Where to start?

yellowbrickroad3141 · 2020-08-22T21:18:53+00:00

The Myth of Male Power by Warren Farrell. If you want to understand Jaye better, you should read what she was reading back when she started changing her mind. Don't just read the person's own work: read their most influential sources.

It also is an absolute classic in the men's rights movement. It's the book that convinced me when I first read it back in 1994.

paracog · 2020-08-22T22:57:36+00:00

The videos of Karen Straughan have a lot of great insights...she's pretty anti-feminist, though, but she's smart and logical and thoughtful.
https://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat

TehReedster89 · 2020-08-22T23:39:56+00:00

I'm not really looking to change your mind any further, and I have read some of your comments and understand that the label of feminism is a personal one for you, despite you acknowledging the problems in the movement. With all that as context, I still want to point out that blaming the man hating on "some radical feminists" seems to miss the mark. You just got done watching the Red Pill documentary, so I'm sure you remember Katherine Spillar. She's the one who claims that domestic violence is a "clean-up word for wife beating", and that it's not women beating their husbands; it's men beating their wives. This is an extremely misandristic view point, claiming that domestic violence only goes one way. And she isn't just some random radical feminist on tumblr spouting off "kill all men". She's a highly-influential feminist. If someone in her position is anti-man, then it doesn't seem right to say "some radicals"; it seems more right to just say the movement has been taken over by bad people.

Deletusbaguettus · 2020-08-22T20:57:10+00:00

Dr Shaym is interesting, quite brutal though. I really enjoy watching him and listening to what he has to say.

Lethn · 2020-08-22T22:17:03+00:00

It's not 'some' radical feminists, you're in for a trip down the rabbit hole I think a lot of feminists are beginning to have a major crisis of conscience over the kind of scumbags in their movement. It's really funny how even the ultra woke types like Rose McGowan is having a meltdown over the creeps in the democrat establishment.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that you even bothered to watch the red pill and actually do your research. You should get credit for that but I have seen people make excuses far too many times for the shitty movement that is feminism.

You have allowed anti-male fanatics and criminals to take over your movement and you won't admit it. It's not just 'some' they have complete control over you and now you're struggling with the idea like a bunch of people that post here.

When it comes to how these feminists have taken over academia and such I think you should look at the academics that trolled feminist journals. The feminist movement has become a religion that you aren't allowed to blaspheme against which is why they go after MRAs so hard and they managed to infiltrate feminist academia simply by replacing jews with men using pieces of mein kampf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVk9a5Jcd1k

Suck-Less · 2020-08-22T21:54:36+00:00

If you want to understand the impact of the toxic version of feminism consider the book “Men On Strike” by Dr Hellen Smith. There’s a number of interviews on YouTube about this.

mikesteane · 2020-08-23T00:04:28+00:00

This subreddit is a good start. The Myth of Male Power by Warren Farrell, The Fraud of Feminism by Ernest Belfort Bax (1908) also available free for Kindle and elsewhere.

Dry_Calligrapher_553 · 2020-08-23T04:27:49+00:00

Raise awareness about the paternity fraud because it just don't only effect men it also effects the victim children because some pathetic women don't want her secret to be revealed as then she'll lose money from the husband. It is more relevant and common than people think.

Blutarg · 2020-08-22T21:51:28+00:00

Dr. Warren Farrell is my top recommendation. His books and Youtube channel are first rate.

Welcome aboard :)

thomasangryatbull · 2020-08-22T23:47:12+00:00

Question do you still beleive in today's world that feminism is fighting for equality?(well actually first I must state that I am talking about feminism in america because that is what I've researched)because it doesnt it fights for female rights I just wanted to clear this up and also just ask and I've got a long list of why we dont need feminism on such a level in america.

user_miki · 2020-08-23T08:29:15+00:00

"I don’t need to stop caring about women’s rights to care about men’s rights, it’s not a zero sum game."

You will have a hard time ,you scratched only the surface.Because feminist view it is a zero sum game.And they are right at this moment.The resources of a country are finite.In order to give men resources for their grievances you have to reduce from women.Women grievances& comp formed an industry with money ,jobs and positions and status it is a government led by influential women within US government that goes beyond party lines.

For this reason men's rights never made meaningful advances in the last 10 years.On the contrary.

Oncefa2 · 2020-08-23T13:04:23+00:00

The Privileged Sex by Martin van Creveld.

It goes into the history of female oppression (or rather how most of it is historically inaccurate).

The author / book is not anti-feminist, and I don't think it even really argues against the idea of a patriarchy. But a lot of these things that people blindly believe about women not being allowed to own property or go to school and things like that are simply not true. And I think a lot of our modern gender ideologue is founded on those assumptions.

FYI the first generation of male voters pretty much always voted for female suffrage. The largest gap anywhere in the world between male suffrage and female suffrage was about 50 years. And the only reason men were given the right to vote first is because they had obligations to the state that weren't expected out of women. Like fighting in wars and joining fire brigades. So even that topic doesn't lend itself to the idea of "female oppression" in history. And that's probably the only one that has any amount of historical accuracy behind it.

JestyerAverageJoe · 2020-08-23T14:50:29+00:00

You can start by abandoning your hateful and backwards feminist beliefs. When you're ready to admit that "patriarchy theory" is an ugly sexist conspiracy, we can move forward.

Yoshiholic · 2020-08-24T03:16:25+00:00

Even as someone who stood for Men's Rights before watching The Red Pill, I was shocked at just how brutal the situation truly is. It's amazing to see a feminist like you acknowledge these issues. Thank you for sharing!

Aarya1324 · 2020-08-23T08:30:00+00:00

You should try watching interviews of "James lindsay" to understand whats happening in the universities. It would provide you with a lot of context and perspective.

yellowbrickroad3141 · 2020-08-22T21:20:09+00:00

Welcome to the MRA forum! How big are your tits?

Title	Where to start?
Author	yellowbrickroad3141
Upvotes	46
Comments	58
Date	August 22, 2020 8:48 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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