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[–]majesticafboi22 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You having a bad day buddy?
[–]appmanga 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women are having sex with anyone and everyone they want. If you are not included then give up.
Sounds personal.
[–]cobraCL 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Sorry, but this is not helpful. Many people of all walks of life did not walk a "perfect" road: not in self esteem, not in vocation, not in purpose and not in romance. The people on this sub have chosen the hard path of taking ACCOUNTABILITY for their happiness, and are reaching out for resources and advice.
Social skills are learnable.
Conversational skills are learnable.
Confidence is learnable.
Self-love is learnable.
Emotional intelligence is learnable.
Seduction, romance and winning in love and sex are learnable.
I try to be supportive in this space but please fuck off with your weak-minded fatalism.
Every single day, people are making strides in their self improvement and advancing in ways they never thought possible. That includes people who went from withdrawn, depressed and intimacy starved to confident, successful people with active dating lives and happy relationships.
If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation, it would be a wiser use of your time to not lurk and post in this particular sub.
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark 3 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Ok I will leave you to your fantasy world. Good luck
[–]cobraCL 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Bro, what fantasy world. You find guys on this sub thanking the community because for the first time in their lives, they are approaching girls, getting numbers, going on dates.
The only mentality that guarantees failure is a victim mentality. No accountability = no results by default.
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
The guys just started trying is all this that happened. They would have gotten those numbers anyways.
[–]cobraCL 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Where is your evidence?
Do you seriously believe that human beings are powerless in influencing the outcomes of their lives?
Do you seriously believe that a man with a shattered self-esteem, paranoia and hesitation will be as successful as a man who has LEARNT confidence and self-acceptance and carries himself accordingly?
Do you really think that a man who grew up socially withdrawn and lacking in positive social influences will be as successful as a man who has LEARNT how to connect with others, how to communicate and how to build attraction?
It's easier to pretend we don't have a choice, but we do.
[–]zapadz 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
Why should we believe your preconceived notions over the thousands of guys whose experience proved you wrong?
It is like getting instructions on how to walk. If you are an adult who can't walk then your legs don't work.
That’s not even true, many adults get help relearning how to walk after health issues or physical accidents cause them problems with it
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark 3 years ago [recovered] (29 children) | Copy Link
Really you are arguing against my point about walking? Wow ok there are exceptions you got me. There are lottery winners too.
[–]zapadz 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link
But there aren’t exceptions, there is plenty of basic advice that helps almost all men improve success with women, and is scientifically proven to work. Pretty much everyone who looks for advice on this isn’t good at it initially, and plenty say it works and they start getting success.
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark 3 years ago [recovered] (27 children) | Copy Link
Be attractive and talk. If you need more than that, then your only prize for success will be a woman that will leave you.
[–]zapadz 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
be attractive and talk
Nope, there is a lot more too it, actually a lot of guys come on here saying they are attractive and still have issues, or can never get girls they like. There are plenty of ways to become more attractive to women as well beyond genetic looks.
a woman that will leave you
Why would you being attractive stop her from leaving you?
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark 3 years ago [recovered] (25 children) | Copy Link
The attractive guys issue is talking like a wimp. He talks like a man and looks good then there is no problem. I didn't say your guaranteed she stays if you are attractive but much more likely. Game has nothing to do with it.
[–]zapadz 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
The attractive guys issue is talking like a wimp. He talks like a man and looks good then there is no problem.
What? What if he looks attractive but talks like a wimp? What if you don’t look attractive but also learn to not talk like a wimp? There is also way more to it than just not talking like a wimp, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I didn't say your guaranteed she stays if you are attractive but much more likely.
Nope, studies actually show physically attractive people are more likely to break up and divorce.
But honestly attractiveness has little to do with long term relationship stability for very simple scientific reasons.
Look, you have these preconceived notions that just don’t relate to reality, sorry.
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark 3 years ago [recovered] (23 children) | Copy Link
They break up because they have options. You are just going to get broken up with . You are officially the mayor of Coperville.
