Seriously, how does Mystery pull this shit off? As an AFC, I don't get how what he does here works.

fragglemook · 2013-03-04T08:33:31+00:00

It might be an idea for you to read his books.

First and foremost, status is built into him from the start. He is noticably the focus of a film camera. This bumps his status up a little. He is peacocking his cowboy hat/bandana/various accessories which suggests he is someone high status enough who can carry it off.

He hasn't specifically targeted the female so it's not a cold approach. She gets his attention and opens him. "Hey!"....

00:28 He puts his fists up, faux-boxing her, as a means to disqualify himself so she doesn't think she is blatantly being hit on.

Not much of a shit test, probably just a continuation of her weak opener, she asks him why he is dressed the way he is. He doesn't give a serious answer. Instead he continues the ACS routine.

00:46 He denies her isolation at that point because there is an AMOG in the 2set that he must handle graciously to avoid a scene. He ascertains quickly that they don't know each other, so she is fair game.

"Introduce me to your friend..." He disarms the AMOG and simultaneously takes control of the group dynamic. The AMOG stands there not knowing what to do because he is clearly socially inexperienced.

00:51 "You have a lot of questions...", "You're lovely" pinches her cheeks(kino) - Here he bats down her shit testing interview and ramps up the intrigue by deflecting her question about the lipstick on his neck. At the same time, there is kino here, there is disqualification, his stance is loose and ambiguous like he might walk away at any moment, in constrast with the AMOG who is face on to her even though she is practically ignoring him.

01:05 "I was a police officer for sixteen years..." She is talking but he isn't totally focused on her, thus he is still qualifying her and she is trying to be qualified by talking about her prior occupation. Yes, the same shit that guys do.

01:38 "And... who are you?" (not what is your name) He holds her hand an extended period of time (kino escalation, as opposed to starting kino early on)and runs a routine based on his name. He imparts his high status as a stage performer and his social viability in that he has a bunch of friends who refer to him by his stage name.

01:53 "I'm curious about you.." He cuts her off to run another routine, this is called multi-threading and he goes from f-m qualification into a m-f qualification with his magic trick.

02:48 "We live in a world of social robots"(Fucking lol!! His game is hilarious) "We are elegant social robots" - here I suspect he is doing some framing a la Richard Bandler. But he is at least now getting ready to go into c-phase.

03:49 "Have you ever smoked a cigarette?" - a question most will answer yes to. "Would you like to join me outside for a cigarette?"...he is setting up isolation for c-phase.

04:12 "can you use your womanly wiles to get a cigarette?" He is sending her on a mission for a cig so she is invested in the interaction. They laugh about the whole thing and he kinos her again (escalation).

04:29 Takes his headphones off for a lock-in prop, qualifies her ("You're fun") and rewards her with a hug(kino escalation), pulling back "that's all you get", putting the prop on her head, kino escalation (check the kino ladder he just walked up from my parenthesised comments) and first kiss FOLLOWED by a walk off!

The smoothest deliberate game you will ever see.

edit: she was a cop for sixteen years, used to scrutinising behaviour, yet she didn't realise she was being gamed by the book.

frogma · 2013-03-04T04:33:58+00:00

Mystery himself is very good at his own method because he developed certain techniques and memorized them. Not too many people will be able to pull it off in the same way (and the community as a whole has kinda moved away from his style).

I only watched the very beginning, but even with that first girl:

She noticed his clothing (he was "peacocking," and it worked).
She basically gave him a "shit-test" by asking why he's wearing that goofy shit, and he says something like "Because it makes my mom happy" (not sure if that's actually what he said -- either way, it works). That's called "agree + amplify", where he agrees with the premise of her question, and then makes it even more ridiculous by insinuating that his mom picked out his clothes for him. But he does it in a confident/jokey way, so it works.

That's literally all I watched, and he was already using 2 things from Mystery Method. I'm not sure what your question is really asking though. This video's a half-hour long, so he's obviously doing a lot of different shit in it.

