Does PU need to be complicated? Dating advice in a nutshell.

loki7714 · 2012-02-11T09:31:43+00:00

Most of the pua stuff is really to equip people who are scared with enough motivation to actually go out and try. And feel like they can succeed. Some people need the whole system some people really just need the support of other people going threw the same thing. This community is a candy dish at Halloween with a sign that says Take as much as you need. If you take all the candy in the dish you are going to feel sick and overwhelmed but if you only take the pieces you didn't already have then it should be ok.

PyouA · 2012-02-11T18:03:41+00:00

"The height of cultivation always runs to simplicity. Before I studied the art, a punch to me was just like a punch, a kick just like a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick no longer a kick. Now that I've understood the art, a punch is just like a punch, a kick just like a kick. The height of cultivation is really nothing special. It is merely simplicity; the ability to express the utmost with the minimum." - Bruce Lee

I would say this is only good advice for 50% or so of the people here. If you want to do well with women it is in your best interest to really deconstruct everything with the end goal of eventually making it simple. If you take a guy who sucks with women and tell him, "it isn't complicated, just go out there and talk to a bunch of people and try to escalate on all the girls" it will be a disaster for him. He has to learn some good strategies for this, which at first will seem complicated, but after he has interalized them it will be simple again and effective.

If you want everything to be simple and easy all the time you'll never become great at anything.

30vanquish · 2012-02-11T11:50:59+00:00

Working on my appearance and life passion.

Escalating when appropriate. This takes courage.

If people need to learn two things from this post, these are the two things.

Passion to be attractive and confidence to get what you want (with being a value giver).

sillymallard · 2012-02-11T17:25:15+00:00

I'm not sure I agree. This has been written after reading a bunch of material and then seeing the big picture. How do you physically go from shaking a girls hand, to kissing her, to having sex with her? Just being honest, and passionate won't teach you how to do this. Vin Di Carlo's escalation ladder teaches you how to do this.

I think the best way to learn pickup is to read ALL the material with specific info (Mystery Method, Magic Bullets, etc.) until some of them get lodged in your brain. Then go out into the field a lot. Figure out what's holding you back: your self-esteem, approaching, conversation, physical escalation, humor, comfort, sexual tension, number closing, kiss closing, day 2's, getting her to a sex location, taking off her clothes, and full closing. Then go back to the material and figure out how to get over whichever step it is you're not good at yet. Once you've cleared all the hurdles, you can spend time refining your game, and then you can forget about game and just be yourself.

leftajar · 2012-02-11T20:07:12+00:00

Yes and no, it depends who you are as a person and your situation. For a guy with 0 friends who hasn't been out in over a year "just go up and say hi" might not be what they need. On the other side someone like yourself that's naturally extroverted probably doesn't need a four day seminar on inner confidence (unless that's something that interests you of course), in fact like you said, too much information can harm in that sitution.

And of course, as time goes on your internalize more information and thus you need less. So it's easy for someone that's been going out for a long time to say "just open and have fun," it's the same reason people that have played piano for many years can sit down and just improvise.

2012-02-12T07:15:42+00:00

So many times this. I found PUA material to be counter productive.

ShittyPUA · 2012-02-11T15:51:45+00:00

Openers. Just say hello.

Having the "right" line. Just focus on having fun and flowing. Conversation ain't chess.

It's not about what you say, it's how you say it. "Openers" matter, but opening lines don't :P

Negging/DHV's. Just have fun. If a girl's bitchy, maybe she's just a bitch?

This is just bad game now. Don't DHV, assume value.

thewhitebear · 2012-02-11T16:11:49+00:00

YUP! thank you

ge99 · 2012-02-11T23:36:40+00:00

Escalating when appropriate.

What do you mean by this?

witha_ph · 2012-02-11T14:15:43+00:00

Inner game > all imo.

I've never been looking to sleep around, but concentrating inner game I can see the MASSIVE difference it's made. Everything flows from it. Once you are happy, people can tell.

Title	Does PU need to be complicated? Dating advice in a nutshell.
Author	leftajar
Upvotes	33
Comments	16
Date	February 11, 2012 5:47 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
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