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smooth legs are a tool of oppression
/r/MGTOW07/08/19 02:19 PM
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Social media is mainly just exploiting (though, no doubt, exploiting the hell out of) a pre-existing defect in western women. There were tons of sluts before Y2K, and it's not like the hot ones had a hard time notching up a rediculous partner count back then. These new platforms made it easier for them to find the 0.001% ultra-alphas in each major metro though, which has made competition between males extreme. It used to be enough to be the top 2 or 3 guys in a bar of 50, now you have to be like…
/r/MGTOW05/08/19 08:38 PM
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10%'s way too high. Easily less than 1% of American women are physically and psycologically combat-viable at the most basic level of being more of an asset than a liability in a high-risk area [1]. That may be partly why tons of guys have such a barely-concealed hard-on for Tulsi.. she's an extreme outlier compared to the scores of fat, stupid, mean, and useless 250 lb EBT hamgalaxies waddling around Walmart. [1] However this should not be taken as an argument to exempt them from selective servi…
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 01:43 PM
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The science on that is unsettled. People have long assumed, probably for two centuries or more, that "larger human brain" means "smarter human" but at a group level, the highest avg IQ men are in east asia, and they tend to be physically smaller - so probably have slightly lower brain volume - than the average African or European male. Other factors - the way that it's wired, the speed that it fires, etc - seem to be able to offset modest volume differences, at least in men.
/r/MGTOW03/08/19 01:21 PM
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I don't like it, but you're not wrong. The USD, EUR, etc are unbacked electrons and whenever our overlord Elites need more of them for some misguided social terraforming, enough always appears at low or zero or - in Europe - negative interest rates.
/r/MGTOW31/07/19 11:32 PM
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Currency fluctuations may explain poor revenue for a quarter or two but they are not a rational reason to write down one specific business unit. If you expect the USD rise to be permanent (which is highly dubious on its own with the Fed cutting rates now..), you'd have to write down every business unit with a similar degree of intl sales. As a shareholder trying to sniff test this, you would want to see other companies in the industry doing the same.. just one business unit within one company be…
/r/MGTOW31/07/19 11:08 PM
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Being able to blame all of your internal fuckups on some "one-time" "external" factor that was "out of management's control" is a critical ability for modern execs. Analysts and shareholders usually fall for it and so it's widespread even in the US which supposedly carefully regulates shareholder communications. See Elon Musk, etc.
/r/MGTOW31/07/19 10:58 PM
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The average man cannot increase his lifestyle by $60k/yr+ within 4 years with high probability and near-zero effort, even during a deep recession. But any single mom can continue popping out another kiddo each year (actually a little faster..) until they get their desired lifestyle from Big Daddy Government (plus any alinomy, which is basically just a further bonus on top of all the state benefits). Basically it's the last widespread opportunity for significant and rapid lifestyle inflation acce…
/r/MGTOW22/07/19 12:14 AM
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LEAVE BONDNEY ARONE
/r/MGTOW16/07/19 11:09 PM
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The tech is surely coming but IMO there is no way that artificial wombs will be legally available to the masses in a western democracy. Women and white knight males will ban them.
/r/MGTOW13/07/19 02:14 AM
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If anything, you're the one stereotyping by saying that "life is hell" for all of them with no exceptions. Maybe you don't interact with the ones who are doing well, but that doesn't mean they outright don't exist. The 100k+ casino dividends I mentioned are not factually disputable.
/r/MGTOW11/07/19 05:55 AM
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It doesn't matter how bad a FWM genuinely feels or how much they apologize, beat themeslves up, etc.. it'll never be enough. See Joe Biden.
