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What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?

1reason_thats_me

June 28, 2020

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I am a female who never makes the “moves.” I’ve only did it once, and I was very intoxicated. It was liberating for me, as I never am the one that makes the moves on the guy.

This time, I want to make moves on a “friend” I met through Tinder. He doesn’t know I want this, which turns me on even more, and I just want something casual, but I’m not sure what move would be best. I’m craving to do something very forward, like get on my knees lol. How do men react to something like that? Would it be uncomfortable for some of you for a woman to be so willing to do that, when she said you and her are just friends? I friend zoned him because he drinks often and I’m an alcoholic in recovery. I just can’t be in a serious relationship with someone who’s so enthusiastic about alcohol, and he fully understood and respects that.

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Title	What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?
Author	1reason_thats_me
Upvotes	6
Comments	43
Date	June 28, 2020 11:10 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]OrzhovPalatine 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

[–]1reason_thats_me[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]OrzhovPalatine 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

because that’s exactly how I feel when I guy wants me to act dominate, as I’m naturally submissive and shy.

This is something most people dont understand. We're both socialized differently so we react werid when we operate outside them.

For example I find it very off putting to be around masculine women because it's like dating myself. It feels more like a competition vs a relationship.

I always feel out of place when I have to change roles, but this time, I find it exciting to plan and have somewhat more control.

Like everything, in moderation. Been in both sides, been the passive dude and the more dominant one. If you constantly plan everything and have most of the control you will resent the guy later.

It's very much a tennis match, you hit the ball, he hits it back and vice versa.

[–]1reason_thats_me[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (21 children) | Copy Link

[–]OrzhovPalatine 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

[–]OrzhovPalatine 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Well then do you have to be 'symmetrical' to get these chicks?

I have a system yes but it has to be flexible and open to adjustments on the fly.

Do you also compete ruthlessly

Yes, competition has degrees of ruthlessness. It's near impossible to avoid. I simply try to make it as quick as possible.

do you show-off with your presentation

Less is more. I learned early the best way to get something is to not seek it.

do you exclude "low value" human beings, and pretend you are elitist with 'great credentials' and whatnot?

Nope, I started there afterall. I always take great interest in helping others figure this game out because I resent the "elitists".

If so, you don't get my respect

I have no control over your opinion of me thus I shrug.

You'd only be contributing to the same problem that creates very bitter, angry, unbalanced men,

Oh you're not wrong, early days when I was learning I most def contributed to the problem. I only reconsidered because I noticed the girls I fucked over would bring that baggage to the next guy she dated and she would fuck that guy over and he would bring that to the next girl and the cycle would continue.

Thus I always stress "leave them better than you found them".

Surely there must be another way to attract decent women, which doesn't augment the disturbed traits of mainstream society.

There are but they're slow and inefficient. I always tell people who disagree with my method that if you want a more "nice" method you have to introduce it and it has to actually work for people.

Theres a couple of guys that teach a more "polite" method but its ultimately ineffective and their numbers show.

My philosophy as always been to just dangle you over the abyss and look at it so you know exactly how extreme it can go. Then pull you back to where you're comfortable.

If you've seen the abyss you know exactly where your border is and when you're starting to go there.

Yes some guys go into the abyss and stay there but IMO its important to see it so you recognize it when you're going there.

which doesn't augment the disturbed traits of mainstream society.

The "disturbed traits" are effective, not that complicated.

As I said before if you find it distasteful you need to offer an alternative that works. Moralizing over it wont do anything.

[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

Well you offer a lot of detail but I feel our wires got crossed in some places.

I'm very literalist and you have me confused on some things; you have to be more specific about what you're talking about, going forward, but no disrespect.

Now we started off as talking about attractive women often found in yoga pants (which I called, half-seriously, "yuppies" because it's a stereotype.) I was saying if you are able to "get" this type of chick, probably you're a guy with relatively "high status" because these women are themselves "high status" due to their looks, high-maintenance, and their own prissy attitude (often, but not always.) Hence, my point about symmetry.

I was saying if you're able to pull this off, good for you, but I'm envious and bitter. Because you're playing a game that only works for "men who have status" and, it goes without saying, many men do not have status. The typical reason for that deficit is a lack of social skills, or a lack of social circle. Then you get to the extreme cases like me--I'm an autistic guy, not young, no career--who don't even exist on the status scale. Not only do I lack social wits to begin with, I couldn't maintain a social circle if I tried. And of course, my disadvantage of "great social difficulty" means I've been unable to have a career which is--once again--highly dependent on social function.