[–]zapadz 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Nope, that’s not what the evidence shows, it includes being broken up with.
Also, it’s not like attractiveness is one switch that is permanent.
You know nothing about relationships.
You’re just wrong, and have no evidence of your claims, sorry.
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark 3 years ago [recovered] (14 children) | Copy Link
Clearly you don't either.
[–]zapadz1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What claim did I make that you want proof of? I can back it all up.
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The fact that you believe looks do nothing for your relationship tells me you don't want to believe in reality. I don't care what bs study you show to try and justify that insane statement.
I didn’t say looks do nothing.
Looks do a lot when attracting and getting in a relationship.
When actually maintaining a relationship they don’t do much, this is born out by the actual data. Why should we believe your uneducated assumptions over the actual scientific data? Also there is a very simple reason why looks don’t matter much for long term relationship success based on actual science, if you knew the slightest thing about relationships you would know about it.
Just stop pretending you have any clue what you’re talking about, please, for your own sake, it’s embarrassing.
Post a picture of you and your SO or it didn't happen.
no argument
I accept your concession
You're the supposed relationship expert. Let's see proof of the relationship.
I never said I’m a relationship expert, what I’m saying is just basic logic which can be confirmed by anyone. I’m still waiting for you to actually back up any claim you made.
It is self explanatory. Just keep on coping. You are almost there. Soon a woman will love you. Learn a couple more tricks Fido.
[–]zapadz2 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
😂 What cope? I’ve clearly explained every argument I have and offered to give you any proof you want. You are the one who keeps crying and changing the topic.
I get more girls then I’d ever want, but I’m not ugly anymore so you will just cope and say it doesn’t count.
Ok hot shot wear is your girl. Post a pic of any of them with you. You are lying now.
What does that have to do with anything?
1) you already said attractive guys can get girls, I’m telling you I’m not ugly, you are just going to say I’m proving you right
2) I already gave you clear arguments and offered to back up any point I made, you refuse to address them and keep changing the topic. Specifically tell me what I said here you don’t believe, I will present you evidence, disprove it and I’ll admit you’re right. Stop running away.
You said I don't know anything about relationships. Implying that you do. I think you are full of it. You don't get any girls. At least none that you want to show off. Just repeat after me my name is zapadz and I'm an incel.
No, you proved you don’t know anything about relationships by saying things that are scientifically disproven. It’s not my opinion, I’m stating a fact, it’s like if you said 1+1=3, you don’t know anything about math, you’re just wrong.
No offense, but based on this post it’s pretty clear you are self identifying as an incel. You calling me that is just humiliating yourself because you’re using what you are, as an insult.
Now go ahead and reread my comment and actually reply to my points, I specifically laid out why what you’re saying is irrelevant and how you can prove me wrong. Go ahead, any reply that is ignoring that like this one is just further evidence you know I’m right.
[–]cobraCL1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Fellow needs to detox from blackpill internet brainwashing. His views are almost dogmatic... He categorically dismisses every single challenge or argument and just throws out assumptions presented as truths.
[–]cobraCL 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
What do you think is the point of dating, love and sex?
You keep on mentioning "the woman will leave you" as an argument for not trying. So fucking what? Men leave women all the time. Women leave men. Partners grow apart and leave eachother, after a number of incredible years together. Some couples stay happily married for a lifetime, but still have to grieve the burial of their beloved spouse in old age.
Nothing in life is permanent. We engage with others because inbetween in the hardships and heartaches, we experience love. We experience growth, bonding, sacrifice, kindness, vulnerability, tenderness. We expand our knowledge of ourselves through loving another. We express our sexuality, and savour touch and intimacy which we are hard wired to enjoy.
All of the above make human interaction well worth it. None of us own other human beings. The goal of love should be growth and connection, rather than claiming another human as static object that will never leave us.
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark 3 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
Blah blah blah now pay your alimony.
Who said you have to get married? 😂
Well unless you are planning on the relationship failing then you get married.
