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Models by Mark Manson
/r/ExRedPill16/12/23 06:38 AM
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If it’s disgust then meet women that have a lifestyle that leans towards lower body counts.
/r/ExRedPill28/11/23 08:32 PM
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Assuming you have decent social skills and look presentable half the game is showing up.
/r/seduction03/07/22 08:12 PM
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Ok then let’s see how some of these numbers pan out and if you can close.
/r/seduction12/09/21 07:44 AM
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She text me "where you at". I found her again for the last DJ. It was lit. We were dancing and making out for like the 45 minutes. A girl isn't going to want to sleep with you if you made out for 45 minutes because the sexual tension is already released. Yes it's a good experience but if your aim is to get laid you can kiss for a bit and chat and then ask her to bounce with you. This is riskier but that's what it takes to sleep with someone instead of only making out with someone.
/r/seduction11/09/21 11:08 PM
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When you're in a relationship you should continue to seduce your girl.
/r/seduction04/09/21 02:15 AM
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Read the top seddit posts from the sidebar. Find the posts that talk about escalation and logistics for sex.
/r/seduction04/09/21 02:13 AM
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It was better between 2008-2015.
/r/seduction04/09/21 02:13 AM
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I’m 5’7 half of my hookups have been girls that are 5’8-5’9. Why is this cope stuff on seduction?
/r/seduction31/08/21 12:39 AM
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You built a solid safety net. Now you can take risks. Look at the best posts from this subreddit through the years which teach attraction and how to socialize. Then socialize. Find a higher paying job too.
/r/seduction27/07/21 05:29 PM
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Cut those types off. Some people enjoy any company and don’t figure out the people supporting you and those trying to undermine you.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/21 05:49 PM
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You become high value to where people want to become your friend. Hobby groups to meet friends and better looks to meet women. Being kind is a bare minimum that people don’t care about.
/r/TheRedPill03/07/21 04:36 PM
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Practice by using 1 or 2 before you sleep with someone. This is from someone who has always used durex.
/r/seduction13/06/21 12:44 PM
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People don’t realize 1/100 is a good ratio on cold approach. The gurus that have higher ratios are usually taller and extremely good looking. It’s probably harder nowadays because everyone is on guard from CoVid still. Also you could refine your method. You talk to the girl for 1-3 minutes and tell her you’re only gonna chat for a few minutes tops, get the number, and meet her for something better like coffee or at a bar. I always think of it from the girls perspective too. If she is not interes…
/r/seduction22/05/21 11:02 PM
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Tl;dr having a quality pic of you being fit in the best shape of your life and showing off the 6 pack works on tinder especially if you’re going straight to the girls place.
/r/seduction02/01/21 03:50 AM
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Great post but what’s an example of 4? How do you tell a woman your feelings?
/r/seduction30/12/20 06:53 AM
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You also get more leeway in the social interaction if you look better.
/r/seduction26/10/20 01:03 AM
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When you realize most people are in it for themselves it'll be bitter at first. You can either stay bitter about it or learn how to make things beneficial to everyone included. You can't change human behavior so instead make it work in your favor.
/r/seduction20/10/13 07:06 AM
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It is mostly diet Running is so awesome for mental benefits
/r/seduction17/10/13 10:21 PM
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Here is what I changed: I made myself presentable, I harnessed my inborn skills and developed them, I accepted myself as I am, and I learned to sexually escalate. Notice how none of this changes the core being of who I am. All I've done is enhance the traits I was already born with. I'm not outgoing, I'm not muscular, I don't have nice things in the traditional sense of cars and jewelery or what have you, and I don't try to play a character. All I'm doing is living life as the best version of me…
/r/seduction17/10/13 10:10 AM
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Hobby groups like rock climbing or anime conventions or something that interests you
/r/seduction12/10/13 07:32 AM
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Another problem is thinking that an above average woman will provide a cure for all your troubles or make all this learning worth it.
/r/seduction10/10/13 10:51 PM
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Joking about your occupation too much can be seen as insecurity. You can be honest and immediately go into what you want to become. If you still are not sure then you change the subject. "What do you do?" "I work at starbucks or some other service job and aspiring to be a writer or whatever" Then talk about what you are aspiring to be. Women are attracted to potential so if you can back it up with at least some steps moving towards that you're fine
/r/seduction27/06/13 07:55 PM
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I want to make it simple for men who cold approach. Usually an indirect situational opener is best if you know how to escalate sexually and with good kino. Direct is second best because you're getting your intentions out there even though it is more of a filter like you said. Indirect on its own is not that great.
/r/seduction03/06/13 01:43 AM
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Daygame and online game. The former can enable you to talk to girls as you go about your day in a relaxed state and the latter creates meet ups that are almost always 1 on 1
/r/seduction14/04/13 08:26 AM
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This is what I do. To be social enough, to get enough women to enjoy my time with, to become good enough. All under the radar without having to be that stereotypical loud ultra social guy. That is the dream.
/r/seduction18/03/13 11:11 PM
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Good point but if she's really into you she either calls or loses out That outcome independence
/r/seduction15/02/13 09:32 PM
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So you'll let some social norm stuff get in the way of a girl obviously into you? If she's really into you she'll make the call and if not it's her loss.
/r/seduction15/02/13 08:53 PM
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Social proof helps and keeping things casual helps as well. In places like a gym or while a girl is working, this is why it is better to give your business card so that there is no pressure. If she is interested in any way or form, she'll contact you.
/r/seduction14/02/13 11:18 PM
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Yeah I prefer daygame too
/r/seduction06/02/13 04:38 PM
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It's only weird if you come off weird. If you need more practice with daygame and still fear that you can go to another campus or the city. Once you have basic social skills 99 percent of the time you brighten someone's day at the very least
/r/seduction30/01/13 10:29 PM
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Can I truly crash and burn so badly that I creep out the whole campus? I have four months. How bad can it get? I will never know. Anyone know others who have taken to this undertaking? I just want to talk strategy and then implement it. Daygamer here. If your campus has 8000 girls which puts the campus at maybe 15000 people, then I'd say it won't matter. You have nothing to lose as long as you talk to girls respectfully like they're already your friends except the benefit is that you can be even…
/r/seduction30/01/13 12:20 PM
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If you enjoy bars, then start going later when it "picks up" as you say because you know your limit. You either come 30 min early to prepare for your energy being drained or come 1-2 hours later when it's already picked up so your energy meter is full when it's picked up. If not, then there are other venues to meet women that are optimal for introverts like daygame for example.
/r/seduction27/01/13 11:16 AM
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I wonder if the negative experiences are making you revert more to having a 2nd wave of anxiety. I would suggest rebuilding the momentum, talk to someone to talk to someone and no other reason. The problem with so many here is they think it's lay or bust when in reality there are so many reasons outside of yourself that it doesn't work out. Stop with the pressure and just talk to people and see where it goes. Then reflect on that and improve it next time.
/r/seduction15/01/13 06:24 AM
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I'm thinking you're putting too much pressure on yourself. Like anything else that has a creative output you need to take a break once in a while. Based on what you said, practice conversing with people, everyday normal people while doing your daily errands because it takes practice to think on your feet or allow yourself to be okay with "something short of a witty reply"
/r/seduction15/01/13 06:14 AM
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You can find a girlfriend without being so outgoing. You have to be social enough though. The biggest myth is thinking you have to be really extroverted to have success with women. You need to put yourself out there enough to meet more women where one could potentially become a girlfriend. I meet women by going to the occasional house party from acquaintances and daygame. Maybe to OP this means going out once a week and trying to meet new people and it is up to OP to find the right method for hi…
/r/seduction09/01/13 12:37 AM
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However, it's absolutely NOT necessary to become a "life of a party". Learn to love yourself and have fun with talking people while still being introverted. Sounds contradictory? not really. This. The only thing I'd like to add is you need to find a way to be around people including girls. Hobby group, daygame, bars, online, friends of friends. that is your choice
/r/seduction29/12/12 04:26 AM
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Thanks for looking out for my well being. I do use your mindset. Approaching a girl is already success. I am just telling how my experiences are; 10% is a rate even the best have in Daygame cold approach and my experiences have only reinforced this. It's just an objective way of measuring it has no emotional value to me
/r/seduction23/11/12 09:18 PM
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Tell them why you're talking to them like I find you cute I wanted to talk for a couple min I'm ____
/r/seduction23/11/12 06:27 AM
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She told you it's unstable. Your choice. Personally I don't like girls that need me to prove I am better than her current bf so I don't but it's up to your moral code
/r/seduction23/11/12 02:23 AM
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10% is a number I aim for from meeting to date or hangout or something more in daygame. So many outside variables besides this so 10% is good. I would say that his looks matter to make it easier like the 1-2 min part but if you attract a girl with your words any well dressed stylish man can get to 10%
/r/seduction23/11/12 02:20 AM
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Daygame cold approach is 5-15% date or hangout of all girls you approach as a rule. Even the best have this ratio. Lots of outside variables you can't control. I don't like building a huge social circle so I do this and accept those odds.
/r/seduction22/11/12 10:43 PM
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Social value means status and status is one of the traits women find attractive. Build social value with the type of girls you want to meet. I like cute girls that feed off more relaxed conversations and build my personality that way which is high value to those girls. If it is low to other types of girls that's okay! I'm comfortable with my high social value with some girls.
/r/seduction22/11/12 10:30 PM
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Even if this is true then find the girls that don't follow this particular pattern. The majority of a culture or area may do this but it is never 100%
/r/seduction22/11/12 10:02 AM
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Imagine letting your fear get in the way of making the day of a lonely girl. Imagine letting your fear get in the way of the women you want to meet. Imagine letting your shame get in the way of offering pleasure to another human being. That visualization helps me. Wow I robbed that girl out of a respectful conversation that couldve led to a date or hangout all because of my own mental conflict? That's terrible For friends and family and co workers who are curious you can tell them it's socializi…
/r/seduction22/11/12 09:57 AM
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If a girl has a boyfriend I check to see when she says it. If she says it right away I thank her upfrontness and leave. If a girl tells about her bf 10 minutes into the convo then decide your moral code. Personally i dont like drama so i let them go. Girls that talk about boyfriend right away or a lot are just into them too much. Girls that talk about their bf later either want your attention or want to see if you're better than her bf and will make a move on her regardless, again depends on wha…
/r/seduction22/11/12 09:36 AM
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Practice jogging up to girls. Make sure they have space to feel comfortable and tell them upfront you had to talk to them.
/r/seduction21/11/12 11:04 PM
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off topic but what kind of game do you run? Just bars or day game or what? I can relate to many of your posts
/r/seduction21/11/12 09:34 AM
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race matters. However it depends on where you live, why subculture of women you're going for and other variables to know HOW much it matters. California hipsters? Not as much as other types of people on average
/r/seduction21/11/12 08:32 AM
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Yeah it's true, unfortunately online dating is very narrow scope looking where girls either want attention, 6+ men, or just some magical prince. This is why I talk to girls in person to be confident and prove that stereotype crap wrong
/r/seduction19/11/12 05:42 AM
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Work with what you can change. If you break the stereotype then some girls will be intrigued Asian guy myself, I've been romantically involved with women of many different ethnicities
/r/seduction19/11/12 01:25 AM
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Then guess traits bout the women, they either correct you or say "how did you know?" and then the convo is about them Dress well and look your best before going out the door. Rare that girls will open you but possible so just look your best
/r/seduction10/11/12 03:12 AM
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I just want to know that I can be completely open to anyone I meet. Slowly make honest observations to women you are attracted to. You're already on your way talking about the weather for a start. Then maybe the next one is clothes. Then the next one is the city. Then the next one is how soft her hands are when you shake her hand. Then the next one is how attractive she is.
/r/seduction08/11/12 10:05 PM
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I carry quotes in my wallet
/r/seduction08/11/12 07:28 AM
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Ideally I would do a few a day with girls that attract you the most while working on one specific part of the process. Too little makes you progress too slow, too much makes you fatigued and frustrated. My 0.02
/r/seduction08/11/12 07:17 AM
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If you feel nervous, tell her, "OK, I'm kind of nervous, but you're cute and I wanted to meet you." Your mind will be BLOWN by how often women respond positively to this. Sure they won't fuck you, but they'll appreciate your honesty and it will actually be incredibly encouraging -- far more encouraging that constantly feeling like you have to fake who you are and still get rejected for it. I wish this was higher, this is probably the most important reply in the whole thread
/r/seduction07/11/12 07:34 PM
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She asks for MY name and where my class is. Girl asks you personal stuff means interest
/r/seduction18/10/12 09:28 PM
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Social is good but it's not seduction. This is why I don't mindlessly follow extroverted advice. I don't need to talk to everyone to get interactions with girls
/r/seduction17/10/12 07:04 AM
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Then at least build options by talking to a lot of girls. So even if you get attached, if a girl loses attraction or you make a mistake, there are other girls that are also interested.
/r/seduction14/10/12 07:44 PM
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Good post building this ARV builds a mindset of more opportunity
/r/seduction07/10/12 08:04 AM
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Go out, talk to everyone
/r/seduction07/10/12 08:02 AM
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Buried in headphones = motion for her to take her headphones out and tell her straight up, "I couldn't help but notice you're really ___ and I wanted to talk to you." If delivered confidently, then majority of the time the girl will like it. If she gets frustrated cause you interrupted her, apologize, move on to the next girl.
/r/seduction07/10/12 07:58 AM
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Couldn't have said it better myself
/r/seduction07/10/12 01:47 AM
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Some females want one night stands. I've been with a couple that only wanted that. Many females only want a long term relationship. I dated a couple of girls with that in mind as well. People want different things.
/r/seduction06/10/12 06:48 PM
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That's an awesome way of going about it. I tend to go for the girls that I know wouldn't be going around the club/bar scene but context matters. If she is in my class there is no need to ask for the # the first time
/r/seduction01/10/12 12:31 AM
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Awesome. I agree, I only go up to girls that are so attractive that I need to at least have a conversation with them.
/r/seduction30/09/12 06:52 PM
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My advice is read up what others have fun, test it out. Fail. Try another way. Fail again. Then finally take what works and what doesn't then fail and succeed
/r/seduction30/09/12 08:49 AM
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Reputation matters (so you can either do it at another campus when you practice) but it depends on OP to know himself if he really wants to network or actually get #s. I have gotten romantic flings, dates, anything in between by talking to girls on campus.
/r/seduction30/09/12 08:48 AM
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Knowledge of beers, tennis, 5ks, pool, volunteering, meditation, and talking to girls.
/r/seduction26/09/12 08:09 AM
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You framed yourself as a challenge off the bat already by not giving into her crap with that party texts
/r/seduction26/09/12 07:09 AM
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Look up cold reading. That will help with your conversation skills. Give yourself props for approaching, not everyone can do it.
/r/seduction26/09/12 04:56 AM
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In my experience, if you're attracted to them or not matters If they're average or hot by society standards doesn't matter. It only matters if you're into them physically. Besides that, you need to tell me a bit more as to what your convo consists of. I'm guessing you show no sexual intent, which causes girls to be turned off. Even if you want them as friends, you need to build some comfort and rapport. Let me know what the convo consists of.
/r/seduction25/09/12 11:59 PM
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It seems that then you would be making women too much of a priority. The funny thing is that "loving the challenge of cold approach and walking around the city" is my mission. There are no ties to any results. I can say with a straight face that talking to 10 girls with no success and 10 girls with 10 #s would retain the same mood. Of course there are other passions but talking to girls can be one as long as you don't put your emotions on external results.
/r/seduction25/09/12 08:07 PM
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Exactly, it's just like anything else, drugs, being a lazy bum, whatever. Do too much of it and it'll harm you in the long run. Moderation of any activity is important. But yes we all deserve to build the lifestyle we want.
/r/seduction25/09/12 08:04 PM
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Too many guys become obsessed with pickup and make it their priority. Instead, they should be building a lifestyle that they love and that people will want to be a part of. This is a bit flawed. What if talking to girls and loving the challenge of cold approach and walking around the city is a hobby in itself? Just because it isn't a typical activity automatically means that's a bad priority? I understand if you're only doing that but it would be wrong to say it couldn't be a hobby or a part of …
/r/seduction25/09/12 05:43 AM
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Life is too short to make pickup your only and #1 priority. start immediately building your lifestyle. What if pickup is an important part of my lifestyle and well-being? Obviously it isn't the only thing but it's like a hobby. There's no need to forcibly say that pickup can't be a hobby.
/r/seduction25/09/12 05:28 AM
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Confidence is most important. The only reason why douches get farther is cause they're still expressing themselves without any restraint. That is seen by some as confidence (even mistakenly) but it takes confidence to not hold yourself back. So you don't have to be a douche but you need to have the confidence to do what you want whenever.
/r/seduction23/09/12 11:11 PM
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I talk to girls during my daily duties. If I go to the grocery, I look for attractive girls. If I go to the coffee shop to look for jobs, I see if the cute barista looks bored and maybe wants a conversation. I also walk around the city to talk to girls as a hobby, which is something I like doing. If you like doing it, go for it. If you don't, then don't. Same with bars, clubs, coffee shops, whatever.
/r/seduction22/09/12 10:50 PM
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Anyone have any tips for breaking through this kind of shitty mind block? Tell them you're into them or they're attractive with a "matter of fact" delivery Edit: There is a difference between telling them as a matter of fact vs telling them in a needy way. Directly opening women has changed my success rate.
/r/seduction22/09/12 07:44 PM
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I accept myself enough to know I am introverted. Therefore I do things my own way. I find the type of girls that are less into the high energy dudes and focus on getting with the less extroverted girls as well. I have been described as a "silent charmer who should talk more" No need to talk more, you need to find the girls that like that calm, stoic confidence.
/r/seduction22/09/12 07:43 PM
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Looks matter but differentiate yourself and results still happen. An ugly guy with a crazy fashion sense and confidence will get some girls. Like you say, be one of a kind
/r/seduction17/09/12 08:46 AM
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This is why OKCupid is tough
/r/seduction17/09/12 08:36 AM
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Opens are legit, need to go past the small talk
/r/seduction16/09/12 09:20 PM
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As long as you understand to give the girl space and see her comfortable to start the interaction then talk like the confident (or aspiring confident) male you are, then there is no creeper
/r/seduction16/09/12 09:17 PM
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Cold approaches are okay in college once you're confident in your ability that you are not giving off any creepy vibe. Until then, cold approach outside of the campus you're at
/r/seduction16/09/12 06:38 AM
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Good for dorms. If not in a dorm, this probably doesn't work.
/r/seduction16/09/12 06:37 AM
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Why play a game that you have a lot of competition? Do daygame, there is little competition. Try to find the cute girls that don't go to Greek. Worse case, there are other nearby campuses.
/r/seduction14/09/12 08:55 PM
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This mindset may be the mindset of someone who is mad and "not normal" but some of the great people who lived on this world were first categorized as being this way. You sir are awesome.
/r/seduction08/09/12 07:11 AM
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There is a difference between saying "You're cute" as a needy compliment that needs validation vs saying You're cute as an objective fact. Tone matters
/r/seduction08/09/12 07:10 AM
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A good portion of women a bit chunky cause they can be that big teddy bear
/r/seduction08/09/12 06:24 AM
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Your moral code. Find out what it is. Some men would keep going and charm the girl and have the girl decide which guy is better. Others would keep her as a friend and see if her social circle is cool and let it happen in the future maybe while going for other girls. All depends on your moral code.
/r/seduction06/09/12 08:14 AM
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Promoting a fake 'I don't care' attitude. Don't care about the trivial crap like what strangers think about what you're doing talking to girls all day. Care about the only thing that matters: What you want and the women who have proven themselves worthy. Lack of choosiness/there's plenty more women. There are plenty of interesting women out there, you just need to partake in finding the ones that are. Sifting through the uninteresting ones is the only way to find the interesting ones.
/r/seduction02/09/12 11:51 PM
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Just like anything else: Style, confidence, whatever else. Muscles matter as one of the many factors that add a positive to your whole persona.
/r/seduction02/09/12 11:42 PM
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Still can use them for social circles and meeting people
/r/seduction02/09/12 11:27 PM
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Adding on to this comment: Figure out what you want from all of this. Do you want to lay 100 girls? Then obviously you'll have to put that romantic stuff in the backburner. Do you want to find the right girl for a long term relationship? Make sure she's the type into long term stuff too. Do you want to lay some girls while looking for the right one? Adjust your mindset to what you want with each girl.
/r/seduction01/09/12 07:43 AM
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Calculated risk
/r/seduction01/09/12 07:19 AM
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If I could do college all over again, I would do this. Worst case you get nothing out of it. Best case you get invited to all of the parties and such.
/r/seduction31/08/12 06:18 PM
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CHALLENGE THE NORMS. As long as you're not putting anyone in any physical danger, you must challenge the norms.
/r/seduction31/08/12 09:52 AM
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To combine the two, I'm talking about deeper things after building the comfort and rapport. At the same time, I'm making sure that the girl knows this is sexual by escalating nonverbally. It's basically fusing the genuine connection-sexual state-comfort all in one perfectly sound blend and it really attracts some girls. Of course there's variation in all people, just keep this in the back of your mind. Ever consider the word "date" has a heavy implication? For many girls, I like saying it's a ha…
/r/seduction28/08/12 05:24 PM
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I disagree, it depends on the girl. Some girls like straightforward stuff, others like things to be untold with nonverbals
/r/seduction28/08/12 05:12 PM
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Work on stuff you can control, get fit, get a style consistent with yourself, then know you did your best. Like your best self
/r/seduction27/08/12 07:22 AM
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I am not an attractive guy and all Inner game, work on this. If I were at parties, I'd bring a wing or some friends, if you show you're having fun she'll like to hang around you more. There could be other stuff going on here like meeting shallow people but try those first
/r/seduction27/08/12 06:19 AM
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It's true. If you're passionate about something that the girl likes also, you will talk about that subject in a way that makes her attracted. This may not work for all girls but I've seen it with some women that I hang out with that end up getting into me
/r/seduction25/08/12 06:27 PM
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I gotta say girls get a little freaked/nervous when you go for a direct opener. Only if you're freaked out and nervous too
/r/seduction25/08/12 05:50 PM
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Based on HOW you say it, your inner game is still of, you need to be a godly delivery and confidence to do well in daygame. Keep at it but write down what you need to work on at the same time.
/r/seduction23/08/12 06:28 AM
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Daygame works. That commenter needs more confidence in the delivery for it to work.
/r/seduction23/08/12 06:27 AM
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I want to add: if you want to get to know her emotionally make sure to escalate physically too. So the double desire is achieved.
/r/seduction23/08/12 01:17 AM
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Yeah, tons of variables in general. You only approaching sorority girls or models? Gonna probably be less than if you approach any girl you think you'd like to show a good time. How confident you are from girl to girl, how she sees your look, how her mood is, etc.
/r/seduction22/08/12 09:17 PM
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Janka's method is to save time and it works with his looks and height. 10% is reasonable considering he stays for 90 seconds at most. I usually stay 5 minutes and do things more directly, no-nonsense, take it or leave it. So even if it may seem impossible to go above 10%, I think it is. It also helps knowing what type of women will be more open to seeing you as a possibility.
/r/seduction22/08/12 08:43 PM
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It's true, once people find their confidence, better things happen to them I agree with that
/r/seduction22/08/12 04:44 AM
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Cool story bro, you had the looks already but it took you until college to figure out you had it. As much as I believe looks only matter a little, this story is too good to be true for EVERY guy to have it.
/r/seduction22/08/12 01:41 AM
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Based on what you tell me you have the look but do you make the woman feel comfortable? Even if a girl is down, if she is still not sure you're safe enough she won't do it.
/r/seduction22/08/12 01:32 AM
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Depends on your method of daygame, I go extremely direct and honest which makes me get 1 in 5 #s but the #s I do get rarely flake. And good that it made your approaches at the bars easier. I bet they are.
/r/seduction22/08/12 01:12 AM
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Do you escalate sexually in a manner that elicits something more casual? Simple as that
/r/seduction22/08/12 12:52 AM
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I enjoy the cold approach a ton. It's more for therapy and a daily rush. I consider it a hobby. Everything else is a bonus. Anyone who thinks of it as a hassle because they ONLY want to get some and don't see any of the upsides it gives off like cold sales, meeting strangers to make friends, lots of other benefits like proving to society you don't have to abide by "unwritten" rules.
/r/seduction22/08/12 12:28 AM
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I use game with intense connections. This means I won't go for airheaded girls like you sometimes find in bars or clubs. but more introverted cute intellectual looking girls, sometimes hipsters, sometimes just really interesting looking. I am as honest as possible I state everything I think (except not saying anything negative), if I think she is sexy, I say it once (make sure you're expressing interest sexually), Build commonality as fast as possible, share stories that she can laugh about, get…
/r/seduction21/08/12 07:20 PM
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The tough emotional cost of being in a cold selling like sales push. Some guys will deny that this exists, but once you step off the internet and into real life you have to deal with this, which makes me believe that the guys who are denying it are actually just theorizing on the internet. For a while, yes but then you get better and it's only a tough effort cost. The time taken to arrange to go out with wings in order to support each other in this tough emotional environment. Solo is best from …
/r/seduction21/08/12 06:26 PM
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Depends what you want. Do you want lots of friends? Then any girl would make a lot of sense. Do you want hot dates? Then have some reasonable (main word: reasonable) standard of attraction and still be casual with girls who don't fit that (respectful). Do you want to be open in general? Talk to everyone. It all depends on what you want. I started talking to all girls before but then once I got past my initial AA fears, I only opened girls I was into. My approaches were way better if I thought th…
/r/seduction21/08/12 06:11 PM
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Nice guys that get laid are nice but they lead. They take risks, they stand up for saying what pleases themselves. Be assertive. Most "nice" guys are too scared to do that. Lead and be assertive while staying nice.
/r/seduction19/08/12 07:10 AM
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Approach Apathy: What helps is finding girls you're really physically attracted to or who seems real unique to help raise your vitals to want to approach. Apathy comes from seeing girls that aren't attractive enough to make you want to actually approach.
/r/seduction19/08/12 05:54 AM
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Very few guys want soley to get laid, but they don’t know that yet. This. I wish more men realized this. Lays are nice and everything but if you're coming here solely for that, you're missing out on a lot.
/r/seduction18/08/12 05:09 AM
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If you need to practice off campus at a different one where the reputation doesn't matter, go for it. I have primarily done direct college daytime and gotten quite a few hangouts, dates, etc. so it works. You must learn to be confident when doing this approach and the high risk/high reward it offers.
/r/seduction04/08/12 07:37 PM
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Tell them you have a friend you're visiting there.
/r/seduction04/08/12 07:36 PM
2