/r/MGTOW11/07/19 01:39 AM
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Varies. I agree there are some reservations that are heart-wrenching, but it is the responsibility, and within the power, of their leaders to deal with that by setting up proper recovery for the alcoholics, etc. In other cases the tribe built a few casinos to milk dumb non-native americans - an inexhaustable resource - and so many of them moved off-res using their $100k/yr+ casino dividend checks that they get for simply existing. If they're especially clever the women then find some liberal col…
/r/MGTOW11/07/19 01:20 AM
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Nope, that is exaggerated revisionist bullshit pushed by Hollywood and others. While women made some legitimately important contributions the vast majority of the work, including the SW work, was done by men.
/r/MGTOW05/07/19 02:31 AM
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uses my tax dollars to subsidize a slut's lifestyle Government has been doing that for millenia. What? No it hasn't. 1000 years ago, every government was basically a successful male warlord plus a few dozen to a few hundred of his successful male buddies (the aristocracy). Government didn't start large-scale robbery of productive men to subsidize single women until the 20th century, mostly post-1930.
/r/MGTOW05/07/19 02:18 AM
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Maybe eventually more people will start to resist our lizard brain I don't see an evolutionary mechanism by which that can happen.. the people with the worst impulse control - least intellectual - are the most prolific breeders. So it'll be Idiocracy basically.
/r/MGTOW28/06/19 10:54 AM
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If you ever lose the grandfathered plan look into Public Mobile, they resell the Rogers/Bell network with slightly less pillaging.
/r/MGTOW10/06/19 10:25 PM
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You can if you can demonstrate superb credit plus increasing wage income from a corp job for the past 2+ years plus ... Too much hassle, too much begging for permission IMO. I'd rather just log in to a brokerage site and sell however much stock I want in 10 seconds for $4.95.
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 11:14 PM
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It exists but it's usually <=2 weeks, vs like 2+ months for maternity leave. I think you have to go to Norway or Sweden or something around there to have them both be equal in length. In other countries the left doesn't give a shit about men's rights there.
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 11:03 PM
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Home equity is undiversified, trapped, illiquid wealth that you can only access by paying a bankster 3%/yr+ and working a full-time corp job (good luck getting a HELOC approved now without one). I would rather just own stock.
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 10:43 PM
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The WWII generation had its flaws, such as naive acceptance of manipulative state propaganda on both the Allied and Axis sides. The US turned instantly into a high-tax, centrally-planned, collectivist society and authoritarian state under FDR and millions of young men around the world were treated as cannon fodder to be thrown into the Axis meat grinder, especially by Russia but also, at times, by the US. And of course many women were impatient, selfish and unfaithful, unwilling to wait even a y…
/r/MGTOW19/03/19 10:00 PM
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They just want to be able to (ab)use the state to extract value from private corporations and individuals. The more laws that allow that, the better.
/r/MGTOW05/12/18 03:38 AM
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The vast majority of successful career women will lose all respect for a stay-at-home husband within a matter of months. Many of them to the point of cheating.
/r/MGTOW05/12/18 03:30 AM
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Not sure if there is another more direct source, but that 4:1 ratio is implied by 80% of household spending decisions being made by women.
/r/MGTOW06/11/18 06:44 AM
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For about the past century or so, the transfer takes place whether a productive male marries or not, or cohabitates or not. He can reduce the size of it somewhat by going MGTOW, but the state still takes 50-60% of his lifetime output, much of it redistributed to women and/or the children of single women. The State ensures that no highly productive man can opt out of being a beta provider male. And that is probably inevitable as soon as women are granted the right to vote, as AFAIK it's happened …
/r/MGTOW06/11/18 06:33 AM
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AFAICT it's mostly a status game vs other women. It's probably always existed, but social media has really amped it up like 1000X. I'm better than you because I went to some better city/stayed in a better hotel/posted selfies from a better beach/etc.
/r/MGTOW28/10/18 11:40 PM
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The flip side is that content showing female physical weakness vs men is intentionally never shown by mainstream media, because it is not adequately inclusive or whatever. For instance, prior to youtube I doubt anyone would have seen that army training video where a reluctant, average male trainee is instructed to try to tackle, at full force, an average female trainee, with an immediate and totally predictable outcome. You can't train or wish your way out of basic biology.
