Is it really the case that charisma doesn't matter compared to looks? Or is this a hyperbole?

BusterVadge · 2018-07-09T12:47:43+00:00

It seems like there's a new wave of red pill guys talking on youtube and forums saying it all comes down to your appearance and height

Those aren't red pill guys. They're incel fanboys.

You need some degree of both, but a lot of one and a medium amount of the other will get you laid like tile.

martianartisan · 2018-07-09T12:52:38+00:00

Game will always trump looks, and charisma is part of game. I'm attractive as well and I've rarely pulled pussy off looks alone. It only helps you get noticed more.

redhawkes · 2018-07-09T13:07:33+00:00

Charisma and confidence are the core elements of the game.

Looks will open the door, but game will gets you in.

Don't listen to that incel aspie horseshit, they are just whiny bitches who're going to drag you down with them like a crabs in a bucket.

I can see this bullshit spreading around here at TRP and we all know where it comes from. Stay away from the losers.

SMV (Game, Looks, Status, Money), maximize all of them and be the best version of yourself.

Imalwaysrightred · 2018-07-09T13:46:36+00:00

For initial attraction looks matter. Past that you need game to keep the attraction going. In the long run, game is more important.

OddBalance · 2018-07-09T12:39:24+00:00

The better you look the less charisma you need. Sometimes I can tell a girls made the decision that she wants to fuck me before we’ve even spoken. Even though I’m not the smoothest talker, all I have to do at that point is just not fuck up which isn’t too hard. That being said the opposite is also true: the more the charismas you have the less physical attractiveness you need

Gravel_Roads · 2018-07-09T12:46:31+00:00

Good looks will give you access to more doors of opportunity. It's charisma that opens them and keeps them open. Your looks just kind of sit there on your face, they're the first thing that will lose novelty in a relationship. Have something inside your head, too.

FlyingSexistPig · 2018-07-09T14:23:05+00:00

I have a friend who is a 1. Really. He’s unfortunate looking. But he is a fantastic conversationalist. He can talk to you about anything. He is smart and a great of friend.

But he’s not getting laid any time soon. Even the fat( not curvy, not plump, but fat with no boobs) chicks aren’t throwing him any.

Chicks want you to look hot so that they can be seen with a guy who is hot. He’s not a person, he’s an object.

empatheticapathetic · 2018-07-09T14:28:11+00:00

If you don’t have girls receptive to your looks you aren’t going to have many opportunities for you to flex any charisma.

Each girl has a looks threshold. You have to pass that threshold to even qualify as a potential prospect. Once you pass you can range from a 1-10 and your charisma can be the gear that moves you in either direction.

Preselection is like using a cheat code. If you can engineer some fake or even real pre selection/dread, you can get a lot further than without it.

For a hot guy, pre selection is assumed.

As-You-Were · 2018-07-09T14:17:24+00:00

To an extent. You can be as charming as you like but if you have Down syndrome you’re gonna struggle.

My rule of thumb is you can charm your way into +2 of your own rating (1-10) in females.

mrpoopistan · 2018-07-09T16:14:51+00:00

If charisma doesn't count, then I challenge you to explain away each unfuckably hideous rock star who has been fucking supermodels his whole damned life.

Mick Jagger exists. That's where this argument ends.

TheOneAndOnlyRob13 · 2018-07-09T13:43:20+00:00

Everything you do and are matters. Luckily, you can work on looks and charisma at the same time.

IVIaskerade · 2018-07-09T18:15:39+00:00

Looks gets your foot in the door, charisma seals the deal.

If you've got both it's effortless.

If you've got charisma but no looks, you have to work harder to get in, but once you're in it's easy.

If you've got looks but no charisma, you'll just fail repeatedly.

atticusfinch1973 · 2018-07-09T15:20:13+00:00

I think that looks are part of charisma - you can't be hideous and have a decent amount of it. They complement each other.

There's tons of tall good looking guys I've met who are totally cringeworthy when it comes to interacting with anyone, let alone women.

resnine · 2018-07-09T15:47:08+00:00

This is incel-esque.

XT3M3 · 2018-07-09T16:13:52+00:00

looks will always be on top. no doubt about that. cant showcase gow good you are at everything else if your looks sucks.

even the fat girls are super judgemental

buddboy · 2018-07-09T17:21:15+00:00

I'm short but have charisma. My pick up game is poor (could be lack of confidence though) but if I have a chance to spend more time with a girl I do great. I can't rely on looks to get a girls attention, so clubs or bars are bad for me. But in other settings I'll be okay if I get a chance to make her laugh or show my social status

MattyAnon · 2018-07-09T17:54:56+00:00

It seems like my appearance might give me a slight head start, but I would call it a stretch to call it anything more than that

It's a big head start. Women hide how important it is so they can extract commitment and resources from betas: "I'm not that kind of girl! pay for more dates!".

Looks helps a lot. Charisma helps even more.

FemtoG · 2018-07-09T21:40:25+00:00

I am the biggest proponent of looks theory but bottom line is you won't get anywhere if she isn't comfortable

TheStumblingWolf · 2018-07-09T21:45:54+00:00

Even a bad salesman can botch the sale of a beautiful car.

StanDando · 2018-07-09T21:50:31+00:00

If we look at 'seduction' as a linear process, then charisma can go further into the mid-phases than looks can. They both work best in the opening phases. Also neither of them are particularly important for closing the deal, though charisma can play a role in attractive typology game. Height, however, is a huge advantage, as it is judged not just as an index of attraction, but of status.

Ultimately social status and wealth are the most important factors, and with those, you could be a butt-ugly shortarse and still fuck more girls than the guys from Peepshow.

Game does help. And its worth the work, especially with handicaps such as unattractivess, shortness, and in my experience, poverty.

UnpluggedNigga · 2018-07-10T07:32:48+00:00

Looks = initial attraction Charisma = pussy wetting

dulkemaru51 · 2018-07-12T00:24:58+00:00

Everything matters. How would you measure whether charisma or physical attractiveness is more important? Whether looks or the confidence coming from your looks is more attractive to women? They are factors. Maximize both.

AlternativeMajor · 2018-07-09T14:15:21+00:00

having charisma skill is useless if women dont even let you open your mouth near them because they find your face disgusting...

confidence is bullshit as well... how would you feel if a fat ugly black chick approached you on the street and started to chat up you? would she be able to use some magic routine to make your horny for her? its same with women... unless you are really good-looking you are wasting everyones time....

Title	Is it really the case that charisma doesn't matter compared to looks? Or is this a hyperbole?
Author	flatcologne
Upvotes	8
Comments	44
Date	July 9, 2018 12:32 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/askTRP
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