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White House released a “National Strategy on Gender Equity and Equality”. Not surprisingly there is nothing about men’s issues

Algoresball

October 25, 2021
158 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/10/22/fact-sheet-national-strategy-on-gender-equity-and-equality/
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Title White House released a “National Strategy on Gender Equity and Equality”. Not surprisingly there is nothing about men’s issues
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Algoresball

Upvotes 158
Comments 16
Date October 25, 2021 5:21 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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[–]TAMU_TIX_Throwaway 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Work to advance gender equity and equality in the law and ensure that rights on paper are fully implemented in practice.  

Hahahahahahaha. Get the fuck out of here with this. How about you crack the whip on the office of civil rights to start doing anything about flagrant violations? Half of your population is having massive educational issues and you decide that focusing on the other half that is currently dominating higher education by massive margins?

OCR dismissed a case I filed where a program described participants at an event as "all-female." They said gender based words in the name or description are allowed and anyone could technically apply which means it wasn't discrimination. I'm 95% sure they didn't even read any of the cases that OCR uses to justify this general rule. I couldn't find any reference to any case law in their statements and documents to support this. The only ones they reference do not support this conclusion.

Case law has only established that a description is allowed to use gender based words when it describes legal content. Like "mens basketball team" or "this course studies the writings of women during suffrage and their lived experience." It doesn't cover when the description, if true, describes illegal content. It's not a fucking free pass. I have not seen OCR reference any case law that supports using discriminatory language to describe participants when that discrimination would be illegal in practice. I can not fathom that civil rights law could be reasonably interpreted to allow this or that any case law supports it.

I filed an appeal and said case law and previous statements don't support the justification for dismissal, along with a big breakdown of why.

I literally see courses that are for credit at schools that explicitly say anyone can attend but it will focus on helping women. Yet if a course actually did that, it would technically be illegal. A description of illegal content can not be considered legal so long as it is incorrect. If we accept that anything can be a description as long as it is inaccurate, then we invite a myriad of legal issues and horrendous behavior while opening easy loopholes for avoiding civil rights law.

If you are in the USA and aren't filing Title IX complaints federally with OCR and instead sit around and bitch, you are doing it wrong. It is free to file with OCR and you are not required to have an attorney. It takes a lot of people filing to send a strong message and force a big ruling.

how to file

[–]Algoresball[S] 53 points54 points55 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It frustrating how the many issues that men face are never included in these things. I’m not opposed to making the work and other things safer for women, I don’t think many people are opposed to that. But when not one male issues is included In this what are we supposed to think? Are we not supposed to think that our society values women more than men? They talk about “health” without addressing that men’s life expectancy is so much lower. They talk about education without addressing the massive education gap.

[–]Visulas 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Only a vocal minority are opposed to it. And why a lot of them are opposed I think is more complicated than simple hate. It’s easy to see why the concept of improving things for others can be a sore point when things like this happen. Any good relationship is reciprocal, and unfortunately supporting women’s issues is (currently) an all-take no-give relationship for men. Unfortunately, there is a real belief that addressing the opposite gender’s issue devalues each gender’s efforts in their own domain, and until that is addressed we’ll see a lot more of this.

[–]BornLearningDisabled 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The establishment could offer world peace, and we still ought to oppose them just on principle. It's not theirs to give. If you ever find yourself on the same side as Google or Amazon, you'd better rethink your position, and if you're not in conflict with them already, you'd better find a way to bring yourself into conflict.

[–]Harry_Teak 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sorry lads. The equation is (men are oppressors) + (oppressors can't be oppressed) X (political suicide to suggest otherwise).

The issue of men's rights has been firmly placed on the 'alt-right' shelf and it's going to stay there for a very long time I'm afraid.

[–]DouglasWallace 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Every time I come across someone who says men's rights is an "alt-right" movement, or such crap I ignore all else they have ranted about and ask this one question:

Are you saying that it is not one of the most defining things about the left-wing, that they want equality?

[–]Harry_Teak 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are correct. Unfortunately, the idea that men should have rights too flies in the face of the feminist narrative that men rule the world and women are oppressed because of this. If the oppressor can't be oppressed, men are just mad and even the most valid points can be dismissed and the topic of 'fragile masculinity' gets tossed around.

It certainly doesn't help that 'male' spaces on the internet are chock full of incels, MGTOW types, and generally sad bastards who seem to think that fascism is the cure for their eternal case of dry dick. These are the guys who know the basic plot to The Handmaid's Tale but haven't actually seen the show and don't understand that in Gilead they'd be in the same jam as they are now, or worse.

It's just too easy to cite examples from the He-Man Woman Hater's Club to dismiss men's actual concerns.

[–]BornLearningDisabled 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would help if the left didn't cheer every time some multinational corporation fired someone for a facebook comment.

[–]DouglasWallace 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those in the USA need to write to their federal senators and representatives and ask WHY there is nothing about men's issues in that White House document.

Start making it clear that it matters.

[–]UnHope20 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Joe Biden has been undermining men since forever. He's a grifter and a pathological liar. He is NOT a member of the left.

He is a tool of woke capitalism.

[–]BornLearningDisabled 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's certainly not a member of the alt right or free market libertarians. Woke capitalism, spending money on women's issues, is just socialism. Not your socialism maybe, but socialism none the less. There are a million ways to spend money. Only one way to say no.

[–]asparaguswalrus683 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Stopped reading once I saw “intersectional approach”

[–]Interesting_Doubt_17 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

IKR! It is basically this: "Let's talk about intersectionality until/unless it's about black men or queer men" for example.

[–]BornLearningDisabled 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or even poor women. Have you ever heard an intersectionalist university professor use the term "class privilege"? It's certainly not on wikipedia.

[–]StarZax 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Would have been a huge surprise otherwise

[–]reddut_gang 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There we go. A big pet peeve of mine. Always been there, felt wrong, just couldn't put it in the form of words. But this post sums everything up.

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