Never. There are always going to be people trying to game the system for selfish reasons. There's no practical way to implement rules without their being a potential for abuse. Right now society pushes pretty hard in favor of an accuser, which gives the potential for abuse from petty people. Too far in favor of the accused and you give potential for abuse by legitimate criminals.
There's not really a way around it. Whatever you do someone is danger of being screwed. Best we can do is try to mitigate it by revealing truth as often as we're able.
We're already being spied on. Come on now lol. Might as well take it to the next level, so if some chick with a vendetta falsely accused me, id actually have a chance at proving my innocence.
And besides, it could be personal body cams that aren't connected to a network, and only used if it gets to the courts
It's surreal how true this is. I know there are some piece of shit men out there but man we get raked over the coals in comparison to females whenever the courts are involved
There are problems with that solution. I'm not saying it's wrong on principle or even that it shouldn't be implimited in some way, but there are complications.
First of all, not guilty in our court system is not necessarily the same as innocent. Not that it always actually works like this, but the standard for conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt. Not guilty just means a (theoretically) reasonable person could look at all the evidence and not have any reasonable doubts that the person is guilty. So a verdict of not guilty doesn't automatically mean the person making the accusation was lying.
That leaves us with provable liars. Ocassionally we catch people being idiots and admitting it to someone else who passes the information on (easier now that so much communication is in recoverable text format), but a lot of times someone who made an accusation in a pissed off fit recants it once the reality of what they did sets in. How many do you think would back off and recant, saving the accused months, if not years of court dates, and reverse a chunk of the reputation damage if they knew doing so would send them to prison? Unless you give them an out for admitting it early in the process it's going to have the actual effect of greater harm to the falsley accused.
There's even a problem with that when you add in scum bag lawyers. I can promise you in any situation where a person actually gets raped, can't afford an attorney, and the defendant can, the defending attorney is going to do everything in their power to convince the victim that they're going to prison unless they take the early out option and say the person didn't actually rape them.
I'm not saying the pros can't potentially outweigh the cons depending on how you implement it. In actual fact, I'm pretty convinced that they would, especially in the current social climate. The problem is, acting like this is a simple solution with no down sides is silly. There's very rarely a purely positive solution to a complex problem. Everything has a cost, and in this case it won't always be the guilty who pay.
That's fucking stupid. The texts are just as much his property and if her claims against him get to be public then his defense should be public as well. She tried to smear his name in the eyes of the public. She deserves whatever she gets.
America is probably the worst developed nation in the world right now. Your politicians are all bought out by corporations. Your people are divided over whether your current POTUS is a Russian agent or not with more than evidence indicating he is. Your citizens can't accept the fact that you have a gun epidemic while kids are murdered in schools, and your politicians are blaming it on everything under the sun except guns (because they're corrupt to the core and sell outs). Think whatever you want about your country but claiming it to be the best in the world in anything is borderline delusion.
USA isn't even the best country in North America lmao
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When is this madness going to end?
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Never. There are always going to be people trying to game the system for selfish reasons. There's no practical way to implement rules without their being a potential for abuse. Right now society pushes pretty hard in favor of an accuser, which gives the potential for abuse from petty people. Too far in favor of the accused and you give potential for abuse by legitimate criminals.
There's not really a way around it. Whatever you do someone is danger of being screwed. Best we can do is try to mitigate it by revealing truth as often as we're able.
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False accusers are legitimate criminals.
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Not disagreeing. The legitimate qualifier was differentiating them from the falsley accused, not false accusers.
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Body cams for everyone.
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We're already being spied on. Come on now lol. Might as well take it to the next level, so if some chick with a vendetta falsely accused me, id actually have a chance at proving my innocence.
And besides, it could be personal body cams that aren't connected to a network, and only used if it gets to the courts
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The issue is were talking about men in a court of law lol
Guilty until proved innocent
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It's surreal how true this is. I know there are some piece of shit men out there but man we get raked over the coals in comparison to females whenever the courts are involved
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There are problems with that solution. I'm not saying it's wrong on principle or even that it shouldn't be implimited in some way, but there are complications.
First of all, not guilty in our court system is not necessarily the same as innocent. Not that it always actually works like this, but the standard for conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt. Not guilty just means a (theoretically) reasonable person could look at all the evidence and not have any reasonable doubts that the person is guilty. So a verdict of not guilty doesn't automatically mean the person making the accusation was lying.
That leaves us with provable liars. Ocassionally we catch people being idiots and admitting it to someone else who passes the information on (easier now that so much communication is in recoverable text format), but a lot of times someone who made an accusation in a pissed off fit recants it once the reality of what they did sets in. How many do you think would back off and recant, saving the accused months, if not years of court dates, and reverse a chunk of the reputation damage if they knew doing so would send them to prison? Unless you give them an out for admitting it early in the process it's going to have the actual effect of greater harm to the falsley accused.
There's even a problem with that when you add in scum bag lawyers. I can promise you in any situation where a person actually gets raped, can't afford an attorney, and the defendant can, the defending attorney is going to do everything in their power to convince the victim that they're going to prison unless they take the early out option and say the person didn't actually rape them.
I'm not saying the pros can't potentially outweigh the cons depending on how you implement it. In actual fact, I'm pretty convinced that they would, especially in the current social climate. The problem is, acting like this is a simple solution with no down sides is silly. There's very rarely a purely positive solution to a complex problem. Everything has a cost, and in this case it won't always be the guilty who pay.
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That's fucking stupid. The texts are just as much his property and if her claims against him get to be public then his defense should be public as well. She tried to smear his name in the eyes of the public. She deserves whatever she gets.
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*Soccer player
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No, it's not that I fail to realize it.
It's that I do not give a shit. I don't care about your faggy game.
That was actually the British. So blame them.
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Speak English motherfucker I don't care about your gooble gobble language.
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Not in the most powerful nation of Earth it isn't.
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When did Russia start calling it soccer?
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Lol, imagine going through life thinking America isn't the most powerful nation?
Shame you had such poor education.
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Imagine going through life thinking it is.
America is probably the worst developed nation in the world right now. Your politicians are all bought out by corporations. Your people are divided over whether your current POTUS is a Russian agent or not with more than evidence indicating he is. Your citizens can't accept the fact that you have a gun epidemic while kids are murdered in schools, and your politicians are blaming it on everything under the sun except guns (because they're corrupt to the core and sell outs). Think whatever you want about your country but claiming it to be the best in the world in anything is borderline delusion.
USA isn't even the best country in North America lmao
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Never said best,
Said most powerful. Learn to read.
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