth pursuing?

Nope. Had a few girlfriend for a few months at a time...but they always lost interest and left. I was too clingy, to needy, and my last 'GF' of that era in my life cheated on me and left for a boat appraiser. (His name might have been Chad. ;)

Fast forward a few more years - early 30's - and $$ still piling up but getting desperate. Mom pestering me for grandkids, so I felt I had to get my act together. Tried the bar scene, no luck. Tried dating websites (or their early Internet equivalents) ...a few dates, no sex, no long term luck.

I even tried the 'mail order bride' thing, but despite a few halfhearted snail mail & email exchanges with hot Thais...never could get the bad taste out of my mouth - if I showed up at work insta-married to a Thai chick, my coworkers would laugh their asses off, and when the lady's residency requirement was met I knew the divorce would be instantaneous.

Soooo...no marriage, no kids.

So now mid 40's. Literally, TEN YEARS with no sex. Ya believe that? Can you understand what that does to a guy? (heh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WWOnBWxNfYM )

So I finally say FUCK THIS SHIT & proceed to convert a metric shit-ton of my spare $$ into escorts. High end escorts, GORGEOUS ladies who were able to massage my ego, get me off in a bazillion incredible ways, and finally make me feel like a man.

Of course, even though I was a kid in a candy store and loving it, I knew that kind of 'relationship' is not sustainable. The ladies I met were (suprisingly) the genesis of the realization that what I had been taught by my Mom was wrong Wrong WRONG!

Perhaps it was becuase they were mostly very honest (albeit mercenary) about their interest in me, and they were also honest about their motivations, needs, and thus with their advice to me. They were the first people to tell me: "..., you know why you dont get with civilian women? Its becuase YOU ACT LIKE A WOMAN!..."

They would sometimes drag me to a clothing store and pick out stuff that they thought looked sexy on me. Apparently my t-shirts and jeans just dont do it for a lady, who knew? lol.

They would roll over in bed & grab my tummy fat, give it a pinch, then jiggle it and say "SEE, Lose this weight boy!! Get back in shape dummy!!!", and then get into doggy-style and tell me to give their ass a 'smack' and take CHARGE for once! Believe it or not, my fave escort at the time even told me that (though she appreciated the $$) ...that I was just being stupid, that I should stop with the working girls and get back into the open market. (such a sweetheart she was ;)

And now its today, and in the process of 'getting back into the open market', stumbled onto TRP. Where i go from here, well....we shall see. I have a lot of reading, and a lot of self-improvement work to do now.

But at least I (think) I am now going to get back on track.

Dunno what I hoped to say or prove here, just getting it all off my chest I guess.

Thanks for reading all of this, and wish me luck. :)

bites red pill

swallows

aaaahhhhhhhh! :)

Njncguy · 2015-07-22T21:17:56+00:00

Lol ... Having discovered TRP at age 62 is still beneficial. I really -- I mean REALLY --- wish I could go back in time to when I was so young at 30.

ShitfacedBatman · 2015-07-22T21:59:46+00:00

Age 39 and now I'm 42. And you feel like you wasted time? Eish. I've got some things going for me though. I look young, I have a full head of hair, I'm in reasonable shape (but could be better), I'm not fat, I never married, I never had kids, and I did get some sex in my blue pill days though obviously not as much as I wanted.

I'm about 70% MGTOW/monk-mode and 30% PUA mode. Here's what I'd stick to if I were you:

Don't mess with:

Women older than you.
Women that are post-wall.
Women that don't want kids (they're harder to seduce).
Women that have kids.
Swingers.
Feminists (that's a no-brainer).
Sex industry girls. (Strippers, call girls, etc.)

Instead, seek out:

Women that are younger than you.
Pre-wall women.
Women that don't have children but want them (they're easier to seduce).
Submissive women.

A lot of this is demographics. Don't waste your time with women that don't meet your criteria. A lot of guys in the Seduction community waste a lot of time with throwbacks, meaning women that should literally be thrown back into the pile. They waste time because they're out for bedpost notches and they define their masculinity by quantity more than quality.