Hence "desires cool woman" but "has zero ability/chance to attract them." Therefore... envious/bitter.

So is there any way for a disadvantaged man with virtually no status, to find a half-decent woman?

I'm looking for an approach that could work for an average-looking guy like me, Caucasian, 5'9" height, but also a stone-cold autistic loser.

In other words, Game without the materialist/social-status aspects. That's what I'm looking for. I guess that means Night Game is out and probably means social circle game is out, and then Online Game is probably also out since status below a certain point--won't work in the most shallow game of all, which is online, let alone the fact that I'm only average-looking.

I'm not sure what else is left. If you have any suggestion, hopefully it won't be "Escort Game." Not like I need to hear that one again...

[–]OrzhovPalatine 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

if you are able to "get" this type of chick, probably you're a guy with relatively "high status" because these women are themselves "high status" due to their looks, high-maintenance, and their own prissy attitude (often, but not always.) Hence, my point about symmetry.

I always assume all women think they're high status. I actually downplay my status and use it more indirectly.

I was saying if you're able to pull this off, good for you, but I'm envious and bitter. Because you're playing a game that only works for "men who have status" and, it goes without saying, many men do not have status.

Being able to admit to your own flaw is a good trait that will serve you well in the future. I actually had to make a downgrade in my socioeconomic status to finally learn how to deal with women.

Then you get to the extreme cases like me--I'm an autistic guy, not young, no career--who don't even exist on the status scale.

Not gonna BS but that's a shitty hand of cards to start with. Like with anything though you have to play with what you have.

Not only do I lack social wits to begin with, I couldn't maintain a social circle if I tried.

Social wits are mandatory. It's simply unavoidable, even introverts need to be able to recognize social cues despite not partaking.

And of course, my disadvantage of "great social difficulty" means I've been unable to have a career which is--once again--highly dependent on social function.

I used to work in tech and had plenty of socially illiterate guys around me. Many guys dont understand that your career itself isnt attractive but rather the vibe you put out because of it.

Hence "desires cool woman" but "has zero ability/chance to attract them." Therefore... envious/bitter.

Presently yes you have zero ability to attract them but you need to start to do the work to do it. However you have a inner monologue that tells you it's not impossible because or your flaws. What you should be doing is figured out how to play around the flaws.

So is there any way for a disadvantaged man with virtually no status, to find a half-decent woman?

Yeah learn to play your cards instead of lamenting over them. No one starts this game equal, play to your strengths, make up for your weaknesses.

I'm looking for an approach that could work for an average-looking guy like me, Caucasian, 5'9" height, but also a stone-cold autistic loser.

I'm a 5'8 slim asian guy, statistically I'm bottom of barrel. Your immediate problem isnt so much surface level, it's more of your defeatist mindset.

In other words, Game without the materialist/social-status aspects.

Not possible. A girl has to perceive you as better than her in whatever way she defines it. This is important in the attraction process.

You're simply taking the status aspects too literal. Bum guys who dont have a pot to piss in are still getting women and it's not because they have status.

They have a vibe that's attractive to women because generally bum dudes dont give a fuck and it's hot to women.

To square dudes like you and myself we have to learn how to create that vibe and the bum dude isnt going to be able to teach us because it's his natural state.

Night Game is out and probably means social circle game is out,

Night game is only warm ups, it's not effective but good for foundation building. Social circle game wont be something for you obviously.

Online Game is probably also out since status below a certain point

Online dating requires excellent surface level attractiveness as it relies on your photo taking skills and physical looks and nothing else.

I'm not sure what else is left. If you have any suggestion, hopefully it won't be "Escort Game." Not like I need to hear that one again...

As I said before your issue is your lack of belief. You have a shitty hand but instead of playing with it you basically just give up and tell yourself it's your shitty hand's fault.

You're going to have to learn how to play with the shitty hand. You're average looking, so what just means you cant rely on your looks. You lack social skills, better learn some social skills. Career isnt what youd like better figure it out.

You gotta take part in your own rescue. I can diagnose you and give you suggestions but you have to actually want to do the work.

Presently you need to build up that self esteem. Stop giving yourself excuses to fail.

Which means yes going into the field after the lockdown is over and interacting and fucking up.

Sink or swim basically. You can read and study as much as you like but eventually you will have to take the field and test.

[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

What a thorough reply. And you make things very clear this time--so, props.

Social wits are mandatory. It's simply unavoidable, even introverts need to be able to recognize social cues despite not partaking.

