Need help closing?

chumpta · 2011-01-25T18:44:44+00:00

Have you tried the naked man?

60% of the time, it works EVERYTIME

But seriously, Move in with Kino (physical contact) and escalate that until it becomes....clear

Delightful_White · 2011-01-25T23:32:51+00:00

turn the conversation from being friendly to actually flirting.

You should be flirting with her right away and initiating kino as soon as possible. When I approach and open a girl/group, I'll always touch their shoulder or upper arm. It's harmless kino and actually makes them more comfortable with you and willing to talk. I kino as soon as I approach and always keep the conversation playful and flirty. I like to tease the girls (about anything), or I'll give them "roles" to play ("oh, you're the goody-two-shoes, and you must be the bad girl. She seems like she's the mother hen, protecting her young"). Chicks eat that shit up.

TL;DR: Don't go from friendly to flirty. Thats weird. You should be in fun-and-flirty mode as soon as you approach the set.

PyouA · 2011-01-26T00:19:41+00:00

I had the exact same problem. I'll tell you my story and how I fixed it, hopefully some of this applies to you as well.

In college I started reading PUA stuff after my piece of shit friend managed to get a girl over me that we were both interested in. He was shorter than me, not as good looking as me or athletic and not as social. So I decided, fuck this, I'm just gonna get with a ton of girls while he gets with just this one. So I just started approaching girls everywhere...I'm a pretty social guy naturally so really it wasn't that tough for me to do this. I used some PUA stuff that was really important, like controlling the frame and blowing through shit-tests but other than that I was just myself. It went great. I actually became known as the guy who can get in and talk to any girl, I had a group of friends that would lurk in the background and just watch me do work until it was safe enough for them to come in and meet the group I was engaging.

I still wasn't getting much action though (I'd get lucky once every month or two). I couldn't understand it. I would just keep talking and talking and talking and it would go well, but then what was I supposed to say? "Let's go back to my place and fuck"? I can't do that.

So after a lot of hassle and experimentation I found that though I am social, I was at the time rather sexually inexperienced. Not horrible, I just only really have fling type of hook ups and as a result maybe have had sex 10 times with 6 different girls at this point. This was the first half of my problem. I had this huge aire of confidence, but deep down I was a bit hesitant to actually bring this girl back. I wanted to, don't get me wrong...but I would get nervous and maybe self-sabotage a little. This happens to a ton of people. I noticed the difference when I went to a bar with a good friend who gets laid like a rug and he would just stare at the girl with this shit-eating grin on his face knowing that he would just smash this girl into pure ectacsy. This is what I was missing. (And perhaps you).

So all in all I was being held back from two things.

First, I wasn't that sexually experienced and thus was a little nervous when things began to start going in that direction. The result is that the girl would pick up on this and then flake out. I wasn't putting out a confident sexual vibe out toward these girls. The second you look at a girl with just pure sexual confidence, they know right away. (Sometimes I'll imagine the girl masturbating to me, puts the cockiest smile on imaginable - but find what works for you).

This is fixed by getting laid more and being really cognizant of your attitudes toward sex with the girl in question.

Second, I was happy that being social was getting me talking to more girls than any of my friends without very much use of game. Even though this was true, not using game was preventing me from properly escalating (see Dicarlo escalation ladder and use that with a spoken escalation method - I use the one in Magic Bullets).

This is fixed by googling DiCarlo escalation ladder and reading one good pickup good. (Magic Bullets is my favorite, Mystery Method is okay as well, among others.)

These two changes have made a world of difference to me, I do quite well now. Being social and good with opening is a natural talent you have, now just integrate that with game, specifically escalation, and your good to go my man.

Good Luck.

seddit_thowaway · 2011-01-25T18:45:11+00:00

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unsexyMF · 2011-01-25T19:56:52+00:00

60 Years of Challenge - find a torrent somewhere. Highly, highly recommended. Also, try Practical Pickup. Both are very low on bullshit. IMO, stay away from RSD & Magic Bullets.

TofuTofu · 2011-01-26T00:28:41+00:00

RSD The Blueprint Decoded took me to the next level. Get the audio version (it's cheaper anyway) and put it on a portable mp3 player/your car/etc. Then you can listen to it wherever you go.

daygamer · 2011-01-26T03:47:52+00:00

I had this problem in many sets after I had been doing indirect bar game.

Your underlying problem isn't not knowing how to close, it's fear of rejection. Specifically fear of showing sexual intent and being rejected because of it.

When you open you don't fear rejection because you're going indirect and in so doing not making any sexual advances which can then be rejected by the girl.

I think the best way to overcome this is to start going direct instead of indirect in some of your sets. Go up to a girl and open her by telling her you thing she's gorgeous. This will in many cases prompt girls to reject your approach straight away (in clubs / bars sometimes harshly). If you do enough sets like this your fear of rejection will fade, and you'll also be more used to showing sexual intent. At that stag of you go back to opening indirectly I think you'll find escalating and closing happens much more easily.

Title	Need help closing?
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Date	January 25, 2011 6:02 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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