One other thing, cut back on alcohol. I think the elephant in the room for men is alcohol and the reason men drink is probably more simple and shared by all men than men want to give it credit for. It's a twofold reason: boredom and fear of death. You're bored so you drink to cure it. And you don't want to die without feeling like you got at least a consolation prize so you give yourself a little something - meaning 3 or 4 drinks every night. Cutting back on drinking means you're going to have to face boredom and your fear of death. But the longterm rewards for facing boredom and your fear of death are far better than the short-term alcohol-cure-all. Alcohol is basically sugar for adults - adults who are having a hard time growing up. And like all sugar, it'll make you fat and put you on the path to prediabetes and actual diabetes. Fuck that.

jvosh1 · 2015-07-23T03:36:42+00:00

Turning 38, discovered TRP a year ago.

It is only "wasted time" if you weren't chasing your goals. If you were naive about women and what they are really like before trp and feel like you missed out on some fun, you still have plenty of time. Women will always be around. Now you are armed with the tools to see them for what they are.

I have no idea what your situation is like, but look around. Most of my friends got married at 25ish and now have multiple kids, mortgage, debt and a gut to go with it. Knowing what you know now, you are indeed ahead of the game if you didn't want this fate.

In university, I lived with two guys who did nothing but chase ass. So much so, that it seemed their identity was tied to getting laid, but as good as that was the amount of BS/drama that went on in the house was a constant headache. (one actually dropped out 2x)

I guess i just never gave a shit, I just lifted, smoked weed, worked in a lab and programmed computers until I graduated. I had gfs here and there, but mostly it was a distraction.

Fast forward to now, because of TRP I am able to see that women in my age demographic are mostly used up/chasing a BB. I am also taking time to put myself first. If anything TRP taught me how to cultivate confidence, discipline, and self-respect.

If I could go back and discover TRP at your age, I would have spent more time learning how to maintain frame/controlling emotions.
Mindset is critical to so much more that I had ever believed.

Mobrowncheeks · 2015-07-22T21:33:09+00:00

Well im 19. I guess im right on time

calloberjig · 2015-07-23T00:59:09+00:00

Rollo has addressed this in detail in his blog: http://therationalmale.com/2015/04/24/the-reckoning/

In particular, I draw your attention to the SMV chart. Notice that a man peaks at 35 years old. Time is on your side my friend. https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/smv_curve1.jpg

vengefully_yours · 2015-07-23T17:07:47+00:00

I'm 46, learned how to get laid in my teens, before most members here were born. Red pill distilled my game, identified the things I had been doing wrong while reinforcing the things I did right.

If I'd had the wealth of information that's here back when I was getting it for the first time, I wouldn't have made so many mistakes, wouldn't be divorced twice, and would probably have doubled my 100+ notch count without all the expensive bullshit. I'd have banged hotter girls too.

It's only too late when you're dead. Three years ago I battled a chemical exposure that left me unable to breathe, and subsequently my weight rose to 299lbs. I've been down to 250 since then, and am gaining muscle mass still. Right now im between 265 and 275, body fat is dropping and girls gawk at me despite being thick. Muscle weighs more than fat, I have some fat, but not like I did at 299.

I've been fucking girls between 18 and 43, most are 18-30, the old chick is crazy amounts of fun, very submissive, and makes more money than I do so I don't need to support her. She also looks about 28. The rest are thin girls, most would say 7s, and that's fine with me. Old, gimped from war, 5'8 so not tall, gray hair and beard, very heavy, but heavily muscled with great game. Life is fun now. In my 20s I had a hard time banging 20 somethings, now they come to me.

NightGod · 2015-07-23T00:04:46+00:00

41, discovered the concepts ~10 years ago, soon after my divorce. It's made me a better father and role model to both of my children (one daughter, one son) and also made me realize the bullet I dodged by getting out of my marriage when I did.

If I had discovered it at 19, I likely wouldn't have my ass-kicking kids, so I have zero regrets about my timing.