/r/MGTOW25/10/18 06:42 PM
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Yeah, but swimming pools are chlorinated/otherwise treated with a lot of safety margin to prevent that. In the US you are probably more likely to get mild chemical irritation, etc, due to accidental overtreatment, than to get a contagious disease from undertreatment.
/r/MGTOW08/10/18 11:48 PM
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day after 40 years later FTFY. No stat lim anymore in MD and probably a lot of other lefty states.
/r/MGTOW01/10/18 09:02 PM
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Bingo. The socialist agenda has already made it take ~twice as long for a man to reach financial independence vs the early 20th century. The freedom to retain your own economic output is long gone, and now they are taking freedom of speech, right to a fair trial, etc. The agenda is not rationally compatible with MGTOW and that's why this sub will probably be banned sooner or later.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 04:40 PM
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just lift heavy bro.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 04:34 PM
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feudalism stalinism FTFY.
/r/MGTOW30/09/18 04:27 PM
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Meh, it also puts you on a lot of lists you probably don't want to be on. Enjoy the free 4AM no-knock swat raid plus lifetime stay in gitmo because when they purposefully cut your home connection temporarily, some dark web market also happened to go offline, and that was sufficient technical proof for the one 78 year old judge in a secret FISA court whose understanding of the internet is that It's Not a Truck That You Can Just Throw Shit Onto.
/r/MGTOW28/09/18 06:58 AM
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I doubt they will force men to marry or breed as that would also force many women to marry non-top-10% men. While most women seemingly have few issues with major State violations of male freedom (military drafts, etc), they will never allow it to even slightly interfere with their sexual sovereignty. Hell would freeze before the US left attempts that. They will however seize and redistribute more bachelor output through taxes to make sure they "pay their fair share", and if/when that isn't enoug…
/r/MGTOW28/09/18 06:18 AM
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That is a useless hypothetical; regardless of what "you" would do, the Federal government is legally unable to violate an individual's rights to due process and equal protection when making a hiring decision (including promotion). See here
/r/MGTOW28/09/18 05:22 AM
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i.e. female entertainment funded mostly by male taxpayers. I just hope it isn't renewed for Season 2.
/r/MGTOW28/09/18 04:51 AM
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I doubt you will find a Tyrone willing to do that, and forcing one would be cruel and unusual IMO.
/r/MGTOW28/09/18 04:44 AM
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Disagree. Visit Los Angeles some time. Tons of idiot males buying $60k+ cars they can't afford while living with mom and/or in a ghetto-ass apartment, because the car alone is enough posing to satisfy plenty of women there.
/r/MGTOW27/09/18 07:13 PM
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To understand this you have to understand that the left, AFAICT, defines right/wrong by how they feel about a situation, and how they feel is based primarily (if not entirely) on how many ideologically-oppressed group(s) each person belongs to, and which of those groups are more oppressed than the others. The college age woman is "most oppressed" vs all of her male peers, and trans dude(tte) using the women's rest room is "most oppressed" vs the little girl.
/r/MGTOW27/09/18 06:52 PM
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So a feminist policy led to increased meritocracy, and since meritocracy is just thinly-veiled male oppression, feminists should soon begin trying to reverse feminist policy.
/r/MGTOW27/09/18 06:39 PM
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Oddly enough the ACLU has been fighting that non-unanimous conviction rule in Oregon, on the belief that it is racist/anti-minority. Even though given the demographics of Oregon the vast majority of victims are probably white guys.
/r/MGTOW25/09/18 04:10 AM
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OK great, now hang tight, we just gotta wait for 18 confirmations on teh blockchain.
/r/MGTOW25/09/18 03:58 AM
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AFAICT she never named a specific attacker. Looks like she just wanted attention or something but at least had the decency to not ruin some random dude's life in the process.
/r/MGTOW25/09/18 03:36 AM
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Do you understand how western justice works? An evidence-free claim is not a conviction. Show me the evidence if you want me to take it seriously.
