So I think both trains of thought emphasize the importance of inner game and being an attractive man as opposed to just acting like one.

Finished models and it seems that mark Manson really neglects the effectiveness of plowing through bullshit that chicks throw at u. For example if a girl says she has a bf on the initial approach he doesn’t see her as being worth his time even if it is a test. A good amount of girls have this as an autopilot response and open up after a few minutes of talking at least from what I’ve noticed. He also doesn’t like negs along with other outer game techniques that can be effective. He often refers to guys who use them as FAKE Alphas.

Although natural game is now the gold standard,I think there is still a lot of fluff in the pickup industry routines canned lines exuberant behavior ect... Now maybe I have to read models again but from what I understand mark really thinks that in general a girl who gives you test isn’t a quality girl. And therefore not worth your time to pursue.

As a novice in this journey my instincts tell me to disregard some of the ideas laid out in models. Although natural game is now the gold standard,I think there is still a lot of fluff in the pickup industry.Not so much with routines& canned lines as it was but I notice forced exuberant behavior a lot... Now maybe I have to read models again but from what I understand Mark really thinks that in general a girl who gives you test isn’t a quality girl. And therefore not worth your time to pursue. Which makes sense from a philosophical standpoint but in reality you can’t know from your initial approach especially in the beginning stages of learning cold approach.

Do you guys think that pua outer game “techniques”still have merit or should I as a beginner take the ideas on outer game laid out in models with a grain of salt?