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[–]CrownChief 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link
Looks only get you into the door. If you're good looking girls take notice, but if they find out you're not confident, have no masculine polarity, etc. then their panties dry up faster than the Sahara desert. You need to chill out because its not like you have sort of deformity. Just don't smile with teeth if you are that self conscious about it.
If you have game and frame (masculine polarity) then you can do what is known as out kicking your coverage (getting girls out of your league). If you can master seduction then it doesn't matter what you look like, just as long as you make an attempt, you know dress and groom well. When you seduce a women she will feel attracted to you and find your traits cute as she rationalizes her internal feelings. And as far as it works below the neck, you can change that, with weight training.
Just read these books in order and master the teachings and you will be fine. And its not easy, you will have to overcome your ego, but the first book will help you in the endeaver. Good luck to you.
No go into monk mode: read, lift, eat, read, lift, eat, read, lift, eat, read, lift, eat, then get your ass out there, fail 100 times, perservere and achieve mastery.
[–]Vixel_ 10 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
It broke my fucking heart reading " You need to chill out because its not like you have sort of deformity" because that's exactly why I think I'm ugly. My nose is crooked to the right and its exactly that, a deformity. I guess that means i should give up on "game" and pick up( the truth hurts). Less time failing with women and more time finding a good job is probably best for me. Who knows in in a couple years I could maybe afford to fix my nose and can actually have a fair shot at this stuff. Gonna read those books anyway because they sound like good reads.
[–]CrownChief 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, when I was talking about deformity I was talking about burn victims (if anyone is a burn victim reading this I'm sure you can find a fellow burn victim have beautiful babies together), not a crooked nose that can be fixed with plastic surgery. You're going to be fine, just as long as you master the teaching in the first book. Your identification with your image is holding you back, not the nose. Make sure you watch out for what is known as "the sad story of me" he talks about in the book.
[–]Vixel_1 point 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Gotcha ,thanks man.. I was about to throw in the towel before I even started, which woulda been stupid of me. About to start doing cold approaches and my mind is probably magnifying my insecurities as a defense mechanism to avoid rejection and change. I needed that. Thanks again, dude
[–]farazormal 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don't let it define you, don't be "the guy with the nose" be "the fun guy", be "the cool guy" and let the nose become an afterthought. It doesn't matter, let your personality and your confidence define you, not something you have no control over.
You're totally right. thank you
[–]kazing2 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I second these recommendations
[–]Thatguyagain123 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
i look at girls trying to maintain eye contact but i lose it, i look back but they dont seem to care...
[–]CrownChief 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i look back but they dont seem to care...
Yeah, thats because of your passive body language. They can tell you're not confident when you do that. They should be the first one to look away, always. Maintain eye contact until they look away. If you have a problem with this, its due to your mental and emotional conditioning, aka ego, and you need to transcend it through self awareness, hence the importance of the 1st book I listed. That book will give you the tools to take right action in any given scenario or context through the power of now, being in the present moment. Something that few humans pocess because they are always identified with their mind. Stop thinking and get to reading.
[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Do you have to be high status or "socially connected" to get women, though?
I like your last line.. improve physique, learn, and force yourself to approach. But what if you are seriously lacking in status? I know you don't care, but that's the plight of your average autistic male (not the ones who get double majors in Math and a functional social life.)
[–]CrownChief 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm on the autistic spectrem and I am up to my neck in pussy. Your smart, the rest is balls. They want to perceive you as high status. All you have to do is have potential/ambition. Obviously, ideally it would be great to be an actual high status male like a rock star. But, if you can master game then you can project a high status. There's pre-selection, so if one girl becomes attracted to u, it raises your sexual market value. Point is you can project being a high status male and live in your mom's basement, don't worry about becoming a rock star.
[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I like what you're saying, trust me I do. But if I'm going to be honest..
All you have to do is have potential/ambition.
This part would be hard/unlikely. I have a lot of impairment with my Asperger's (not at some kind of "extreme level," but more than most Aspies) which kinda limits my potential.
I mean I do at least have passionate interests. I'm becoming ambitious with my artwork, but I still do it just for myself--I don't get paid for it. Nonetheless it's far better than having no hobbies (some guys are really bland and just watch sports.) Could I find some way to use this as some kind of "proof" or something?
[–]CrownChief 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, what I meant is potential in their eyes. Your ambition is all you need, because passion is a very attractive. You already know what makes you tick, fucking dive deep into it. Art is great, every hobby/passion has its groupies. There are a section of women that would love that shit. Also, it should be the primary focus in your life, relationships always come 2nd. This is advice in Way of the Superior Man. He also mentions not setting any goals, or creating bench marks in your mind because you reach the goal and rest on your laurals, or you dont reach it and become depressed; or change corse because in life new opportunities open up all the time. A New Earth will help you with creativity.
[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Good advice for once, thanks.
If you are a little autistic as you say, though... there are some things common to most of us, with or without the math/academic gifts.
Some things I'm struggling with that seem to be common with ASD:
1) Rigid, tense body language from anxiety or oversensitivity 2) Difficulty smiling at the right times.. I hate forcing a smile, but it seems it's a required skill
[–]CrownChief 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A New Earth, it will change your life. We over think shit, when thinking is the enemy/obstacle.
[–]caramel_jordan 10 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
What exactly is masculine polarity?
The Way of the Superior Man goes into depth on that.