Define social wits, then. I don't need a novel, but just what the concept means to you. Did you have to learn or was it more inherent, for you?

Presently yes you have zero ability to attract them but you need to start to do the work to do it. However you have a inner monologue that tells you it's impossible because of your flaws. What you should be doing is figure out how to play around the flaws.

But too many flaws means too few chances, does it not? High risk for embarrasment and loss of self-esteem if you actually fight for it.

This is basically the problem that autistic men go up against. They have a disadvantage and at the same time, uniquely ill-equipped to deal with the way society doesn't give a crap. Women mostly just fool around/play with them, and reject these guys mercilessly. The aggravation is not worth it, going by their own words. At any rate, that's what I've seen a lot of autistic guys say online (check Aspergers forum, if you don't believe me.)

Now I'm not sure if that's more of an "autistic incel" thing, or the fact that they are sensitive autistic guys. Autism does indeed damage stress-resistance, greatly, relative to normal controls--that much is true.

How would someone like me weather that storm? To me it looks beyond terrible, to go through that, to get a high likelihood of total rejection in the end.

To square dudes like you and myself we have to learn how to create that vibe and the bum dude isnt going to be able to teach us because it's his natural state.

You got any ideas? Even hacks are game for me.

Presently you need to build up that self esteem.

Self-esteem building for someone who feels more stressed with social encounters (with group situations usually being painful), someone who has quite a few imbalances in learning and attention and therefore does not pick-up new skills easily, someone who hates being the center of attention or in charge of anything. How would it happen?

I mean I agree. It's clear my self-esteem is dirt, I compare myself to other attractive/successful folks constantly. Just taking a walk down the street, I get insecure around the way young/attractive woman will look down and avoid me most of the time. And I notice the way Shad cleans-up with women--by comparsion it's like my genetics are totally inferior. So it's obvious that I have low self-esteem, but the paths to building it are quite rocky if not blocked...

[–]OrzhovPalatine 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Define social wits, then. I don't need a novel, but just what the concept means to you. Did you have to learn or was it more inherent, for you?

Knowing when a girl is not feeling you and feeling you without asking her. I'm an extrovert so I already had an understanding of social cues but women confused me until I figured them out.

But too many flaws means too few chances, does it not? High risk for embarrasment and loss of self-esteem if you actually fight for it.

Flaws limit your dating pool but you cant avoid it. All you can do is fix it or operate around it. Theres always risk for embarrassment, you'll never get good at this of tlyou dont risk it.

This is basically the problem that autistic men go up against. They have a disadvantage and at the same time, uniquely ill-equipped to deal with the way society doesn't give a crap. Women mostly just fool around/play with them, and reject these guys mercilessly. The aggravation is not worth it, going by their own words. At any rate, that's what I've seen a lot of autistic guys say online (check Aspergers forum, if you don't believe me.)

So what? Notice how you cited other guys but not your own experience? I'm going to assume you havent tried yourself.

How would someone like me weather that storm? To me it looks beyond terrible, to go through that, to get a high likelihood of total rejection in the end.

You grow a thicker skin. Yes that means lots of rejection and suffering. The problem most guys have is they're afraid of going through it. You have because the suffering forms a frame of reference for you.

You got any ideas? Even hacks are game for me.

You have to just have to suck it up and start cold approaching. You need to get rid of your approach anxiety and mindset.

Bare in mind the cold approaches will not bare fruit. Majority of the girls will say no however dont despair as the point of doing the approaches is to get you used to being around women and rid you of your approach anxiety.

Self-esteem building for someone who feels more stressed with social encounters (with group situations usually being painful), someone who has quite a few imbalances in learning and attention and therefore does not pick-up new skills easily, someone who hates being the center of attention or in charge of anything. How would it happen?

Has to or you'll starve. Your other option is what you've been doing up to this point. You have to take part in your own rescue.

I mean I agree. It's clear my self-esteem is dirt, I compare myself to other attractive/successful folks constantly. Just taking a walk down the street, I get insecure around the way young/attractive woman will look down and avoid me most of the time. And I notice the way Shad cleans-up with women--by comparsion it's like my genetics are totally inferior. So it's obvious that I have low self-esteem, but the paths to building it are quite rocky if not blocked...

Most def rocky but not blocked. The only blocks are the ones you allow into your head. Give yourself room to fail and grow. There will be great suffering on this road but it will harden and better you.