/r/MGTOW18/09/18 07:24 PM
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While you are not wrong, the worst aspects of identity politics, giant nanny states, extremely high progressive taxation, etc, are a result of the left. The US right generally respects religious liberty and does not seek to impose its tradcon beliefs on the entire domestic population using threats of state violence. They are closer to Libertarian.
/r/MGTOW17/09/18 12:50 PM
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Not sure why you are getting downed, because you are right - despite being one of the most xenophobic cultures in the modern world, they have started taking immigrants to try to save their economy and welfare state. From what I've heard they are being fairly selective about who gets in though, they aren't just taking tons of random criminals a la the EU.
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 03:59 PM
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Going herbivore is the workaround.
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 03:47 PM
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Yeah, I agree. One of the most serious and historically disastrous flaws in Marxism is that it viciously and vindictively ignores almost every tenet of western justice by treating wealth and/or high income as reliable, automatic, and sufficient proof of malevolent exploitation. There is no ideological room for, say, two co-founders in a garage who build a successful tech startup without even having a lower-class workforce to exploit.
/r/MGTOW15/09/18 12:34 PM
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The left stopped dispensing justice based on individual character and individual action a long time ago.
/r/MGTOW15/09/18 09:32 AM
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Nor in Wolfenstein, which somehow committed the massive hate crime of creating a female Nazi boss. But I was talking about EA/Battlefield.
/r/MGTOW15/09/18 09:03 AM
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> It won't. I wouldn't be so confident. Most Western countries have bat-shit crazy governance now and plenty of armed men willing to enforce whatever crazy shit they write into law.
/r/MGTOW14/09/18 04:07 PM
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I completely agree they will try, but in the long run to stop this, they are gonna have to ban 3D printing and probably a lot of other tech too. And males travelling outside of the country.
/r/MGTOW14/09/18 03:59 PM
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Well, he did say "campaign" rather than subreddit. In principle a "campaign" could be organized elsewhere.
/r/PussyPassDenied14/09/18 02:29 PM
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They only update the Allied forces to be "adequately inclusive". The Nazis will always be straight white males.
/r/MGTOW14/09/18 02:10 PM
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Supporting one minority woman over another minority woman is now sexist, racist hate speech. The total lack of logic in that would be hilarious if it weren't being used to set policy.
/r/MGTOW14/09/18 02:07 PM
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Indeed. Once they are done eliminating wrongthink from the largest sites, they will start going after the major hosting services and the DNS system to purge the remaining small clusters of it. Enjoy your new American Internet, using all of the latest and greatest censorship tech they built for the Chinese Internet.
/r/MGTOW14/09/18 09:42 AM
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Eh, I dunno. Communist leaders managed to liquidate around 100M people directly and indirectly in the 20th century without being seriously harmed themselves.
/r/MGTOW12/09/18 03:41 PM
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I wonder if they're going to ban itsoktobeblack..
/r/MGTOW12/09/18 03:28 PM
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Pretty much. The default subs have been total idiocy for like 8 years. I am actually surprised by how long the niche subs have managed to hold out.
/r/MGTOW12/09/18 03:18 PM
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You are not wrong legally, but it is pretty fucked up regulatory regime that requires private companies to sell to people against the strongly held religious beliefs of their owners, for example, while allowing giant quasi-monopoly social media sites to blackhole everything that's not entirely consistent with their political views.
/r/MGTOW12/09/18 02:56 PM
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YT is basically just waiting for any remotely plausible reason to ban them. You should fully expect to wake up in a year or two to find all of them removed as hate speech.
/r/MGTOW12/09/18 02:48 PM
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Or you've got politically-motivated research. Not saying it is in this case, but, you always need to check for that in any social science.
/r/MGTOW03/09/18 07:03 AM
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I definitely see some dark timelines where China finally pays them back, with interest, for Nanking. The US will need to get tired of protecting them first though.
