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Sexism Factsheet; comprehensive list of discrimination

gregathon_1

January 30, 2021
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/r/MensRights
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Title Sexism Factsheet; comprehensive list of discrimination
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gregathon_1

Upvotes 141
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Date January 30, 2021 2:22 AM UTC
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Comments

[–]AleksandrNevsky 34 points35 points36 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Might want to upload a back up to someplace else besides google docs. Google is starting to remove or wipe stuff from drives without informing users and given their stances...

[–]Uqtpa 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Archived here: https://archive.vn/bofRj

[–]TraditionItchy 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, could you give me some source or something? I'm not trying to say you're wrong I'm just worried about everything I've saved over the years.

[+]kitecurbkicker12 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Some more info could be added.

  1. Male-only draft registration, which dodging is a criminal offense. Straight up sexism and needs no study.

  2. Genital cutting. Women are protected at state levels now, and formerly at federal levels (removed due to equal protection clause of the constitution). Boys are cut without their consent, or a medical need, often at birth, and the issue is covered up or supported. Yes, it is argued that FGM is worse (the worst types are), but multiple types exist, and the most common FGM (ritual nicking) pales in comparison to a typical circumcision that removes 50% of the skin and 80% of the sensation from the area (2007 study), not to mention other nerve damage, deaths that occur (yes, boys die from it), and the USA being the only country in the world that claims to do it for medical reasons.

If cutting a female is wrong, why is it OK to cut a male? More sexism.

  1. Dangerous jobs and job deaths; men take more dangerous/physical/dirty jobs, and also die more from on the job accidents than women.

Definitely disposable.

[–]gregathon_1[S] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That'd definitely be interesting to add. I want to mainly focus on studies and scientific research when doing this, but I could definitely add workplace fatalities and genital cutting as a part of male disposability.

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[–]SweetPeachhh22 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You are sadly correct about all of these ): I wonder how many men would actually opt to get circumcised if they had to wait to make that choice when they’re were 18+ yo.

Also, do people still get drafted? No one should have to go through that, male or female. That’s awful. There’s a reason people don’t choose that life and to be forced into it seems wrong.

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[–]SweetPeachhh22 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy smokes! I did not know that about the draft! I also just read that transgender people who were born male and turned to female must also register but transgender people who were born female and switched to male do not have to register for the draft which kinda means if you have a penis they’re taking you no matter what! They don’t care who you are as a person. That’s really messed up.

[–]232438281343 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

goddamn this is amazing

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reading these studies makes my blood boil. How everyone chooses to ignore these, especially the teachers giving 15% higher grades to boys when they don't know the gender of the students. 15% is a LOT, and can cause pass or fail and determine the path of that student. Imagine a male getting 74% and being okay at subject and the teachers fails him with 59% just because of how he was physically born.

Something needs to be done to stop these sexist biased teachers. They're always talking about how women are fighting an uphill battle to succeed in life, when 75% of the graduates from my university are female and shit like this happen in the education system.

Feminism is good, but feminism is only focused on women, which makes sense, but they shouldn't call it "fight for equality" or "equality of the sexes". They should call it "only tackling female disadvantages and male advantages and ignoring female advantages and male disadvantages". I'm so furious. Also, the women spewing false bullshit, I hope you open your mind and see the truth one day... smh, this fucking society sucks

[–]kanray86 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

one misconception that I see on this sub about that infamous 2015 OECD study is that this sub assumes that the study was a blind test study when it was not. It merely looked at boy's and girl's average PISA test scores (I think it was the PISA test, I may be wrong) and then compared their classroom grades to see any discrepancy. That 1/3 grade discrepancy is probably not 100% due to teachers being biased in grading for girls but also due to boys being less interested in school and thus having worse behavior and turning in work late more/not doing their work despite them being intellectually the same as the girls.

Now, you could argue that maybe boys are not motivated in school because of gender standards and discrimination, but that is not an issue that that OECD survey touched on.

[–]gregathon_1[S] 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No, it was based on blind test scores. Look at the report more carefully, when the teacher was blinded, the boy's grade was out a 1/3 above.

[–]kanray86 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I can't actually find any version of the study online outside of a few articles that give their own summaries of it. Do you have a link to the original OECD study?

[–]gregathon_1[S] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I believe it's this this:

http://www.oecd.org/pisa/keyfindings/pisa-2012-results-gender-eng.pdf

It's also been cited by another study which found gender discrimination in grading as well:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191491X17302584

[–]kanray86 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. I just ctrl+f's the oecd document and couldn't find any mentions of blind testing. The Google Doc did have several other studies that did have some form of blind testing or other more direct measurements of gender discrimination, but I don't think the description for the OECD study is completely accurate.

