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"Feminism is drowning in myth-information". Finally, some facts in MSM about men's issues and the problem with the modern feminist movement.

Ungrateful_bipedal

December 9, 2016
122 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-feminism-patriarchy-working-class-women-20161208-story.html
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Title "Feminism is drowning in myth-information". Finally, some facts in MSM about men's issues and the problem with the modern feminist movement.
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Ungrateful_bipedal

Upvotes 122
Comments 32
Date December 9, 2016 4:36 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
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[–]Greg_W_Allan 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Hillary Clinton's defeat is wreaking havoc in the sisterhood. Celebrity feminists are especially distraught. "Girls" star Lena Dunham developed hives and fled to Sedona for spiritual renewal. Katy Perry took to Twitter to declare "THE REVOLUTION IS COMING." For feminist icon Robin Morgan, the election is proof that "a diseased patriarchy is in a battle to the death with women.""

Ladies, if the genitalia of the candidates matters that much you are too shallow to be voting in the first place.

[–]xNOM 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Henry Kissinger reportedly said, "No one will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's too much fraternizing with the enemy."

Which is why I find it hard to believe that it's possible for one gender to truly "oppress" the other.

[–]Saintmyname 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So much this.

[–]franklindeer 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not impossible, but even in places that truly are patriarchies, like Saudi Arabia or Iran, the oppressor pays a very high price for their status. In many cases they take on the full legal responsibilities of their wife and are wholly responsible as providers. In some cases if they fail to fulfill those roles they are jailed. It's obviously not a fair trade for women in these countries, that's not what I'm suggesting, but it's not quite so simple either.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even in those places, its not cakewalk for men. The majority of them are pretty poor off too.

[–]xNOM 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not impossible

Oppression requires separation. This is impossible, IMO. Saudia Arabia really tries. But still fails.

It's obviously not a fair trade for women in these countries

Women are actually happier than men in these countries.

EDIT

https://www.reddit.com/r/mensrightslinks/comments/3phbcu/otherstudy_world_happiness_report_2015_un/

"MENA" = Middle East and North Africa

http://imgur.com/SbbIEsg

[–]franklindeer -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you're using a fairly absolute definition of "oppression". The restrictions placed on women in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran to a lesser extent are certainly oppressive. They're not treated like indentured livestock, but nonetheless, their rights are certainly limited in society.

As for this study. It's certainly interesting, but it's also a small piece of a puzzle that requires a lot more study to draw any real conclusions from. The "gap" between men and women was measured and the thing being measured is notoriously difficult to measure empirically. I think we'd need to know the standard of "happiness" on one scale for men across the world and then see where women in these countries fall. It could be that men in North Africa are just so much more unhappy than men in Norway and women are also quite unhappy but quite a lot less than their male counterparts, creating a huge gap.

Don't take that as a dismissal of the argument entirely, it's not, and certainly there are lots of factors and the west is not doing everything the best possible way necessarily. I just don't think it's enough to base a world view on or draw too many conclusions from.

[–]xNOM 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're not treated like indentured livestock, but nonetheless, they're rights are certainly limited in society.

Their rights in the public sphere are limited. Their responsibilities are also certainly limited. I think you are making the normal gynocentric mistake of concentrating on women's problems.

It's quite simple really: In the middle east and north africa, everyone is "oppressed." Because it's a shithole. Look at the scales on the left. MENA is much less happy (overall) than North America or Europe. When you live in a shithole without infrastructure, gender egalitarianism is not going to be the most efficient way to organize your society. This is one of the reasons why humans reproduce sexually to begin with. Different inherent gender strengths make the species stronger and more resilient than if humans reproduced by budding or cloning.

In places where life is shit, men and women divide up the rights and responsibilities to minimize the shittiness in the most efficient and fair manner. Notice that the difference between MENA and Europe is much larger than the difference between men and women anywhere. Sweden isn't more egalitarian than Yemen because they are somehow more morally enlightened. Sweden is more egalitarian because they have electricity, trains, hospitals, low crime, and supermarkets. This causes men and women to divide up their rights and responsibilities differently.

The "gap" between men and women was measured and the thing being measured is notoriously difficult to measure empirically.

It's quite easy. You just ask them. Sociologists have been doing it for decades, and developed the Cantril ladder specifically for this. The differences are reproduceable and statistically significant.

[–]Blutarg 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Or better yet, consign feminism to the dustbin of history where it belongs, and create a movement that solves real problems.

[–]contractor808 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

consign feminism to the dustbin of history

I know I've heard that before but don't remember wear...