/r/MGTOW26/08/18 07:18 AM
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Japan is in major trouble. They have one of the most xenophobic cultures remaining in the modern world yet they're now letting in immigrants in increasing numbers because they need labor - any labor - to support their wrecked economy and, they hope, to keep their welfare state going. Their financial "markets" have been a sorry joke for the past 5 years, as prices of government bonds and public equity are being basically set through central bank intervention. It's probably just a matter of time u…
/r/MGTOW26/08/18 04:29 AM
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Even if they don't personally reproduce, they can - and have - affected entire generations by capturing the education system and, to a lesser extent, the legal system.
/r/MGTOW20/08/18 10:13 PM
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I agree with this but only to a point. It's not possible to "make a difference" or "be selective" about how they spend the 40%+ in taxes.
/r/MGTOW03/08/18 01:00 PM
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Honestly, if you are in the bay area, you just need to get out ASAP. CA has gone full retard.
/r/MGTOW03/08/18 12:51 PM
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There is a very simple way to fix this system: cap the payments at some fixed, reasonable max, let's say $3k/mo/child, unless the demonstrated past spending on the child was higher due to a complex medical issue, etc. Each month receipts must be provided showing that the <=$3k/mo/child was actually spent on the child. It is supposed to be "child support", not "ludicrous luxury lifestyle for mom support".
/r/MGTOW03/08/18 12:44 PM
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Start a religion.. as I understand it those giant multi-million-dollar megachurches in the US southeast are largely tax exempt.
/r/MGTOW03/08/18 11:22 AM
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We are doomed unless/until the producers actually revolt and perhaps not even then (they'll just create forced labor camps).
/r/MGTOW03/08/18 11:09 AM
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Pretty much.. the history of the 20th century is the history of western government abandoning strong protection of private property in favor of extensive pillaging of its own citizens. Despite all of the bullshit propaganda that labels that "social progress", it has made life ~40% harder for anyone that is a net producer.
/r/MGTOW03/08/18 10:56 AM
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On the whole most of them get out more than they put in. For example, in the US, you get max social security benefits by claiming at 70, for either men or women. On the surface that seems fair until you realize that at 70 women have a life expectancy of around 15 years, while men have around 5 years. Roughly speaking the system is biased to pay women up to 3 times longer and therefore, up to 3 times more, for the same contribution, regardless of whether they even actually "need" it.
/r/MGTOW05/07/18 03:07 AM
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That view is widely espoused by the left - "the donkeys will keep working at any tax rate because when they earn $1.00 and we take $0.99 they're still $0.01 better off" - but it's wrong. At some point the stress, hassle, physical risk or harm, etc, is enough that you reach The Fuck It Point (TM) and go minimalist or - even better - try to find a way to hop on the cart instead of being one of the few idiots still pulling it.
/r/MGTOW05/07/18 02:54 AM
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The system itself is the problem - once created it needs to constantly expand to satisfy the ambition and ego of the government employees running it. In the case of social services that means more and more people on the list each year, and after a few decades you end up with tens of millions who do not belong there at all. Empathy gone massively awry.
/r/MGTOW05/07/18 02:47 AM
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The more you spend, the more you save!
/r/MGTOW07/06/18 03:35 AM
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A lot of this people cant lose weight even when restricting calories. The hell they can't. Report back after 6 months of 2 hours on a treadmill or bike each day, actually focused on it instead of on instagram. Massive weight loss through cardio is hard but it is highly effective.
/r/MGTOW05/05/18 07:14 PM
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Mostly it's massively exploiting mental flaws which were already there.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 04:09 PM
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Churchill favoured appeasement until Poland This is wrong. He was pushing, for example, to put British troops in Belgium and to increase British arms - especially aircraft - for years before Sep 1939. There's extensive documentation for his early "warmongering" in The Gathering Storm, the first vol of his The Second World War. Churchill wasn't even that good at war: he left the warmongering to his war people This is almost entirely wrong. He demonstrated much strategic insight in 1940 in predict…
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 01:57 AM
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they come from living a "shit" life I think we're both right on that. Most American men do have a shit life in terms of diet, stress, exercise, etc. As a result they tend to have some signs of aging beyond just hair graying, at least by their early 40s. Cruise is an outlier.