[–]Oncefa2 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A couple of the studies are based on standardized test scores.

The logic is that men do better than women on those tests, but end up with worse grades. So they postulate that discrimination, or other biases that disenfranchise boys, might be to blame.

There are other studies that are blind tests though. Literally just name swapping an essay can affect it's final grade.

I don't know which study is which but it looks like the two of you have basically figured this out already.

[–]gregathon_1[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it wasn't the right document but as it was cited in another study, it was blindly tested.

[–]Vaultdweller1001V 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you! Will be very useful!

[–]LegendaryEmu1 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Very comprehensive indeed, kudos.

[–]gregathon_1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks a lot!

[–]iloveyoubutyou 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's a race and class issue too. Rich white women get less time than poor black women do.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Poor black men get actually the worse deal out of everyone. The difference between gender is actually a lot bigger than race as well, when it comes to sentencing.

[–]ApolluMis 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What do I say in response to “men created all the problems they face today”

[–]gregathon_1[S] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A victim is a victim no matter the perpetrator. The majority of people doing FGM in Africa are women, are girls suddenly not victims now? The majority of crime against African-Americans are done by other African-Americans, does that mean they are no longer victims because of some arbitrary characteristic of their oppressor? It would be ridiculous to claim so.

Also, it's extremely doubtful that men "created ALL of the problems they face today." It is also caused by women, too. Women are not just these powerless creatures incapable of doing anything.

[–]AreYou4RealM8 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Makes it very clear that female privilege and white privilege are very real.

[–]Oncefa2 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Men are discriminated against in ways very similar to minorities.

There's a whole list of studies here showing this:

https://www.telescopic-turnip.net/essays/invisible-privileges/

[–]gregathon_1[S] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

While this is true, it is important to note that there wasn't as much of a historical precedent for male oppression as there was for black folks. There wasn't gendered slavery of men by women. There was no Jim Crow but for gender. All-female juries did not regularly condemn innocent men to death. Majority-female governments do not pass legislation intended to marginalize men. Bands of women in white hoods have never hunted and murdered innocent men en masse because of their gender. The history and lens through which we examine race and gender are not interchangeable. Just because two situations look similar, does not mean that the underlying cultural context and reasoning is the same.

Of course, as I said, there are many ways in which men are discriminated against similar to minorities but the underlying cultural context surrounding it is rooted in something far more heinous in the case of African-Americans as opposed to for men.

[–]Oncefa2 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I'm mainly looking at this through the lens of intersectionality.

For example black men used to be lynched because of false allegations levied against them by white women.

Obviously men as a group were never slaves the way black people were. But most slaves in history and today were / are men. By some estimates around 80% of slaves in history, and 90%+ of slaves today, were / are men. Including around two thirds of Africans who were sold into slavery during the trans atlantic slave trade.

The word for slave in many languages has explicit masculine roots because in many cultures, women were never slaves. Meaning a slave was assumed to always be a man.

Just something to think about.

I'm obviously not comparing the treatment of African Americans to the treatment of men in history.

Although on the flip side, everything you said also applies to women. And there are people who try to compare the history of misogyny and our treatment of women to the history of slavery and racism. Something which I think is actually pretty offensive.

[–]gregathon_1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a source that the majority of slaves today are men? Because from my research, it appears that women and girls are the majority of slaves as of today:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/modern-slavery-victims-women-girls-majority-world-report-a7954066.html

https://www.un.org/press/en/2020/sgsm20461.doc.htm

Report: There are 40 million slaves worldwide, most are women and girls (usatoday.com)

Though yes I agree, comparing the treatment of women to African-Americans is stupid and completely not based in reality.

[–]Oncefa2 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

Some international groups define any form of labor below certain conditions or pay as "forced labor", even if it's entirely consensual in normal capitalistic free markets. For example those clothing factories in Bangladesh where workers earn less than $1 USD per hour are usually counted, and many of their workers are women.

We can of course talk about worker exploitation around the world. And under some standards we could even go into wage slavery and socialist theories about wage theft. But that's not what most people think of when you talk about people being slaves.

In the west there's also a trend of defining prostitutes as sex slaves in the data.

And there's a blind spot for arranged marriages, which are common in many countries around the world. Usually they only count women and girls as "victims" of arranged marriages, even though men and boys have just as little say in it as the women (and in many cultures, it's mothers and matriarchal "matchmakers" who are in charge of arranging those marriages).

In some publications, childhood marriages (meaning under 18), including outside the context of arranged marriage, make up almost the entirety of their data set that they define as slavery (or sex slavery), since it's so common. Close to 1 billion people worldwide, according to UNICEF, for example, marry before they turn 18. Although very few would consider themselves victims of anything. This is just the cultural norm in those areas.

