Gaming with mediocre looks

jackthehat6 · 2026-01-13T21:59:16+00:00

Yes confidence helps but still if she is not attracted to me even me being in my most confident days won't make enough difference

you have your answer.

Interestingly, even Jeffy from RSD pretty much admitted this recently (he said ''im not denying attraction has a floor especially on cold approach. Some girls just gonna price you out on sight (looks) and no amount of "game" will override that. '')

That's exactly what i've been saying for years! Although i'm sure 10 years ago jeffy would have said that was a 'limiting belief' as was a popular thing for coaches to say back then. Over a long enough timeline, everyone agrees with me in the end lol. No matter how adamant they were that I was wrong. I've always known that it was just a matter of time

In short, you just have to keep approaching and from time to time you will get the one you really want. But it's not about getting better and better 'game'. There is a very real ceiling. 'Game' isn't magic lol.

I don't mean that they are rude but I just can't get them to invest, they may talk with me cause I'm funny/have game but the actual interest does not really spark.

THEM girls don't think you are hot. you are wasting time trying to 'convert' them. It will never work. Even with 'pushpull!!

10 lays from game with the maximum being a couple of 7s (I'd say probably due to luck and quantity of approaches).

that's fine. They call it 'getting lucky' for a reason. I'ts the same for every guy. It's a numbers game. You get laid when you approach a gril who tihnks you are hot and yuou have enough 'game' to not mess up. That's the same for the guy with the best 'game' in the world

Matter_Still · 2026-01-14T08:37:27+00:00

You describe yourself like a used car salesman would pitch a 2022 Camry on a lot:

"This one has a 2.5L 4-cylinder engine, an 8-speed automatic transmission, All-Wheel Drive (AWD), and standard Toyota Safety Sense 2.5+. Expect around 30+ MPG."

Firm_Birthday_3364 · 2026-01-14T16:28:22+00:00

It’s pretty common knowledge that in sales you can’t turn a no into a yes, only a maybe can turn into a yes.

This is the same when it comes to game.

Even tho I heavily rely on game (about 15 lays all from real life no online) I still emphasise that looks matters, think of it as the packaging of a product: it catches the eye and makes people want to know more about it if it’s good while if it’s bad people skip over it.

For average/below average guys It’s pretty much mandatory to get in shape and be well groomed since it’s 100% in our control but even that reaches a cap.

One theory that me and my friends are testing out is to get niched down on an archetype that fits our lifestyle/personality to gain bonus points on a specific type of girls.

Some archetypes you can experiment with are:

bad boy/ biker
surfer
skater
old money
sports guy
jock
street guy/ criminal lol
magician
party boy
business man
cute nerd
vampire (think twilight/ vampire diaries no dracula shit)
emo/ goth
lumberjack

I am sure there are more but the point is to take a look at yourself and what makes you unique and interesting and exaggerate that part of you to appeal more to the girls who are into that type of guys.

Sometimes you need specific physical features to look the part and let’s be honest being handsome helps all of them, but if you don’t have that luck you can still pull it off and gain extra points that you wouldn’t otherwise.

The only issue with this is that is very polarising and while it might get you some girls you wouldn’t otherwise have gotten it can also turn off girls you would have otherwise gotten were you to have a more balanced and vanilla style.

I also believe this whole archetype strategy is domain dependent, meaning that there is a meta for every specific location: maybe in your city people who pull a lot are skaters and surfers since those hobbies and lifestyle might be popular there while in another city those guys might be seen as losers and the rough looking bad boys might pull all the baddies.

The truth is that most girls are looking for a guy to fill a specific role in their life (which they might or might not have consciously chosen) therefore if you look the part you are way more likely to get them.

When you adopt an archetype you are labelling yourself with all the stereotypes associated with that specific one so if she’s looking for an asshole that is a challenge to her and that she wants to tame and you look like one she will choose you while a girl who is looking for a funny party boy with whom she can have a blast and get crazy might not want to be with you if you look like the asshole

I hope this makes sense ahahah

Key-Proud · 2026-01-13T18:26:16+00:00

When you are approaching how much time occurs between sets?