[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Just out of curiosity, what do you think of this:

The dating ‘marketplace’ is full of men who want sex, and a lower number of women who want sex and who tend to think 90% of said men are unattractive. This isn’t an opinion; it’s a statistical reality. It’s not equal and simple. It’s not like wanting to play a sport, and then just stumbling upon leagues of other people who like playing that sport. You need to have very high value or some kind of vigorous strategy. You can’t just walk around asking women if they want to have sex — they don’t. How do you see this as a casual thing that one can navigate easily? Most women are disgusted by high-libido men. If you propose sex with even someone you get along with, there is a very high chance that they will not only reject such a thing, but socially shun you for thinking about it. Men and women are very different. If a woman — even a very unattractive woman who I’ve never met — were to tell me that she wanted to have sex with me, at best, I’d say ‘yes’, and, at worst, I’d decline, but be very flattered and partial towards that person. This isn’t how women see it. It’s not special or endearing to them; it’s creepy and irritating.

This was written by another autistic man. I'm not sure if it seems more "incel" or more just realistic.

[–]OrzhovPalatine1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The dating ‘marketplace’ is full of men who want sex, and a lower number of women who want sex and who tend to think 90% of said men are unattractive

Somewhat correct, supply of dick is high, demand is low. It's not that theres less women who want sex, it's that women have the luxury to be more picky because the supply of guys is high and the demand is low.

You need to have very high value or some kind of vigorous strategy.

Yep

You can’t just walk around asking women if they want to have sex — they don’t.

You can if your value is high enough. Most wont though

Most women are disgusted by high-libido men. If you propose sex with even someone you get along with, there is a very high chance that they will not only reject such a thing, but socially shun you for thinking about it.

Only if she wasnt attracted to you in the first place. If a girl is attracted to you she will give you a wide birth and overlook many things.

Men and women are very different. If a woman — even a very unattractive woman who I’ve never met — were to tell me that she wanted to have sex with me, at best, I’d say ‘yes’, and, at worst, I’d decline, but be very flattered and partial towards that person. This isn’t how women see it. It’s not special or endearing to them; it’s creepy and irritating.

Incorrect, it's only creepy and irritating if shes unattracted to you. Woman generally view sex as not something given freely because they dont want to be perceived as easy and they lowkey know once we get sex we leave because girls are no longer socialized and taught how to keep a guy.

A girl can get sex whenever for the most part but that's not what she wants. She wants to fuck one dude who she "connects" with on an emotional scale and then physical.

I'm not sure if it seems more "incel" or more just realistic.

If it was incel he'd be discussing surface looks and what to get. Overall it attempts to be realistic but lacks understanding of the woman's portion in the game.

[–]Aeon1991 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

So I was last here 6 days ago. (Forgive me if I'm very lagged/inconsistent, I pushed myself to limit time on this account because I've dealt with a lot of negativity from it before, etc.)

and they lowkey know once we get sex we leave because girls are no longer socialized and taught how to keep a guy.

If I may then ask, what are they being taught these days? I've inferred that whatever is being "commonly taught", traits like humility and open-mindedness (a willingness to decide for oneself, as opposed to group-think based entirely on their social circle) are not among them.

A girl can get sex whenever for the most part but that's not what she wants. She wants to fuck one dude who she "connects" with on an emotional scale and then physical.

Hopefully this does not preclude losers, then?

[–]OrzhovPalatine1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If I may then ask, what are they being taught these days? I've inferred that whatever is being "commonly taught", traits like humility and open-mindedness (a willingness to decide for oneself, as opposed to group-think based entirely on their social circle) are not among them.

Not humility or open mindlessness. The only thing being taught is the whole "you can have it all". Basically you can have your cake, eat it too and theres no consequences.

Add in the illusion of infinite choice via online dating you get a woman who is spoiled for choice. The problem with infinite choice is you have little incentive to improve yourself or learn from any of your error.

Your average guy doesnt have as many opportunities for sex/romance for he will take time to examine what he did wrong and do better the next woman he meets.

This is reverse for many women. They have more opportunities for romance and if one fails they have no incentive to examine what they did incorrectly as theres another person waiting for them.

Eventually a woman will learn "humility" and "openmindness" but only during times where she is in a dating drought.

However if you understand this you can the best of the situation.

Hopefully this does not preclude losers, then?

If she perceives you as a loser then she's not fucking you. Other men can perceive you as a loser but she cannot if you wish to attract her.

If you feel like a loser it will affect your body language and voice tone. Girls pick up on this vibe and it will repel them.

In the short term you can learn how to fake "confidence" but at some point you need to be able to naturally have it.