To me, cold approaching is therapy. But if it isn't for you, deal with the depression first.
/r/seduction01/08/12 12:26 AM
3

"No more mr nice guy"
/r/seduction09/07/12 02:48 AM
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AGAIN OPPOSING VIEWS THAT BOTH WORK: Some people like IOIs because that's a warm approach where you know your chances are much higher because she is showing you good signals before the approach. Anything else [the girl is shy or talking to someone else] is too much effort. Others don't use IOIs at all and want to open any type of women they want. I'm in this camp and the upside is you have more choice, the downside is that obviously, your success rate will be lower due to sheer randomness, so be…
/r/seduction09/07/12 02:23 AM
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What is more important than being an a-hole or nice or whatever is congruency Women like the asshole because he actually had the guts to say what he felt, not for actually liking what he said.
/r/seduction08/07/12 09:12 PM
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it isn't black and white, be the third type of man, assertive without the douche crap
/r/seduction08/07/12 06:08 PM
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There are different methods out there. There is the MM camp where you need to neg women that are at surface full of themselves but really low self-esteem And then there is the RSD camp where a lot is dictated by your inner game with other techniques (feel good bout you) And then there is the Mark Manson camp where he tries to stick into your brain honesty first and foremost. "The way which you pursue women will determine which ones you end up with." There are other methods too but yes.
/r/seduction07/07/12 07:31 PM
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Let your intentions be known, tell a girl she is attractive, so it cuts the crap, so it's easier she politely rejects you or you go on a date (no friendzone)
/r/seduction29/06/12 12:31 AM
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Appreciate it, I'll keep doing more approaches as that helps. Everything else you said is extremely helpful, keeping an outline of some questions to make her qualify to you.
/r/seduction28/06/12 07:17 AM
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I've seen it but I need to remember what he said, something along the line of "answer your own question" and comment, gotta say things confidently.
/r/seduction28/06/12 05:01 AM
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Thanks for the advice. Yeah expressing your intentions are MORE important in daygame. Direct open helps. I need to remember that, sense of style - sense of self - improvising. I get lost because I got too used to relying on college related comments as a backup, I'll be good with more approaches. Thanks.
/r/seduction28/06/12 02:55 AM
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Open at a close uni nearby where your rep doesn't matter.
/r/seduction28/06/12 02:53 AM
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I've read Day Bang and it's good, let me know when you have and I'll add in some additional feedback about it to you. I like it but there is a few elements he forgot to add on. And thanks. I needed to hear that.
/r/seduction28/06/12 12:16 AM
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Yeah if you keep a balance of making yourself a better you with learning the methods you'll slowly but surely be successful with women. GO AT YOUR OWN PACE, DONT MIND OTHERS, I'm on version 3.5 ish myself.
/r/seduction27/06/12 11:14 PM
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This is r/seduction for a reason. You want to get dates, get dates. Friendships help make it easier through social circle and for good support. But to say NOT dating is wrong too.
/r/seduction27/06/12 12:21 AM
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Keep allowing yourself to fail, as long as you slowly improve on them
/r/seduction26/06/12 09:14 PM
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Awesome, California day game is really cool stuff, especially college aged girls that are really attractive. What helps me is knowing they're attractive to where my vitals feel really into them, so I give them a genuine compliment because I really feel that way. I am in norcal, so that's cool
/r/seduction24/06/12 07:06 AM
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I backed you up because I've personally seen that reaction. It isn't just "You're beautiful" but something really sincere, I mean if she is beautiful she'll take it real well if you look good and act ridiculously confident. Real quick: What city are you in? Just curious, always helps to have feedback of different places.
/r/seduction24/06/12 06:34 AM
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You can still say you're beautiful but you need to add in unique twists. You can't just go in and say "Hi you're beautiful. Let's talk." It's about being more creative with each particular situation: context is important to add a special emphasis to the moment. This is what makes it not canned
/r/seduction24/06/12 05:37 AM
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Yeah I'm just asking in theory. I prefer an attractive girl in her own unique way with smarts as well. Too much smarts: friends. Too much looks only: You either have a one nighter or you don't go for it. Makes sense
/r/seduction24/06/12 12:25 AM
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Thanks, just the comment I needed to get back on track in all aspects of my life, appreciate it
/r/seduction23/06/12 10:23 PM
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Personally I do it too an it's cool as long as you escalate and do more intimate levels of touching later on, don't stay on that one particular move
/r/seduction22/06/12 06:56 PM
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Job + roommate is very doable, I was arguing your own place, especially in a major city, like try getting a $2000 apartment alone in NYC at 23. But I agree if there's a roommate to make it easier.
/r/seduction21/06/12 10:23 PM
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It matters but not as much as you think. For example, if you see a smart girl reading a book and get into an epic intellectual conversation with her. Your other traits don't matter as much because she sees lots of value in your intellect and smarts (of course it depends on the girl). If you see a girl with nice fashion and you look good and know your trends and talk well with fashion the other things won't matter as much if you have raised your value by that conversation.
/r/seduction21/06/12 10:01 PM
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I meant own place as just you. If it's with a roommate and you can find a job/college/whatever in whatever city then so be it. I'm just saying it's overrated for younger women because they can relate. If a girl dictates everything just based on if you got your own place or not, then that's ridiculous.
/r/seduction21/06/12 02:07 AM
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Good tips, although you need to give yourself the ability to fail to get to these 10 points as well. I'd pick being 99% confident as long as I figured out what that 1% is missing after a little trial/error
/r/seduction20/06/12 07:50 PM
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That is a sound reply, I mistook one of your sentences here as sarcastic, thanks for clearing it up. The second one would definitely have more success.
/r/seduction20/06/12 04:47 PM
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For the younger folks where having an own place would be more difficult until mid 20s. Of course, I was only replying because on your other reply, with the forever alone one somewhere else on this thread, it implied that no place = you're forever alone automatically. So misinterpretation is now cleared up Thanks for the post.
/r/seduction20/06/12 04:46 PM
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After a certain age, it would look like a red flag for sure, but if you're working towards it then it shouldn't be that much of an issue except making tougher logistics on a literal level. Especially for girls without their own place
/r/seduction20/06/12 04:34 PM
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That's a bias statement. If I were to learn advanced models of game and had perceived value in other skills (cooking, passionate hobbies, good fashion, etc.) and dated a girl also in her early 20s who doesn't have a place (and hence could relate to the situation, then it's fair game). This is different from a 30 yr old slob living in the basement of his home. I mean if you want to believe your dating success is simply based on owning a place, then by all means
/r/seduction20/06/12 04:26 PM
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No doubt, I was just saying in their early 20s, men can do both, even without a place until their mid 20s when their own place is more manageable
/r/seduction20/06/12 07:49 AM
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Some people love women too much to wait until you have your own place. Just my two cents, I mean it's dating.
/r/seduction20/06/12 07:01 AM
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Try your college campus or a nearby one, almost all girls would love to meet an amazing guy in the daytime for dating, relationships. Bars are for the casual things, daygame can be for that too but is best for dating. Best of luck
/r/seduction20/06/12 02:16 AM
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8 is highly preferred but in my opinion optional for both parties dating under 25. Obviously it makes it harder for anything casual but when it comes to dating, not every person coming out of college will have their own place
/r/seduction20/06/12 01:51 AM
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Body Language is also important, what is your height, how do you look? Also direct method is not the best interest for girls in a cold mood (imagine a girl who is sad or angry or wanting alone time), you need another method to warm her up. Like it doesn't matter if you have a lot of time (she is sitting and both of you have 3-5 minutes to chat, flirt, especially in bars/clubs) but imo street game, you need to do the best you can to dress well, be fit, etc. to show your value at first sight.
/r/seduction19/06/12 07:45 AM
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Thanks for the feedback, that make sense, it always goes back to don't apologize (even passively) for anything you do
/r/seduction18/06/12 07:58 AM
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I agree here. I would try all other game in order to see which you like best. Daygame is made for dating (casual of course) although I know some exceptions too, whereas bars are made for those closes. That's my take.
/r/seduction18/06/12 07:24 AM
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Thanks, what is wrong with random though? Just would like the feedback
/r/seduction18/06/12 07:22 AM
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Perhaps try to find a time when it isn't as busy and just say "Hey, this is random but I find you really ____, I know you're busy right now but I'd like to get to know you more. If you'd like that, how can we continue this?" Yes it may work better for the cool looking, charming, confident people but oh wait all men can be that. So use that
/r/seduction17/06/12 07:23 PM
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Need more details What do you say? How do you open? Is there good eye contact? etc
/r/seduction17/06/12 07:20 PM
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Being I isn't a bad thing in itself; it's when you never take risks due to anxiety. Social anxiety does not equal introversion. It correlates at some points but one doesn't mean the other. Otherwise, props
/r/seduction16/06/12 09:08 AM
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"I'm sorry I have a boyfriend, BUT KEEP DOING THIS, THE COURAGE IS A TURN ON"
/r/seduction16/06/12 07:15 AM
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Only do it with girls you actually want to date. ROFL
/r/seduction16/06/12 07:08 AM
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Find something that the girl is really passionate about through your stories, her stories, whatever. So for example if she is talking a lot about travel, tell her your best traveling trip, then add on common details about your trip and her trip and then watch how you're both extremely comfortable with one another
/r/seduction16/06/12 07:08 AM
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This is better for /r/askseddit You either ask for the # during the approach or you find a reason for her to give you the # like inviting her to a party with a group of friends
/r/seduction05/04/12 09:46 AM
1

Wow. Props.
/r/seduction03/04/12 07:59 AM
1

Be fun and interesting and anyone will want to AT LEAST chat.
/r/seduction01/04/12 02:06 AM
1

"Yes and?"
/r/seduction01/04/12 02:06 AM
3

if at all If you don't kino you risk being friendzoned. The element of touch is an immensely important part of any interaction especially those where there's a potential for anything more than friendship. Look at the kino guide and go up to level 2. High fives longer handshakes for example
/r/seduction29/03/12 11:10 AM
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When you see the cute girl, get into play mode you. And kino more. Be proud for approaching already.
/r/seduction27/03/12 03:42 AM
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When they do come to hangout you need to make the frame as something more than a friend like touching them on their shoulder and lower back, flirting a lot, etc.
/r/seduction24/03/12 09:09 PM
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Hangout with them, make them your friends. Lots of stuff is towards people in college. Create a nice group of friends, including friends that are girls. It'll make it easier to 'hang' 1 on 1 with a girl which is like a date anyways. People in that age range are afraid of dating since it's too "formal" so just ask to hang out or get coffee
/r/seduction24/03/12 11:55 AM
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Your choice. Just need to be on a level field. If they're eating, I'll sit down. If they're just sitting, you could make them stand up. Any method works here and direct delivered well should do great.
/r/seduction23/03/12 09:07 PM
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I No, I don't care if she asks for my name right away, she will eventually. Or if not, you can ask about 5 minutes or so. asks where I was from II Yes, if she asks anything personal about you, then she's interested (unless you're a foreigner but it didn't seem like that) III I'd rather do it the same day, look up that texting guide. Text1: Same evening with an inside joke, Text2 (optional but preferred): Where you text her something you're doing that sounds fun or random, Text3: Pick the day to …
/r/seduction23/03/12 09:51 AM
2

It's the same as being asian. If you're not effected by it, almost nobody else will.
/r/seduction23/03/12 12:24 AM
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If you can't change it, enhance it. The pink shirt works as it shows you're comfortable with yourself. It's just like any other physical trait that polarizes (a different race, being way tall, etc.)
/r/seduction22/03/12 06:20 PM
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Advice: Move on, find another girl.
/r/seduction21/03/12 07:46 PM
2

but theres a sort of fear of awkwardness If the girl is touching you how could it be awkward if you touch her? She touched you first!
/r/seduction21/03/12 08:12 AM
1

Thanks for the tips. Yeah I need to work on direct because if the girl is walking to her class and I only got a minute and she only has a minute then that could be my only chance. I need to remember that confidence can override and overcome many things. I do indirect more because I'd like to show a girl my personality first. But when people are in a rush there's no other choice.
/r/seduction21/03/12 07:40 AM
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Wow. You wrote all that just for my reply. I appreciate that. I do similar indirect stuff (cold reading) and then "I really like your ____" if there's nothing to cold read. I need to try direct stuff more because sometimes if you run up to them, that's your only option. I'll save this somewhere and post it. I'll give you credit unless you want to post it yourself.
/r/seduction21/03/12 07:24 AM
1

Good example. How about when the girl is moving? If you're bold enough, sometimes you need to go for broke even if there's a potential for "awkward" because if you really think about it, there's nothing to lose. (Going direct on campus is only bad if you have like 10 awkward interactions in a row, don't mind 1).
/r/seduction21/03/12 06:43 AM
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but you can maybe get away with it if you're a foreigner. Pretty sure I remember a couple of guys who did well in street game there because they were a foreigner. It's probably more polarizing than in the states since it's like, "Whoa a guy chatting to me when he isn't drunk?"
/r/seduction21/03/12 05:54 AM
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Me: "I'm going to guess you're more introverted" if she isn't asking questions back or talking with a lot of commentary. Then it'll bring up if she is shy or not.
/r/seduction21/03/12 05:48 AM
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I used to do those things. It's interesting because she has to invest some value into you, even if it's extremely subtle.
/r/seduction21/03/12 05:47 AM
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Thanks, this was where I was having problems. I use indirect game sometimes (usually first approaches to give myself momentum for direct), and I didn't know how to convey sexual intent besides going direct.
/r/seduction21/03/12 12:12 AM
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I remember kino-ing a girl for the first time after an hour of interaction. I told her a story that ended with, "Yeah so I had to save women and children" and then demonstrated that I was taking their hand to pull them up. So I took her hand and pulled her up from her seat. Use stories and then kino to display and visualize what is going on in the story
/r/seduction21/03/12 12:09 AM
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I remember chatting with a shy girl. I lead the frame, so I would ask her an open-ended question to open her up. She would say something. Then I would add-on to it. Then there would be silence for 30 seconds. That's fine for shy girls. If they don't leave, it isn't bad. If it feels real awkward, you can state it. "Pretty sure you're introverted. I am too, so let's enjoy this silence together."
/r/seduction20/03/12 06:33 PM
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I'm an introvert and I'm into girls who know how to bring it back, meaning girls who know how to flirt well, shit-test, etc. I flirt back. Her: "Yeah you're not my type." Me: "Well you're like 10th on my list so you don't even need to worry." Etc.
/r/seduction20/03/12 04:00 AM
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Then how do you make yourself become a sexual interest? Is it always about direct frame?
/r/seduction20/03/12 02:53 AM
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Yet, at this point, hanging out or talking about non academic stuff just for the sake of enjoyment would still be kind of weird. I frame conversations when I meet people to be about non-academic stuff right away. "Hi, you know that burger at the cafeteria wasn't that good." Her: "Oh, I'm a vegan." Me: "Okay, so I'm guessing you eat hummus everyday." If it goes back to it that's fine IF the girl is asking about me cause that's showing interest. Of course, you need to be quick with the kino and th…
/r/seduction20/03/12 02:53 AM
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Do you even know what to do after opening? Find a model that works and then adjust it according to your personality and what actually works.
/r/seduction19/03/12 09:44 PM
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Don't get into interview mode. Remember this: Try to see as everything you say has a purpose. Don't joke just for the sake of joking.
/r/seduction19/03/12 08:02 AM
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approach outside of class. if you're in a big city, it shouldn't matter if you make a fool of yourself at first. To the other commenter: social proof is important but for a beginner like the OP, that's not top priority. It's important that he learn to connect with people whether that is through a club (with girls) or cold approaching.
/r/seduction19/03/12 07:59 AM
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Does this apply to daygame? I've seen attractive, interesting girls during the daytime. Also, could be your type of women. If you're into girls that like bros SF may not be the best place. If you're into hipsters, gothic girls, etc. that's a different story.
/r/seduction17/03/12 03:43 AM
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"You're funny" smile Then keep doing whatever you were doing before
/r/seduction16/03/12 07:20 AM
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Yup I had this. How I fought it was having others hold me accountable.
/r/seduction14/03/12 08:51 PM
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I send two texts/calls if no reply then next person.
/r/seduction14/03/12 08:34 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ovaar/since_seductionreview_went_down_i_thought_id/ Conversational Threading.
/r/seduction14/03/12 04:54 PM
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Yeah, be cool with crappy results as long as you figure out what is wrong and then fixing your approach/actions accordingly
/r/seduction14/03/12 08:00 AM
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Glad you found this during the right time. I don't mind failing much either. How to beat "interview mode": Phrase in comments 80% of the time. Everything you say, 80% is in comments. Hi, you're cute had to talk to you. I'm _____ Your shoes are cool. I'm going to guess, [store name]. Her: wow you're right or nope it's _____ Me: I figured. You have good taste though, I would get those shoes too (considering they're unisex). I have shoes of the same color and they're comfortable too. Etc. etc. Noti…
/r/seduction14/03/12 07:40 AM
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Wanted to add: Joy is in the approach cause you can fully control that. The rest is a bonus. (In the beginning at least).
/r/seduction14/03/12 07:19 AM
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Yeah, takes some time to learn. Glad that worked for you. For me, I don't bodybuild cause that's playing a game I don't want to go through but I respect how you found what worked for you and did it.
/r/seduction14/03/12 07:14 AM
1

If 1000 is too high for you, make it 100.
/r/seduction14/03/12 07:08 AM
5

'm nervous they'll think I'm "making a move." I'm nervous that I'll touch them in a way that is awkward. If I do touch, I worry whether or not she thought it was creepy. Start slow. Put your hand on their shoulder for a second, especially when you're making a joke or telling a story. Give high-fives, etc.
/r/seduction14/03/12 07:07 AM
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All I do is daygame. You don't have to combat the loud music at clubs. Just say, "Hi, you're cute. Had to talk to you." then chat like you've known them for a while, tease/flirt/polite kino.
/r/seduction14/03/12 07:03 AM
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Wish I knew this last year but will work with this now.
/r/seduction14/03/12 05:04 AM
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Let her walk past you. Then say, "Wait up, I saw you and noticed you were cute. So I had to meet you, let's chat for a few minutes, I need to see if you're cool"
/r/seduction14/03/12 04:39 AM
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And approaching no matter your state.
/r/seduction14/03/12 04:29 AM
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I believe I'm particularly unattractive. Get confident. It helps. But I'll be one to say looks matter. But 100%? No. More like 30% or so. If you look "average" then maybe your success is lower but you either work with what you got or you create limiting beliefs (which doesn't do anything). Change stuff you can change. If you can't change it, enhance it.
/r/seduction13/03/12 07:48 AM
1

Alright. Thanks again for the insight.
/r/seduction13/03/12 07:39 AM
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Good stuff. No need to add the PS part. I would text her later in the day making an inside joke about all the note passing.
/r/seduction13/03/12 07:16 AM
1

Thanks. I need to try the shoulder thing although I feel it would be good to do it like, "Hi" hand on shoulder "You seem cute, had to talk to you" What do you do when a girl is walking fast and you're behind her? Do you jog up to her and do the thing applied above?
/r/seduction13/03/12 06:54 AM
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You don't have to comment on action, comment on their clothing/style (or hair). I agree with on the phone. You either wait (chat up other folks, do other things) or you don't approach. Same with the napping, that's just too surprising. However with texting, that's different. A girl can be approached when texting because there's no rush for the reply (within a few minutes or so) and a few minutes is all you need. Random question: How do you personally approach moving targets? That would be cool a…
/r/seduction13/03/12 05:13 AM
1

it's the culture. good to know that direct works best on east coast. indirect/direct works well equally here in SF so far. (I do only daytime also)
/r/seduction13/03/12 05:07 AM
1

FRs = reflecting back on your artwork. Back in the beginning it isn't nearly as refined as later on.
/r/seduction13/03/12 03:58 AM
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Don't agree with 1. Just open because most of the time, the girl won't even remember how she came to become your friend/date/long-term/etc. There will be times where it'll be really tough to approach but it doesn't matter. Approaching > Not approaching. 3-9 are all solid
/r/seduction13/03/12 03:55 AM
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Not good to ask her personal stuff that quickly cause it's like you're coming on like interview questions. That's why I ask personal stuff only after they ask me personal stuff. Proves they're invested. Until then I stay on the opening topic and threading on topics from there.
/r/seduction12/03/12 09:09 PM
2

Direct has higher risk, higher reward. I'd expect more flakes from direct but those who do meet up would really be into you right away. What do you talk about in that 5-10 min?
/r/seduction12/03/12 08:12 PM
2

Daygamer also. Reduce flake rate by only interacting for 5-10 min +5-10 if there's an instant date. Hanging out too long drains both parties. How is your model? I usually open with talking about one topic for 1-2 min then chat more personally for a few min. If the girl asks about you first, like where you live and what you do = investment = reduce flake rate. Ex: talk bout her watch, then watches, how I want to buy a watch, her good taste in fashion, where she got her shoes, talk about stores, t…
/r/seduction12/03/12 07:55 PM
4

Good tips. How bout those who need practice for making conversation in a specific way? I have my own way but general tips cab be tough for those who have no idea what to say after hi.
/r/seduction12/03/12 07:44 PM
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This is good for inner game and for those who want to add value. However I would add a point to helping those with conversational method and building attraction.
/r/seduction12/03/12 06:55 PM
1