[–]Manakel93 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Feminism did solve real problems... in the past. It's unfortunate what it has becomes in the West.

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[–]wateryouwaitingforq 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

thete are issues that are exclusive to women

Such as?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

'Exclusive' wasn't the best choice of word, was more hyperbole, let me rephrase:

There are issues that affect women more directly than men, for example abortion law. (Obviously this affects men too).

[–]wateryouwaitingforq 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So if men think abortion shouldn't be allowed, they are wrong because women feel differently?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No I don't think that. Their opinions are valid, I just meant the issue affects women more directly because they are the ones who can become pregnant.

[–]wateryouwaitingforq 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a feministic prop up point of view to fuel their eagerness on the idea of being as open and free about abortion as possible that is, at best, a brutal and cold half truth. It might be their body, but it isn't solely their baby, and this is an obliteratingly essential view to the idea of abortion that goes wholly ignored. Really, this is a great issue on mens rights that doesn't seem to be given even a second thought by anyone. To consider that a woman isn't absolutely required to seek consent on abortion from the man is truly incredible. Guess who is financially responsible for babies? That's right, men, kind of a big deal in the idea of 'becoming pregnant'.

Babies are good, babies are essential, it's hard to really appreciate the depths of this idea. With few exceptions (deformed/retarded baby, guarantee death of mother), abortion is horrific. Men are at least as responsible for pregnancy, are as much impregnated in spirit, as a woman is but men are given absolutely zero choice in the matter.

The reality is, there is a lot of things messed up in a society where women are given any control, but especially absolute control over abortion.

Ultimately, women are born for and infallibly better suited to giving birth to children. Children is the prime pillar of all nations and societies, to think how feminism is largely anti-baby and so liberal with the idea of abortion alone makes me think that feminism is simply aids for a nation. I think of all the aborted and unborn children (Oh goodie, she went to college and got a career instead of having babies) it makes me lose my mind. Feminism is a destroyer of birth rates.

Abortion might be one of the worst examples I can think of to justify feminisms existence because of the contrast between how horrific and taboo the idea paired with how infallibly essential babies are but how feminism views abortion as so boring and casual. If you spend much time on twoxchromosomes (horrific subreddit, whiny cunt personified crammed to the brim with persecution complex paired with mega volumes of censorship) and read much about abortion there it's pretty clear the vast majority there have absolutely zero interest in ideas involving dual consent or any form of hoop jumping to acquire an abortion. The bottom line to abortion for feminism is precisely how you placed it, it's their body and nobody should have any say in the matter but them but that view is so absurd I can hardly stomach it.

[–]Ungrateful_bipedal[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I actually agree with this statement.

[–]Manakel93 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely! I just don't like that some people here act like the movement was never good. I think it always had issues, but we do need to remember that Feminism isn't/wasn't always the Legion of Doom.

[–]marauderp 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely! I just don't like that some people here act like the movement was never good.

No movement that completely ignores half of the problem can possibly be 'good'.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe

[+][deleted] 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]rottingchrist 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First wave feminism: All men have oppressed us for millennia. Give us the franchise without the obligation of being conscripted, unlike the men, so that we may be "equal".

Second wave feminism: the home is literally a concentration camp for women, all hetero sex is rape, woman and men are as similar as fish and bicycles.

Nah, it's been an anti-male hate-fest against boys and men from the very first day.

[–]rimper 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh-oh!...Christina won't be special to the WaPo after this!

[–]franklindeer 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TIL Robin Morgan in still alive.

[–]Vandechoz 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By Christina Hoff Sommers

still waiting on the MSM to realize this for themselves, though

[–]thrway_1000 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/f2CU6

[–]franklindeer 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why would we want to punish this kind of writing? The media publishes for clicks. This is a valuable piece, let's click.

[–]Singulaire 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Click the original article to reward content you like, maintain an archived copy for durability and integrity. IMO we should have a bot similar to r/kotakuinaction's mnemosyne that automatically archives links.

[–]bakedpotato486 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's still nice to archive it, though, isn't it? Imagine fishing through the archives at some point in the future only to find a bunch of misandrist claptrap.

[–]franklindeer 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure. But typically that's not the reason an archive link is used in this sub. It's used so we don't generate ad revenue for sites that publish nonsense and disparage half the population. If it's being used here just to actually archive for posterity, great. But we should be clicking on the original link and generating traffic for good content for the same reason be avoid doing that for bad content.

[–]Ungrateful_bipedal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. I'm lazy and ill-prepared.

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