EvolvingRedneck · 2015-07-22T23:16:40+00:00

Found TRP beginning of this year at 42. BP most my life. But what can be expected raised in a house of the valkyries (single mom, grandmother, sister). I have regrets as do most people. But with help from TRP, I am getting rid of my regrets. After all what are regrets but things you wish you had done. So start doing things (leave your comfort zone) and your regrets will turn into stories. What I would tell my 30 y.o. self is nothing. It is what it is. Time spent wishing is time wasted.

brandonmajor83 · 2015-07-23T00:00:06+00:00

Now I'm 20 and I discovered TRP in May 2015. I accidentally found it and it came in handy because i was doing a whole year of not worrying girls. So far i got to say i have learned a lot and became more insightful

UrsusG · 2015-07-23T00:23:01+00:00

I was totally Disney blue until around age 25. Then I gradually self-discovered TRP (defined as "the truth(s) about male-female relationships") until around age 30, mostly by comparing personal experience with stuff I read about evolution, biology, sociology, etc.

By the time I found this reddit and other manosphere places (Rollo, Chateau, etc.) around three years ago (I'm 41) there wasn't anything new to learn, but Rollo's writings did a great job systematizing what I already knew.

Chuckwagon1645 · 2015-07-23T01:08:05+00:00

I discovered the red pill at 24. Luckily for me, the military mandates a lot of red pill concepts so I was forced to keep clean and lean since I was 18.

iamanalterror · 2015-07-23T10:41:02+00:00

I'm 23. Yup, I'm a young buck.

On the topic of age:

"Men age like fine wine. Women age like sour grapes".

Chopin_ · 2015-07-23T14:11:44+00:00

25->26 So just about the right time, nah brah I think that we're still pretty early.

Imagine if it was too soon, like when you're 19 and don't know what to do with it and then in 5 years you'd be like "this shit didn't work for me, it was stupid" it's better this way. You can appreciate it properly now.

Source1311 · 2015-07-22T22:08:26+00:00

You can still bang young women? What have you missed out on?

Dueperdue · 2015-07-23T06:02:11+00:00

21 y/o here. I guess I am still on time.

herbalism · 2015-07-23T06:10:35+00:00

I will be 30 in 2 months so I'm a little late to the red pill, but I feel like I've always held a lot of RP beliefs throughout my life. I had 3 sisters growing up so I was outnumbered by women in my family and learned not to put up with their bullshit from an early age.

However, I was always a bit shy around girls and usually let them come to me instead of pursuing. This had mixed results, with a few girlfriends and hook ups over the years, but also a lengthy dry spell from age 23-26 (living with my parents). Then, with few employment options and no luck with the ladies, I said fuck it and moved to China. WOW did that change my life. Being reasonably attractive (blonde hair, blue eyes, lean, average height) both expat and Chinese girls were throwing themselves at me. Literally the first night I was there I had an American girl offer me sex.

I spent 2 years there and I had more success with women than the rest of my life combined. I was expecting Asian women to be more reserved when it came to sex, but this wasn't the case at all. Most of the women I met were 7-9's and they would sleep with me within hours of meeting. I admit living in Asia is easy mode when it comes to game, but who cares? After seeing more Chinese pussy than Genghis Khan, it transformed me into full blown red pill. I finally had the abundance mentality and now that I've returned to the states I've realized I don't really need women to be happy with myself. Just the fact that I can get women if I want is enough.

Also, after seeing how amazing foreign women are and coming back to the US I realize how abysmal the quality of women is here. It's fucking depressing. 60% are overweight or obese, they are completely brainwashed with feminist bullshit and most have been with a staggering amount of men. I could rant for probably another few paragraphs, but you get the point.

TL;DR: If you aren't getting laid in your home country, get your ass overseas and see what you're missing. Oh yeah, lift, apply TRP, and all that of course :)

T4-FLow · 2015-07-23T12:58:55+00:00

I got TRP recommended by a friend about 1year and half ago. I'm 16 almost 17 now. I have improved a lot started to hit the gym hard about 6times a week and my social status has improved I'm kind of "famous" where I live and that's about it I think.