Yes. That's just around the "average" but the ratios can be different. Higher status = add to the green. And other variables.
/r/seduction12/03/12 07:12 AM
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The red-yellow-green light metaphor: About 50% of girls just won't be into you no matter what you do or how perfect your social skills are. (Red) About 45% of girls will be neutral. (Yellow) 5% of girls will be interested rather quickly. (maybe they have a thing for taller guys or guys of their height or a certain type and you fit it or they like your fashion sense, etc.) (Green) All you're doing is creating/refining the skills to make sure the green lighted interactions go really well (and that…
/r/seduction12/03/12 06:48 AM
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on the right side of this page where it says new here?, guides
/r/seduction12/03/12 12:53 AM
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go to /r/askseddit as it's a place for beginners. All I'll add is this sort of stuff means you signed up for rejection. If you can last through that, you'll get successful through practice. I did an AMA on rejection therapy where your goal is to get rejected to feel it and prove that it isn't the end of the world. Rejection Therapy = get rejected = you win at the game, get a date = you win at life. And realize no one is special. We're all humans and want to chat with people. Some more than other…
/r/seduction12/03/12 12:21 AM
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Okay if you're too scared to go direct and say "Hey you're cute had to talk to you", do my method. Basically it goes, "Hey cool article of clothing. She either says thanks or smiles. --> "Yeah I'm going to guess [store name]. She says where she gets it from or laughs/smiles. Then I say, yeah that's a cool store. You have good style, like a fashion designer. (Notice how there are no questions). Then from fashion designer change the topic, "Oh yeah I had to guess you're a fashion designer, besides…
/r/seduction11/03/12 07:36 PM
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In the future you should space it out. Inside joke every few days, unpredictable reply timing etc, good luck
/r/seduction11/03/12 10:49 AM
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Just make plans to meet up in real life already. Text game gives you no benefit except possibly friend zoning yourself which you may have done with the chick flick stuff. It may or may not have happened but it doesn't benefit you in either case.
/r/seduction11/03/12 10:35 AM
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Good stuff. Walking around adds different backgrounds which is good too. Lots of places associated with you
/r/seduction11/03/12 09:20 AM
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They're scattered because it depends on other variables. Do you like the daytime or the nightclubs? Is it a cold approach or a friend of a friend? Etc.
/r/seduction11/03/12 06:37 AM
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Confidence is good in terms of self-esteem, you need that. But that in itself doesn't mean success in conversations. You need both conversational skill and inner confidence.
/r/seduction11/03/12 04:44 AM
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Hype means being so focused on state and inner game that one doesn't find out how to learn conversation skills and building attraction. Imagine being confident inside but being unable to communicate that to a cute girl. Like that thread where people have guts to say hi but don't know where to go after that
/r/seduction11/03/12 02:53 AM
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TL;DR learn the conversational, rapport, and attraction skills and don't overdo the hype. Then approach with those skills to get results. I agree with the part where no results means less effort means less motivation. Inmer game is important but you need an outline of what to do or else it's a guessing game with low positive results. An outline increases those results. Which outline? Find the best for you.
/r/seduction10/03/12 10:25 PM
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"Alright, I better get going. Nice meeting you." walks away
/r/seduction10/03/12 07:56 PM
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Hang out on campus/around campus. Maybe a cool bar or a nice coffee place in/near campus.
/r/seduction10/03/12 07:50 PM
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Not weird if you're around the same age.
/r/seduction10/03/12 11:43 AM
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The problem is, the things I really enjoy doing are not interesting or impressive to other people, and that's kinda fucking with my head. That's a bad assumption. Be passionate about the stuff you do because it makes you look certain and confident in your own life. Chat about stories from your own life. Interesting people have a lot of weird stories. It doesn't have to be surfing or skydiving. It could be, "Yeah I was coding one day when all of a sudden I saw someone in need. I gave them $5 beca…
/r/seduction10/03/12 10:25 AM
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good to hear that, I'll try more direct stuff
/r/seduction10/03/12 01:58 AM
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This is too long for okcupid. I've used it to message many different girls and the best bet is short/sweet (2-4 sentences per message) for a couple of messages, ask for # by 3rd message. Also, giving YOUR number helps with okcupid sometimes.
/r/seduction10/03/12 01:13 AM
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Good point.
/r/seduction09/03/12 09:08 PM
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Yeah if you stay in that type of kino too long, it becomes comfortable to the girl because that's where the bar is set, so it's framed that way (as friends)
/r/seduction09/03/12 07:27 PM
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Welcome to daygame. Find joy in approaching and you'll never leave a convo in a negative way. Everything else is just massive bonus.
/r/seduction09/03/12 02:51 PM
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Glad you wrote this. Sometimes you may never get the IOIs and you need to go take a chance anyways.
/r/seduction09/03/12 11:33 AM
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Not everyone can bluff their way to winning when they're beginning
/r/seduction09/03/12 10:36 AM
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When something bad happens, like a flake or a girl picks another guy, etc. I feel drained too. I'll let myself feel drained for the rest of the day. Then next day, I go back up and say, "Do I want to feel lousy just because I'm not doing so well? or Do I want to keep trying?" Of course I'll keep trying [poker metaphor wasn't the best; I stand corrected]
/r/seduction09/03/12 04:44 AM
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Night/clubs - early on. Comfort is built on the atmosphere/people know they will get hit on. Day - after a few minutes. Comfort is built from a good, friendly conversation first.
/r/seduction08/03/12 05:57 PM
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My happiness comes from simply approaching because I've given myself a shot, the rest has tons of variables but the approach means a chance.
/r/seduction08/03/12 05:29 PM
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That's why you need to accept silence NOT as awkward. Silence is actually a good thing, it lets the girl really get into you when you're calm trying to think of what next to talk to her about. If you can't, just look at her in the eyes and smile like you're amazing, then COMMENT on anything.
/r/seduction08/03/12 05:03 PM
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Yeah, each approach (fail or success) is another memory in your mind that nothing bad will happen to you physically or mentally (after learning to be immune to rejection).
/r/seduction08/03/12 09:04 AM
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go to /r/okcupid and they'll help you with the profile/messages there.
/r/seduction08/03/12 08:13 AM
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Approach.
/r/seduction08/03/12 08:12 AM
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Depends on the girl. Imagine saying "Hi" to an introverted girl that would otherwise be amazing. She doesn't know you're amazing yet doesn't want to invest and talk to you (she's an introvert) or a girl that is tired, etc. So while it works at times, I would add a purpose to the conversation
/r/seduction08/03/12 12:36 AM
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What practical steps have you guys taken to create this, did you join dance classes or that sort of thing? Did you just really hammer down on day game and make the most out of the opportunities that were there already? Yeah you answered it. Either join a hobby group, club, meetup.com group and make friends or go indirect in daygame where you're talking like friends first. The former is easier of course but the latter lets you get all sorts of attractive girls from all sorts of groups.
/r/seduction07/03/12 06:46 PM
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I agree if she is hardcore like that as well, so it's good to ask her first. If she's the type you know is into the top 40 only, there's no point.
/r/seduction07/03/12 06:28 AM
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I like how this can relate to guys approaching too. Anybody approaching: Do it with a radiant smile, confidence, and a vibe of non-neediness and you're good to go.
/r/seduction07/03/12 05:53 AM
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my attempt to talk to her further was kind of...a fail You're overthinking it or she really wasn't comfortable yet. When a girl in the daytime isn't comfortable with you, she can't get interested enough to want to get coffee or whatever else with you. Need to build more comfort by chatting more. Don't be afraid to work with boring questions and adding interesting commentary to lead it into fun stuff. "What's your major? --> Sociology?! You're gonna save all the crazy people. Success. Awesome. sh…
/r/seduction07/03/12 05:43 AM
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Eye contact is important and it helps quite a bit in starting interactions but I've gotten interactions without it. Just know that eye contact makes it easier.
/r/seduction07/03/12 02:33 AM
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I go for girls my same height. I would think it gets tougher for a tall girl after a certain point because usually (always exceptions) she will want a taller guy. However I'm sure 1-3 inches can be overcome with good personality traits
/r/seduction07/03/12 12:07 AM
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TL;DR 0 for girls you're not into, 1 for girls you're into. Be confident and you'll be more successful.
/r/seduction06/03/12 11:21 PM
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Then the first two make more sense. Or she could be wanting to have more friend elements (like building more rapport). Or maybe wanting long-term stuff before another makeout. lots of things going on here.
/r/seduction06/03/12 08:34 PM
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Lots of things. She could be overcompensating for the fact that she made out with you right away. She could be curious that you're not chasing her and is challenged by your lack of effort once she said friends. Maybe she is talking as friends. All depends on more context.
/r/seduction06/03/12 08:20 PM
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Stop thinking she's "perfect" and find girls that are similar to her. When you're dating multiple girls, you don't have the time or care for oneitis
/r/seduction06/03/12 07:52 PM
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Example below is threading (the girl replies with a laugh or "thanks" each time). Hi --> Cool watch. What brand? --> Nice. I like [brand] also because they have bright colors. Your watch has a cool color scheme. It's really unique from everything you see now. --> Then again your whole fashion style works really well with that watch. Let me guess, you're a model for H&M. Her: Oh no, I just wore this because it was a gift.--> [Now you can go with H&M/her style/talk about gifts]
/r/seduction06/03/12 07:57 AM
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However, it just happens to me when I find someone attractive For me, attractiveness means that they have a chance with me. The rest is on their personality, etc. So what's the pressure when they have to win me over vs. me winning them over? I suppose it comes with experience What also helps is looking at every attractive girl in the eyes until she looks away. Only do it once and say, "Hi" (which can help to talk to them too).
/r/seduction06/03/12 07:52 AM
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For me personally, clubs are a horrible place to pick-up. I've found the quality of women better outside at coffee shops and walking around in the daytime but I have a certain type anyways. Confidence is almost everything. There is also vibe. For example, a girl told me within 40 seconds that she was extremely sarcastic. So I held that tone to add tons of tension. It worked nicely. Talk about whatever you want. It is weird though, with all 4 girls I am seeing, I talk about totally different subj…
/r/seduction06/03/12 07:45 AM
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This. Indirect in classrooms because if you crash/burn, then you're doomed to have to see her everyday. Also, indirect means making friends and who doesn't want a friend (at first)? Then go into making it something more than that to not get friendzoned.
/r/seduction06/03/12 07:37 AM
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It doesn't account for "available" girls in open relationships I bet. Also, since California = more open to experiences, there's probably a lower threshold to be in a relationship.
/r/seduction06/03/12 07:31 AM
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people open to new experiences in LA. More open = more likely to be in any sort of relationship therefore they're not single? Perhaps.
/r/seduction06/03/12 07:30 AM
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<90000 is nothing. Considering the whole LA-Long Beach-Santa Ana area has 10 million people, around 25% (2.5 mil) in ages 18-34 (ages 20-34 add up to 22.5%) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_metropolitan_area So if half are taken, that leaves you at 1.25 million. That's simply saying instead of being split down the middle at 612.5k women/612.5k men single, it's 657.5k men/567.5k women. So worse case, that's about 57%-43% male to female ratio.
/r/seduction06/03/12 07:28 AM
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hanging around him actually increases your DHV You have social epic social proof if your good friend is a dj.
/r/seduction05/03/12 07:12 AM
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Her friend is there for comfort purposes. But you've proven yourself as fun and attractive so she brought her friend to make things comfortable for herself.
/r/seduction04/03/12 11:42 PM
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So, I have decided to try my hand at the day game. Try this for daygame: "Hey found you cute had to come talk to you" Delivery is all you need. As for your morals/ethics, if you don't want to get with a girl that drunk or even with girls from parties, follow what's good to you. For me, I don't like clubs/parties much so I don't force myself. Everyone has different wants and paths to the same thing
/r/seduction04/03/12 09:46 PM
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yet I can't seem to convince myself that it would ever work for me. You'll never know unless you actually try it out. Allow yourself to get burned multiple times at first. Think about it this way: Will you allow your fear of rejection get in the way of you meeting your future girlfriend? One example to help you: "Hi you're really cute had to talk to you. I'm ____ you?" "Nice name, charming. Yeah so what brings you to this awesome area? ____ is a great place to be because ______" ---then keep tal…
/r/seduction04/03/12 08:40 AM
2

Direct is polarizing. More risk, more reward.
/r/seduction04/03/12 08:28 AM
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Do you have any activities that'll accustom me to rejection? What do you want? Do you want to get dates? Do you want friends? Do you want bubble gum? Figure out what you want. Then ask for it. BOOM rejected or you get what you want.
/r/seduction03/03/12 08:55 AM
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Imagine your whole life as an act on stage... Everything is now easier.
/r/seduction03/03/12 05:38 AM
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haven't had a meaningful conversation with anyone in person for months. I don't feel more sad or lonely but I do feel like the world is moving past while I'm frozen in place. It's like I'm in hibernation mode. Join a club/frat/meetups http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/qdosh/new_favorite_opener_hey_you_look_really_cute_i/ How to directly approach girls you want to talk to. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/qcpu1/how_i_destroyed_daytime_aa/ How to get over approach anxiety and st…
/r/seduction03/03/12 05:37 AM
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Silence doesn't have to be awkward. Enjoy the silence. Or maybe you two didn't vibe. It happens. And make an outline of what you want to do so you could try to steer it back into that.
/r/seduction03/03/12 04:46 AM
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Definitely. I actually am for really good conversations that last 5-10 min. Then I get the # if we vibe well. If not, I won't ask for it. If there isn't enough time, I'll ask for it if that's my best shot and I see potential. If not, I don't. All depends for me.
/r/seduction03/03/12 02:48 AM
2

