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If men are the gatekeepers of commitment, why does a breakup usually take a much bigger toll on the man than the woman?

StarDestinyGuy

December 26, 2014
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Title If men are the gatekeepers of commitment, why does a breakup usually take a much bigger toll on the man than the woman?
Author

StarDestinyGuy

Upvotes 10
Comments 22
Date December 26, 2014 5:28 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/askTRP
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/2qf98u/if_men_are_the_gatekeepers_of_commitment_why_does/
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Comments

[–]1RPSigmaStigma38 points39 points40 points 11 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

Being the gatekeepers of commitment goes hand in hand with being the committed sex in general.

Women guard (gatekeep) their sex because it's valuable to them. Taking that by force, or devaluing it afterwords (i.e., pump-n-dump, etc) is one of the worst things that can happen to them.

Men guard their commitment for the same reason. Men treat a breakup in a similar way that a woman treats the pump-n-dump player. Men have the loyalty instinct. A man's love is sacrificial. Men are the romantic sex.

A woman's love is self-serving. She loves you because of the way you make her feel. If she's dumping you, it's because the feels are gone, and thus so is the love -- at least for her. However, if you dump her while she still has feels for you, that's when you get an alpha widow. But that's not usually how it goes. Usually, even if the man does the breaking up, it's probably long after she's already "checked out" of the relationship and the man was holding on too long anyway (again, because loyalty, commitment).

[–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just as an aside to anyone who talks about men cheating more than women.

That's a straight up lie.

Women are just better at not getting caught. Partly because of the hamster and partly because most guys are beta and don't even know it.

[–]8675309c 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

somebody give this guy a Man Point

[–]kingofpoplives2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men treat a breakup in a similar way that a woman treats the pump-n-dump player.

This.

There isn't any consistency here. A man getting burned from a break up (giving commitment, getting nothing back) is equivalent to a woman getting burned by casual sex (giving sex, getting nothing back).

[–]JackGetsIt2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She loves you because of the way you make her feel

And she get's that feel because your SMV is higher than hers. If you do something to lower your SMV or make is appear lower the feels decrease. If you do something to up SMV or perception her feels increase. Which is what makes marriage such a bitch. You've gotta keep those feels high for decades which is nearly impossible unless you're making some crazy raises at work and have some great dread game. Great write up RPSigmaStigma.

[–]Mypersonalwaterloo 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Don't men love women because of the way they make them feel as well? What's the contrary?

[–]1RPSigmaStigma1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

"Men believe in love for the sake of love, women love opportunistically."

[–]beerthroway0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So, men as gatekeepers of commitment being the committed gender, that must make women the more sexual creatures as gatekeepers of sex?

I don't remember who said it but someone on TRP said men need sex like we need food, it's a biological drive that is insanely high and that's all we think about until we get it and when we are kind of bored with it once we have it. Drive -> satisfied. Commitment is our real concern. A high SMV man is thinking where he's going to spend his time.

Could the inverse with women and sex be substituted in the above paragraph and be correct? Do women need commitment at a biological level for security but all they think about in their day is how to control or deal out sex?

[–]1RPSigmaStigma1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that must make women the more sexual creatures as gatekeepers of sex?

No, because women are more guarded about their sex. Men are the ones seeking sex. Women are seeking commitment, but the difference is they want to receive commitment, but only from a high value man.

However, this is pretty spot on:

women need commitment at a biological level for security but all they think about in their day is how to control or deal out sex

Yep. That's why women will almost invariably at some point in a relationship attempt to withhold sex in order to test his commitment. It makes her feel validated. However, if she "wins" this test, especially on a repeat basis, she'll lose respect for you, because she'll realize it means you don't have options and eventually it'll validate her too much and she'll start to feel like she's above you.

That's why RP theory in LTRs recommends a healthy balance of alpha and beta traits. You need to give her just enough validation so she doesn't feel like you're so far above her that she's going to lose you, but you still need to stay a few steps ahead of her so she still feels like she has to "earn" you from time to time.

This is especially true in marriage, where she has a legal advantage, and why so many men experience the bait and switch after getting married. Suddenly she doesn't feel like she has to dole out the sex to keep you any more because she can legally extort financial commitment from you regardless of how little she puts out. That's why marriage is RP on hard mode, and why TRP generally advises against getting married.

Anyway, that was a longer rant than I meant, but hopefully it makes sense.

[–]smokingmonkey420 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So THATS how you make an Alpha widow. Makes so much sense now. Thanks for that.

[–]the_Milkweed17 points18 points19 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because women have options no matter what happens to the relationship. Men realize they have to work for everything they had all over again.

There are a million reasons

[–]RedHeimdall6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's always got dudes waiting in the wings... If no replacement relationship prospects, then at least beta orbiters ready to provide the shoulder she needs to cry on and to tell her how amazing she is and how she deserves so much better.

[–]Polorutz4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There was a post somewhere about the evolutionary psychology reasons behind this. It has a lot to do with Stockholm Syndrome.

Women in the past would try and snag Grarg the Alpha, society being a brutal thing would mean that more than likely Grarg would die in battle or hunting so Women had to be able to keep functioning after the alpha wasn't there anymore.

Moreover, she probably has to keep raising the kids after he's gone and the best way to do that is to reconnect to another Alpha (or Beta) and start a new relationship.

Then, it's also a survival mechanism, when a rival tribe would win the war they would normally kill or enslave all the men, women had to learn to create new bonds with the victors and to emotionally disconnect from the old partner in order to ensure survival. Stockholm Syndrome.

[–]alpha_n3rd2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah although women used to die a lot more as well, particularly during childbirth.

[–]JackGetsIt2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if this doesn't factor in as well. A biological sense of possible death. Knowing there's a good chance you will die and the community has to raise your baby would be a huge motivator to just fuck an alpha instead of finding someone you get along with or even someone with money.

[–]Abadalt1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it may be because women always have options for more men offering time, while men don't usually have that lined up for them.

So, for the top 10% men this is never a problem and they move on quickly as well.

[–]ben0wn4g30 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm able to move on quickly but I've still been utterly broken from a relationship ending even if its only a week or 2.

[–]alpha_n3rd0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Lack of abundance mentality

*I think lack of practice also plays into it. I'm going to extrapolate from my own experiences and guess that most guys who take a breakup hard probably haven't been through many breakups; haven't realized that AWALT.

[–]ConfidenceMatters0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only men with scarcity mentality get hurt in breakups.

If you're a Man and charming, bouncing from a breakup can easily be done within the half-hour.

[–]drqxx0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

BECAUSE:

You let it.

[–]creatineboss 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women are in more natural abundance then men. In addition, I believe that because women are more in tune with their emotions and more used to dealing with them; they are able to overcome them much easier.

[–]alpha_n3rd0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct. All women have to do to get laid is say yes.

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