According to this UN publication though, 94% of child human trafficking victims worldwide are boys:

https://omnibook.com/view/e0623280-5656-42f8-9edf-5872f8f08562

And this book, The Privileged Sex, goes into the history of slavery. Which mainly existed in the context of prisoners of war for a very long period of time (and which obviously was mainly men for that reason):

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Privileged_Sex.html?id=4szznAEACAAJ&source=kp_book_description

As recently as WWII (including into the post war period for Russia), Russians and Germans used captured soldiers as sources of labor, and it was estimated that more than 80% of their slave labor was men.

[–]gregathon_1[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Interesting, thanks for all this info! I will definitely take at these. Now, granted, I wouldn't necessarily define "human trafficking" as being equivalent of slavery, as it's a pretty specific type of it but interesting to note. Do you have any sources on the gender prevalence of slavery in general?

[–]Oncefa2 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

According to this group, 20.9 million people are forced laborers, with a 55%/45% split between women and men.

https://www.ilo.org/global/topics/forced-labour/policy-areas/statistics/lang--en/index.htm

One thing I noticed is that they include about 2 million state laborers (via forced conscription and prisoners), but there are 10 million people worldwide who are incarcerated, and are therefore deprived of liberty, even if they aren't made to work.

Now, granted, I wouldn't necessarily define "human trafficking" as being equivalent of slavery, as it's a pretty specific type of it.

It is what's historically been associated with the word, at least as the most severe form of slavery where people are treated as property and have no rights of their own (it's why serfdom in Europe often isn't described as slavery, even though serfs were by definition forced laborers). And the gender difference is basically reverse of what most people think it is.

Even in Western nations where sex slavery makes up a larger percentage of forced laborers, only around half of children who are trafficked are girls.

https://www.savethechildren.org/us/charity-stories/child-trafficking-myths-vs-facts

I'd like to find some stats that are inclusive of adults but I imagine that most start out as children in the modern world.

[–]gregathon_1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That would mean, though, excluding prisons, women are still the majority of slaves (55:45), correct?

Though yes, it is quite terrible that 94% of child trafficking victims are male? Are there any similar statistics for adult trafficking victims? It also said in the source that you sent me that 2/3 of reported child trafficking victims are girls and that only 23% of trafficking victims are children.

[–]Oncefa2 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

That's actually the same source behind the last link you sent me earlier.

When they include child marriages and / or arranged marriages, it jumps to the 40 million figure with "most being women" that you found.

But yes under their definition of forced labor, 55% are women.

These aren't all people who lack rights and freedoms though. Many just don't have negotiable skills and are stuck working at jobs that underpay and abuse them. They're wage slaves but they're not being bought and sold like property.

The report also talks about how difficult it is to get these numbers. By their own admission, nobody really knows for sure what the numbers are. They just look for complaints and then multiply those complaints by factors that they come up with. So the fact that their stats on child trafficking differ from the other two sources isn't really surprising. If I had to guess, it might be because they're not accounting for people who don't survive the ordeal. IIRC they even mention somewhere that organ harvesting isn't included in their numbers.

[–]gregathon_1[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

DM me if you have any more studies you would like to add!

[–]iainmf 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I didn't read you document thoroughly but here are some studies that might be relevant

Gender Stereotypes Have Changed: A Cross-Temporal Meta-Analysis of U.S. Public Opinion Polls From 1946 to 2018

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-amp0000494.pdf

More people believe women are superior to men than believe men are superior to women.

Subliminal Gender Stereotypes: Who Can Resist?

Jolien A van Breen 1, Russell Spears 2, Toon Kuppens 2, Soledad de Lemus 3

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29781373/

we found that subliminal exposure to stereotypes (vs. counter-stereotypes) led women who identify relatively strongly with feminists, but less strongly with women, to ... (b) show increased willingness to sacrifice men in a Moral Choice Dilemma task

When a man hits a woman: moral evaluations and reporting violence to the police

Richard B Felson 1, Scott L Feld

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19746441/

Abstract

...The pattern appears to reflect both greater moral condemnation of men's assaults on women and the belief that the victims of these assaults are in greater danger. In general, moral judgments and attitudes toward reporting do not depend on the gender, age, level of education, or political ideology of the respondent. Condemnation of men's violence against women, and support for police intervention when it occurs, are apparently widespread across different segments of the population.

Ethnic and Gender Discrimination in the Rental Housing Market: Evidence from a Meta-Analysis of Correspondence Tests, 2006-2017

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326514040_Ethnic_and_Gender_Discrimination_in_the_Rental_Housing_Market_Evidence_from_a_Meta-Analysis_of_Correspondence_Tests_2006-2017

...Thus, ethnic majority women are the most favored in this market in OECD countries while minority men are the most disadvantaged. Moreover, we show the existence of interactions between ethnic and gender discrimination: gender discrimination is greater for minority-sounding names than for majority-sounding names.