If in a joking way, that's actually a good response.
/r/seduction03/03/12 02:47 AM
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PM me any questions, I'd love to answer
/r/seduction03/03/12 01:32 AM
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Cheers. I use an indirect method on campus more but definitely want to try direct.
/r/seduction02/03/12 06:39 PM
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even on a college campus? I guess it's time to find out. tries this out
/r/seduction02/03/12 06:02 PM
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Needy - needing a certain result/outcome/reaction to happen for your happiness.
/r/seduction02/03/12 07:20 AM
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You need to comment about things honestly. I'm not about results as much as I am about connecting with cool people and building up the tension and then seeing where that leads. If being authentic costs me some things, I wouldn't trade anything. Today I went up to a girl and asked her bout the book she was reading --> Then become about life philosophy --> Then metaphysical stuff --> Then other stuff. Much better than mundane interview q's
/r/seduction02/03/12 07:20 AM
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Many of my approaches are about giving value. If a girl is about to get on a bike for example, the best value I can give is making her smile (unless I really like her in which case I'll go direct and tell her what's up)
/r/seduction02/03/12 06:54 AM
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Glad you asked. It depends on the person. Indirect works well for me because I know my value is with my sarcasm and humor, so I want to show that first.
/r/seduction02/03/12 06:52 AM
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Took me a while to figure this out. Of course, when they can relate you are good. Say the mocha is good if they have a mocha too.
/r/seduction02/03/12 05:05 AM
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When a girl is sitting that works. When she is walking, you'll need to jog to her and go direct. That's the only option when the girl walks by and is ahead of you (from what I've seen)
/r/seduction01/03/12 08:40 PM
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I bet she would've laughed. Trust me, 99% of girls would have laughed at that or at least smiled. Trust yourself and respect yourself enough to give yourself a shot with these beautiful strangers.
/r/seduction01/03/12 06:39 PM
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Direct is cool. I personally feel more success with indirect although it's always good to have all tools in your toolbox at disposal
/r/seduction01/03/12 06:12 PM
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When you see someone you want to talk to, you have 3 seconds to talk to them before your brain starts making excuses to not talk to them. Therefore just doing it within the first 3 seconds makes it easier for beginners.
/r/seduction01/03/12 06:06 PM
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Glad you asked. One time I said, "Nice black shoes." when they weren't so special. Openers are overrated, just get talking. But if you want a clear answer: Talk about something else near her. Like her laptop or coffee. However, if there really is nothing. You can be like "Hi, this mocha sucks." (If you use your own thing, you'll have to talk more though).
/r/seduction01/03/12 09:21 AM
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If you can't work your way through AA then you have this option. Better for daygame too. We will probably agree to disagree. I did this to get over anxiety not to get laid at the time. It destroys AA. You can't use any method if you can't even approach.
/r/seduction01/03/12 01:25 AM
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Attachment sucks but ppl need a certain goal to approach novel situations which is where rejection comes in. It gives a certain goal point. Not everyone can start with outcome independence like that
/r/seduction01/03/12 01:04 AM
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When I did this (last year), I wasn't nearly as knowledgeable about how to converse with girls, so 10 was a lot considering it was the first time I really did stuff like that.
/r/seduction29/02/12 05:58 PM
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Not really a streak. Sometimes people would say yes and it would shock me but nothing like that many days in a row.
/r/seduction29/02/12 11:15 AM
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Say "Hi" in the mirror 100 times. Make moving your mouth not so awkward or weird. Then say "Hi" to 10 people. Once you feel comfortable with that then upgrade to "Hey hows it going" to 10 more people. Then start the game when the AA is moderate only.
/r/seduction29/02/12 08:52 AM
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Not really but it made me realize people are friendly most of the time. So it changed my behavior towards people. Many social aspects: conversing, talking to older people, younger people, etc. But especially cold approach. Other areas can carry into it: Networking, getting a job, so yeah, it helps a lot.
/r/seduction29/02/12 07:02 AM
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I've been doing something currently but it's almost complete, I'll let seddit know when it's done :)
/r/seduction29/02/12 06:45 AM
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Awesome, go for it, even if it sounds like fun. Difficult but that's why my first 6 were sort of "easy." Then I hit the breakthrough on day 7. It does get easier. 3-5 friends. (No dates because like I said, I didn't understand comfort at the time and no comfort means the girl really can't get her # to you, unless you're Adonis) Rejection hurts but the idea you can have a chance (even if it's slight) with almost any girl overrides the pain of rejection for me. I thought of it as a layer to regula…
/r/seduction29/02/12 05:25 AM
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Positive effects: If I feel nothing to rejection or very little to rejection then what's stopping me from asking beautiful women out on dates? What's stopping me from asking amazing people for a favor? What's stopping me from emailing cool bloggers and getting their replies? Etc. Each rejection is like a data center. You have more and more memories that you went through and you're still here, doing physically well. So it shouldn't be that big of a deal, I'd say after 30 days. But if you stop for…
/r/seduction29/02/12 05:21 AM
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I would stop playing it if they weren't excited but that's just me. Love the tic tac toe request though. It's genius. People will usually comply when it's very low risk, very low reward
/r/seduction29/02/12 05:02 AM
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Smaller requests. Ask for gum. Talk as friends see if they ignore you
/r/seduction29/02/12 03:47 AM
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Did your method occur because of your experience with Mystery/clubs or did it occur because you knew daygame needed a different model?
/r/seduction29/02/12 02:52 AM
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What Sasha says is spot on. For college daygame, I like indirect but when you have no choice (moving target, nothing else to say), go direct. Only wanted to add my two cents about something I do a lot of
/r/seduction29/02/12 02:49 AM
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make it count; make sure youre going out of comfort zone. roommates could be too comforting
/r/seduction29/02/12 02:39 AM
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I know many who talked about it when rejected but I never did. I would talk more or go on my way. Crazier but it should be real life. All this Internet stuff makes us too comfortable. It costs us opportunities. It's eye opening
/r/seduction28/02/12 10:56 PM
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Weird tense. Telling that was a weird thing I did. You could try it though
/r/seduction28/02/12 10:09 PM
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If you have no other way to break through AA then yes. Also it makes you immune to rejection once you figure it's not so bad through exposure.
/r/seduction28/02/12 10:01 PM
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Being shy for 19 years and blown out by a redhead I fell for, it was an amazing adrenaline rush when I chatted to another redhead for 10 minutes even after she rejected me. Like I said it's about destroying AA and not so much results. Come to SF and let me chat with you for an hour then sure.
/r/seduction28/02/12 09:59 PM
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Go around campus or the city. Look around at what opportunities I could go for or create. Figure out what I want. Ask for it. Hot girl? Ask her out. I want gum. Ask ppl for some. I want to randomly haggle for a book, ask for it cheaper. Etc.
/r/seduction28/02/12 09:28 PM
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polite teases for the day, no need for negs as I also do some daygame approaches in sf. Everything else is good.
/r/seduction28/02/12 08:58 PM
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10 girls asked out. All flattered all smiling but lots of no because I didn't know how important comfort was. However I got discounted coffee by asking and got to study with beautiful girls (college) to not be so intimidated when chatting with them
/r/seduction28/02/12 08:52 PM
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Only rule is to get rejected by asking for something. Ask for a date or some spare change. You must get rejected is the only rule. Also would add that you want what you ask.
/r/seduction28/02/12 08:48 PM
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Well I never liked social circles. Same boring ppl. So why not meet strangers and do random stuff that make life fun? I met interesting pol just by asking if they wanted to hangout.
/r/seduction28/02/12 08:30 PM
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Try asking a girl out with: you're cute. Let's get coffee sometime. Whats your #? this was before I knew an outline of talking to folks. Try asking a girl that while walking through a crowd
/r/seduction28/02/12 08:28 PM
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No. Asked for free things, asked to have a coffee, ask for change, ask to chat, ask girls out, ask if ppl have gum, etc
/r/seduction28/02/12 08:26 PM
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Ask strangers to study, ask them if they wanted popcorn, ask them to chat for 5 min, etc
/r/seduction28/02/12 08:24 PM
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Changed me. Made me see the world with infinite chances. Risk discomfort and many good things will come out of it. Made me from a shy guy who thought ppl sucked to being social and that ppl are okay. no persona change just genuinely asking ppl for things and having fun with it.
/r/seduction28/02/12 07:29 PM
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Don't go asking around for dates. Ask for less risky rejections to get the feel first. Free coffee or asking a favor of someone. Then ask a few girls out at the end.
/r/seduction28/02/12 07:26 PM
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I laughed and asked her if she seriously goes to the grocery store on Saturday nights. Tonality is everything with that line and smiling also. If you had a playful tone and smiled and she still shut down, you did nothing wrong but do those things.
/r/seduction28/02/12 06:05 PM
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Anything where someone could say yes or no. Could be asking for a free coffee as a simple one
/r/seduction28/02/12 10:41 AM
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Cold read a girl. "Lemme guess, you're a fashion designer." If her fashion is awesome
/r/seduction28/02/12 08:32 AM
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I can be flirting around, things going great with a girl, but once silence hits, i have a hard time bringing that energy back up. Who says silence brings energy down? Look into her eyes, smile, and enjoy the silence. It's a beautiful thing. Sort of like that Pulp Fiction quote Then say anything that comes to the top of your mind after 10 seconds or let her continue it. "Hey, why isn't there a disco ball here? That's crazy" Anything really.
/r/seduction28/02/12 08:26 AM
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When you approach you give yourself a chance. Other things you learn here add to your chances (confidence, teasing, being fun, giving value) but ultimately you won't win every approach. Heck you may be successful with less than half or one-fourth or none at the beginning. So what can you fully control? The approach; the chance. Identify with that.
/r/seduction28/02/12 06:25 AM
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It's easier to talk to people when I'm already talking to others although I'm good when alone. It comes down: What puts you into a talking mood? If it's some challenge your friends make, why not keep that in your mind always? Like in your mind they're watching you approach.
/r/seduction28/02/12 05:04 AM
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I consider texting only good for two things. Maintaining some sort of connection (inside jokes, commenting on life) every 3-14 days, depending on how soon you will/can see her. Inside jokes to keep her interested and you in her mind Making the day for the actual date/meetup/hangout
/r/seduction28/02/12 04:10 AM
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What made me so good with overcoming AA was rejection therapy. I did it for 60 days. Basically it's win-win. REJECTED = WIN. GET A DATE = WIN.
/r/seduction28/02/12 04:00 AM
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Always believe it makes direct approaches easier and other direct actions easier ( getting job offer on first impression ) and you get more attention. TLDR easier life.
/r/seduction27/02/12 11:20 PM
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If you were alone you could've used your friend as an invisible wing in example 2. "hey my friend said earlier that my shirt... And the girl in example 2 has high interest, make a date already. Yo let's meet at blah blah
/r/seduction27/02/12 09:05 PM
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How long are your conversations/interactions after you approach the girls? You need to create an inside joke to remind the girl why you're fun to be around to increase your chance of a second meetup
/r/seduction27/02/12 05:38 PM
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Some guys like the chase though. If you can get successful/good things out of a bigger challenge, it can be more rewarding to some.
/r/seduction26/02/12 09:29 PM
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It's putting in the mind of the girl: "Challenge Accepted"
/r/seduction26/02/12 08:54 PM
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She could be shit-testing you (to really prove you're different from other guys) OR she could be saying those things to comfort herself because she's getting into you too quickly. I'd ignore it or say "okay" or "right" and then creating a new frame to work with. That frame she built may or may not have been on purpose but it's a frame without a winning statement ("Glad you're not" just reinforces her possible insecurities and "I won't judge you" is still bringing the topic to light. Notice how c…
/r/seduction26/02/12 08:50 PM
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She's testing you because she doesn't want to interpret her own liking of you to make her seem easy. She may not even know she is testing you. "I won't judge you" - you played her frame. "Glad you're not" - you played her frame. "You need to come up with a new way to tell me this" with funny faces - you're making it your frame
/r/seduction26/02/12 08:38 PM
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Cashiers are awesome for first approaches. You cannot be denied because they have to be friendly. Sets you up nicely for more approaches.
/r/seduction26/02/12 07:04 AM
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Do both.
/r/seduction26/02/12 07:03 AM
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who tries not to fuck up. Become at peace with mistakes. For me, I keep a general outline of what to do if things go well. So for example, if she laughs at what I'm saying I'll gently shove her shoulder as a way of building tension. If I run out of things to say, I smile and nod my head while looking at both of her eyes. All you need: Stop worrying about mistakes, everyone does them Accept silence as not awkward but trying to figure out what to say next Don't be afraid to touch (start with polit…
/r/seduction26/02/12 07:02 AM
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It isn't about his character as much as it is his realization that the universe doesnt care so he chills the f out at the end
/r/seduction25/02/12 07:44 PM
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One of the best openers ever.
/r/seduction25/02/12 09:42 AM
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Albert Camus - The Stranger. The metaphor for the narrator is outcome independence.
/r/seduction25/02/12 07:39 AM
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No doubt. Frame/confidence/delivery/charm is more important than what you actually say in the opener. If you sound sure of yourself, the girl will notice that and talk to you. Do this and 50% you're in a conversation (other 50% = not interested, too busy, missing out, etc.)
/r/seduction25/02/12 07:20 AM
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"let's improve on that kissing next time too *smile"
/r/seduction24/02/12 09:15 PM
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Should've asked second day cause we flirting may be more polite. There's also no kino. Polite kino is mandatory by the second day.
/r/seduction24/02/12 09:04 PM
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Should've asked second day cause we flirting may be more polite. There's also no kino. Polite kino is mandatory by the second day.
/r/seduction24/02/12 09:03 PM
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"What made _____" is a good open-ended layout for asking questions. "Why" sometimes can come off as offensive. "Why did you become an artist?" can seem offending whereas, "What made you decide to become an artist?" has a better ring to it.
/r/seduction23/02/12 10:38 AM
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Breaking the touch barrier is crucial. A little high five can help YOU know that it's okay to touch her.
/r/seduction22/02/12 11:45 PM
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If you're good at approaching and talking, you need to build rapport and initiate friendly contact like a handshake, then get her #. Then when you're out on the first hangout/date, sit next to her and start KINO and touching, flirting. Friend zone is not building enough attraction on time. Look up KINO to build up attraction.
/r/seduction22/02/12 11:24 PM
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Plow through if the connection is there. Based on what you wrote, there's no connection. I'm glad you approached but it seems forced. I would've been like: "Hey, I need to get something for my friend. It's her birthday. What would an interesting girl like you want if you were in her position?" (You're hinting at more purpose already)
/r/seduction22/02/12 07:07 AM
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I have a personal blog about all my approaches. I'll probably add in sticking points, things to work on, and things I did successfully.
/r/seduction22/02/12 05:46 AM
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I'm from the mindset where it's for two things: Maintaining good standing (Inside joke every 3-14 days). Planning out when/where to meet
/r/seduction22/02/12 05:44 AM
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Interesting how Sasha was Mystery's first wingman. His method ended up becoming one of the most contrasting methods from MM.
/r/seduction22/02/12 05:42 AM
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Practice because if you're right with cold reading, the girl is into you more. If you are wrong with cold reading, the girl will correct you. People love talking bout themselves. "Hey I'll guess you're a fashion designer she is wearing a nice dress Her: Oh no, I'm a ____ flattered"
/r/seduction22/02/12 01:16 AM
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has passion about learning this stuff to improve myself and others
/r/seduction22/02/12 01:05 AM
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Downs are nothing because I'll be dust eventually. So if I stay down, that's one less day I could've approached awesome people. I prefer having a girlfriend type and also/don't like bars/clubs either so tips: Find where geeky girls hangout or places where the chances would be greater. (Conventions!) Then approach. Go on dates and see if you find a girl is long term worthy. (Conventions, hipsters?, OKCupid nerdy types).
/r/seduction21/02/12 07:02 AM
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Sasha PUA daygame. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddjZf7Nqbo0 He has no themes like simple pickup does and goes incredibly direct for daygame.
/r/seduction21/02/12 05:12 AM
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"sup flaky" has also worked for me.
/r/seduction21/02/12 04:20 AM
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No because higher value is in doing something else and being not so stuck with plans she hasn't agreed to (aka you're being hard to get/challenge)
/r/seduction21/02/12 04:20 AM
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Especially in daygame. You have no competition. I'm also in the bay area and it frustrates me because I've had that same feeling a couple of times on BART. Glad to see even one of the "pros" had a tough time with this too.
/r/seduction20/02/12 10:53 PM
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Failure is nothing because I'm going to eventually be dust.
/r/seduction20/02/12 06:55 AM
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Seconding Option 2. Always use a purpose to approach. "Hey found you cute, had to talk to you" Cute = purpose. "Hey you look interesting with that jacket, had to talk to you" Jacket, interesting = purpose.
/r/seduction20/02/12 06:53 AM
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The real concept is strong vs. weak. "Nice" guys are weak. Nice guys with confidence and assertiveness are strong.
/r/seduction19/02/12 10:50 AM
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how to be completely and utterly ok and comfortable with getting rejected. Learn that and every opportunity has a possibility. It's a beautiful world few go to.
/r/seduction18/02/12 06:19 PM
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Thanks for the 50-50 rule mention. Glad it'll get more exposure. As for the shorts thing, you can frame that better. "Wow, you're wearing shorts in cold weather? Major props or maybe you're just weird. But that's a good thing smile "
/r/seduction18/02/12 08:37 AM
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The 50-50 rule: 50% will think you're a weird piece of crap and the other 50% will think you've made their day. Next.
/r/seduction16/02/12 11:28 PM
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Eventually, I knew this would pop up. Go with what works best with you. I'd rather have all the tools in my pocket rather than saying, "Indirect is dead." Girl walking down the street? Direct Girl in the coffee shop with a weird looking drink? Indirect Girl waiting for the bus? Direct or Indirect Girl at a club? Direct or Indirect (Although I'd probably agree 99% of the time, Direct) Girl doing her groceries? Indirect There's so many different possibilities and circumstances that will work for e…
/r/seduction16/02/12 09:48 PM
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Indifference is king for many girls until they've earned it and even then it's minimal attention.
/r/seduction16/02/12 08:14 AM
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At first the results were pretty great. Like numbers, dates, few k-closes. Remember what made you successful at first.
/r/seduction16/02/12 08:14 AM
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My main goal in life is to fuck 100 women. Here's a better goal: Approach 1000 random girls in clubs/bars/coffee shops, depends on your style. Your main problem seems to be that you need to meet new, single girls. Look, if you approach 1000 and are successful even 1% of the time, that's 10. That will calm my feelings of sexual jealousy and insecurity. You need to get rid of this mindset because random variables will occur. Even if you play perfect game for 1000 girls but they have boyfriends, lo…
/r/seduction16/02/12 08:03 AM
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I never go out Going out is half the battle. Once you're out and about, remember this rule: It doesn't matter if they reject you. You know your worth. In a life full of random social norms that greatly limit the vast potential of great interaction (not even about hitting on them), it doesn't matter. Go up to a girl and say "Hi" and then chat. Comment on stuff you like. Comment on stuff around you. Chat first. Then if you two vibe well and she's open (50% will be) then you've made a friend.
/r/seduction16/02/12 07:51 AM
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"Hi, have I seen you in another class?" - Then you can lead into all the other classes you're taking and then share commonality that you're in all those classes together.
/r/seduction16/02/12 07:42 AM
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Found it: This was stated 1 month ago. To mods: I would definitely nominate this to the sidebar. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/odj4g/how_ive_been_honest_about_intentions_with_girls/ It's about being honest with intentions, so it relates to the 'what are we' talk.
/r/seduction16/02/12 07:30 AM
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Here's a better scale for you: 0 or 1. 0 is girls you're just not into. 1 is girls you're into. That's the only scale you need.
/r/seduction15/02/12 10:12 PM
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so you want everything? Try all the routes: Clubs/Bars - approach, see how that works. Daygame - approach, see how that works. Online game - send messages, go on a date, see how that works. Why? All 3 have pros/cons. Also, all 3 have very different outlines/models.
/r/seduction15/02/12 08:02 AM
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I've done my share of college daygame. I know that "chase" feeling. But here's a story that'll FORCE you to be okay with chasing them (as long as you have talked to them already). I saw a girl that was mind-blowingly attractive. She was in front of me in the coffee line. Art student. She ordered a particular bar from the coffee shop. I ordered the same. We joked about that. I asked her about her drawings and then she had to pay. I had to pay. By the time I finished she was 20 feet in front of me…
/r/seduction15/02/12 07:58 AM
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Dorms: Make friends first. Once you stack up the friends, they'll introduce you to more and more people/friends (many will be girls). Same thing for any club(s)/frat(s) you join. Taking down multiple birds with one stone. Networking, dating, and friendships will all be covered if you do this. Live the dorm life for me, as I never got to live that life (transferred to university instead of starting out there).
/r/seduction14/02/12 10:08 PM
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Don't find a way to rationalize it. Find a way to also be that outlier.
/r/seduction14/02/12 08:00 AM
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TL;DR (with respect): OP got #-close by using four things: Approached Confidence Strength (Strong frame - including looking into her eyes when things go silent) Some polite kino That's really it. Do those 4 and you'll create attraction with girls who are open to it (if a girl isn't open to it, next obviously.)
/r/seduction14/02/12 07:58 AM
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Now here's where I would like some seddit advice. I said the following. "I don't normally do this, but would you like to get coffee with me sometime?" She giggled really loudly and had a huge grin on her face. "I would but I have a boyfriend. That's very sweet of you though." "That's too bad" I say with a smile. I've done this with 10 different girls on campus and it always ended up like that. In college, I learned social circles rule, therefore I go indirect on campus. Since she's never had a c…
/r/seduction14/02/12 07:53 AM
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the capability of getting any girl. Not any girl but it'll greatly increase your success with the girls that are open to interest. He meant passive as in: "Meh since there's 2 awesome girls I'm going for already, I don't need to talk to that cute girl over there." Abundance is an awesome mindset for not taking rejection personally, although one should use other motivations for actually approaching.
/r/seduction14/02/12 02:26 AM
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I agree with Gabriot. Some girls like condescending types, call it maso, daddy issues or whatever but that's based on my past interactions, relationships. (I don't support but I'm merely stating it's out there.) Of course, would you want to be with those types anyways?
/r/seduction14/02/12 01:28 AM
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From a guy who has done mostly daygame, approach more to prove nothing bad really happens. And you talked for 10 minutes, very low cost for epic benefit. be proud for what you did
/r/seduction13/02/12 10:26 PM
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Make your profile unique. Don't make it a bland list of traits. Have a cool story or experience. show not tell
/r/seduction13/02/12 03:51 AM
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Tell me when you come to norcal wink wink lol
/r/seduction13/02/12 03:47 AM
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AA happens, just walk through it even if it's still there by acting. Practice by looking at beautiful women in the eye until she looks away first. As for nerves, remember just because she's pretty doesn't mean she's giving you extra attention, she's human also. The last three points: Get comfortable touching girls, kissing girls, and being touched by girls. Don't feel guilty about seeing them in a sexual light because some of them are initiating with you, others want to be touched, and girls wil…
/r/seduction12/02/12 10:01 PM
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I go with style because you can change it. Girls had the option of wearing what they wore. They can't change their pretty face. Circumstance is everything. In college, I'd go with style because everyone is a college student. It's awesome of you to be making conversation with anyone. In real life, I would have both tools. (Both talking indirect about style or coffee or socks or watches - and doing direct like saying she's attractive). Of course, delivery is everything when you go the "Hey, you're…
/r/seduction12/02/12 08:25 PM
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Sentence 1: "Hi, you look interesting had to talk to you." - Okay, what makes her interesting? You say that to her. Sentence 2: "You don't see someone with your unique style (that's the reason) around campus really. Sheesh you're just wanting to be talked to huh? flirt"
/r/seduction12/02/12 11:08 AM
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Flings: Bars, Any type of relationship or connection: Coffee first, then work from there. Nice quote too.
/r/seduction12/02/12 04:56 AM
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Congrats, long term relationships work beautifully with this stuff too. Keep her seeing you as a fun, smooth, confident, awesome guy. Don't get too starry eyed (to where you're blind if you know what I mean). Awesome story.
/r/seduction12/02/12 12:01 AM
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Seems similar to Derren Brown, awesome episode. Made me laugh.
/r/seduction11/02/12 11:51 PM
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Talk to everyone. Talk to her the least, she'll have to fight for your attention. Besides that, talk to everyone.
/r/seduction11/02/12 10:55 PM
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answering all my questions That sounded good but you should add comments too. Too many questions means talking to a stranger, lots of comments means you're talking to a friend. Learn to be comfortable with not knowing what to say next. Silence is not awkward if you're not awkward about it. Perhaps you talk about her groceries more for example. I eject early sometimes as well but that's why keep approaching, to learn to be okay with feeling nervous when in set.
/r/seduction11/02/12 09:09 PM
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Depends what you want. To get to know someone I'd recommend coffee.
/r/seduction11/02/12 09:00 PM
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Remember your mistakes. Then learn that concept. Keep at it. Always in your control to think of it as "depression" or another lesson to learn from.
/r/seduction11/02/12 11:55 AM
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Indirect is beautiful for coffee places, it's a totally different atmosphere from clubs/bars.
/r/seduction11/02/12 11:52 AM
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Working on my appearance and life passion. Escalating when appropriate. This takes courage. If people need to learn two things from this post, these are the two things. Passion to be attractive and confidence to get what you want (with being a value giver).
/r/seduction11/02/12 11:50 AM
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do a barrel r...wrong thread.
/r/seduction11/02/12 11:48 AM
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Or you can go do it twice
/r/seduction11/02/12 11:47 AM
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I'll add in on a bus where she's the window seat with no way of getting out. Just uncomfortable nature of it overrides attraction.
/r/seduction11/02/12 11:46 AM
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Your conversations are fine but if it doesn't get personal, expect flake rate to be higher. Personal meaning she asks you a personal question (Where do you go to school, what you do for a living, etc) Girls will give #'s because there's no real reason to say no. It's easier to give a # and flake much of the time for them. It's unfortunate but that's how it goes.