/r/MGTOW23/03/18 11:00 PM
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The chief thing that generally shows "age" in a man is graying hair/beard I disagree with that slightly. There are some important others - eye bags and shadows, facial skin wrinkling/aging, belly fat, loss of some musculature - that Cruise has just mostly avoided or covered up. Depending on genetics you may have to spend like 2 hours a day in a gym to prevent all of that past age 40 though. Or get infusions of baby blood or something.
/r/MGTOW23/03/18 08:32 PM
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I would normally agree with this, but it becomes problematic when that entity is a monopoly or quasi-monopoly in terms of market share, or when it's being coerced into censorship by political extremists, government regulators or government policy.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 09:12 PM
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"Money". Banning small minority communities is fine, pissing off large corporate record or movie studios not fine. So a white rapper talking about beheading his ex with a knife is not misogynist hate speech, but questioning whether women really earn less than men is misogynist hate speech.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 09:00 PM
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That's a typically male strategy. Babies and people-who-act-like-babies instead just cry and whine until somebody else fixes all of their problems for them. As long as that continues to work they will continue to do it.
/r/MGTOW10/03/18 02:13 AM
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"I will say this, however--and it's a strange, strange thing--the teenaged daughters of these fat women are always utterly delectable ... I don't know what it is that happens to them, but it must be awful to marry one of those nubile cuties knowing that there is a time bomb ticking away in her that will at some unknown date make her bloat out into something huge and grotesque, presumably all of a sudden and without much notice, like a self-inflating raft from which the pin has been yanked." -Bil…
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 02:33 AM
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There's a great scene in Ken Burns' Vietnam docu where vets throw their medals into a big pile labelled "Trash" outside the capitol building, having finally realized how they were emotionally exploited and manipulated into fighting a pointless and basically immoral war in exchange for trinkets and abstract notions of "honor", "valor", etc. Archival AP clip
/r/MGTOW25/09/17 12:21 AM
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only if you have low impulse control, bro.
/r/MGTOW19/03/17 12:23 AM
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Indeed & on the high end, IQ is probably strongly inversely correlated with social intelligence. There are pimps with an IQ of 75-85 who understand way more about real male/female interaction than does your average 130+ IQ tech exec.
/r/MGTOW19/03/17 12:12 AM
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Historically this created a strong upper bound on how fat the species could become using natural reproduction. However, we now have the technology to smash through that barrier.
/r/MGTOW15/03/17 03:29 PM
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The ETF & mutual fund industry deserves a lot of blame for this. Vanguard, Fidelity, etc, control a substantial % of the float but almost never vote against - or even threaten to vote against - exec pay packages.
/r/MGTOW11/01/17 11:09 PM
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CEOs live or die based on financial performance, so that is a truly abysmal long-term strategy, although it will probably take a few years for it to hit quarterly earnings.
/r/MGTOW16/12/16 09:12 PM
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What I really want is solitude plus a fast internet connection. But thankfully there are now many places in the US west with relatively cheap land plus 10Mbps+ LTE.
/r/MGTOW16/12/16 09:03 PM
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I never called them "evil", I'm not a communist or socialist, and I have a pretty obvious distaste for government redistribution. But capitalists make a profit on each employee that they choose to retain - often a very large one - so as a non-owner employee much of your output is primarily captured by them rather than by you. That - like taxes - is a reason to opt out, either by founding your own firm, or, by reaching financial independence as quickly as possible so that you do not require wage …
/r/MGTOW16/12/16 08:30 PM
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The idea that wise, productive men will "gladly work harder-er" every year under a 40%+ tax burden simply because they get to keep the rest is incorrect. Many will reach bare-minimum financial independence as quickly as possible and then check out, because fuck working >=1/2 of the year just to benefit ultra-wealthy capitalists, company executives, banks, irresponsible single mothers with 5 kids, illegal immigrants, social security recipients, government employees receiving $100k/yr+ pensions fo…
/r/MGTOW16/12/16 07:13 AM
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Those with power usually get more than they put in, while those without it get less.