Gender Differences in Empathic Sadness towards Persons of the Same- versus Other-sex during Adolescence

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5112287/

Abstract

...Female targets also received more affective empathy than did male targets, and, more importantly, gender differences were observed in same-sex versus other-sex affective empathy. Specifically, in both studies male adolescents reported less empathic sadness towards same-sex than towards other-sex targets. In contrast, female adolescents reported more empathic sadness towards same-sex than towards other-sex targets in the cross-sectional study, and equal levels of empathic sadness towards both types of targets in the longitudinal study.

Do people care if men don't care about caring? The asymmetry in support for changing gender roles

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022103118304633

  • Gender imbalances are perceived differently for male- vs. female-dominant careers.
  • Stronger support for social change when women (vs. men) are underrepresented.
  • External barriers are thought to constrain gender balance in male-dominated jobs.
  • Motivation is thought to constrain gender balance in female-dominated jobs.
  • Asymmetrical support for change is predicted by gender distribution, not salary.

Gendered white lies: Women are given inflated performance feedback compared to men

https://psyarxiv.com/yq24b/

Accuracy and Bias in Stereotypes about the Social and Political Attitudes of Women and Men

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022103101915112

Abstract

...Nevertheless, analyses of discrepancies between the estimated and criterion attitudes revealed a systematic bias by which participants consistently underestimated men's support for female-stereotypic positions on issues. Further analyses of these data suggested that this error rose from perceptions that men would oppose policies that favored women's interests. In contrast, perceived female group interest functioned as a cue to accuracy in estimating women's attitudes.

[–]Oncefa2 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

That last study is really interesting.

Men seem to understand that women as a group put women's interests over society (and obviously over men's interests). But women seem to wrongly believe that men are the same way. As if they think there's some kind of mutual gender war between men and women.

Men aren't fighting this war though. It is exclusively a war being waged by women (some women anyway) against men.

[–]iainmf 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men aren't fighting this war though. It is exclusively a war being waged by women (some women anyway) against men.

Men are fighting this war, but on women's side. (#not all men)

[–]Oncefa2 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wonder what men's interpretation of other men's political policy preferences are.

There seems to be this idea that men hate women and go out of their way to do things in opposition to them. This study verifies that 1) that's not true, and 2) women seem to believe this even though it's not true. I wonder if other men believe that though. It could be that every man is walking around thinking he's one of the only "allies" to women, and most other men are chauvinists or something.

[–]iainmf 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.apa.org/monitor/dec04/women

y. In other words, women can be characterized as thinking "if I am good and I am female, females are good," whereas men can be characterized as thinking "even if I am good and I am male, men are not necessarily good."

[–]BramblEdge 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent, as always!

[–]Oncefa2 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How much work do you want to put into this? Lol.

There will be some duplicates with what you already have but some of this might also be useful to people looking for references.

Here's another list:

https://menarehuman.com/citations/

Some sources about gender and history:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/iu2ebj/women_could_and_did_own_property_and_have_rights/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3a01gq/refutation_of_womens_historical_oppression/

Domestic violence:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/f4rvop/some_sources_on_the_severity_of_domestic_violence/

Sexual assault:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/f5tes5/gender_parity_for_sexual_assault_academic_studies/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/koinom/some_sources_on_the_sexual_abuse_of_men_and_boys/

False allegations:

http://www.saveservices.org/dv/falsely-accused/survey/

http://www.prosecutorintegrity.org/pr/survey-over-20-million-have-been-falsely-accused-of-abuse/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/e6w4yc/i_call_bullshit_on_the_false_rape_accusation/

The wage gap:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/kzvfcg/about_the_wage_gap/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/dxaimc/the_wage_gap_is_created_by_women_and_reflects/

Gender role enforcement:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/gjtj10/most_people_regardless_of_gender_prefer_to_stay/

Some stuff about feminism:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ihmb2p/by_denying_that_the_feminist_establishment_is/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9v6tqj/a_list_about_feminism_misandry_for_anyone_who/

Child custody:

https://nationalparentsorganization.org/information-resources/2019-shared-parenting-report-card

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ilzceq/cmv_equal_child_custody_for_mothers_and_fathers/

Misc:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/cofag7/a_big_compilation_of_arguments_and_statistical/

Some copypasta from u/duhhhh (check the comments):

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/krse70/i_want_to_discuss_a_bit/

And that's really just a small fraction.

Either way great job with this. The amount of literature here is overwhelming. Which should say something on its own.

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