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[–]e3cdspce 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Im the same as you, tried both and understand what you mean. I think you need elements of both. Nice but assertive. You are nice but not needy, assertive and to the point to show intention (so u don't get friendzoned) without being too pushy and demanding. You need to find a balance
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your problem is not your looks! Your problem is that you are young and socially inexperienced, that's why its so hard for you to be authentic. That's normal. With growing life experience you will develop a well rounded personality, that also has its edges. But yourself out there and go for what you want.
[–]franikolai 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This. Especially social inexperience. There’s a reason I paid $100k just to live on college residence for 4 years back then lol
[–]NineteenAD9 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You should try being yourself instead of letting a message board tell you who you are. It's not sustainable, which is why you're struggling.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Confidence. In a way, being able to be confident and expess yourself and your vulnerability
No need to be fake and put on a persona. Just be a normal dude with honest intent, communication and the ability to put out good vibes/energy without expecting anything in return
Stop trying out these attitudes because its easy to spot. Just do you
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It don’t matter.
If you an avg looking dude you gotta compensate with status and wealth.
Like you said, you can’t be mean cuz that just makes girls think you an asshole (not the good kind)
You too nice, you will be seen as a friend.
You awkward, girls see you as socially inept.
This is why attractive people are perceived better (halo effect).
Or you can just lower your standards a bit.
Avg girls can like avg guys.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Says behaviour and personality does not matter ... says it on a seduction board. Gets upvoted.
This is so sad ...
[–]VeliVoy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Saved. Good post.
[+]No_Acanthisitta5052 -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hey, get surgery. If a guy can turn into a 8/10 woman with enough surgery, you can turn yourself into a 8/10 guy. If you are avg looking, get surgery. Honestly, being average is a blessing, because nothing stops you from getting to 8/10, 9/10. Expect for 150-180k USD in surgeries. 😉
If supermodels do this, and you should too. Kendall Jenner looked plain and average before surgery. The same with Kylie Jenner, and so many celebrities.
You can compare yourself to them before having paid for surgeries yourself.
[–]VeliVoy 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Never bro. I'd rather get arranged married' to a perfect 10. I'd just accept the fact that I was never meant to be a girl magnet and get over the fact.
Life's unfair anyway haha
[–]melvinnivlem 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Respect!
[–]cass2769 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Why are you putting on a persona? Women can smell fake a mile away.
[+]No_Acanthisitta5052 -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yes, this is true. He should not be rude. I don’t even think he knows how to be assertive. Honestly, why is that even needed. Get a grip on your income and get surgery. Wow...
Unattractive men are just innately uninteresting, unless you are smart and have a serious, big man job.
If you are a random bloke, with avg status, then jump into a volcano.
[–]cass2769 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wrf?
[–]AlenationsYT 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, that's how I felt. I see this guy all over this subreddit. The solution he has for everything is to get surgery. It's weird.
[–]PM_M3_PUPPIES 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And an adhesive beard lol
[–]joelvaldezg 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What about being you? I’m tired of this Reddit and it’s stupid questions. Seduction isn’t about doing certain type of things or being something for getting something in return. That’s why men are so logical and see this as: I do this and then I’ll get this. Seduction is about feeling, is about making someone feel things they didn’t felt before. Why focusing on the archetype you want to follow instead of being the best version of yourself? Focus on seduction, not in production. Seduction is a process of feeling, production in the other hand is a process of doing things for something in return.
[–]VeliVoy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You really think a girl would want my normal boring ass personality when she already have tens of fun guys behind her? If you can't change the situation, you gotta change yourself.
[–]joelvaldezg 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you see yourself as boring, she will see as you boring too.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You have to be a little nice, and confident and also use humor. Or else you look like a frat guy, or special needs. Being good looking , cold approach is more difficult, but once you smooth out the approach your good for a long time
[–]Snoo-62854 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Smoke buddy you will get attitude 🍁
[–]Condor-man3000 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Confidence is always a winner. It's amazing how many girls an average guy can get if he just exudes confidence.
You have to keep it up and fake it till you make it.
[–]No_Acanthisitta5052 -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You just don’t see that that guy probably completed a college degree in an respectable domain. The style of conversations you have at 95 and at 115 iq is so different. You see a random bloke and think he is a blue collar fatty, when he may he able to hold extremely interesting conversations.