Like ThrowawayPUA said, Mystery's confident, he knows his own methods really well, he's tested them a lot so he knows they'll likely work, and that's basically it. If you're asking why certain methods tend to work, you'd have to point out some more specific things he did.

pickup_sticks · 2013-03-04T03:37:34+00:00

Well, for one thing it's obvious there's a camera there and he's the star of the show. That all by itself is intriguing.

But he's obviously very good at what he does. I didn't watch the video completely, but just by skipping around you can see he's:

Confident. Talks to girls and guys instead of holding up the wall
A leader. He takes their hands, hugs them etc
Builds comfort. At one point he's talking to a girl about social dynamics. Practically any discussion about relationships is like chick crack.

Edit: He also tells stories well. He makes the conversation interesting just by talking instead of turning it into a job interview.

dablac · 2013-03-04T22:43:58+00:00

He's got the level of practice/experience required to achieve a state of exceptional awareness to his external social environment which calibrates him to what's going on because 99.9% of the time he's seen it before, knows why it's happening the way it is and probably to an extent knows how it will turn out based on the actions he could take.

Note that everything I'm saying is conjecture/theory as I'm just not at that level yet. It makes sense to me though, which usually turns out to mean it's fairly accurate.

Anyway, practice is also probably the only real way to develop your own method/style (like mystery) rather than trying to take a style or combination of styles and make it work for you.

Mystery didn't even have the option to use other material from what I understand, so he had to decide for himself what he wanted to do, how to portray himself and which techniques worked best for him (or more importantly which he liked best, not sure how he made those choices).

The downside to developing your own style is that it's not even nearly as fast to get results while developing your own style/method because it involves making decisions about how to proceed at every step rather than just following the instructions from the material you have.

Regardless of his own choices, he ended up with superb situational calibration as a result of the massive amount of experience that he gained during this process of refining his method. I believe reaching that level of social calibration is predominantly due to putting in enough time and paying attention rather than actually doing anything in particular.

As I said, I'm not speaking from experience but the natural progression should be that it becomes less about knowing what to do at any time and more about knowing exactly what's happening (and to a degree what's going to happen) and being able to match your actions to the situation to achieve a result.

And that means you can do what ever you want as long as it's a match without having to worry about strategy or how the girl will react to what you're saying. It becomes you not you using game, pure personality.

Hope that makes sense to you guys, I wasn't planning on writing an essay today.

RandianHero · 2013-03-04T04:51:53+00:00

His shit's well rehearsed, to the point where it doesn't seem rehearsed anymore. That right there makes him confident. Confidence is attractive.

Thing is, he got there by kind of being a gigantic tool. He gave himself a stupid fucking nickname, which is about the douchiest thing a man can do. He dresses like a needy attention whore. He overanalyzes and uses incredibly creepy, dehumanizing nomenclature. He follows a set routine like he's rehearsing a script every single time. These are all unnecessary elements that he paints as integral parts of his game, which he then charges people money to learn.

Even if I wasn't already good with women, Markovic's hardly the kind of person I'd want teaching me anything.

ThrowawayPUA · 2013-03-04T03:52:15+00:00

LOL that is a great clip, I've seen it before. If you read his material, you can see a bunch of classic moves, like deflecting shit tests, using a prop (he puts his headphones on the girl and she follows him around), etc. In the middle of the tape around 10:30 he does the "pick a number from one to ten" routine, which any stage magician (like Mystery) knows as a "forced pick." The woman is impressed, and about 3 minutes later, they're making out in the middle of the party. And it goes on and on.

How he gets away with this: practice with hundreds of women, trying thousands of different ideas, seeing which ones work. Then he told lots of other guys and they tested it and refined the techniques, which became The Mystery Method.

You can do a lot of this stuff too. It just takes practice.

CollegeTownPUA · 2013-03-04T07:02:56+00:00

Thanks for posting this. This is a good clip.

Title	Seriously, how does Mystery pull this shit off? As an AFC, I don't get how what he does here works.
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