/r/seduction10/02/12 08:02 PM
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How do you talk to a girl before you get her #? And what do you talk about? And how long? Answering these could help me see why they're flaking a lot.
/r/seduction10/02/12 08:56 AM
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For one I THINK a lot of them are more acceptive of typical beta male chasing behaviour, so called "niceness", and are only receptive to males in social circles. Not all but it tends to be that way. I know many girls that were born/raised back in Asia and then came here and "niceness" works on them initially and social circle is tenfold more important. Just my two cents.
/r/seduction10/02/12 08:53 AM
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Same as you. Open your mouth with any neutral words: "Hi" "What's up?" "How's your day?" Just to open my mouth and prove nothing bad will happen. 10 hellos does the trick here too.
/r/seduction10/02/12 07:27 AM
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Girls like balls and confidence, which is mistaken for Dark Triad especially for the short term. Look it up.
/r/seduction09/02/12 10:08 PM
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I'm proof that you'll survive. I'm 21. Asked 10 girls straight out, "You're cute, let's get coffee sometime." And got blown out on purpose to prove I'm still living. So go for it, nothing bad happens.
/r/seduction09/02/12 10:04 PM
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So glad you brought this up. Goes both ways. Most things do besides the different parts down there.
/r/seduction09/02/12 09:57 PM
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TL;DR So if you're attractive, go incredibly direct, and find the types that'll sleep you with asap then you'll get farther. This article is generalizing on a lot of fronts. It misses out on these points: Many guys but not all want to hit a notch count. Indirect in the daytime is a different story from indirect during the evening. The former works. Indirect doesn't come down to simply "opinion openers." I don't even like MM and opinion openers suck. Indirect heats the attraction and escalates on…
/r/seduction09/02/12 09:55 PM
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Do what you need to do to calm yourself down. Me: smile (in my mind) "I'll be dust eventually anyways. This girl's opinion ultimately means nothing (or everything) depending on how I interpret it."
/r/seduction09/02/12 08:36 AM
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This. I'll argue that 25 = the beginning of a male's prime for getting girls. Do the best you can with those health issues, exercise, look the best you can. Dress well. Fix those money issues gradually. Build self confidence then approach approach approach You have a beautiful life ahead of you with all of these challenges that will go down one by one.
/r/seduction09/02/12 08:35 AM
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In SF, it's very clique-y. But it's a very passive city.
/r/seduction09/02/12 07:49 AM
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Still in college actually but final year, so transitioning my game to daygame in SF. What parts of downtown for you? I like the Ferry Building for downtown. I'm into hipster types so I know where to go for them. Maybe North Beach would be cool too. Also: Santana Row in SJ is a goldmine for attractive women.
/r/seduction09/02/12 07:38 AM
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My self esteem is shit and I'm constantly seeking validation from EVERYONE. I really want people to like me, and ironically that mindset seems to do the opposite. I just can't "not give a fuck." Well that's the issue. No girl will want to be into someone that doesn't believe in themselves. Why would you need all people to like you? The greatest people in life have haters, look at Steve Jobs, look at Kobe, look at anybody who is successful. You only need to like yourself. Interesting life, awesom…
/r/seduction09/02/12 06:15 AM
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This. I remember a story of my friend who talked to a British girl but was denied since he said he didn't drink anymore. She was huge on drinking so she called him out on it. It's a projection. "Without booze, what am I?" sort of stuff.
/r/seduction09/02/12 06:02 AM
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Go for more than one girl at once (like dating different girls). When you realize you have options, you discover that your neediness/desperation goes away.
/r/seduction09/02/12 05:57 AM
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Definitely. I suppose I'm wanting to hear this again because I work much better indirect. However the direct method with honesty confidence and non-neediness is best when there's nothing else to chat about. Also doing direct approach increases attractiveness. Thanks. What area of SF do you frequent?
/r/seduction08/02/12 10:21 PM
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Thanks for the reply. I like everything you wrote. And the general rule for me is 1.5 minutes (minimum) before asking for e-mail or # depending on depth of connection/her attitude/openness. And yeah some girls will just blow you off. Happens. I'm in SF. So similar things going on there. Only other clarification is: What if you see a cute girl ahead of you or on the other side of the street? I always am like "Wow I'm on the wrong side!" Do you just cross the street and try to catch up? Any certai…
/r/seduction08/02/12 04:26 AM
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Possible pressure from her friends overriding her attraction to you.
/r/seduction08/02/12 02:10 AM
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Check out the sidebar.
/r/seduction08/02/12 02:02 AM
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Yeah got this as well. Do things that are tougher. Try opening 5-sets in the daytime. Now that is ridiculous. Stuff like that.
/r/seduction08/02/12 02:01 AM
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Prove it with FR tomorrow. Good luck.
/r/seduction07/02/12 01:01 PM
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Happens to many who are starting. Is there any association or insecurity that triggers the strong feeling of rejection? Basically I walk out of the house knowing that I'm going to do my best to make a positive difference. The rest doesn't matter, then it gives me "no standard" hence I'm not rejected when girls look at me weird or blow me off.
/r/seduction07/02/12 12:59 PM
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Welcome. Here's the only idea you need: 5 rejections later, you're still physically intact right? Well then the only thing you need to do is know that you have control over your emotions. Be proud of doing 5.
/r/seduction07/02/12 11:50 AM
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Find out yourself with experience. Pretty much oxytocin release varies with each person.
/r/seduction06/02/12 08:59 AM
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Not sure, comes down to chemicals, so I'm coming from the perspective where you can control behaviors rather than those chemicals
/r/seduction06/02/12 04:45 AM
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after a few times. Then don't do it too many times with same person.
/r/seduction06/02/12 04:26 AM
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Id be somewhat jealous if she fucked another guy. Then move on, you'll move away soon anyways. Always can get another girl, especially since you want that.
/r/seduction06/02/12 01:58 AM
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If you feel the attachment is getting bad, yeah I would stop. Find someone else.
/r/seduction06/02/12 01:31 AM
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If you can't do long term things then better to have different women. Abundance helps fight the attachment issues from my personal experience.
/r/seduction06/02/12 12:59 AM
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Figure out why you want to date them first. That's the first step. Is it merely oxytocin? Is it something else? If it's just chemicals, then try to figure out which girls you won't get addicted to, which girls you do. If it's something else, I'll reply after.
/r/seduction05/02/12 11:11 PM
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Emotions override logic, that's why humans in general do silly things if you look at it from a pure logical standpoint. You could try "dating" multiple girls where there is some repeated exposure to them like a long term girl yet see multiple people like you want logically.
/r/seduction05/02/12 09:21 PM
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It's the same thing. Even if you are successful in getting a date or two, that doesn't mean you can just stop being a challenge that she would like to chase. Boredom is the attraction killer.
/r/seduction05/02/12 11:41 AM
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Unwilling to compromise is her loss next girl
/r/seduction04/02/12 08:26 PM
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Indirect is great if you're into processes - Look at your environment and ask what yourself what you can comment about. "Wow, cool shoes. Never seen that shade of blue on anyone before." "Awesome, what type of drink did you get? [coffee shop]" ETC
/r/seduction04/02/12 07:44 PM
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If you want rationalization: She was battling her logic and emotion. It seems like you don't want to her go for her considering she has a bf = you were unsure of what you wanted to do. Depends on you. Could've kissed her if you wanted to go that way but then what? Or you did what you could. She could be trying to keep you around as a "hover" or rebound but don't be that. Just move on as she isn't a good match to begin with.
/r/seduction04/02/12 07:42 PM
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It's a good post. People in seduction want either specific advice or field reports nowadays. Mindset stuff has been gone over many times. Cheers.
/r/seduction04/02/12 07:37 PM
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A good portion of girls out there are multidimensioned. You have to find ways to make them express that. And there are exceptions to all rules. Considering you go to all sorts of places, you should find someone eventually. My only advice is to look more in the daytime. Girls look for fun at night. Girls look for long-term relationships where an attractive guy approaches them in a park. Also, "higher" quality girls could be the type that don't like to do nightlife as much. They're busy doing outd…
/r/seduction04/02/12 12:57 AM
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You summed it up well. Finding where you think that type would be. What type of girl do you like? For me, I like androgynous hipster looking girls with intellect (short hair, weird hair color, well-rounded intelligence) So I go to areas that would have a higher ratio of those types of girls in my city.
/r/seduction03/02/12 11:44 PM
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Juggler is awesome. That is all.
/r/seduction03/02/12 11:06 PM
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Many hot girls are annoying, have no personality (or even worse, huge personality problems), and just aren't that exciting in general. I want the whole package. Putting effort into attracting anything less seems like a waste of time. Believe you're the whole package to women and then do stuff that supports it. Hobbies, passions, high-status in general. Of course that'll bring crazy too, so watch out for those. I'm the same as you. I could care less about # count or closing with any random girl. …
/r/seduction03/02/12 10:57 PM
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Being mirrored Rapport is established. Going for the kiss is building attraction. You did awesomely.
/r/seduction03/02/12 10:11 PM
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I was trying that tonight and some girl said that she had heard that one before You: Okay. then keep talking about that (something) Unless the girl turns her back or ditches or slaps you, the approach isn't over.
/r/seduction03/02/12 10:19 AM
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Yes. If the mindset is about fun then you're good. Then after a few approaches you'll learn to risk for the #, etc. Awesome stuff for your first approach.
/r/seduction03/02/12 05:36 AM
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Hey man, thanks for the shout out. Yeah I had a couple of dates and realized silence is underrated. If it's not awkward to you, it isn't awkward to her and then it builds this tension. So happy for you man.
/r/seduction03/02/12 05:24 AM
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Start the 20 questions now? Good stuff, you did the best you could with time constraints. Yeah I've had it happen. It ended up bad a lot of the time but bad meaning no # but smiles all around.
/r/seduction02/02/12 09:49 AM
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Nope. Just my own experience. Practice making comments in the mirror. Imagine yourself waiting for the class, what would you see there? Comment. The girl will add on or agree. Then you comment more.
/r/seduction02/02/12 09:46 AM
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Not 1-2 minutes. Seems like a creepy pick up UNLESS you go direct, which I'd use sparingly in college. I'd say more 5 minutes because you want her to feel comfortable enough to not want to walk away from you then attract her to make her receptive then get the #.
/r/seduction02/02/12 08:09 AM
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Comment on the environment around you. "Wow, this class is packed today." "I wonder how Prof. ____ is doing today. joke about Prof." "Seriously, I had the weirdest lunch today." "Wow that coffee was legendary." "Cool your pants are awesome. Where did you get it? Damn, your style is dangerous, look everyone we got a dangerous girl here." Tons of examples for you
/r/seduction02/02/12 08:07 AM
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I feel I am not attractive or interesting enough. What is your favorite hobby? Could be something like photography. Something simple. That's interesting enough. Attractiveness is majority confidence, style, and swagger. Sure looks will be a part of it but change what you can. Work out, find clothes that fit, get a cool haircut, run, etc. Then basically FAIL. Say "Hi" to 10 girls. Talk to cashiers to get your mouth moving. Ask people walking by about their clothes to get your mouth moving. Then F…
/r/seduction02/02/12 07:58 AM
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No idea with bar/night game but in daygame it comes down to this: Do you meet tons of people shortly and get #s with a lot of flakes? Or do you meet less people longer and get #s with a lot less flakes? Maybe you could relate that back to bar/night game.
/r/seduction02/02/12 07:05 AM
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You could do everything right and 50-60% of girls won't feel it. Either the red light analogy or simply: You're not her type (although you're the prize, she doesn't figure that out = her bad) She isn't open enough (too introverted, shy) She doesn't like outsiders (in-group oxytocin) She is pissed off when you approached (happens we're all human) She has a genuine boyfriend Yet, approach any girl you'd like to know. See if she is your type. If not, next girl. If so but one of these occur, next gi…
/r/seduction02/02/12 06:54 AM
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Approach - comfort (daygame depending on method) - start here when going direct: attract (tell her straight up, DHV, humor, flirt, cool story) - break rapport (depending on method) - validate - close. That's all you need to remember in any model.
/r/seduction02/02/12 05:42 AM
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How would you go to campus when you've already graduated from college? How do you make it not weird?
/r/seduction02/02/12 05:39 AM
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Get a type of girl who when friendzoned feels like a bro, I got a couple myself that are that way.
/r/seduction31/01/12 11:17 PM
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At the very least it's good practice for when a girl you want to go for comes along.
/r/seduction31/01/12 11:16 PM
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You say that you find girls at the cafe or transit or library or grocery. Keep going there, that's where long term relationships happen. From those romantic movies, Girls love finding "the one" at places like that vs. bars/house parties for flings.
/r/seduction31/01/12 11:15 PM
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Even if a frat is high value (depends on school/university), if you're confident and interesting, it'll override it
/r/seduction31/01/12 11:11 PM
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AFC questions are cool the first few times, it happens. Practice saying comments. Comments = say to friends. Questions = say to strangers. Therefore, say more comments than questions (except when convo needs a question)
/r/seduction31/01/12 07:54 PM
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Could always give a high five or handshake just to break the KINO ice. It's nearly as important as verbal AA. Having her spot you is good, she's investing more into you. Rapport --> Funny --> Don't rush though. Make her ask about you. The moment that happens you're almost in the clear for Day2 with an attraction frame. And headphones: I motion to take them off. Simple as that.
/r/seduction31/01/12 09:01 AM
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WELCOME TO DAYGAME WHERE GIRLS SMILE JUST BY NOTICING YOU HAD GUTS TO APPROACH. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR FIRST SENTENCES ARE COHERENT OR NOT. JUST MOVE YOUR MOUTH. For next time: Try to chat about the gym/exercising for a few minutes until you're sure she is comfort/rapport --> Then ask if she needs assistance for any exercise (KINO, physical touch) --> Lead into threading of other topics --> Interest her to where she asks about you --> You answer then ask bout her (do not ask personal stuff be…
/r/seduction31/01/12 08:23 AM
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Go to the gym together or anything else you do = touch her. Do exercising routines that create touch. Easiest way to stay out of friend zone: KINO: Touch her. Look her in the eyes while touching her. If you have your crap together age won't be a huge factor here.
/r/seduction31/01/12 08:17 AM
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Not wrong. Maybe it wasn't articulated as clearly. To all the downvotes: ddxxdd meant to be smooth. "Yeah so you're into ice cream? I know just the place you have to try out. How can we make that happen?" Girl: gives her # That's smooth.
/r/seduction31/01/12 12:25 AM
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This. I do it too. Retraining the brain to get a positive rush from approaching or doing stuff outside comfort zone regardless of outcome instead of a negative reaction. Even better than no reaction so you risk crazy interactions. Makes me laugh in hindsight. Good experience an stories to tell too.
/r/seduction30/01/12 11:04 PM
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Daygame, find an area that fits to your liking (type of women, atmosphere, fashion sense)
/r/seduction30/01/12 05:09 PM
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Although I don't agree about just going up to a girl and asking her out as the first thing you do, I agree on the part about trying. If you chat for a few minutes and things are going great, ask her out to something. "No" is so much better than "What if?" - trust me I have first hand experience of a memory that burns with that "What if?" and it sucks way more than "No", which is why I don't care about rejection anymore.
/r/seduction30/01/12 07:40 AM
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Now you know. Trust me, I understand how Southern Belles work. They're massive trouble if you let them get to you too much. That's why the word of caution but def hang out with her again and see what happen, do what you did. I mean you were invited after all.
/r/seduction30/01/12 04:24 AM
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I'm a girl and my problem is salvaging the friendship after you reject a guy's advances. Not possible unless you give the guy time to find another girl or help him find another girl.
/r/seduction30/01/12 03:28 AM
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We got outside and I asked if she needed a ride to her next destination. She said nah (it was just up the street) and we said bye. Could've been like "Yo, I'm liking this conversation, let's continue this another time. What's your # and we'll do that" Do that next time. Just want to point out, do not give a ride to a girl that isn't your girlfriend that you are going for. I learned the taxi cab guy the hard way. She'll think you're "too nice and a doormat with nothing else to do."
/r/seduction30/01/12 03:23 AM
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There was something really pure about her idk but for some reason I couldn't. Bad mindset, no girl is "pure" just because she's amazingly attractive. A girl is a human and that's that. She's fucking awesome. I am learning about her personality and am swoooning. She's wifey material hot and smart. As we get closer I find out that she is a sorority girl which is surprising for her personality in arguably the house with the best looking girls. No need to generalize, more people you meet the more yo…
/r/seduction30/01/12 03:10 AM
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Stop beating yourself up because I've been there. Too shy to chat with people, too shy to do this or that. I am still introverted and shy but what helps is knowing when I'm dead in the damn ground it won't matter what others thought of me, especially from girls who don't give me a second look, their fault, their bad. It all stems from validaton, do not seek approval. You're already the prize, so do whatever the heck you want. For example, many guys on seddit would say to go to a club or whatever…
/r/seduction30/01/12 01:45 AM
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My general rule is: Even if you do everything perfectly, expect 50% failure due to the girls: having a boyfriend being pissed off being a lesbian being really picky or shallow not being your type
/r/seduction29/01/12 11:52 PM
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Depends on your style. My preferred style currently is also indirect, which takes longer but reduces flake rate greatly, so 5-10 minutes. You could also go direct (like Paul Janka) and take 1.5 minutes each although he's trying to do more approaches in a day and play the numbers game. Either you chat a short convo with 50 women and hope 5 respond back or have a better connection with 20 women and if done flawlessly can also net 5-10 responses (25-50% due to reducing flake rate).
/r/seduction29/01/12 11:41 PM
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After bus number, ask her about something. There is no purpose to why you're asking her stuff. If you need to, you can say, "Found you attractive. Had to talk to you." Work from there.
/r/seduction29/01/12 11:19 PM
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Her tone for some reason is really pissed off though. She was too pissed to see that she missed out on a potential awesome date, it's on her. good job man
/r/seduction29/01/12 11:00 PM
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Shouldn't be depressing if you approach 12-13 girls a day for two days, let's say Sat+Sun, that's 1 every couple of days. The benefits: Rejections aren't nearly as harsh, conversation is easier (no loud music), her shield is way down, no competition (or way less when you see 9s and 10s out and about doing their groceries, etc.)
/r/seduction29/01/12 10:26 PM
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A rate of about 1/20 or 1/25 seems realistically achievable to me at my present level. But I'm not satisfied with this. I want to get better. 5% is actually a good rate if we're talking daytime, way more variables involved and much tougher for a lay on the same night.
/r/seduction29/01/12 09:53 AM
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Bask in the silence until you figure out what to talk about next. If the girl is sitting there and not walking away or slapping me, I assume that she wants me to lead the conversation, so I'll think about what to say next. Eventually she'll help lead convo if the comfort/rapport is good, especially with attraction as well. If disinterested after multiple tries with leading convo, next girl.
/r/seduction29/01/12 03:19 AM
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Here's the problem: I probably don't kino nearly enough. Sometimes, when I panic, I turn into survey questions. I don't feel comfortable at all complimenting. I really struggle on having an interesting conversation Do not panic. "Awkward silence" is better than being an interviewer. You need to make more comments. Basically remember this outline. Introduce/open --> Thread with ONE topic (her scarf, her hair) for 1-2 min (to build comfort) and to not be an interviewer --> thread into the marry fu…
/r/seduction28/01/12 07:43 PM
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Daygame is awesome.
/r/seduction28/01/12 07:37 PM
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suburbs with my parents How far is the nearest big city? Try to hit up contacts there to get to a party/club. Or talk to people during the daytime like me. Depends on your style.
/r/seduction28/01/12 10:20 AM
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That's one girl. You could go in for the kiss to see what happens anyways. Even then you said she had possible interest a year ago, meaning your method works. Try it on other girls. You're in the clubs so direct is preferred.
/r/seduction28/01/12 10:18 AM
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Give more details. How did you interact with those 100 girls? If you want to go up to them and talk about some boring crap for 15 seconds then ask for their number, unless you're some crazy Adonis creature, it's not going to happen. I'll give you more feedback after you give details.
/r/seduction28/01/12 10:14 AM
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Let the positive feeling become a small constant feeling of doing/being good. Instead of that heavy rush, just smile that the situation went well. Imagine how you feel after a good run (serotonin rush) rather than getting high from caffeine or other drugs.
/r/seduction27/01/12 09:40 PM
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Touch within the first 30 seconds. It'll make you feel more comfortable. Even something as small as a handshake or high-five at least breaks touch barrier. My personal favorite way of breaking the touch barrier is to enhance story points. I'm telling them a story and I need to touch them to highlight the point(s). Or play a game, make a bet. Also: Sit next to the girl. Not across.
/r/seduction27/01/12 09:38 AM
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Where do you live? Depends on the crowd, area, etc. And the best rule for anything in life: Who cares about other people's opinions? But glad you like clubs.
/r/seduction27/01/12 03:57 AM
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Everything in moderation. I let myself enjoy the positive feeling from it but it's bad to get hooked (on anything really) because then you'll search for that feeling and what happens when approaches go dry and things get rough? Anything that lets you feel good that doesn't depend on a certain outcome. Music, meditation, etc. That's why outcome independence is so important. It helps you say each line in the present for no other purpose than to seeing what happens.
/r/seduction27/01/12 03:55 AM
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Do what you did with your friends except ask the next girl you're into for a date a little sooner than your two friends. The only failure was taking too long to show sexual intent. Cool if you wanna take it slow but not slow to the point where rivals get the girls and you don't.
/r/seduction26/01/12 11:16 PM
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Direct is all in delivery when you have no choice but to be direct. So a girl of your dreams is walking down the street. Direct is best here because if you just chase her down and start talking about her style or something it feels like you're hiding something or you'll lead into a sales pitch or something, whereas, "Hey you're cute. Had to talk to you." Like this guy http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/orcrq/a_bomb_went_off_in_my_head/ Pure indirect is small talk just to make her comfort…
/r/seduction26/01/12 09:32 PM
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Practice indirect approaches at another coffee shop or somewhere else to see the method. Indirect is good for where people are sitting down where it isn't "usual" to chat them up. Gym, coffee, etc. Direct is for clubs/bars/girls on the street/waiting for the bus (where messing up means nothing). With indirect you're basically talking to a friend without the slightest hint of trying to hit on them. So you go up to an attractive girl and you're like, "Hey, that's cool macbook pro, how do you like …
/r/seduction26/01/12 09:16 PM
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It reminds me of this hand. I have 3-3. Other guy has 2-5. FLOP 3-A-2. I go all in. TURN Q. RIVER 4. Guy hits the straight with only 9% chance of winning that point. (1/11 chance) and I'm out of the tournament. I'll take the 80% odds I put myself in. (Around 80% chance after the flop, then 91% after the turn). *Give or take a few % so it goes. Would I have played that hand that way again? No doubt.
/r/seduction26/01/12 06:38 AM
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Becoming too outcome dependent. Remember the stoplight analogy written by someone else: 50% are red. 45% are yellow. 5% are green. If you're going for every 7+ that's in the red (they're not into you for whatever reasoning, then even perfect skills won't make it work). So if you keep going, you'll start hitting yellow light (neutral girls and if you play well turn into green) and green light girls.
/r/seduction26/01/12 06:33 AM
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Different for every person. For me it's simply this: The universe does not care for my success but it also does not care for my failure. In 100 years when everyone is dead (unless technology makes everyone live forever), it will not have mattered if I got rejected 500 times trying to get a lover(s) because the universe is indifferent. And everyone else (including yourself) is in your tomb, not worrying about how hurt or dejected you feel about a rejection, you're in the ground, food for worms. T…
/r/seduction26/01/12 06:30 AM
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Each person has their own goals. Even PUAs would answer this question differently. Personally, I have to be at least moderately attracted to them physically or there's no point. It's up for you to decide.
/r/seduction25/01/12 06:42 PM
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I would say the interaction went well. She wanted you to get her #. The problem is here. So how does you schedule of weekend look like, I'd love to grab a drink You need to make it concrete. "Not sure" is meaning "Yo male, make the plans! I'm too lazy to do it or I want you to do it. Burden is on you." AND calling takes more effort. Maybe she was lazy again. Next time or if you wanna try a third time (doesn't hurt), text her: "Let's a get a drink, [insert name of bar], at 8pm. Down?"
/r/seduction25/01/12 12:31 PM
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1% success with lots of pain is better than 0% success with the "false sense of comfort" (by not doing anything). Your brain is trying to convince you that the "lack of success" should make you stop when in reality you're closer than ever. That's 50-75 more memories of knowing that you survived something short of success, so keep going.
/r/seduction25/01/12 04:19 AM
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sidebar. "New here?" then read all the bullet points.
/r/seduction25/01/12 04:16 AM
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Hot coffee.
/r/seduction25/01/12 04:02 AM
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Just like always Metasnow, Curveball and I comment. The best part of this is that you came to realize that you can ditch people who don't give you the time you want from them. If you mutually put each other on the back burner, that's cool but if it's a one-way interaction, cut it off. Not everyone will vibe, whatever. 2 examples: Girl on bus was trying to distance herself. Okay cool. Next girl. Girl from an old class from last year was replying with one word replies that were so neutral and dead…
/r/seduction25/01/12 03:48 AM
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Thanks for this reply. I've learned the hard way that short is better. Obviously, emotion > logic when it comes to these sorts of things. Considering I got a hilarious reply that told me that I was a creep and a sick fuck (probably due to lack of tone), it's good to see more tips. 5/10 is great.
/r/seduction25/01/12 02:33 AM
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Which is why the rush is there but of course it's easiest in SC. But getting a 10 you don't know during the day maybe easier than an 8 cause the intimidation factor is even higher therefore no competition.
/r/seduction25/01/12 01:06 AM
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Good point although trying to get a 10 walking by you is such a huge rush, more than anything else in social circle game. But that's me
/r/seduction25/01/12 12:09 AM
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Social Circle is hella easy = boring. And I've seen the drama unfold in social circle, terrible crap if the women are low quality. I love the adrenaline rush of cold approaches. Makes you feel brave and worthy. Make a social circle by house parties/random meetups or getting a group of people together with a common interest, see if it clicks. Easier said than done but if you're a DJ or something, it'll be easier.
/r/seduction24/01/12 10:04 PM
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Still depends on the girl. I know girls who hate sweet sex and like it rough only. Of course, your FR felt like she was the sweet type and alas you did well. Props.
/r/seduction24/01/12 09:57 PM
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Am I doing it right? Any tips Need more feedback from you. How did you approach them, what did you talk about, and how did you get the #?
