Have you ever been to a bootcamp?

TofuTofu · 2013-01-09T17:23:51+00:00

IMO take the money you spend on a bootcamp (say, $1500) and go have 30 $50 bar nights practicing and observing.

Or go on a couple vacations and sarge like you've never sarged before ("you'll never see these people again, etc.")

That being said, for those who have extraneous income, a bootcamp can be a very powerful tool. But do your research and be ready to put in hundreds of hours of work immediately following the bootcamp if you expect the improvements to last beyond the honeymoon period.

Feel free to message me anytime with questions about bootcamps or instructors. I've spent a lot of time in the field and have seen plenty of different instructors doing their things. I also know a lot of people who have gone through them.

I hope that helps you out!

Tenmagnet · 2013-01-09T20:17:17+00:00

As a guy who teaches bootcamps, here's the simple truth: it's very worthwhile for some people, and less worthwhile for others. Thankfully, at least with my company (Love Systems), it's a self-selecting bunch - the guys who take the classes tend overwhelmingly to be the guys who are situated to get the most benefit out of it.

The people who get the most value out of a bootcamp are the guys who just want to improve as much as possible in a limited amount of time, and move on with their lives. These guys value their time and don't want to spend hundreds of hours going out and learning via trial and error. They want a solution to their problem, and they are willing to pay to get their problem solved sooner rather than later. They don't want to be a "pick up artist" or even be too involved in the "community", they actually take a bootcamp so they can avoid that whole process, and get an area of their life handled.

Usually, these guys have their lives together, have a decent income (so their time is valuable) and want to fix a relatively small hole in their lifestyle. These guys learn quick, and get a lot of benefit out of the program right away.

The guys who are less situated to get good value out of a bootcamp are people who are looking for a magic pill to "fix" their lives, have deep seated attitude or emotional problems that are the real cause of their dating problems. That's not to say that we don't handle emotional problems though - overcoming fear and anxiety is a major part of what we teach, but the more specific your problems are to dating and women the more I can help, and the more generalized your problems the less likely a bootcamp will solve it.

Also, there's a opportunity cost thing going on. If you're 18 and broke, you have a lot of time and little money, and it makes more sense to "self study" even if that means slow progress. That's basically what I did, it took several years, was a ton of fun, and by going through the process myself I earned the credibility to teach this stuff.

But if you're 30, in a career, and looking to just build a good love life before you settle down, it doesn't make as much sense to spend several months of your life going out and bombing out of sets trying to learn what works.

Finally, one big advantage of bootcamps is that there is a ton of bad advice out there on the internet and going directly to a credible source can prevent you from wasting time trying to learn stuff that simply doesn't work at all. There are plenty of people out there who give advice but never put their money where their mouth is and show it working, but the companies that do bootcamps at least have to earn their credibility on a weekly basis.

pickup_sticks · 2013-01-09T18:14:27+00:00

A couple friends of mine did seven days straight in Vegas with RSD, but I think they got it for free or a super discount because they volunteered to help out somehow.

In that case they definitely got a lot out of it, but I think it's because they spent so much time there. A couple days is probably not enough.

FancyThief · 2013-01-09T18:53:00+00:00

I went to a bootcamp - Fort Benning, US Army.

There, I lived with demanding, wise cracking smart asses, who put me through all sorts of mental fuckery and physical scrutiny while exploiting my inherent human weaknesses to mold me into the person the wanted and get me to do things I normally wouldn't have. They made me feel adventurous, and instilled a new pride in myself. They got me trying new things, dangerous things. I was soon convinced, they were the cream of the crop; total alpha males. These captors were respected, admired and feared. Eventually, I came to like (maybe even love them a little) and I decided I would trust them, and stay with them for the long haul.

Coincidentally, this also seems to be "how you pick up girls."

TL;DR - Drill SGTs - ultimate PUAs.

PerfectAgent64 · 2013-01-09T20:47:54+00:00

Are there any bootcamps in particular that are really worth it or worth recommending?

ELite_Predator28 · 2013-01-12T06:56:15+00:00

YES. IT WAS IN BELLE GLADE FLORIDA. Hell on Earth does exist.

EvolutionTheory · 2013-01-09T15:51:57+00:00

Depends on where you go. Research the specific instructor extremely well. Don't just go with anyone from a company. Read extensive reviews on the instructor and the company.

Second, go with veterans. Make sure they've been doing it a while and the reviews show the guy is able to actually explain, teach, and demonstrate. If there is no in field demonstration, you are losing out quite a bit.

Make sure the boot camp includes infield training, at least two days or nights.

I'd suggest only doing one after you feel you have the basics down.

You could also try a few phone consultations first, or If you have the time and funding, do phone consultations with a couple different instructors you're considering to get a sense of how well they teach ahead of time.

You'll get out of it what you put into it. That's how this game works from the beginning. So if you learn the basics, research the company and instructor, find the right class for you, and work your ass off in the class then it can be worth it.

If you pay $2.5k and just show up without any research, don't pay attention in class, and don't do much in field, then maybe it's not worth it.

Title	Have you ever been to a bootcamp?
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Date	January 9, 2013 3:18 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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