Sir_Distic · 2015-07-23T18:10:39+00:00

43 here. I discovered TRP a few months ago. I swallowed the pill on July 2nd. Began unplugging. I wish I'd found TRP 20 years ago. Back when I was successful with women and in thinner shape. I'm by no means fat, just soft from 15 years of the most depressing, passive life imaginable.

But that's over. Done. I swallowed the pill hard. Like a blonde at a frat party.

See here's the thing. 2 months ago the plant I worked at announced it was closing. So I was getting laid off. I started reading TRP to become better. On July 2nd I'd had enough. Now being 43 and not dating for 3 years I was well past the anger stage. At least at women. With 2 weeks to go til my job ended I dropped to the floor and did a pushup. In my mind I thought "I'm getting better." It was an unconscious thought. So I did 9 more thinking the same thing. Now with being laid off 6days ago I've had plenty of time to work out. Both mind and body. I'm feeling stronger and more muscular, and even look it, both physically and mentally.

I still have a long, hard road ahead of me. I know this. But no matter what happens I know 2 things everything good and bad I have is my own doing. No one else is to blame/credit. And 2, women are enjoyable but will not ever slow me down or stop me.

A little more back story, I moved from Mass. to New Mexico because a woman convinced me to at 28, then to Memphis when we split, I spent 9 unhappy years in Memphis alone mostly. When I met my last ex I ignored her red flags and moved in with her in a tiny town in rural Arkansas. We split and I've been here since.

I'm planning on moving back to New England for ME. No one else. And the job loss, plus very small severance check, is giving me the time and motivation to do it.

I'll continue to unplug, read, work out and grow better every day.

Stay strong my brothers. TRP.

Neroky · 2015-07-24T20:18:38+00:00

I was 15 when I discovered PUA, but discovered TRP at 20 this year. I want to built a solid foundation as early as possible! Though I still have a lot to learn.

maddox45 · 2015-07-25T15:13:58+00:00

I'm 45 and swallowed the red pill about a year ago. Its still digesting and this forum has helped tons. Especially in my current marriage. Red pill wisdom is the shit, and it is the truth, and it works. Wish I could have found this in my teens. I would not have the regrets I carry now. Thanks bro's, I'm learning alot and advising others to step up.

leodoestheopposite · 2015-07-31T13:24:18+00:00

Early 50's here, discovered TRP about 2 years ago, and I could not be happier.

moneyandsexislife · 2015-07-22T21:40:28+00:00

Unless if you're an ephebophile, you've only lost time.

Testosterone doesn't start dropping by significant amounts until about 40 or 50, and you can put that off with low body fat, high protein diets, and lots of anaerobic exercise like lifting, so it's going to feel about the same as it did at 14. If those fail, get testosterone replacement injections and use Viagra.

If you're into super young girls, go to a country where it's legal.

Once I became sexually satisfied, I stopped thinking about stuff like this, and the bitterness dissipated.

Frothyogreloins · 2015-07-23T10:22:49+00:00

I was thrown out of high school for being a drug dealer, I used to get a lot of air headed sluts but I couldn't understand why they l stopped flocking to me after I got busted and quit. I got feels on a girl and then that fucked me up even further. I saw this place and decided to internalize it and started working out and making myself more valued amongst women. I have always been considered "very attractive" (6'1-6'2, 200lbs with lowish body fat and muscular) yet unable to quite get a women that wasn't high/drunk; but you wonderful wizards have showed me the light. I may occasionally get a little blue pillish but the companionship here and the fact that this is a truly scientific approach to learning about what it means to be more than just a ladies man but a useful human being is one of the best things ever. Thank you guys. This place actually fucking worked and I don't believe it.

Title	TRP and Age
Author	Socrate_wesh
Upvotes	13
Comments	39
Date	July 22, 2015 9:11 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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