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Sorry if it sounds taboo, man, but I checked a bit of your recent post history. It sounds as if you became a club promoter at some point and you found this position really opened things up a bit--not particularly surprising, "good for you" and all, but realize this kind of thing or its equivalent is not attainable for just anyone.

It seems you've pivoted away from suggesting "approaches" to social circle game, and the like.

I'm just saying, I'm not sure if you're really aware of the limitations of being a more solitary autistic guy, and the great number of routes in the Game which are blocked because of it. If you know some awkward or autistic guys who still found cool woman--without relying on career status--then maybe you have some foundation to build on, from that.

We're not working with much here. Nonetheless I'd be curious to know what kind of things you would suggest for someone starting in this, a real ne'er-do-well type, etc. The idea here is not to ask for a big investment of your time, but just to bounce some halfway-realistic ideas around.

[–]OrzhovPalatine2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Sorry if it sounds taboo, man, but I checked a bit of your recent post history. It sounds as if you became a club promoter at some point and you found this position really opened things up a bit--not particularly surprising, "good for you" and all, but realize this kind of thing or its equivalent is not attainable for just anyone.

Its not but I still started like anyone else. The club promoter position simply gave me my epiphany. And made me realize I was working harder than I needed to.

It seems you've pivoted away from suggesting "approaches" to social circle game, and the like.

Long term objective yes I stress to guys they should just focus on their own goals and the women will show up but everyone starts (myself included) with cold approach as you cant get to indirect game/IOIs without learning the basics.

Social circle game isn't what I do, that still requires cosplaying I dislike. I rely on my social proof and pre-selection that I've gained doing what I was already doing. It's not my career status that attracts women, it's the vibe I have because of my career.

I'm just saying, I'm not sure if you're really aware of the limitations of being a more solitary autistic guy, and the great number of routes in the Game which are blocked because of it. If you know some awkward or autistic guys who still found cool woman--without relying on career status--then maybe you have some foundation to build on, from that.

I'm aware of limitations but I disregard them as its defeatist. Even if there are actual physical barriers in your mind there shouldn't be as that puts you in the correct mindset.

Again your career status isnt what women find attractive, it's the traits and have because of it. Also you're just starting out so baby steps.

I know awkward and handicapped guys who found women but the awkward guys removed their awkwardness and the handicapped guys played around their handicap.

The thing they had in common: their belief system. They started with "woe is me" and making excuses but over time with a few wins they realized they could do this.

We're not working with much here. Nonetheless I'd be curious to know what kind of things you would suggest for someone starting in this, a real ne'er-do-well type, etc. The idea here is not to ask for a big investment of your time, but just to bounce some halfway-realistic ideas around.

Like anyone starting out, you parrot a guy who has what you want. You take notes on what he seems to be doing and understand why it works.

All the while you start to cold approach women not to ask out but just to start conversation with. You have to get accustomed to being around women and desensitize yourself.

The more you cold approach and get enough positive respones you will start to experiment more. You will get majority negative responses but if you can get over that youre be fine.

Your main issue as with us all is you will have to figure out ways to work around your flaws/stress your strengths. You will figure this out the more you're in the field experimenting in real time.

That's what you do in the short term.

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Haha okay 😂 I guess that’s why it throws off guys when I have been the one who asked them out first (back then, when I was younger). They would always act “thrown off,” and I’ve never had a guy accept my proposal for a date, out of the three times I have asked first.

Last time I asked out a guy, I actually got his number, but he ended up “ghosting me” on the night we were supposed to meet. I told myself that would be my last time I do that lol; it just never works for some reason. But to be fair, I didn’t ask him out on a date, I told him me and some friends are having a small get-together at a bar, to celebrate my last day at the place we worked at. So he assumed it was a party, when it was just me and a friend. I felt like that “gathering” type of setting would make him feel more comfortable, but I wonder if the outcome would have been different, if I just asked to hang out with him one-one-one.

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I don’t want a relationship right now lol. This forum is called seduction, and yes I never make moves, but this is the one time I want to, for someone who I can’t be in a relationship with anyway due to lifestyle differences. Just wanted to hear how to go about with making moves as a woman, and what men like. Sounds like I might get rejected since commenters on here are set on how women should never make the moves first, but I guess I’ll take my chances lol. Women like casual sex sometimes too. I don’t want to have sex with someone date potential, because I really want to see if they like me for me. With this guy, it doesn’t really matter and he’s got took the time to know me for just nothing, so I built trust with him.

However, do you think having sex would complicate the message?

[–]Gloomy-Jicama 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]1reason_thats_me[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link