/r/seduction24/01/12 08:59 PM
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You don't even have to talk about feelings, just figure out what you want. Best of luck. Anyways man, what kind of feedback would you like? How to actually get dates/replies from that website? It's like Ice Queen central where no one replies back. Do you write short/long? What do you write?
/r/seduction24/01/12 08:56 PM
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18727782 Just an example. I meant it as a good thing. Getting a "10" isn't handed to you on a platter, now you have even sweeter satisfaction when you become attractive rather than just being "attractive" by default.
/r/seduction24/01/12 07:40 AM
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gotten at least 20 numbers from girls that I didn't even ask for in the last couple of months) and even gotten a bunch of dates. Remember abundance. What made her so special? Once you figure that out, find it in another girl. Next. Also, how did you get so many #'s on OKCupid then? I'd like feedback on that as my results have been uninspired recently.
/r/seduction24/01/12 06:59 AM
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He barely knows her and already is getting into the sexual talk and it's not even the good type, it's pretty badly implemented I think. Girl is giving him attention because even if it's "badly" implemented, he has the courage to take it to a sexual level. For your benefit: Any sexual talk is basically high risk, high reward. Also: Depends on the girl and environment. Club and a girl that's a tease? Sexual right away works.
/r/seduction24/01/12 01:19 AM
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Rhett Butler - gone with the wind. There are some elements of being beta (chasing Scarlett too much for example) but the tons of alpha elements he has are legendary (passing shit tests, being spontaneous, talking about things no man back in the civil war era had balls to talk about, living his life to prove himself, not for her).
/r/seduction24/01/12 01:15 AM
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"Boring" life? If you step out and randomly chat up people that's already an adventure. It's how you deliver it. "Haven't been to many places but I gotta go to NYC cause it's bright lights and stuff!" Talk about what you wanna do after university. Hypotheticals aren't as solid but you could still say what's on your mind in a form of a story.
/r/seduction24/01/12 01:13 AM
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Oneitis sucks. It messes with inner game. Oneitis usually stems from being scared to lose something or excessively wanting something "special" from a certain girl. First, ask yourself, What is making your brain think she's special? No girl is a unique snowflake. If you can logically figure that out, that's the first step. Second, when you figure out that "special" thing, realize that it isn't that special. It's a little quirky trait that many girls probably have. Next, what do you want from her?…
/r/seduction23/01/12 09:38 AM
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How to beat the lag: When you're overthinking, fight it by chatting with a friend or two. Make jokes or do anything that invokes feeling and emotion, which isn't logical. Or approach a couple of non-threatening strangers to get the overthinking out of the way.
/r/seduction23/01/12 07:59 AM
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A lot of very attractive girls are with guys that are extremely tall, athletic, and good looking- I don't see many average guys with stunning women. I am tall and am good at a lot of things, but I'm still not so sure that I can ever pull a 10. 85% of people get into a relationship with someone within 2 points of their attraction level. Of course attraction for males can be manipulated. So even if you were for example, "average" looking, if you have great fashion, an uncaring attitude (strong per…
/r/seduction23/01/12 04:42 AM
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My advice: If you're far away from a bigger city, open in a friendly manner (indirect) where you talk to the girl like she's an old friend since your social circle (with the same people) are all around. However, while that lowers risk, it lowers success rate too. Once you get into a bigger city you can go direct "Hey you got unique style/you're cute/you seem like an awesome person, had to talk to you." Delivery (tone/body language) is everything here. Parties: It's up to your style. Some guys br…
/r/seduction23/01/12 01:44 AM
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Indirect for universities works well to avoid the creepy vibe. And yeah, you can go for taller girls if it's only 1-3 inches.
/r/seduction23/01/12 12:26 AM
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Go out alone, why help competition that easily? However, try to figure out how he was acting after you introduced. Maybe he knew how to be confident/charm after the initial AA. Then figure out how to work on your own game. Dress well and look your best. Then be funny, interesting, confident.
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:20 PM
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Not an opener, I used it after talking with her a few minutes and we were talking about her class schedule, then changed it to a game of her knowing the time.
/r/seduction22/01/12 08:53 PM
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I get it. I simply trust that I'm a cool guy. I'm ok. Girl is getting comfort from the fact that you're so calm and confident about your own direct attraction. She can sense you're not the attached, clingy, needy creeper type and that's comforting. And she's already attracted. Good stuff.
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:59 AM
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Awesome, thanks for the feedback. Direct yet uncaring/not needy is so rare during the daytime that it absolutely stuns the girl into attraction. Yeah AA can become excitement. I've had it too. Just need it more consistently. Outcome independence is a beautiful thing. Connecting in general is so fun. You re-framed your mindset. Awesome. Your brain noticed the abundance of women and started not caring if some didn't reply back. That's cool. Why not care about rapport though? Direct/uncaring greatl…
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:44 AM
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Yo Metasnow, you're in college too? I didn't know that. Damn I'm liking these approaches. Tall HB8: Good stuff! It reminds me of an approach I had with a Tall HB8 myself. KINO quicker! In the daytime, I use stories and examples as a way to touch them. Touch is so important. Don't be friendzoned. Keep me updated here. HB6-7-9: Good luck, although I'd keep it chill for a few weeks and then go for it after the halfway point or so in classes (to avoid the creep label from spreading which is the main…
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:33 AM
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Keep talking. Keep making comments. Keep saying, "Lemme guess you two girls are the carefree type" Use your own comments to create interest on their part to be able to further the conversation. Then go into random topics, travel is cool, stuff about the bar/club is cool, then use way more KINO
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:17 AM
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Direct in the daytime without that neediness vibe is the best. I skimmed a lot of this and I'm so glad for your success. You're making me want to approach way more as well.
/r/seduction22/01/12 11:14 AM
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Work isn't personal and gum is a polite gesture. Not great but better than nothing. But you needed to build more interest. What to do: If you go for another girl working, talk about work/internships for a couple minutes. After that, you gotta change it to something more fun, "Yeah well after work and all that, I plan on traveling to blah blah blah cause blah blah blah, I'm sure you want to travel too. Any places you want to travel?" After that exchange of more interesting topics (remember KINO),…
/r/seduction22/01/12 08:25 AM
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Next.
/r/seduction22/01/12 07:13 AM
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It's something I need to work on too but one of my biggest successes was when a girl had a watch on and I took her wrist near her watch and said: "Let's see if you're good with the time. What time is it?" And I cover her watch and hold it. Good KINO tactic.
/r/seduction22/01/12 07:05 AM
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That should be long enough actually. Did she ask any personal question about you? If she does this it inverses flake/no rate from 20yes-80no to 80yes-20no. My advice would be: talk about more interesting things, work/internships wasn't interesting enough to her.
/r/seduction22/01/12 12:34 AM
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she is interested Now kiss her. If you fail, laugh it off and continue like nothing happened. Those who risk get farther in life.
/r/seduction22/01/12 12:21 AM
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It seems to be going well but she doesn't want a relationship, at the same time our talks and relationship feels too deep to just be friends with benefits. FWB + connection. (Not all FWB have to be shallow, although there's a fine line of course) If she gets too close, walk away.
/r/seduction22/01/12 12:20 AM
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Not enough comfort/rapport. Even if she is into you (which seems 50-50) you needed to chat with her more about that small talk. Since it said you talked about your work and her work, how long did you two chat? Next time it would be better to go: Her work, your work, internships, how internships save money, save money for stuff like movies, ask her bout the movies she is into, then "your movie taste is cool, give me your # and we'll watch one together"
/r/seduction22/01/12 12:17 AM
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If you're making out for a while then slowly the girl's defenses will come on. "Sure I'll make out but that's it." It all depends on the girl obviously.
/r/seduction21/01/12 09:57 PM
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LMR - did you touch her enough leading up to the makeout? That's the problem with makeouts, they kill tension = lessen the chance of going all the way.
/r/seduction21/01/12 10:52 AM
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Don't take life so seriously. Have fun. Realize you could mess up and no one will really care. That girl missed out on the best guy (you) she could have ever been with. Next girl. Knowing rejection won't kill you.
/r/seduction21/01/12 09:05 AM
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Easier to get a LTR from it and yes shields are down. It's arguable. But yeah, you could do everything right and get nothing. And then do wrong and still get something amazing. Which is way approaching is such a large portion of the battle.
/r/seduction21/01/12 08:54 AM
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It's a possibility if she smiled afterwards. Do you remember the tone and her body language/facial expression? Makeout is okay. Even for me in daygame, my favorite rule to myself: Even if you do everything right, expect 50% to not work out anyways due to many variables.
/r/seduction21/01/12 08:26 AM
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Oh crap. I'm glad you brought this up. I've been closing without physical contact, which could be raising my flake rate.
/r/seduction21/01/12 08:25 AM
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She says "I think you're pretty cool, but you're acting too cool." Whoa, that depends on the tone. Maybe she's saying: "I didn't expect this of someone like you." Or she's rationalizing her quickness to make out with you.
/r/seduction21/01/12 08:17 AM
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Rejection hurts because you feel you're not "worthy" enough or not good enough. That's totally false. Think of it the opposite way. The girl didn't see all of your great qualities. You're the catch. She messed up. Her loss. Once you realize how many girls you can just go up and talk to, rejection will occur but lots of success too!
/r/seduction21/01/12 08:13 AM
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4 is best to remember. Approach, make her comfortable, then KINO, eye contact, etc. to attract, get #, ????, profit.
/r/seduction21/01/12 12:10 AM
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It's like your going to KINO level 1 and then getting stuck. You'll need to edge out farther into heavier escalation if "your place" is more of a bar/lounge/club feel. tl:dr: Read the sidebar and be brave enough to do Make suggestive remarks 2. Look her in the eyes suggestively. 3. Brush the hair out of her face 4. Or anything
/r/seduction21/01/12 12:00 AM
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Btw, I'm Asian and prefer non-Asian girls.
/r/seduction20/01/12 11:58 PM
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I go to UCD and I'll tell you what I notice. I look at faces a lot. So yes, eyeliner helps. Mascara is optional but whatever. The reason why I notice small details like that is because I'm into details like that. Also: wear red. Proven to make you more attractive. Keep the rest casual. friends you cause it'll be interesting to see your results
/r/seduction20/01/12 11:57 PM
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"In 100 years when everyone from this era is dust or in the dirt, will it matter that I got rejected thousands of times?"
/r/seduction20/01/12 11:54 PM
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Just approach. And speak into a girl's left ear leading into the emotional side of the brain (right side)
/r/seduction20/01/12 11:53 PM
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In 100 years, when everyone is dust or in the dirt, will it really matter if you got rejected by a girl you were into?
/r/seduction20/01/12 11:50 PM
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Well day game is so rare because it's unheard of. "Whoa talking to a girl not in my group?" It makes 95% of men cringe. I know men who are extremely extroverted and get laid all the time in the clubs/bars and can't do anything in the day. So my suggestion is to initiate conversations with men you're into: at the coffee areas, the bus. Just say "Hi you look cool, etc." And let the guy's personality shine through after. I don't do clubbing (some house parties though) because the type of women I li…
/r/seduction20/01/12 11:45 PM
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If you're a senior at UCSB, I would consider daygame or house parties because it's college, you're almost done and that'll be it. Then you can move on from there. If you mess up with a good number of girls, it won't matter cause you'll graduate.
/r/seduction20/01/12 09:40 PM
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You are right. Same here. I'm in another challenge so I better get a good FR up, likewise to you.
/r/seduction20/01/12 10:35 AM
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Awesome, challenge accepted. (And I need to approach more!) Yeah definitely. I'm actually really in conflict with that conservative culture. + I'm the most individualistic human being ever, I'm not into the collective culture identity. But I respect the culture as well and the community vibe it gives. Maybe bring a female friend that can help you chat! Try to find girls sitting down alone or with a friend. Sitting down girls = easy to approach.
/r/seduction20/01/12 10:21 AM
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Oh wow. Well I'm in California but I'm also Filipino. I've heard it's slightly harder to approach there (had a friend who was there recently) but doable. I'm in the same boat. If it's a girl I want to talk to but she's in the middle of 10 people, that's tough. But there are times when I can do anything. I got a challenge, to help you with daygame, let's see who can make the best daygame FR within a month!
/r/seduction20/01/12 10:12 AM
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Where do you live? I basically only do daygame because I like that randomness. To be able to have choice is beautiful. Same idea in daygame except you're going in without a profile list. You're going in asking about something or being honest about why you're going in.
/r/seduction20/01/12 09:55 AM
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Last thing: Do you even give red dotted girls a shot? Or do you aim for green/yellow?
/r/seduction20/01/12 09:34 AM
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Thanks for the example. I appreciate that feedback. The reason I asked was cause I did something similar. I'd look at profiles, dissect it but then I realized it didn't work well. My success rate was terrible as well. I'll try it out right now. Thanks!
/r/seduction20/01/12 09:16 AM
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No problem, good to see 5'9 Asian guy go from OKC date to F-close because I'm 5'8 Asian guy. I appreciate your post a lot because I haven't gotten the OKC success I've been looking for. Question: How long are your messages you give out to girls and any examples that worked for you?
/r/seduction20/01/12 08:54 AM
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Where in Cali? SF is a nice place for all sorts of "game"
/r/seduction20/01/12 08:52 AM
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I usually talk to them about their phone cover.
/r/seduction20/01/12 08:12 AM
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Alright. Don't go aiming for #'s right away. It makes you outcome dependent and then you act like your life depends on getting the #. I'd rather aim to have good conversations with one girl a day. If it really clicks, then ask for her # then. Slowly use those experiences to figure out what works/doesn't work, read the sidebar to figure out if that matches real life in your own experiences. Tl;dr: Make an outcome independent goal: Approach one girl a day. Have a good conversation with one girl a …
/r/seduction20/01/12 05:15 AM
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Yes. I have as many girl friends as guy friends. And I hang out with them 1 on 1. You need to objectively see them as "attractive but not my type" and then it's easier. They're almost a guy with different parts. Obviously, if you want physical things, chase other girls that you are into and use seddit tips accordingly.
/r/seduction20/01/12 04:23 AM
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Anyway, I'm thinking of dropping my OKC profile completely since I'd like to work on my real-life game instead. Not that I completely rely on OKC to get dates or get laid, but real-life game seems to be much more closer to the truth More options = more possibilities. I'd keep it up.
/r/seduction20/01/12 03:35 AM
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Additionally, she is way too hot. She could easily be a victoria's secret model if she was a little taller. Rationalization. People didn't add this though. HB8.5+ are hit on less during the daytime because of rationalizations like that. Approach anyways.
/r/seduction19/01/12 10:43 PM
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Learned outcome independence by changing your definition of success. I'll give you an example. One time I walked up to a girl with red pants. I said, "Hey nice red pants" Basically I kept asking questions, stumbling around because I was too anxious. Then when she said she was waiting for her friend, she meant girlfriend. She was a lesbian. Her girlfriend came over. They kissed. They both looked at me like I was weird and creepy. I told them, "Sometimes it's better to be awkward and embarrassed t…
/r/seduction19/01/12 09:29 AM
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I wonder, could be extroverts get energy by talking, doesn't matter if they care about what the other person is saying or not. Although I'll care if I have the potential to get it into deeper conversation within 5-10 minutes. Doable with the right model.
/r/seduction19/01/12 09:12 AM
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Yeah, I'm an introvert too. It drains me of energy I need to actually talk to girls I want to talk to. Although sometimes I'll say little things to get my mouth moving to eliminate whatever AA is hindering me. Glad I could relate. My personal opinion is that I care about everybody but the effort it would take to get into deeper conversation won't happen with a grocery person. I'll stick to approach random folks where I can potentially get to deeper conversation.
/r/seduction19/01/12 09:04 AM
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To each their own. I argued with my friend whether I should talk to everyone. In my mind, once you overcome AA it's your choice. If you only want to talk to "hot" girls, so it goes.
/r/seduction19/01/12 08:47 AM
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Meditation is an awesome way to be comfortable with it cause it makes you comfortable with that peace and quiet.
/r/seduction19/01/12 08:45 AM
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Depends on city but /r/[yourcity] could work. Or meetup.com
/r/seduction19/01/12 06:13 AM
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I'd say it's the guy's job to keep the conversation flowing more so than the girl at the beginning than a two-way street after the initial comfort phase. Silence is golden at the right moment and okay at other moments.
/r/seduction19/01/12 06:11 AM
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I hate awkward silences and I always feel like they are my fault. I changed my whole mindset about silence. In a world that says it's awkward, it shouldn't be. Let the silence flow while you're thinking of a topic to chat about. Don't overthink it, assume positive intent.
/r/seduction19/01/12 05:43 AM
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Make more comments about the environment or what she's wearing or the entertainment company itself. Burden is on the guy to keep the conversation going by making comments (for about 2-3 minutes.) Then make her talk once she gets going.
/r/seduction19/01/12 05:35 AM
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besides ask what she was listening to You have climbed one stair. Change doesn't happen overnight. You made a huge first step. Now mentally imagine this: When the girl gets quiet after answering, you must keep going. It takes a while for the girl to get comfortable. Keep making comments ("Oh yeah that song is cool since ____. Good music taste you have there. What other music do you listen to?") Could work.
/r/seduction19/01/12 05:32 AM
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Nice guy with backbone/assertiveness = alpha. Nice guy with no backbone/apologetic 24/7 = beta.
/r/seduction18/01/12 11:11 AM
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Read the sidebar. I'd start with the Approach Anxiety one. Besides the usual keep fit, dress nice, good hygiene, figure out what you like to do and where you want to meet girls. For example, what TokyoPickup says is spot on, yet I'm not huge on bars/clubs, so I talk to women in the daytime. See what works for you.
/r/seduction18/01/12 08:30 AM
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Almost nothing in life requires more than 8 seconds of courage. After a while, the regret of not doing it feels worse than the fear itself.
/r/seduction18/01/12 08:18 AM
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Make a life: Do something awesome with your time. For example, I blog. I read. I keep updated on events. I like sports. I know a lot about travel, music, etc. to help me in conversation. Then talk to everyone. The cashiers, the elderly folks near you, the waiter at a restaurant to practice opening your mouth. Learn small talk. Join a club/hobby group. The easiest way to not care is to approach girls all over the place. Once you know how to talk small talk with people, talk to girls. Realize they…
/r/seduction18/01/12 08:13 AM
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Check out other models. The game isn't the only way to make friends and get dates. Look up others.
/r/seduction18/01/12 08:05 AM
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If girls can't handle those negs, you give ambiguous negs. "Modest" for example. And approach count is important. Even with a success rate of 5%, if you approach 100, that's 5 fun nights. That's why approaching over and over is so important. Even with rejection. Everything else is spot on
/r/seduction18/01/12 08:04 AM
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Great post! I actually have an even amount of guy-girl friends and this is spot on. A great feeling is being good friends with an attractive girl you know is hot but just not your type. Just as good if not better wings. Give you an idea as to how "the girl you're going for" is feeling.
/r/seduction18/01/12 07:59 AM
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Competition helps too, good point
/r/seduction18/01/12 03:58 AM
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Good feedback. I was speaking to those people who are so afraid that they can't even approach at all. "Hi" isn't the best way to go about succeeding but it's better than not approaching at all. Finding a reason to chat with someone is the next step though.
/r/seduction18/01/12 03:57 AM
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At first I said it was okay to have people give you money but I changed my mind. If it's your money and they're simply giving it back, it's much better.
/r/seduction17/01/12 11:24 PM
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You're right. You're not being rewarded. You're fighting to get your $ back! You're fighting for your prized possession in return.
/r/seduction17/01/12 09:38 PM
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"The phenomenon whereby extrinsic motivators cause intrinsic motivation to evaporate." In this case, there isn't any intrinsic motivation to begin with. Therefore, you're not evaporating that. On top of that, accountability (works for many) to tell the friend that you indeed talked to 50 girls adds another layer of motivation.
/r/seduction17/01/12 08:40 PM
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Approach Anxiety. Fear of starting a conversation.
/r/seduction17/01/12 07:31 PM
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The best reset button is stopping all communication for 3-6 months. Don't leave a text, don't leave a message, don't call her. Then she'll wonder what happened to you. Even if she doesn't, contact her after that. The easiest way to build indifference if your self control mechanism is busted due to one-itis = give the illusion of PLAN B. Have another girl you could go for potentially. Keep talking to other girls. Hopefully you can get a second chance at it. Be indifferent, funny, and do everythin…
/r/seduction17/01/12 06:49 PM
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there's no specific deadline. Make a deadline: Meet a friend. Give him $40. Tell him that you'll talk to 30 girls in a month. Even if that means only "Hi" but be honest with yourself. Give good eye contact and say hi. If you talk to 30 by the end of the month, you get your $40 back. If not, you lose it.
/r/seduction17/01/12 06:44 PM
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Assertive does not mean aggressive. Nice guy/sticking up for oneself is attractive. Nice guy/being a pushover is not attractive. Find the type of women into more of an equal view of the gender roles. For example, some hipsters don't like alphas because they like feminine aspects in their mates. For conversations anywhere: say "Hi" and figure out if you two vibe. If not, next girl.
/r/seduction17/01/12 06:40 PM
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"Hi, and who are you to be rudely poking me on the shoulder playful tone" With practice, you'll learn.
/r/seduction17/01/12 07:54 AM
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Talk, don't let AA win.
/r/seduction17/01/12 07:51 AM
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It all depends on your intent and where you want to go with it. For many on /r/seduction, I bet getting as many lays is great. Good for them. However in your case you want a deeper connection. What I learned to build a good connection: Hit the core passion. (If she's a hipster and loves Radiohead and you do also, then you can lean on that for connecting.) Same humor. (Black humor? Sexual jokes?) Figure out what turns you on to women besides their looks. (If that applies) Intangibles. Sometimes i…
/r/seduction17/01/12 07:49 AM
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I was caught off guard but decided to use it and show some vulnerability here. Is this appropriate? I've read conflicting things on vulnerability. Vulnerability is good in tiny doses to show you're a breathing, living human. You have emotions but have utmost control about them.
/r/seduction16/01/12 10:01 PM
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There's no magical cue for a "right" moment, so next time just do it. Whenever you think there's a possibility, you're most likely going to succeed. And if not, play it off like it's nothing.
/r/seduction16/01/12 09:43 PM
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If she asks, "Why are you here?" or "Are you a student here?" Just be like, "Just met up with an old friend who still goes here." If it's a big campus, it won't matter. For me, I could use that excuse in a truthful way for a couple years because I talk to many lower class men.
/r/seduction16/01/12 08:26 AM
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Couldn't agree more.
/r/seduction16/01/12 08:25 AM
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If this didn't get me frustrated enough, I would've told you, "Go to the sidebar and read." But here it is: My interests are pretty geeky (psychology[MBTI -xNTx here :)], philosophy, cosmology, computers) and i've learned NOT to talk about them, (It just becomes a lecture...) So how do I learn the way to talk about nothing in an awesome and attractive way? You can say ANYTHING in an awesome/attractive way. Almost all girls love that Psychology stuff. The Myers-Briggs is something most girls like…
/r/seduction16/01/12 08:17 AM
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Need to sit next to her or close to her. Try to find a way to sit on the same side of her. Arms and hands. Lower back. Hips. High fives, longer handshakes, tickling, enhancing a point in a story are good examples.
/r/seduction16/01/12 08:09 AM
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If it works, it works. It all depends on your intent and where you want to go with it. Reason why it's better to have a conversation where the girl shares her personal side: She needs to qualify to you. Her being cute isn't good enough on its own.
/r/seduction15/01/12 09:15 PM
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Just today I went out with friends, just going around and doing cool stuff. It just happened I had a situation where I could talk to an attractive lady. I had no pressure and felt total outcome independence. Amazing.
/r/seduction15/01/12 04:21 AM
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I like this a lot. What I did: I read all of their outlines, models. Then with trial and error, I figured out how to express my personality with a loose outline to remind me. For example, I know I'm not into clubs/bars because those people have really high energy. I go for low-key places in the day time. I like going indirect and creating natural conversation. If the situation calls for it, I go direct.
/r/seduction15/01/12 04:00 AM
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I would usually ask for directions then say. "Ya know what? I'm not really looking for _____. I just thought you were cute and wanted to come say hi" Do this in the cities. Go indirect in college. I've approached around 50 so far and I've gotten a few numbers and made a few amazing friends (women) via cold approach (better for my introverted brain). Why indirect? Girls expect to be friends with people in college. So what you do is have a natural conversation and make her feel comfortable enough …
/r/seduction14/01/12 07:56 AM
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Assertive does not equal aggressive. "Let's fuck tonight" is too aggressive. But for instance, if it crosses your brain that you want to kiss her and she's giving a lot of interest, you need assertiveness to finish the deal.
/r/seduction14/01/12 07:44 AM
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It's proven by psychology. Oxytocin adds more trust to in-group but makes you shut out out-group (everyone else). Cross your fingers for some group work in class! Therefore, I find girls that seem to be more open to strangers. Then I try talking to them anyway. Nothing to lose. Makes you see the world in infinite opportunity instead of waiting for some luck
/r/seduction14/01/12 07:32 AM
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I mostly agree. I read models of other people and then figure out their main themes. I hold a few words in my mind to know where to go with the interaction.
/r/seduction14/01/12 07:22 AM
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tl;dr: A redhead took my soul. You're not alone. A redhead took mine too. It took me about a year to recover. My tips to you: Start slow. Say hi to 50 random strangers. Keep doing what you do, just opening people. Don't care about outcome. Your close is your happiness, your fun, getting yourself back. Either get back on school somehow or look for a job or both. Reach out with old friends if possible. Keep working on the inner game, working out, meditation, etc. I know where you've been. Keep at …
/r/seduction14/01/12 07:20 AM
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Way less chance of blowout when building rapport first then breaking it with negs like that. he gets extremely pissed, I leave, she comes over again to tell me how angry she was. You gave an emotion and she came back. Could be a shit-test like another person said.
/r/seduction14/01/12 05:32 AM
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This needs 10000 upvotes.
/r/seduction14/01/12 03:22 AM
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Next girl. Good eject. Good learn experiences.
/r/seduction14/01/12 02:19 AM
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I am in a similar situation. Do it. If you fail, you're graduating. If you succeed, you make a friend, date, or something more. Seems like a net positive with minimal risk.
/r/seduction14/01/12 02:11 AM