[–]Condor-man3000 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The only time IQ gets in the way of picking up girls is when it's too high. In fact I would argue interesting experiences and life trump an intellectual conversation. No one wants to hear about what you read...they want to hear about what you experienced!
[–]No_Acanthisitta5052 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
That was not my range. You need enough to be interesting.
Who wants to have an intellectual conversation when the expertise does not align. Not what I meant. Who wants to have conversations that you have with a colleague, when the time is for entertainment? Only boring people.
If you are too dumb, you don’t even know how to self-correct make any topic interesting, nor even plan before you speak in real-time.
I mean genuinely interesting, and not just repeating and reporting what is top topic for the subject.
[–]Condor-man3000 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Um...honestly, I think dumb guys have better luck. They don't overthink. Driven by emotion. Impulsive. These guys come off genuine, and confident, if only because they don't harbor the same self awareness as others. There is a sweet spot, but if history repeats itself, nerds just don't get laid at the same rate as the dumb jocks.
Just be however you want. There's no standard for attitude based on how we look.
Also, don't adopt a personality just because you think it will make others like you more. As you've seen, it can have the opposite effect/result.
Try being more transparent. People already more or less know that everyone who comes up to you probably wants something from you.
[–]CocoBabeNYC 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You should try having an average unremarkable guy type of attitude. I'm sure you will do really well!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sounds to me like you are going for the wrong women.
[–]VeliVoy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think so too, but every girl I meet is looking for a good looking man... Sucks man.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No they aren’t. They are looking for a connection, some fun. Yeah, attraction is also key, but mate, your attitude here is way off.
You need to be you but with some humanity, and common decency. You are really overthinking the whole thing. Women want men who are respectful, and treat them as humans first. Everything else is just game play that modern women see through
[–]VeliVoy 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can't relate, I am a man in my early 20s living in India and what I said is very true here
Well, you should respect yourself and not seek validation of your value. Some girls are "created" for douchebags, some are created for models, some are created for gangsters, you should seek for your corresponding "target".
Thanks man
[–]tylerdetata66 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
be your best self, and you will attract the best woman to fit your personality
[–]cleetusneck 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don’t try on attitudes. You Proudy display your most positive traits. If you are not yourself women see right through it - and it’s not attractive.
[–]NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's old & dated, but perfect for you & dudes in the same situation: David DeAngelo. Cocky/funny. "Double your dating" has tons of good stuff when it comes to developing your dating personality.
Keep in mind this is beginner level stuff and not the "end all, be all" Bible of dating. There's tons more good info out there: Mystery Method, The Game, Vin De Carlo's, Pandoras Box.
[–]Emily656577 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Bible of dating? Lmao that's just crazy
[–]NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I guess if taken literally it would be kinda awkward as a dating book. I just meant it's not a book of significant importance, but the info is good & can't hurt.
[–]Emily656577 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'd say he should just change his style or give more attention to his physical presence cause even if anything written in any book can work in dating, I think first he should feel confident enough with the way he looks cause confidence is what attracts a lot of girls
[–]NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. Hygeine is paramount.
[–]Billieclide 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How bout u just do you
[–]HeMan17 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The personality type that you naturally are is the best. If you play a persona, you can never develop the same amount of confidence in a false persona, rather than your actual persona. Because if you are playing a fake character, you will be doomed to be self conscious.
If you are completely yourself and react the way you want to react to everything, then when something doesn’t go your way, you don’t think “what could I have done for things to have gone my way” you will think “I can only be myself so if it wasn’t meant to be it wasn’t meant to be.” That sort of mindset will give you the confidence you could never get from pretending to act a certain way.
You said it yourself, there are multiple personas which women gravitate to. It doesn’t really matter which one, it’s the underlying confidence that is the reason. So just be who you really are and develop confidence in yourself.
[–]ShortStuffV2 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know this slightly above average white guy who always seems to be with a girl. He seems to win by doing... Nothing.
Not trying to impress anyone. Not singing at a singing bar. Not dancing. Just sitting there, doing his own thing, content with himself. Allowing a comfortable distance until it's time for him to dance or take the girl near him by the hand.
He did speak Spanish to the Latina girl that sat next to him, which definitely helped, but I've also seen him pull a white chick that he did little more than play darts with.
I've seen this before, it's basically the opposite of "lean in." Just two degrees north of flat affect.
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