[–]ImFromTimBuktu 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
but if they find out you're not confident, have no masculine polarity, etc. then their panties dry up faster than the Sahara desert.
hey man, this is exactly where I'm at. I have a ton of trouble with flirting and giving off even a slight sexual vibe to any girl im interested in. I come off as friendly and even 'cool' because of my hobbies and other personality traits, but thats where the trains stops. I get to the cool, perhaps interesting acquaintance (and not terrible looking either), but I have no idea how to even give off slightest amount of sexual vibe. I would be happy if I could just even start with a slight, subtle hint but do so with confidence.
Any tips on how to better present myself as a sexual being? Its something that I've gone through all my life no knowing how to do.
Just read those books, they will tell you everything you need to know. You have to create greater polarity to obtain attraction, being mr. nice guy ain't going to cut it. Like I said, those books will help.
[–]TheMinistryOfAwesome 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'll post something more extensive later but:
You get the idea.
Chances are they're not attracted to you because you follow the vibe of being ugly and insecure. They friendzoned you :)
[–]Thatguyagain123 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'd love to read your extensive post. Well, i consider myself ugly because of my gapped teeth, other than that all the other characteristics are pretty common. And im about 2 months away from an early stage six pack(not my goal though(people never considered me fat, that is just a personal thing doing something for myself to feel better)). They didnt friendzoned me because i didnt had any intentions that way. Other than that i know my real problems are real self esteem(e.g i observe other guys thinking that they are better than me(in that section)and confidence. Lastly the two problems above are only in my wannabesexual life, in general im pretty confident and i have the balls to get out of my comfort zone
[–]TheMinistryOfAwesome 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"They didnt friendzoned me because i didnt had any intentions that way"
Are you really being true here? Or is this just an easy way for you to justify never fucking them?
As for gapped teeth, I wouldn't worry about it. Arnie could probably fit a microphone cord through his teeth and still managed to fuck the nanny, and the wife, and a bunch of others.
Anyway, being british my teeth are pretty fucked up - but i've never heard it mentioned. I guess it might have turned off a few people in my life, but I've done okay.
Also I'm probably still a bit over the weight I should be (got some dough in my gut that is dropping) and despite having made significant progress of late I have been pretty overweight my entire life. And while early on in my I wasn't some player, I still did okay.
My particular experiences in this case are irrelevent anecodates, the important thing is to understand that, as a couple of other guys have mentioned, as long as you're not weirdly deformed or obviously fucked up and you're not fat then you're probably at worst considered 'average'.
With some care for yourself, your look, your body language and the way you interact with people you can really put that up to "good looking". I think grooming and self-style (as much as I hate the idea of being a 'fashionista' type dude) and self presentation goes such a long long way to making somebody attractive.
As a challenge:
Pick 5 male people who are considered attractive to the majority of women
Yes and no, i created the friendship years ago and never thought about having sexual relations with these girls. About the dot things:
2.My hair and facial hair are ok and i have heard people say good words about the way they look.
3.My body is what im really working on.
4.I take good care of my hygiene.
Also thanks for being helpful and supportive!
[–]TheMinistryOfAwesome 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do the challenge and post it here.
[–]Kenji_03 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We men are pretty obsessed with looks, women are more obsessed with if you are a guy who is confident in his abilility to take care of her.
So being a guy who knows he would be amazing for her and if she doesn't want to get to know you it is "her loss" (without being a dudebro douche about it) is the key to seduction
[–]AWPM 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
all in ur mind m8. ugly is a mindset and even though you may not believe it, it is true. I would say good luck but you dont need it. Everything you need is within you.
I don't think this is entirely true.. I ust think that people who are physically ugly are outliers.
The fact that attraction is made up of so many things also means that people can compensate for areas they lack.
[–]Cinnamon_Boots 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wanna post a pic?
[–]DirkDieGurke 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You need to really study up on how to increase your levels of confidence and being alpha. Ugliness never stopped a badass from getting girls. I'm not going to point to one source, my recommendation is to study EVERYTHING you find about increasing your confidence. Be confident and DGAF.
[–]TheXXL 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
they never answer and just say what my traits are, so i assume that im ugly
Why do you ask a girl about your looks? It's like asking a fish how to bait it. Th problem with that is that the majority of people, men and women, don't think about what makes the opposite sex attractive. They only derive that "knowledge" from the media, their experience and what their friends think. This makes them believe that you must look like a supermodel to be attractive.
The fact is: Attractivity is only one part "looks". And this also breaks up into more small pieces, like clothing, facial expression, body posture, movement, overall behavior. In your case, those girls know you personally, and i bet you are the nice guy to them. Maybe you don't even display many attractive behaviors, like nice fitting clothing, strong eye contact, strong body posture, slow, therefore confident, movement and all that. No wonder they don't answer that, they don't want to hurt your feelings.
To make my point: All external factors boil down to a certain behavior. This is what women are attracted to. For instance, if you work out, it makes you confident, of course makes you look good because it makes you look strong, gives you good body posture, makes you look healthy and you will overall display that you take care of yourself. This goes for all external factors, those you can change, and those you cannot change.
If you now learn how to emulate those behaviors, by dressing good, by being confident, having strong eye contact, moving slow and strong etc. you can overcome pretty much every single physical flaw you see yourself with, and this is the great thing in human psychology, we don't need the 100% perfection when it comes to attractivity, this is why physical looks don't matter as much as people want to believe.
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