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One more thing too: There are certain people from high school that I'm still REALLY jealous of. I was the same way. Then I realized they're not thinking of me! So why should I think of them? I see the way that people treated me who I badly wanted to be liked by. I wanted their approval so bad that I acted in a way that wasn't congruent to who I really was. Good lesson to learn. Remember to stop caring so much about what others think At the same time, find a group you're interested in. Go to thei…
/r/seduction14/01/12 02:09 AM
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The first REALLY pisses me off, because it's too true and can't be changed. Chicks REALLY dig tall guys, and this becomes brutally apparent in clubs. Even if it's a truth, become the exception to the rule. Just because it's harder doesn't mean it's impossible. I see 5'8 guys with 5'9 girls, 5'9 guys with 5'11 girls. It's uncommon but not impossible. Why do I reply? I was bitter like that until I figured it's not worth it. Do what you can change.
/r/seduction14/01/12 01:59 AM
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But despite this, I have serious AA. Alright here goes. Say Hi to 100 random strangers. See what happens. (I basically ask a girl about something: her coffee, directions to my class, her textbook, the bus line.) I almost always chat up someone when they're alone or in pairs. On campus, through only chatting with strangers in the daytime 1 on 1 no social proof 95% of the time (because I don't like groups): I've made a few extremely close friends (which is how I like it as an introvert), have #-cl…
/r/seduction14/01/12 01:55 AM
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Yup. 90% of my approaches are daygame and while the AA is tougher and the comfort phase is longer, everything else is easier imo. Higher value to get through AA that very few if any get over in the daytime. Natural conversation that you can frame into anything. More polite kino Getting the types of girls that aren't into clubs/bars. Would be cool to keep me updated. Cheers
/r/seduction13/01/12 12:41 PM
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That's the spirit. Remember: You have no competition. Let your approach shock them into bliss.
/r/seduction13/01/12 12:31 PM
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Don't let it affect you. Same old: Inner game wins out. Tease her a bit. Or casually say, "K, I understand" As long as you show you're not affected by it, she most likely won't be either. Then try again a bit later if you feel a better vibe.
/r/seduction13/01/12 10:31 AM
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I understand. Maybe you could stop her. Go in front of her. Triangle gaze and see where her eyes go. If it goes towards the lips at all. You're good. If not, turn around and keep walking. You're at least giving her the hint.
/r/seduction13/01/12 10:12 AM
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The Cube
/r/seduction13/01/12 09:59 AM
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Sucks to hear man. I'd keep trying or go to a different country to daygame. Daygame opens you up to so many introverted type girls that would never go to a club/bar.
/r/seduction13/01/12 09:54 AM
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Racial stigmas suck but sometimes I try to look for a signal that she's cool with that. I find that if her friends are of many races, then she's more open to guys of any race as well. Sometimes they're into other races more.
/r/seduction13/01/12 09:53 AM
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I figure it has something to do with kino, but I honestly get no feedback from these girls when I try to escalate, neither positive nor negative. Neutral feedback = KEEP GOING!
/r/seduction13/01/12 09:43 AM
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I didn't read the whole thing. I read the 18 types and the "victims" Find what type you want to be by the summaries. Then figure how you can benefit people you interact with. If you reply, I'll PM you an example.
/r/seduction13/01/12 09:42 AM
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Resume kino, but we're still not holding hands. If she was complying with everything else, it's just her. She may think only her boyfriend gets to hold her hands. That's cool. I know there wasn't near enough kino to expect a kiss, so I don't even try. Wait so there was no one there? Since you're not one-itis with her and she's running into you and cool with being touched (besides holding hands), why NOT go for the k-close, even a quick peck. Now, Seddit, do you think paying for her was a fair de…
/r/seduction13/01/12 09:36 AM
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I had the opportunity to make a great lasting impression instead of my weak ass hellos Don't be so hard on yourself. Weak hellos better than no hello at all. Now like you say: Improve by taking more action. Fail faster.
/r/seduction13/01/12 09:28 AM
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Definitely. Heck, even 1% isn't so bad for those who are immune to rejection. So approaching 100 is cool too.
/r/seduction13/01/12 05:46 AM
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It's a great speech. Highlights: Sinn states he approached around 10000 and only got with 200-250. That's 2.5% success rate. Numbers game! Towards the end, something along "Don't get addicted to game. Live your life, do other amazing things. Game should be one of many hobbies" He's the reason why I believe DHV to be overrated: Validation is more important than DHV because girls like the chase and want to know, "Oh he picked me because of such and such, not just because I'm a living/breathing fem…
/r/seduction12/01/12 11:21 PM
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I'm fine with 5% success for now. All you need to do is approach way more. Expect 50% to not like you no matter what. Expect 50% of the remaining 50% to have a boyfriend (up to you to decide what to do) So that leaves 25% that are neutral or really into you without a bf. Getting 1/5 of those isn't that hard once you're good = 5%
/r/seduction12/01/12 11:15 PM
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I agree. Even a 5-10% success rate = Approaching 2000-4000. Numbers game.
/r/seduction12/01/12 11:08 PM
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5% is a good number to aim for. It may not seem that high but approaching 20 girls isn't that tough.
/r/seduction12/01/12 11:07 PM
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You do. If you do the flowers, keep me updated.
/r/seduction12/01/12 10:16 PM
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I understand. I'm saying spontaneous, thrilling, random events. Those events and experiences could be gifts that are one of a kind (therefore she won't think you're just trying to buy or regain her affection through things like flowers.)
/r/seduction12/01/12 10:01 PM
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Intermediate Sedditor Now, I don't like going to bars/clubs and other noisy places, and don't have much of a social life either. Chat with strangers in the daytime. "Hi" works. Smile. Eye contact. Then join a hobby group. Then keep talking to strangers in the daytime and build a network from the group. You create a frame that interests both of you: Fashion and travel are two good topics to start, then add in your own. Ex: "Hi, I had to talk to you cause your fashion looks awesome." Then you talk…
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:48 PM
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Yup. Improve your inner game. My model consists of three words and I only do that to make sure I'm bringing the conversation to a nice place. Everything within the interaction is one of a kind.
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:45 PM
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For instance, today, I really am wanting to send this girl some flowers. Until she is your girlfriend, no flowers. Do something romantic yet unpredictable. Instead of flowers, ask to meet up, and do something extremely unique/one of a kind. Romance works if it's spontaneous, thrilling, random, breaks routine.
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:38 PM
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Find a way to sit NEXT to her. Not across. (for KINO, look below) What are some of her interests? Ask her questions. Then ADD ON YOUR FEEDBACK, do not be an interviewer. Good eye contact. Then tell stories when it relates. Example: she is wearing something interesting "Wow cool black shoes, didn't know you had somewhat good taste in shoes." Etc. KINO Stage 1 (high fives, extended handshakes, touching her arm when you're telling a cool story)
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:54 AM
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Not for LTR. Nice with backbone (meaning assertive, no pushover crap) + good vibe and connection works. <---Personal experience a few times.
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:36 AM
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Read the sidebar. Then try out what you like. For example, I don't go to clubs/bars much because I don't like that atmosphere, so I do daygame. Figure out your personality and how it meshes. My one tip: You sign up for this, remember you will get rejected. It will hurt at first. You must keep going until rejection no longer hurts. Then you'll be on your way. Also read the damn sidebar.
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:26 AM
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But I manned up, approached her and say with a smirk,"Didn't think you'd have the guts to come back in here." You re-framed and the rest is history. Great FR
/r/seduction12/01/12 09:03 AM
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I thought about it as well but you can easily adapt night game into day game. No need because there's a fair share of people who do night. People who do day. People who do both.
/r/seduction12/01/12 07:04 AM
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Good to see another day gamer. Make friends with those around you in line at night.
/r/seduction12/01/12 07:03 AM
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focus on indirect or social circle game. You answered your own question. I'd say both. Indirect in college. Direct in cities.
/r/seduction12/01/12 05:50 AM
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Going out alone + Daygame = a beautiful thing. If you can destroy AA.
/r/seduction12/01/12 05:45 AM
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Do you want # count? Or just high quality girls? Or even flings then LTR? It's all your decision. I would rotate bars/clubs in any case. That's it.
/r/seduction12/01/12 05:39 AM
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I know how you feel. But notice how you forced yourself to flirt with other girls? You got something awesome out of that. It's something I need to work on (talking to girls OUT of state)
/r/seduction11/01/12 09:21 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/fgq0a/approach_anxiety_is_a_symptom_of_extreme/ Read that for inspiration. The worst you can be is a normal, awkward, boring guy. Then life goes on. You'll survive. The girl will either make a story out of you (even if it's negative, you made conversation for her!) or she will forget about you. Life goes on. Or you can get a date or awesome conversation out of it.
/r/seduction11/01/12 09:13 AM
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Good FR, proves how oneitis screws with you. You need to cut off communication with the oneitis girl. Then you're golden.
/r/seduction11/01/12 09:04 AM
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Today I just walked around the Times Square area There's going to be a lot of tourists. Try to find a place with a more hometown feel. I know there's a particular neighborhood that's home to NYC residences mostly. I frame it this way: Okay, so you "messed" up with 3 girls. When you cold approach, you signed up for a lot of rejection. There will be a lot of pain. Slowly kill the approval seeking brain by approaching more and more. Do 1000 approaches, even if 1000 fail Good job so far, you're at l…
/r/seduction11/01/12 06:46 AM
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You could do everything right and the girl won't open up. That's cool! All you gotta do is go for the next one.
/r/seduction11/01/12 06:31 AM
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Hit that passion and you'll almost always have a winner. So all you need to do is figure out her passion from the stuff on her: Clothing, accessories, how much makeup. Do your best to gather info and then slowly build her profile with a conversation leading to --> "So what are some of your passions?"
/r/seduction11/01/12 01:36 AM
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I've had some success but not with the girls that I want So you were going for # count when you didn't want that? Or girls that weren't up to your beauty standards? Go for the girls (yes plural, don't pull oneitis crap) you do want. If that means being pickier and getting rejected more, that's life.
/r/seduction10/01/12 08:44 PM
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Best statement. Be assertive but not crazy aggressive.
/r/seduction10/01/12 08:34 PM
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Deeper emotional connection: What's the core passion of you? What's the core passion of her? Then it depends how your personalities are. Same humor? Similar mannerisms? Same way of thinking about the world? Similar fashion sense? Music/interests/whatever are helpful but overrated. Even for the airheaded type of girls, if you can find any sort of passion on their side and bring it to the conversation (even sexual innuendo), that's a connection. I'm not against pure lust. I'm just saying: if you w…
/r/seduction10/01/12 08:31 PM
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All depends on the type of women you want to go for but instead of making up 7/10, go to the field and see how many women you get out of 10 or 100
/r/seduction10/01/12 10:17 AM
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Everything puaCurveball said is correct. However, I'd rather go indirect in college. If you go direct and creep a lot of girls out due to inexperience, you may get creeper status cause the girls have to go back to the same campus, whereas a big city you'll never see them again. Use props for you. Their coffee drink. The book they're reading. Their laptop. The environment. The situation. College campus = Indirect "Hey, what coffee drink did you get? I wanted to try a new drink and I'm sure someon…
/r/seduction10/01/12 09:54 AM
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College, go indirect.
/r/seduction10/01/12 09:46 AM
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only feedback I ask her if she wants to grab a drink Wednesday night, she says yes and I tell her I'll text her a time and a place later this week. To reduce flake, make plans as concrete as possible. Next time, text, "Drinks wednesday at 7, insert place?"
/r/seduction10/01/12 08:42 AM
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My game is largely based on conversation Go Daygame or social circle game. (Friends of friends) But that's my bias. Haha
/r/seduction10/01/12 07:22 AM
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I had to come to accept the feelings I was having (severe loneliness, depression, etc), and then truly accept that I am awesome. Glad to know you fought through this.
/r/seduction10/01/12 06:18 AM
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I agree. You can be nice but you need a backbone. If the girl is treating you like crap, you need to have a backbone to assert yourself.
/r/seduction10/01/12 03:14 AM
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Mostly looks for flings More looks + anything else for LTR I like how she used the word attractive: Basically you failed in the attraction phase. Or she's shallow. So it goes. Next girl.
/r/seduction10/01/12 03:13 AM
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Can work because any approach in the daytime that has calm, cool, and confident will work. More about tone. Personally, props seem better because it's more controllable. They could change it. They can't change their face: "Yellow Iphone cover" "Purple shoes" "Weird knitted scarf"
/r/seduction10/01/12 02:39 AM
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Thanks for the example. That'll help me go up to a girl right away without taking the 5-10 seconds it takes for me to figure out how to stop her with the prop. Putting it on the 3rd line looks great. Only feedback is: name shouldn't be forced (but name is cool too) feel giving up your name isn't needed as long as you show confidence. College: Most PUAs argue social circle but INDIRECT daygame works well too. Basically your 3rd comment is my 1st comment. (Comfort is from the commonality of being …
/r/seduction10/01/12 02:35 AM
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Awesome, what's one personal example you use? I ask since I've done indirect most of the time (which is best for college campus). I agree direct is best in the city though! lol yeah, you find areas where your type of women are after a while.
/r/seduction10/01/12 02:15 AM
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Awesome. Do you prefer direct or indirect? Or just using the best method for the situation? The quality is lacking as well for LTR. By all means they're good for flings though. But not worth it to find the diamond with all of that external validation static. when you could approach a smokin hottie at the grocery store? Then you can find cool places to approach people too. Certain coffee shops, etc. Like if you are into hipster girls, go to Whole Foods! lol.
/r/seduction10/01/12 01:58 AM
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Let the girl decide. Don't overthink it. Approach. Let her walk away or have body language that wants you out of there. Start off with a girl that is sitting or standing (waiting in line, no reason, waiting for someone) Fight it. I've been fighting it for a year and it's helped me benefit so much. You are right. I'm Asian also. Asian girls are more for "friends of friends" or social circles in the daytime (based on the 10 or so I've approached) but I'm into other races more. Try anyways, practic…
/r/seduction10/01/12 12:52 AM
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Good insight. Maybe that's the one GOOD thing with rom-coms, although I loathe them beyond imagine for making men spineless. It isn't even being too nice; it's growing no spine. Changing your whole life just for the girl. Pretty bad there.
/r/seduction10/01/12 12:20 AM
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The ending is where he comes to terms with the indifference of the universe. Therefore any action deemed weird or bad by society isn't so bad. I mean dont murder someone but knowing that the universe doesn't care means you can do almost anything. Approach girls anywhere for example. In the long run when everyone has passed on, you want to put you mark on the world. Tldr indifference of universe means all outcomes don't matter. Were all going to be a speck of dust in 100 years anyways most likely…
/r/seduction09/01/12 10:09 PM
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Daygame is awesome because there's no competition and a simple indirect opener like that works. Approach over and over. Remember not every girl likes bars clubs. Besides, I'm not into the club scene. (So if I approach a girl that's that type, I keep her in the friendzone. The awesomeness of options.)
/r/seduction09/01/12 10:04 PM
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Which is why I talk to some like at tops 3 weeks before the class ends. Enough time to get close yet enough time for the class to end before girls think you're the creeper if you mess up
/r/seduction09/01/12 11:03 AM
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Practice. Coffee shops: Hey, what drink did you order? "Oh okay that's a cool drink. I like it/don't like it because" Do you like it? Cool can I have a sip of it? "So do you always order simple/premium coffee drinks?" "I usually order black coffee because I'm a 'poor' college student!, oh wait you are too! We have that in common." What's your major, blah blah blah, lead into cool stories/fun stuff. Bench Whoa only sitting on the bench? You seem like the energetic type, I wouldve figured you'd be…
/r/seduction09/01/12 08:02 AM
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Seems like burnout. I approached 50 girls in a few months and that was way more than I ever did at that point in such a short period. So I took a month off to recharge, especially cause I'm an introvert. Nothing wrong with it. Do you want internal motivation? Internal: Even if it's slight mild depression or needing to recharge due to introverted brain, go out with a mindset to have fun, not only close girls but to have fun. Fun first, girls second. Or external motivation? External: Give your bes…
/r/seduction09/01/12 07:42 AM
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Girl2 was awesome. And this is why I recommend chatting to cashiers/girls working at a store. I wouldn't recommend #-closing all the time but you practice killing AA. Notice how long it took her to open up? I ask if I can sample one, and she gives me one and I go, I'd finish this but I have to watch my figure. That's basically bait for her to talk, especially if she's herself conscious about her figure. If she relates, then she'll want to continue talking. Make comments! Simple close: "K need to…
/r/seduction09/01/12 07:07 AM
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I know how this feels. Give yourself props for saying hi to people. That's something. However, tone is everything. I remember telling a girl last year, "nice...purse" and she was creeped out. But just last week, I went up to another girl and said: "Wow, your mohawk looks wonderful." with such a confident tone that the girl thanked me genuinely and went on her way. The point is, work on your tone. Keep practicing with "Excuse me. You're cute and so I'm saying hi." Do it in the mirror. Hope to see…
/r/seduction09/01/12 07:00 AM
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/r/seduction09/01/12 06:55 AM
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Do not seek validation from women Do not eject prematurely. Give them the chance to eject, slap you, get bored, walk away. "So you didn't mesh well with her? Okay, next girl!" That's how your inner game has to be. Do not reject yourself.
/r/seduction09/01/12 06:53 AM
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I just go to work/school Talk to people at work. Talk to people at school. In classrooms, on campus, coffee shops nearby (on campus). People sitting on benches. Figure out similar interests, then ask for their FB or #, I'd go with the latter but FB works better sometimes.
/r/seduction09/01/12 06:49 AM
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Better. amazing Korean chick walk out of a store Attractive for sure but don't give her that much value...yet. Ask where she's from, what she bought/is buying, etc. You're making progress. Her: "Yeah I'm into blah blah blah" You: "Yeah I've heard bout that from my friend blah blah blah" or "Yeah I know about that because blah blah blah" or "Me too, I had a similar experience blah blah blah" Re-frame. Then add in your own commentary. When it comes to moving targets, walk up to their side and then…
/r/seduction09/01/12 06:16 AM
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You can talk to the ones in class but you need to be more interesting than the regular boring small talk. tl;dr talk to everyone on campus!
/r/seduction09/01/12 05:07 AM
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I write a blog about all my successes/failures. Gives me awesome perspective.
/r/seduction09/01/12 03:39 AM
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Again, good thoughts. Thanks for the specific observations, most of it being: keep on going and you'll eventually succeed if you're willing to see what you need to improve on as well. I also agree that the fake alpha mindset isn't the best way to go about things. I'm sure there's a third way - knowing you're alpha without having to be a jerk. Asshole does not equal alpha. Touching from the start is so important. I was about to address this issue in future interactions starting tomorrow.
/r/seduction09/01/12 02:02 AM
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So instead of failing over and over blindly, you need to see what didn't work and adjust accordingly. Makes sense. I know to tailor it to myself. Confidence seems to be the universal principle. There might be one or two weeks before that where you're meeting set after set and still remembering how not to do things wrong, or meeting people it's not clicking with - but those memories fade super fast once you have someone you like. That paragraph makes it sound so easy, which is probably is once yo…
/r/seduction08/01/12 12:50 PM
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I appreciate your feedback and thoughts. I agree that "alpha and not caring" only gets you so far because you're not improving on your skills, especially if you're messing up the same way. I keep many different outlines in my mind and then after 100 approaches I see if it was "successful" or not. Anyways, I feel that each person should create their own method with some outlines of others + their own experiences. For intent, it's up to the guy. With 5%, I'm giving the reality check that the major…
/r/seduction08/01/12 12:26 PM
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It doesn't matter - When everything is said and done, barring some technology that keeps us alive forever, will it matter what you did or didn't do in 100 years? Win-win. However, when you fail. Try to find out what works and doesn't work.
/r/seduction08/01/12 11:18 AM
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College evens the playing field. DHV is overrated for most girls, only value you need is confidence and dressing well (if that) for many.
/r/seduction08/01/12 08:44 AM
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The best tip: Do not care what others think (unless they're extremely close to you). Do what you feel is right.
/r/seduction08/01/12 07:34 AM
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There are those introverts who are naturally quiet OR those introverts that are "slow to warm up." That's me as well. Basically, you have to ease them into the conversation. All you need to do is talk about something you think they'd find interesting or you know they're knowledgeable with. Let's say she is wearing nice clothes. Ask her about the latest fashion trends or her own unique style. Lead the frame but ask questions more.
/r/seduction08/01/12 07:32 AM
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Books/scarves/creations are by choice. Physical features like noses are not controllable. Hence the difference in compliments. I use that to open most people quiet or not anyways.
/r/seduction08/01/12 07:30 AM
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Good honest view about being "creeper." So based on what you said: Figure out what you're doing wrong/Get someone to tell them what they're doing wrong. There needs to be an understanding that successful Day2 rate will probably be in the single digits (Yes we're talking 5%-ish) So what's your personal advice after implied years of experience?
/r/seduction08/01/12 07:13 AM
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I agree. I'd rather say something slightly AFC than nothing at all. Chances will be low but I'll even take 1% over 0% any day. You can save yourself to show you're no AFC if you're in conversation. Better than wondering what if
/r/seduction08/01/12 06:28 AM
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Which is why pure numbers game works for him. He never chats with any women over 90 seconds. Other indirect or direct daygame models are considerably longer (5-10 minutes) to build a better connection to take away first impressions (aka "average" looks)
/r/seduction08/01/12 12:33 AM
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Coming off as a creeper will happen more often than not in early approaches. Fail quicker. Fail hundreds of times so that being a creeper isn't bad to your own ego. For example, I recall stopping 2 girls asking for gum. It went interesting. The girl that gave me gum looked impressed at me, that I had the guts to randomly approach like that. The other girl looked at me like I was SCUM and looked extremely shocked. The point is: You will get creeped out looks. You will get rejected. You will be em…
/r/seduction07/01/12 03:25 PM
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You'd need to wing the parents as well, so indirect could work best like you put it here.
/r/seduction07/01/12 01:25 PM
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Not for daygame because guys are too scared to even approach HB9/10 during the daytime. Just approaching, especially directly in the day shows massive DHV Definitely too AFC for clubs though.
/r/seduction07/01/12 01:23 PM
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You're feeling empty because of the disappointment you have with not being able to get past AA. It comes down to this: Are you willing to put your ego aside and accept any potential rejection/awkwardness? Don't be afraid to be creepy either because you'll most likely never run into them again. Don't care so much. Everything is your mindset. Nothing is really weird. That's all in your mind.
/r/seduction07/01/12 11:54 AM
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Talk to her. Since she's already giving IoI, say "I found you cute. I had to talk to you." Go from there
/r/seduction07/01/12 10:33 AM
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If you have inner confidence, you'll be able to say things without needing approval, do things that others may not like = become a leader
/r/seduction07/01/12 08:03 AM
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Empty feeling? You need to have a better mindset. Think of it this way: 95% of all the males don't even have the guts to cold approach at all. You're that close. You're social but afraid of cold approaching. So go bold, go direct "Hi, I had to stop you because you have an interesting _____. You don't see people like that often." "Hi, you're cute, so I had to come to talk to you." Practice in the mirror how you deliver it and if it's genuine it'll be good. Why direct? Because it'll make you get o…
/r/seduction07/01/12 08:00 AM
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Go to the sidebar and click where it says "All About Inner Game"
/r/seduction07/01/12 07:54 AM
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Alright. Don't mind the creeper faces the first few times you approach. Don't mind any outcome. I've done many daytime approaches and what you need to do is stay calm. Turn off all the internal chatter. Here are some tips: For the first 50-100 approaches, only approach girls who are alone. Groups can be done but with experience. "Hi, do you know where [insert store] is? To cashiers: "Hi, what's your favorite drink? What shirt do you think would look good on me? How's your day going? Do it anyway…
/r/seduction07/01/12 12:59 AM
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Yeah, once you talk to different women, you realize how different their personalities really are. If they don't match your type, you still get experience.
/r/seduction06/01/12 11:20 PM
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This. Make a game out of it. So you win by actually getting rejected. And you win by not getting rejected.
/r/seduction06/01/12 11:17 PM
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They could be two different ways to game girls depending on what your intent is. I've noticed the gentlemen way work better for LTR but Dark Triad work better for everything else lasting a few months or shorter. Didn't meant it in an extreme mood swing shift in the same day but for LTR add in some ego stuff every so often, argue for self-gain every so often and it'll turn her on again but you're mostly a gentleman. By gentleman - alpha still.
/r/seduction06/01/12 11:01 PM
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Which is why DHV is overrated (for most girls). Inner game is the most important.
/r/seduction06/01/12 10:34 PM
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Dark Triad is more towards flings, ONS though. I've strived to a Dark Triad/Gentlemen hybrid for LTR. Imagine if that guy above randomly gave flowers, randomly went on an adventure with his gf, randomly took "sunflowers" girl to somewhere special. For LTR, that wouldn't be bad. Doesn't have to be black/white.
/r/seduction06/01/12 10:31 PM
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Get a girl in SF, make her take you back to her place
/r/seduction06/01/12 10:25 PM
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Plan to meet in SF through BART perhaps? noticed the user
/r/seduction06/01/12 10:21 AM
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I'm interested. I've been seeing what works on OKC. If you've sent messages, what works best for increasing reply %? (Besides going for girls with the green dot)
/r/seduction06/01/12 09:33 AM
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Opening is extremely important of course. But I wouldn't say FULLY random. Certain models increase your chances for certain outcomes. It was already said somewhere else. Red light - girls no chance with (bf, not into your look, whatever) Yellow light - girls neutral Green light - girls already into you (DTF, fetish) Whatever model you use, you're trying to increase your chances with the "yellow light" girls. If you only approach and don't know how to do the other steps (with game or being a natu…
/r/seduction06/01/12 07:14 AM
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How to reconfigure your mindset to overcome AA (approach anxiety): http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/fgq0a/approach_anxiety_is_a_symptom_of_extreme/ I know how it feels. I took extremely small steps to combat it. What to do: Go up to 10 people and say "Hi." Don't worry about anything else for now. Just say hi, let them reply or you walk away. Then you'll realize, wait a second, I survived that even though I said hi.
/r/seduction06/01/12 07:06 AM
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I'll guess Miami? I don't think the girl rejected you there. She could've been away from computer for 2 hours. I don't trust IM much, I always ask for #. Should've texted her to confirm, so there's no uncertainty. Then text game from there. But no problem to move on. Daygame at the beach would be a cool FR to read.