Bullshit. Marriage was established as a bartering system and has only been romanticized as a symbol of "love" in the past 1-2 centuries.
A contract doesn't validate or prove love. And even if a couple gets married, they can choose to do so with a pre-nup.
Again, why are you fixated on a relationship "failing" ? You haven't answered my question as to what you think the POINT of love is to you. Is the point of love, love? Or is the point of love having an unwaveringly loyal human possession till the day you die?
Marriage is important but I don't have time to explain it to you. Yes the possession of a woman is what I think love is. Obviously not. If you want me to write a book on love and marriage then you have to pay me.
You had time to make this post. If "possession" is love then I suppose you would be happy with an arranged marriage in a society where divorce is unacceptable, no matter how miserable the husband and wife are together.
[–]MywarUK 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I didn’t give up, kept working on my self, got back on dating app, matched a few, only talking to one now, literally just chatting, nothing sexual at all, its actually really nice.
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark 3 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
That is nice good luck. She is talking to 100 hundred other guys too though.
[–]MywarUK 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Id say leave it my man.
Its quality, not quantity 👌
So you have more quality than all the other guys she is talking to? I like your confidence.
[–]Ambitious-Ice2357 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some of this comment has merit. I agree that you can’t make a woman interested in you if she’s not. Walk away with some dignity and self respect. I had a woman that insisted I have her number but when I reached out the next day she never responded. Did I continue to try and contact her ? No. One and done is my motto because if she was seriously interested in me I would’ve heard from her. Btw- I still see her around.
The rest of this comment is a just defeatism.
[–]Middle_Ad_4390 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This guy is wrong. I have a lot of autistic traits and so had trouble with women and social life in general. Now, with advice and understanding how things works like maths and science, i pick up women very easily. Op needs advice about how he could close he mouth tho
[–]grindforthegold 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
as much as game can help sadly i resonate with this. feels like in the end it’s mostly about looks and it barely matters what i do. if a girl wants me she wants me if not she doesn’t she doesn’t. she’ll act accordingly and that’s about it ..
while i’ve had success i don’t consider it much at all in terms of bringing me any kind of happiness. i think life already told me where i belong and some days i just feel i should finish accepting it
if more money and fame is what it takes then whatever girl comes at that point ain’t worth a damn
[–]Geaux_tigers69420 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It is mostly about looks, but looks can be improved. Go to the gym get lean, start taking meds if you’re balding, whiten your teeth, get a tan. Everyone on this sub likes to pretend they were born with a horrible deformity and that there’s no way they can improve their physical appearance but 99% of the time it’s a cop out because they’re lazy and they don’t want to improve their physical appearance they just want to complain.
[–]grindforthegold -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
come on man don’t be an idiot the reason i fuck girls is cuz i’m relatively good looking , ive maxed out what’s i’ve maxed out and me telling someone who’s ugly to work on themselves is kind of stupid in that sense. yeah i’ll get a girl i just had a gf but it’s a pain in the fucking ass
[–]Geaux_tigers69420 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol I agree you probably won’t learn anything on this forum. It’s like a bunch of retards trying to teach each other linear algebra
[–]goatliverfan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You sound like an incel. I don't like calling guys that, but that's what you sound like right now. Don't give up until you improved every aspect of your dating life (gym, surgery, travel, social skills,).
[–]ClothesOnInTheDark-1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This is the right place for incels.
[–]Liberaler 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can only laugh about this. I've seen too many guy, who could change their situation to the better. Of course there is bad advice out there. But good advice from other guys is something really valuable. Men are giving each other advice on women since the beginning of time ...
[–]Plane_Reflection6053 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wrong, you can learn a lot. Just like when a big brother tells you what to do and what not to do.
[–]simplyaguyonline 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everyone deserves love. Even you buddy.
You give up, you die. Fuckin' circle of life right there my dude.
Fight on brotha man, it's supposed to be hard or else it wouldn't be worth it.
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