No Such Thing as Red Pill Women?

redpillschool · 2025-06-11T18:05:28+00:00

This is only tangentially relevant to this sub- despite the debate in question is about the existence of red pill women, it's not particularly on topic here since most here would argue, "well, we're here aren't we?"

That said, I thought you might get a kick out of the debate. And given it's about red pill women (and my position on it), I figured I'd post here.

Deliaallmylife · 2025-06-11T19:24:34+00:00

The rise of the Trads is probably the closest that we will ever see from an RPW "movement" and that seems to be more of a fantasy about keeping chickens than being a good partner.

That aside, one of the things that has always interested me is the men who come here expecting us to be...different. It is as though they believe that by claiming Red Pill knowledge, we have somehow transcended female-nature. Based on this, I can see why men believe that there is no such thing as a red pilled woman. Because the expectation seems to be that as a red pill aware woman, we are now playing for Team Man regardless of our own goals and agency. Or they think that we will be submissive and deferential to all men rather than the one man we are attached to.

And on that basis, only the most passive, demure and introverted women will ever come close to the label.

So I'll never be a red pill woman in the eyes of those men, because there are a few men I take orders from and respect. That would be my husband, my father, my boss and in the context of this sub, you and Whisper (may his account RIP). But that doesn't mean that red pill ideas have not been a significant benefit to my marriage.

From where I am sitting, the men who believe there is no such thing as an RPW are not attractive enough or strong enough leaders to shape a woman into a complementary partner. Because AWALT is still AWALT and that's not really changing just because you (women) start calling yourself RP.

Unrelated Post Script: The narrative that there is no wall, you can have kids til you are 50 and there is a "HV" man out there for everyone is a HUGE disservice to women that you even find around here sometimes. It is maddening.

TheFeminineFrame · 2025-06-11T19:25:08+00:00

I did not pay up the $5 to read the original article you cited ;) From the snippets it sounds as though Jack Napier's perspective is that Red Pill exists exclusively for men to discuss MALE sexual strategy and that this excludes the sometimes contrary female sexual strategies.

I am not offended by this take. I think that men should have their own spaces and am in no hurry to join the TRP and other male associated forums. If, by his perspective, Red Pill should exist only to discuss male strategy, then he would also be correct in his opinion that there aren't going to be a lot of Pearl Davis types lining up to champion the cause (this being his "True red pill woman")

If I am understanding correctly, your own position is that the Red Pill is an accurate label for this sub and the women in it. It uncovers the truth of female sexual strategy and should be taught. Although "red pill women" as seen here are real, you see no mass change in the culture at large because too many women can individually benefit from being promiscuous.

I think you are correct that the pressure to have sex early to secure a man against competition, social pressure towards hookup culture, and financial gains from sexuality outpace the current movement towards conservatism.

I tend to agree with your take that Red Pill can be inclusive of female sexual strategy and would consider myself "redpilled." That being said -- While I am grateful to have this sub to interact with like minded women and think that having a label is useful for people to know where to gather and find information, I am not too fussed over a label. If collectively the women here decided that Jack is correct and that because we do not pander towards the TRP worldview we are not Red Pill, I would not have an identity crisis if we decided to call ourselves something else.

SnowOnCinders · 2025-06-13T18:04:49+00:00

The substack article itself is spot on. It very aptly notes that there is simply no social or moral incentive structure for women to adopt the “red pill woman” mindset en masse. Even though collectively women can’t profit from the RPW strategy, individual women very much can use it to their advantage when it comes to dating and securing a husband that they can love, respect, and submit to.

Jenneapolis · 2025-06-11T22:34:18+00:00

One challenge is that there are RPW but there aren’t as many YOUNG RPW. At 35 or so, many of us begin to get it. It clicks. We see the mistakes we made in the past and that forever youth coming to an end. We can still learn lessons from it but not as much as would benefit us when we were younger.

RP men have the advantage of time. It may suck for them when they are 20 but they figure it out early (because it slaps them in the face) and if they put in the effort, they can really optimize leaving some of us RPW who are just fighting it out in the dust.

LateralThinker13 · 2025-06-13T02:59:59+00:00

he’s not entirely wrong - at least not in the way he describes his opposition to the idea of red pill women. But I think maybe he misunderstands the purpose of red pill theory in context of female sexual strategy. “Red pill” means uncovering the truth. Men can use that knowledge for their benefit, why wouldn’t women be able to benefit from the truth as well?

Article's a bit of crap. I am SO sick of RP being misued or misconstrued as being about behavior. It isn't, full stop. TRP is about embracing the uncomfortable truths about humans, instead of wallowing in blue pill lies.

So if you neg a woman, or you work on increasing your femininity, you are using techniques that are red-pill (i.e. truth) INFORMED, but not themselves RP. Again, Red Pill doesn't advocate action; it is an embrace of uncomfortable truth only. What you DO with the truth is up to you.

Hell, the easiest way to see this is in the MGTOW vs. PUA split. BOTH are RP-informed groups; one saw how things are, and said, "Nope I'm out." The other group saw the SAME data and said, "Cool, I can work with this to get laid!"

For women, it's no different. Once you accept that TRP, you realize that no amount of indoctrination, scolding, nagging, or bullshit will make a man want you if you are fat, ugly, unpleasant, or masculine. Men want a feminine, soft, slender, fit, attractive, young woman. Studies show that whether they're 18 or 65, they ALL want that - the golden 18-25 year old is the ideal, and will always be the ideal, because if she wasn't fertility would crater even more than it already is.

So don't pay too much attention to this article. There are people across the spectrum who just don't get it.

ArkNemesis00 · 2025-06-13T05:44:03+00:00

There are:

Advantages to being a woman
Disadvantages to being a woman
Advantages to being a man
Disadvantages to being a man

Humans have a tendency to see the downsides of their situation and the upsides of other people's, i.e. the grass is greener. TRP being a men's space means most of the discussion will naturally fall to what sucks about being a guy and the privileges women often have.

It seems your definition of an RPW is someone aspires to become more cognitively aware of the four categories I listed, which may mean she has more of an understanding of the male POV than the average woman.

I didn't read the paywalled article, but if that author is suggesting that to be considered RP, a woman not only has to have an understanding of the male POV nearly to the level men do, but also to abandon the advantages of her womanhood through action for the sake of alleviating some of men's disadvantages, then I would consider that a high bar.

Part of the reason I'm here is to learn how to sacrifice my self-inclinations for my husband's sake as efficiently as I can manage. I recognize he gives me quite a bit of value in exchange for my efforts and if he didn't, I likely wouldn't be here. It's all self-interested and serves my goal of the two of us having a happy LTR.

Title	No Such Thing as Red Pill Women?
Author	redpillschool
Upvotes	10
Comments	14
Date	June 11, 2025 6:03 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/RedPillWomen
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/1l8zlj3/no_such_thing_as_red_pill_women/
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