/r/seduction06/01/12 05:27 AM
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Fair enough. I would've got contact anyways. What if her best friend is your type? If you were interested you'd share cool personal stories and make her do the same, ask where she's from, flirt, KINO, then # close. Hope it sounds simple now tl;dr: Get contact cause friend could be your type. Comfort, attract (KINO), # close.
/r/seduction06/01/12 03:44 AM
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Okay. Next time you go out: 1. Only interact with girls who are alone. If that means only 2-3 interactions, so be it. 2. Be direct, tell them why you went up to them (cool scarf, she is cute) 3. Turn the thinking off. That's it. Hoping for a FR3. Good luck
/r/seduction06/01/12 03:42 AM
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Love that opener! Nice FR
/r/seduction06/01/12 01:43 AM
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Go to sidebar. Under Guides: "MORE HERE" 6. KINO aka touching.
/r/seduction06/01/12 01:41 AM
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First if you can't stop thinking like 1-6, work on inner game first. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/gjqim/the_definitive_seddit_inner_game_collection/ Go to a mirror and say "I'm awesome." 1000 times. Tough constructive criticism: 1. Don't let people who DGAF bout you to affect what you do. 2. Fool is better than silent and frustrated. What are the chances she'll bump into you EVER again? 3. You're way ahead of yourself. 4. Approach faster, fail faster. 5/6. Rationalizing. Here's my …
/r/seduction06/01/12 01:40 AM
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What were the questions she asked? If it's about your major or school, that's fine. Talk bout that then branch it off to more personal things. If they asked about you personally, you're farther than you think. "So where do you come from?" for example.
/r/seduction06/01/12 01:23 AM
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I'm guessing you're in college. I've done many approaches randomly, quick compliments, got blown out by lesbians, got blown out after I called a friend the B-word, got blown out by asking girls out too soon, and here I am alive and doing well. I learned through those mistakes. Indirect: Girls love to talk. In college, go indirect (to prove you're different and to make sure you're not the creep label) Talk about anything. The boring class, the boring weather, her clothing, an opinion on your clot…
/r/seduction06/01/12 12:50 AM
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Then find those active, high value people by joining something.
/r/seduction06/01/12 12:37 AM
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I agree that it is the easiest game to run. Were the majority of your cold approaches in the bars or in the daytime? Or was there a good balance? Three strategies imo: 1. Social circle - start at attraction 2. Club/bar/night game - start at attraction (obviously people know what is going on) 3. Daygame - need to build comfort to get to attraction So why would someone even do daygame? Infinite access to all types of women you want, especially those who don't hit up the clubs and bars often. The p…
/r/seduction06/01/12 12:33 AM
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I wonder if that's associated with the study that says if you dress in red, you're seen as more attractive.
/r/seduction06/01/12 12:15 AM
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All good points. Feel is important because many people starting off will think "Oh no I'm reacting. This is bad." It's only bad if you only take negativity from the interaction. I know I'm a highly reactive person, so I tell myself how proud I am of myself for merely approaching if nothing else went well. Almost using that negative outcome for positive energy.
/r/seduction05/01/12 09:16 PM
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Moral: Express what you feel to give yourself a fighting chance. Let the girl decide. Don't decide against yourself by not speaking up. Not speaking up cost me, so express your right to feel.
/r/seduction05/01/12 08:56 PM
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then we text each other all morning When it comes to text game, minimalism is best. Less chance of hitting a dealbreaker like that whereas there's very little reward for actually getting something really positive from it. But yes amplify/ignore. The two best tools.
/r/seduction05/01/12 08:37 PM
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Fair enough since men are attracted to looks first and foremost (and will tolerate more crazy if the girl is hotter.)
/r/seduction05/01/12 08:28 PM
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Made a girl pay for me before by saying, "Look I could've worked at Walmart for 3 hours and got $30. So you owe me that now." She paid for my next meal. I gladly shared the food. So free meal, win-win.
/r/seduction05/01/12 10:56 AM
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The sentence wasn't meant in that way. I meant it in "let's go get other girls. I can do better." Yes, I wouldn't change it looking back. Great catalyst for learning about game.
/r/seduction05/01/12 10:20 AM
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Contrary to your every instinct as a PUA, develop an oneitis. You will worry about her losing interest, seeing other people, playing you, ignoring you, not getting texted/called back in a timely manner, or getting freind-zoned. The deeper the oneitis, the harder the fall, and the higher the ascension. Luckily I developed one-itis before I learned game well. Then after ridding the subjective value of that one-itis, I compared what I did wrong to what I was supposed to do (if I knew game). Then I …
/r/seduction05/01/12 09:37 AM
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Even if you were avg or "below" avg, social proof is powerful.
/r/seduction05/01/12 07:59 AM
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three games: night/club/bar game, daygame, and social circle game. Pick what works best.
/r/seduction05/01/12 07:57 AM
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Truth. However, OP has immense success. Everyone will use different types of game.
/r/seduction05/01/12 07:55 AM
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Thanks for clarifying. I totally agree. What I wanted to argue was the degree. For example, my ex liked my impulsivity a lot by trying to bed her at random times, making random adventures for the both of us yet I showed very little of the other traits. The difference in women: While most like the Dark Triad and mistake it for confidence/spontaneity, some will like the confidence (narcissism) aspect more and others will like the impulsivity (spontaneity) more. But yes most women are attracted to …
/r/seduction05/01/12 07:29 AM
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We end up at the bus stop and make out while we wait for the bus. Once inside the bus she barely talks, and she seems drunker, maybe she feels sick? LMR There's a saying that many of the girls you make out with don't put out at the end of the day because LMR occurs. Not always but there's a good portion. The best solution after splitting ways is indifference. Let her apologize. You shouldn't have replied so soon/so frequently, showing signs of one-itis. I wouldn't talk to her for a couple of mon…
/r/seduction05/01/12 07:18 AM
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So what's the main argument? You stated that women romanticize antisocial personality traits. So I was arguing that they do misinterpret the Dark Triad for confidence (especially romanticizing it).
/r/seduction05/01/12 06:37 AM
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I've had personal proof of it. Confidence - A sense of certainty in one's abilities, or a lack of emotional investment in the outcome of a situation. Women mistake the second one to be the first one. That's their misinterpretation. When you met someone at a club for a SNL/ONS you wouldn't know that. You'd see the first definition of confidence even if they're really Dark Triad. I've seen dark triad in women as well: lots of manipulators around.
/r/seduction05/01/12 06:22 AM
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Not all women are the same. I bet the majority LOVE the dark triad. But I've gotten a couple girlfriends by being passionate, spontaneous, a challenge. (With only 1 of the 3 dark triad traits) Ever consider some girls that have the dark triad as well? Dating assholes goes both ways. Agreeableness = the opposite of tension and challenge. Shows you're not confident enough to have your own stance. Women explain things in ways they do not understand. Why do so many of them say, "Just be yourself."
/r/seduction05/01/12 05:28 AM
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Sounds good, thanks for the replies
/r/seduction05/01/12 05:04 AM
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That sounds good that you worked from a fresh start then. Gives me confidence in my ability to build a network after college as well. Where did you meet the first few people from your main group currently?
/r/seduction05/01/12 04:58 AM
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I know you are, it works well in the real world too. Meant it as college game is mostly agreed to be social circle. It said recent college grad, so I figured you had some of that initial network from your college days.
/r/seduction05/01/12 04:50 AM
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No problem. Don't mind it if the girl isn't as attractive as you'd like or it's a guy. Keep chatting to folks to practice how you can stop them (when walking) and open cashiers, people idly standing, etc. If you continue indirect: From there, talk about one topic for a whole minute. Don't be afraid to speak the majority of this minute. "Hey so do you know where the nearest ____ is?" "No I'm from Australia" your awesome joke "Yeah, it would be cool to see Melbourne or Sydney soon enough, heard go…
/r/seduction05/01/12 04:47 AM
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Good exposure. My feedback after doing many approaches is use the area to help you. Ask about a certain store or building. The second girl was from Australia talk about that for a minute then spread it out to why she in NYC. Then attract from there by sharing your own travel stories. Polite KINO too. But be proud for testing the waters. Edge off your comfort zone. Try to find a daygame model you like and see if it works for you. Indirect can work but you need to have a vibe of not hitting on her…
/r/seduction05/01/12 02:12 AM
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College, I feel for the majority of people, making a great friend base (social circle game) works best. Party person or not, you can find HB within your friend's friends, other hangouts you go to (coffee areas, whatever else) Personally, I like meeting people 1 on 1 so to social proof myself, I work towards having more hobbies, things I do, and then do cold approaches. No need for DHV except dressing well and being confident. Everyone is a college student, so there's that to fall back on. (It's …
/r/seduction04/01/12 11:17 PM
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Yeah, heard that hosting parties works wonders. Seems like you use a very good social circle game (friends/networking). Good to see that works for you.
/r/seduction04/01/12 10:41 PM
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Not that small of a minority when you're into hipsters, at least in California. While some are into manly males, many like skinny guys with long hair.
/r/seduction04/01/12 10:30 PM
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Great story. am much more comfortable in different social settings. Social circle game? Daygame? Or common hobbies (like meetup)?
/r/seduction04/01/12 10:28 PM
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To be honest, I don't approach much at all in clubs More competition in the clubs, so approach more. Dance more. KINO quickly. I love daygame as well because you basically have no competition.
/r/seduction04/01/12 11:24 AM
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DHV is overdone in MM. Sure you need it if you want to pull the HB10 but most of the time, you could be somewhat interesting without that overkilling DHV and the girl will stay because you > boredom. Confidence and doing things differently is good enough for most girls.
/r/seduction04/01/12 09:05 AM
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Depends on you. Depends on daygame vs night/club game. Depends on the HB scale of the girl. Are you funny/direct and into daygame? Look up SashaPUA. Are you more about regular conversation --> approach, comfort, attract, validate in the daygame or clubs? Juggler Are you really attractive and into getting girls from the clubs into the bedroom as fast as possible? Mark Manson/Aaron Sleazy Are you into models that based themselves off MM and then attempt to improvise? Sinn Some models even contradi…
/r/seduction04/01/12 09:02 AM
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If you're into girls that like androgyny, it'll enhance your chances. Or those hipsters into thin dudes. Or artsy girls into more feminine males.
/r/seduction04/01/12 08:41 AM
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Does anyone think that just "going missing" for a while and avoiding the group might help? That's one possible solution, especially if you're far from any major city. But I'd try to meet women through cold approach. I know social proof and all that crap but I'm not really into social circle game anyways. Meet new women, tons out there.
/r/seduction03/01/12 10:07 PM
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And also the "princess complex" where they're waiting for the 10 while their own attraction level starts dipping.
/r/seduction03/01/12 10:02 PM
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I looked up Juggler videos and figured out the method in my mind. I listened to Sinn on his 21 convention lecture. Roosh has ebooks. Look it up on youtube or google. Cheers.
/r/seduction03/01/12 06:12 AM
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Wow, it's their bad if they want an ideal. Next indeed. I understand you want to get the best mate but for women the time is ticking to 30 years old.
/r/seduction03/01/12 06:12 AM
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Game exists by learning outlines. I've read up Juggler's method. Sinn's method. Roosh's method. etc. So many useful game techniques in their outlines. "Opening/comfort/attracting/validating" etc. Instead of feeding someone fish, you teach him the basics to getting fish for himself. Instead of telling someone what scripted line works, you teach him the tone/body language/flirting skills to create his own line in any situation.
/r/seduction03/01/12 03:05 AM
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That's an excuse to find something to blame. Find girls that don't care about it. I see girls with guys 1-3 inches shorter than them all the time roaming around cities.
/r/seduction03/01/12 02:24 AM
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Try it out anyways. If she tells you that you're awesome but you're not tall enough, next girl. Keep trying. You could go living and believing that your height is a handicap or you could get with a 5'10 girl who wants to be with a shorter guy.
/r/seduction03/01/12 02:22 AM
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Focus your energy on the women that do. This. I'm 5'8 but I know how it feels when you see a stunning 6'0 girl and you'd making up excuses to not talk to her. The point is try anyways. She could be the exception to the rule. Life isn't fair Are you going to mope around when that changes nothing? I see guys with girls 1-3 inches taller than them all the time. I wouldn't say go for a really tall girl but if there's someone only a couple inches taller, go for it. Wear boots with a slight heel if yo…
/r/seduction03/01/12 01:52 AM
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If you're into girls that are into androgyny you can use that to your advantage. Different types of girls are into different things.
/r/seduction03/01/12 01:50 AM
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Next girl.
/r/seduction03/01/12 01:36 AM
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I wasn't attracted to him at first but we had a great emotional connection Yet attraction overrides the bias sometimes.
/r/seduction03/01/12 01:24 AM
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In the school library, I decide to chat about a girl's zebra stripped red pants. I ask her what she's doing being a statue near the staircase. She is waiting for her girlfriend. After a minute of awkward conversation, her girlfriend comes up and they kiss. I was hitting on a lesbian. Then her girlfriend introduces herself and they're both looking towards one another like "oh man this is awkward" faces. And then they eject.
/r/seduction02/01/12 10:26 AM
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80% of the girls I date I meet doing activities. What activities do you do? I've approached about 50 girls ALL through direct or indirect daygame in the past few months! If you keep your natural conversation, leader, confident attitude, it'll be no problem. Approached like crazy just by being friendly. Basically, daygame is about going into a causal conversation from there to get comfort, more personal stuff to get attraction, with more polite KINO (high five, longer handshakes) and then getting…
/r/seduction02/01/12 09:33 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/a73gl/new_to_game_need_openers/c0g5tz7 How to open. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/e8haz/how_to_mesmerize_women_through_conversation_and/ How to create conversation. Read the sidebar. Daygame vs Clubs/Parties game is different also.
/r/seduction02/01/12 09:12 AM
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READ the sidebar material. http://www.reddit.com/r/sedditupgrade/comments/lcnlb/wiki_main_guides/ there is the main guide page. For conversation: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/e8haz/how_to_mesmerize_women_through_conversation_and/ Girls are everywhere. Come back when you've read more.
/r/seduction02/01/12 09:07 AM
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Textbook version of how you can make a friend zone into something more by having that girl and a new girl battle for your attention. Great FR
/r/seduction02/01/12 08:52 AM
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As long as you have a mild influx of women in your life If you accept rejection as a part of relationships, awkwardness as a part of cold approaching and DGAF, then you'll keep that influx steady.
/r/seduction02/01/12 08:39 AM
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Good point. I'll reply with: Think win-win vs win-lose or lose-win. You care about yourself first. But I remember where my friend noticed a girl responding to him well but then talking about all the crap in her life. So to him he decided that he wouldn't want anything sexual with her because her crap was too much for even a ONS. He understood that 1. he could get some but 2. it would leave her in worse shape in his opinion. He saw it as sortawin-lose, which isn't good enough for him. To each the…
/r/seduction02/01/12 07:02 AM
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Put your mark on the world. When was it wrong to start a conversation with someone? Humans will judge a cover by the book but if you are confident it can override many stereotypes. Understand that more attractive women are hit on more and looks are important. I'd rather be shallow than lie to myself that I'm good with a girl I'm not into. You're benefiting her. You're so awesome that just by talking to her you're making her life better. Provide value and 98% she will appreciate the conversation …
/r/seduction02/01/12 04:54 AM
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Those people don't deserve your time. Next club or bar. If it keeps happening in multiple venues, try to figure out what's happening. If not, then you're good.
/r/seduction02/01/12 02:02 AM
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Would do it but I'm on the other coast. Seddit could be your accountability. I demand 5 nice interactions on a FR this week, what do you say?
/r/seduction02/01/12 02:01 AM
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not sure. But it could be, the novel was really short
/r/seduction02/01/12 01:27 AM
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I am stuck on this girl bad. No matter how amazing she seems, talk to other women. Knowing that you can open and have abundance of women right at your control can reduce oneitis. To force yourself, give $20 to your friend and tell him to keep it until you chat up 10 different girls, something like that to force yourself to chat. I have high expectations as well but if they're not as cute, then chat like a friend would, talk about their clothing, the environment. You need to create your own inves…
/r/seduction01/01/12 11:53 PM
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First step is knowing 6 different opportunities. How to kill AA If you're stuck, the best way to up the ante is to hand some x amount of cash (I'd recommend $20+) to your friend and tell him to keep that money unless you get a date within a month. If you don't, he gets to keep the $. That way, you're forced to chat up with girls or see your hard earned money vanish. Or don't think and say, "Hi." Feels so awkward at first but once you realize you'll survive that, then it gets easier each time.
/r/seduction01/01/12 12:45 PM
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Game in class: Indirect. Talk about what she's wearing, how she is zoning out, bored, etc. If you have to, talk about the class. Then after a few minutes of building comfort, change the topics to a more personal place (where she likes to travel, what her hobbies are). Then go with the personal ancedotes stories flirting teasing. Your main goal is to make her ask about you to show interest/investment. Then continue with the personal rapport/teasing/KINO then ask for #close. Should only take 5-10 …
/r/seduction01/01/12 01:28 AM
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"Hi." Or if you really can't, go to your best friend. Give him $20. Tell him you'll get a date or talk to x amount of people in a month. If you do it, you get the $20 back. If you don't, then you've lost $20.
/r/seduction31/12/11 09:18 AM
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Basically, some will do best with assuming attraction. Others will do best with "it doesn't matter!" I either get a date or they lose out on the best guy they could've got with in their lifetime.
/r/seduction31/12/11 09:16 AM
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2 is the best external motivator if there was one. I recall handing my cousin $20 and saying, "If I don't get a date in a month, you keep it." I ended up approaching 20 women in that month and while I didn't get the date, I took so many more risks (basically approaching, chatting to strangers) than I ever had in my life up to that point. He was so impressed that he bought lunch for me to offset some of $20 loss.
/r/seduction31/12/11 07:54 AM
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Not currently. I go to SF a few times a month to hang out/daygame approaches. I'm out of town for college much of the month.
/r/seduction31/12/11 04:10 AM
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He wrote Zarathustra to get over Salome. That's how you use the power of foreveralone for good (by making a novel that has intense quotes).
/r/seduction30/12/11 09:05 AM
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Courteous nice guys That statement is loaded. I charmed my ex by being confident, assertive, and going for what I wanted. I made sure I wasn't a pushover, too needy, or giving too much affection. No need to be a douchebag to all types of women but you need to be: confident, assertive, non-reactive (to shit tests, outcomes, women's weird bs, anything out of the ordinary), and have the backbone to leave if she's too crazy or troubling
/r/seduction29/12/11 11:30 PM
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Try daygame in the OC. Yes it's suburbia and all that but wouldn't that work for your favor? Claremont seemed like a cool place to try that but that's just me.
/r/seduction29/12/11 11:21 PM
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Find one thing to talk about. An article of clothing, something you've been thinking about, or whatever and chat about that for a couple of minutes for comfort. Then you bridge it into a more interesting topic (travel, environmental) to begin attraction.
/r/seduction29/12/11 10:26 PM
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If you're into clubs. My friend tried daygame in Manila and it's almost taboo to speak to strangers.
/r/seduction29/12/11 10:11 PM
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I'll try out 100 approaches there and see for myself. Do you know what parts of SF he went to? If all else fails after much attempts, I could always drop by SFSU.
/r/seduction29/12/11 10:09 PM
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Big cities. Clubs, coffee shops, restaurants, transportation. Based on specific major city, explore each neighborhood. For example, San Francisco. (Generalizations obviously but for example sake) Valencia St. - hipsters Financial district - people working SOMA - All sorts of folks because it's downtown SFSU - all sorts of students Haight St. - hippies Japantown - folks into Japanese culture North Beach (little Italy) - people into cafes/wine/etc. Explore the city and notice the demographics. The…
/r/seduction29/12/11 09:43 AM
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I use some models as outlines and then fill in my own words depending on conversation, type of girl, environment, situation, etc. Models as outlines = you remember phases of what to do like opening, KINO, comfort, qualifying, attraction, escalation YET you get to add your own content within it. It's how you say it and how confident you are, not what you actually say.
/r/seduction29/12/11 06:44 AM
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You start by building comfort. Let's say you open her with her awesome scarf. "Hi, your scarf looks cool." "Thanks" "Yeah, I liked it because it had an awesome zebra pattern, was red, etc. You don't see that so often and girls who wear that seem to be the bold types. Etc etc etc" After another minute about scarves, change it up. "Yeah, I could probably wear a scarf like that when I travel to such and such in the summer" Then you talk bout travel (love it since 99.9% of girls like that topic) and…
/r/seduction29/12/11 04:41 AM
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Good insight. Start strong, lead the conversation/frame 80% then once she gets comfort, you make her talk more (60-70% is right) in order to invest and qualify to you. What did she talk to you about? Was there any KINO involved? Sexual tension within the context of the convo?
/r/seduction28/12/11 11:20 AM
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Keep your approach. Lets you build comfort easily. KINO seems to work with the movie implication afterwards. Take this advice optionally because not talking about sexual things but doing KINO adds even more tension cause it's not even being spoken about. Add teasing with some sexual innuendo and add more push/pull to escalate. You could also use backhanded compliments, personal teases once you get to know them well. "Once I got to know you, you're actually weirder than I thought." <Since you get…
/r/seduction28/12/11 09:06 AM
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Those funny themes bring more views in. (For proof, look up Sasha PUA where he does blatant direct daygame approaches (70k views in 5 months), whereas simplepickup has many videos in the hundreds of thousands within 1 month. (and starcraft one 1mil+)
/r/seduction28/12/11 08:30 AM
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Good author. I would say Art of Seduction but that's obviously too game related.
/r/seduction28/12/11 08:17 AM
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Not huge on clubs/bars either. I believed in this law of accelerating means socially as well. Make some friends, then they know people, then those people know people, etc.
/r/seduction28/12/11 05:56 AM
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The Stranger by Camus (Author), the former is analyzing the novel by another guy.
/r/seduction28/12/11 03:14 AM
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Concepts like Approaching/Comfort/KINO/Escalation/Attraction all help. Inner game like Confidence helps as well. It's good to keep in the back of my mind as a rough outline while interacting. The rest is about going out there and actually approaching.
/r/seduction28/12/11 03:12 AM
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The Stranger - Camus. -Makes you learn about outcome independence because the universe doesn't give a damn about what I do or don't do. So I should approach that HB at the bar, at the shop, at the bus stop, at the coffee house. If I fail, okay. If I am successful, okay.
/r/seduction28/12/11 02:58 AM
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Look at what approaching 1000 women did. Make out, seduced few women, crazy experiences. So? Make more crazy experiences. If they're too boring, too rude, etc., next person. I don't really tease, and I'm mainly good at building comfort. You need to tease more after comfort and/or KINO more or else more likely than not, friend zone. To make it more fun for you, do stuff with higher risk: direct approaches, more KINO quickly, etc. Rarely do I meet a girl that's down to earth and lady like, but whe…
/r/seduction28/12/11 02:28 AM
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This is love and life happily ever after, which is completely different from what Disney tells us. Oh man, tell me about it. Also Romantic Comedies.
/r/seduction27/12/11 10:29 AM
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Got a major case of oneitis with a particular redhead. She loved Psychology, had an epic sex life (fetishes matched), gothic victorian steampunk crap, etc. I was getting lucky by being condescending (she had daddy issues and was turned on by that) but then never took bigger risks. (Stopped at Stage 1 KINO, didn't know how to act when her friend was there.) Slowly, she lost interest. Few months later, she heads to other side of the states and ends up with a bf there (had his stuff together, whate…
/r/seduction27/12/11 10:24 AM
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-Sounds good. I remember doing that kind of stuff a few months back just to get approaches in. Whatever happened, happened. I remember seeing the huge smiles but they couldn't get their head to say yes. Basically, not enough comfort at that point. -Also, KINO. High fives/extended handshakes, etc. -Ask cashiers what they think of your selections (or even funnier, go to a women's clothing store and ask her the same thing.) Best to you.
/r/seduction27/12/11 09:53 AM
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"She gave me a huge smile and said thanks but sorry I have a bbq to go to with some friends" -When I went out and asked 10 girls out for coffee after only a minute of small talk, they had the same reaction as that. "Huge smile, thanks, but boyfriend or busy." -There's simply not enough comfort/rapport at that point. Keep practicing with small talk for a couple minutes, then chat for a few minutes about interesting personal stuff, then see if you can make her ask about you (shows investment, inte…
/r/seduction27/12/11 08:53 AM
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-Depends on what you want. Practice? Actual #-closes to turn into dates, etc.? Personally, I don't #-close with anyone I know I wouldn't want to ask out on another date. -If you feel she's the type to ONS, use more kino. Again depends on you. I'd rather have an emotional connection first, no matter what I end up doing.
/r/seduction27/12/11 02:19 AM
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You said it yourself. More comfort on your interaction. And more sexual tension invested with your kino. The hint is here: "snuggled up like couple" Less tension because they're snuggled up.
/r/seduction26/12/11 11:06 AM
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More confidence. At the worst: You're a story to the girl(s). "Whoa, some guy had the guts to talk to me, even if he was cool or creeper. At the best: Friends. Potentially introduce you to friend that you end up being attracted to. You got your practice in for those HB8+ in all cases.
/r/seduction25/12/11 11:58 PM
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Forgot where I saw it but good advice was for every hour of reading about game, you should take action for 5 hours to prevent over-abundance. Tl;dr: 5 hours of action for 1 hour of reading about game.
/r/seduction25/12/11 11:04 AM
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Is the shyness for all women? Start by talking to women you're not attracted to. Practice conversation skills with them (flirting, teasing, etc.) Be creative Look at the environment and comment about it. Comment about your lunch. Ask them about their necklace, scarf, clothing. Ask them directions. Comment about how she's cute and you had to come up to her. Almost anything works if you believe you're awesome and she's lucky that you talked to her.
/r/seduction25/12/11 10:09 AM
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Meant it as a comment above like if she is on shaky ground and you only want to hook up and she is interested. Everyone has their own morals. I argue this since my wing doesn't care.
/r/seduction25/12/11 05:42 AM
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Every person has their own set of morals when it comes to boyfriends. It's your decision. Personally, I continue the conversation with a joke, "Wow, you're telling me about your problems already?" Then continue talking, flirting, etc. for making a friend/practicing. Keep things good so you could hit up her hot friend if she has one. If the girl is way too hot and you have to try, ask her about her boyfriend situation. If she says it's "okay..." then you need to show her an amazing time. Give her…
/r/seduction25/12/11 01:41 AM
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Should've left your number then and there before you left or asked for hers. You won over the table with that Bones joke so you should be good. Besides, the mother is MIA.
/r/seduction23/12/11 09:29 AM
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