DefeatTheUp · 2026-01-13T19:07:43+00:00

Confidence makes all the difference. Keep practicing! 💪"

Chicagoj1563 · 2026-01-13T21:02:35+00:00

Unless someone comes along who has done 5000 approaches, this is going to come down to you experimenting and figuring it out.

Is there any chance you are blaming your looks for lack of leveling up your game more?

What do you think the sticking point is? Is it possible it’s something other than your looks?

Do you think this is a negative mindset you have and you may be holding yourself back?

AssistTemporary8422 · 2026-01-14T20:23:32+00:00

Sadly looks do matter and they will affect your success rate. The best thing you can do is accept that fact and some women won't be into you. Rather than seeing it in terms of how attractive you are see it in terms of girls in your league and girls out of your league. Girls out of your league will always be tougher no matter how attractive you are.

ThatDarnSmell · 2026-01-13T20:41:25+00:00

No one cares about "lays." Focus on finding a woman you like for multiple qualities beyond looks. You're treating this like a video game and that's just not working out. Try to seek a greater connection and worry less about either of your looks. It sounds like you're rather robotic in these pursuits and the women you want are probably more turned off by your gamesmanship than your appearance.

PostAvailable9966 · 2026-01-13T18:38:16+00:00

Ah mate, you have mixed so much stuff here.

Some other points:

There is a quality ceiling, but it is a rough guideline. You might be her type and she will respond to you even if she is a 10.

Value in general is subjective (maybe 20%) for girls. After you build calibration trust that over her looks.

Investment especially after covid… fk it. Investment works when people can hold a conversation. My empirical evidence is not that.

So redefine investment as something more that her normal state. Investment can be if she listens to you attentively, or speaks a little more than her personality suggests.

Especially for Daygame (assuming direct), the attraction phase is short. If you open her and she is standing there after 30s to 1 min, she is interested. Usually they screen you fast.

In short it goes like this Reptilian brain says ok -> lets you run attraction -> you can dial down to comfort.

So if you reach the point of comfort have some faith you have done some things right.

Disclaimer: this only holds if you use intent (for example direct) to filter out non-interest. If you go indirect still use intent or strategic escalation to see where you are in the sequence.

Calibrate for your area. I have been to places where i would get rejected 7 times in a row and the 8th set is a 20min idate kiss close.

Usually the true metric of interest is lays. Dont bother too much on how many girls open or not (as long as there are numbers, dates and lays involved doen the line)

DinkyDash · 2026-01-15T01:05:10+00:00

You have a conversion rate of 1-2%. I would suspect game, confidence, sex appeal and sequel communication, as well as your inner game and internal frame might have more room to grow and max out than you think.

PostAvailable9966 · 2026-01-13T18:26:26+00:00

Your lay count is on the low end. Not catastrophic by any means, but it indicates hard that you are opening sets that you shouldn’t.

I will talk from Daygame, because… thats the only thing i know.

Assuming you can run the set and the date properly (solid assumption given 10 lays). I will focus on pre-approach and mentality.

For mentality: you need to build an input/output system.

Before you even open them, assess in your mind, how likely are they to open. Eventually you will build calibration to which girls work pragmatically, and for you specifically

Now to pre-approach. You can find sources for the signals of horniness. But for you maybe it is better to focus on IOIs.

Focus on which girls glance at you, which girls deliberately walk closer to you (coming opposite side if there is space).

This is not perfect or guarantee, but people naturally look things of value (glance) and never close distance with things that they dont like/disgust them.

Ideally, after a while the street wont be an open canvass, but something you can assess your success with every girl. Even if you can do this roughly, it will massive improve results in the long run.

RoutineInternet4224 · 2026-01-14T22:49:35+00:00

nobody cares, most people on this subreddit would deem themselves ugly. just talk to more girls. its all very simple. there is a girl out there who will find you hot

Title	Gaming with mediocre looks
Author	Terrible_Pay_4500
Upvotes	6
Comments	17
Date	January 13, 2026 5:46 PM UTC (7 months ago)
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