Natural Alpha Traits - Sources

IRunYourRiver · 2018-08-27T13:23:37+00:00

I know how much alpha traits are promoted here and for good reason. Probably if you found TRP it was because of your beta behaviors and so it makes sense that your alpha is in need of some help. But when you read NMMNG and Athol Kay, among others, they will state or imply that what you really need is a mixture of alpha & beta traits that maximize your value in a relationship. Do I have this right?

helaughsinhidden · 2018-08-27T15:56:58+00:00

Where exactly do you feel the strongest influence of alpha and beta traits cam from in your life?

From a christian perspective, I think the biblical account makes a lot sense to me. Men were basically created to be the leaders. It's in our DNA. Intertwined in our very being to lead, be strong, be brave, get a wife that turns us on, grunt, sweat, and do "manly" stuff. It's why we don't need to be taught to like characters like Samson and David in the bible or John Wayne and Arnie in the movies. We naturally find them admirable and want to be like them. However, we have fears built in too and self doubt that if we give into it will bring about beta behavior too.

Beta/Omega presented itself in the garden as well and so did hypergamy.

Let's talk hypergamy first since my example is in our spiritual and biological make up. Eve had literally the BEST man in the world, lived in the BEST place in the world, had zero competition for food, for her man, or her position. She also had zero social/peer pressure or options to monkey branch too. This girl had everything she could ever imagine supplied to her (hypergamy floats!). There is only ONE thing she can't have. Snake comes along and with a pretty weak sales pitch and she hamsters up the conclusion that.... she need to upgrade! No one needed to teach her how, to covet, she just falls for the old "What could I have that's better than what I have now?" plot. Hypergamy in Genesis chapter 3.

You asked about alpha though, so let's ask the question "Where was Adam?"

Well, Adam was right there the whole time. Like a beta in the club watching his girl chatting up Chad, he's there watching her talk to this snake. Probably nursing his drink, looking at the door, looking at his watch, checking his phone, and just kind of waiting for the opportunity to say, "this is boring, lets go home". Being passive and letting it play out way longer than he should. See, no one taught him the cuck behavior, he just lets it happen all by himself. Adam was placed in charge of the garden, not Eve. It was his job alone to make sure that fruit wasn't eaten and was the leader of the only woman on earth. Adam knew death was eminent if they ate it, just like you know if your girl is talking up the AMOG you will be cucked. So, he does nothing as they talk, as she reaches for the fruit, and nothing as she takes a bite. Then she hands it to him and he follows HER lead like a blue pill beta male. This is a man born without "sin" in his DNA like everyone since. The Red Pill vs Blue Pill was in Adam since day one.

The aftermath is even worse too.

First he hides and tries to avoid responsibility. It gets even worse to as he defend and excuse himself to God (DEERing!). When God calls him out and asks him what happened and he blame shifts to Eve and God in the same breath. Gen 3:12 "The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.”. He places the blame on God for giving him Eve and on Eve for giving him the fruit, but he knew better and was there the whole time it unfolded watching, and not from the closet either.

The fallout after the event.

Adam (and all of us), now have to work to get food and compete to get a woman. It was easy street before and I think we still long for those days when you just eat anything it's all good.

It got worse for Eve too. Part of the curse is that PMS is added to the human cycle along with pain in childbirth and the DESIRE FOR HER HUSBAND. This isn't attraction, it's control. This is where the woman is first cursed with the want to rule over her man if she is able. It doesn't say the words shit test or comfort test, but you will see that these things are unique to the human experience. So is pain in child birth, pms, and the strange desire to flip the script.

Good and evil. Hunter and gatherer. Fight or flight. Sales or support. Alpha or beta. Many people have posited the duality of man in many ways. This is simply another. In all of us is the alpha and beta. We were created to exemplify positive masculinity and we naturally desire to be the red pill, but the self doubt, laziness, fear and our fallen nature causes us to get desperate and sink to blue pill beta male strategies for love, life, career, parenting, competition, conflict, fighting, and battle.

CoachDad9 · 2018-08-27T13:40:39+00:00

I remember my dad telling my mom during an argument, "If you dont like the way I do things, get the hell out of my house and good luck on your own." He wasn't upset, just reminding her of reality. He was the the most stoic guy I've ever met and his frame was like a vortex. Still is. My childhood friends grew up in similar households so those behaviors were reinforced everywhere I went. I often heard my friend's fathers say things such as, "Go make some food, it's time for the men to talk." I never heard the word chauvinist until college as their wives didn't seem to mind. In fact my mom to this day hates men who are weak or subservient and is outwardly vocal about it. Consequently I've never struggled with too much beta.

My being called an asshole, jerk and selfish chauvinist started when I was in college and hasn't stopped since. I find it increasingly difficult to find male friends who can say no to their wives. Even my old buddies have become full on betas who text their wives every 2 hours when we're fishing or camping.

My being a Christian, church is where I find the highest density of betas. From my men's Bible study group to the elders and deacons of my church, they rarely crack open the Bible without spewing some feminist propaganda and guilt men into thinking anything other than being an emotional tampon for their wife is sinning (I just wrote a post about this on RPC). Consequently, I don't have too many friends in our church. The exception seems to be older guys 50+ who think the feminist stuff is total crap and we get along great.

innominating · 2018-08-27T13:50:19+00:00

What contributed to you needing TRT at age 33?

Rian_Stone · 2018-08-27T14:48:38+00:00

It's ok Cornelius, you can cry now

man_in_the_world · 2018-08-27T15:41:59+00:00

This kind of speculation and self-delusion for ego reinforcement isn't productive. Your efforts are better spent killing your ego rather than masturbating it.

How do we know this is all about ego reassurance? Three paragraphs hamstering about your amazing natural alphaness as a youth, then no reflection on the beta that brought you here:

Now, beta traits. I don’t feel the need to go into detail, but let me say they are surely there. Mostly emotional. The way I’ve handled them. Kinda still identifying those at the moment.

Masturbation is an activity best conducted in private.

Persaeus · 2018-08-27T17:50:36+00:00

i would say being physically and mentally tested brought out my alpha traits

listening to women, and more than anything sheer laziness, brought out the beta traits.

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