/r/TheRedPill14/11/16 01:25 AM
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heh, sorry to hear that about Louis CK. I had high hopes for him being the next Carlin.
/r/TheRedPill09/11/16 10:10 AM
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Go alone at first & try to befriend a mixture of guys and girls. Some 21 year old girls do prefer to date 23 year old guys, but some of them prefer to date 35 year olds - it's just a matter of finding the later.
/r/askTRP23/10/16 08:17 PM
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You don't have to leave, you just have to not give a shit about all of that noise.
/r/askTRP22/10/16 08:11 PM
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The wealthy old men in charge have more or less decided that they do not want to support younger rival males, at least not locally; for obvious reasons they prefer every first-world employee to be an attractive, young, compliant female. Lately they even seem to prefer unattractive females over most males - the main exception being top male producers in highly competitive fields who cannot be easily outsourced or replaced. But even they're under some pressure, e.g. Google's "Get Teen Girls To Cod…
/r/TheRedPill21/09/16 07:21 PM
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As usual, GoT nailed it.
/r/TheRedPill13/08/15 04:02 AM
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The comparison works in the other direction too: wise employers often pretend to love their employees, providing dinner, laundry services, etc, because BB often work harder in response to that.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/15 07:10 PM
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I'll take a shot at this: Income-producing land & real estate Certain collectibles (art, vintage automobiles, etc) Precious metals
/r/TheRedPill17/02/15 05:31 AM
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Males and females have had adversarial relationships since before humans were human. The idea of a "partner and comrade"/soulmate/unicorn/etc is modern disney horseshit. To a very significant extent, you are going to be at war with the opposite sex until you die; the moments of joy and harmony along the way are typically just a mutually-agreeable deception. Most women understand this automatically, at a deep subconscious level, but weaker males reject it - to their own detriment - in favor of th…
/r/TheRedPill10/06/14 06:25 AM
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Morality is a control mechanism that evolved through natural selection, to help weaken and pussify beta males, and make them less sexually successful. Throughout human history - the powerful have always had one set of rules for themselves, and another set of rules that they attempt to force on everyone else.
/r/TheRedPill09/06/14 08:17 AM
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Nope, you should only try to prohibit her interaction with him if you actually want her to leave you for him. Ultimatums like that are beta behavior, indicating weakness/insecurity. Better to: a) Ignore him completely if she's ignoring him completely b) If she starts showing interest - start gently tooling him in private with her. "Hey, see if you can get us some free drinks from this guy" etc.
/r/askTRP01/06/14 06:13 PM
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Yup, and if he's not willing to do that, get some new male friends that will.
/r/askTRP19/05/14 05:47 PM
1

Kids are not a very effective retirement/old-age aid these days. A lot of middle class American 20/30-somethings are totally fucked by student loan debt, unable to find decent jobs, afford their own houses, etc. If anything - their parents are still taking care of them.
/r/askTRP15/05/14 07:18 AM
2

Well, the "work ethic" is to monetize their SMV as much as possible before they hit a wall. Their SMV is, in essense, an inflation-proof asset that can generate a high real income in any economy, yet depreciates to almost nothing within 10-15 years, unless artificially maintained by marriage or child support.
/r/TheRedPill01/05/14 02:10 AM
3

It's certainly not the optimal strategy if you want a single, highly nurtured heir. Nonetheless alphas have been abandoning offspring since before humans were even humans. In most cases today, the State will ensure basic survival for your abandoned offspring even if the mother is totally insane/unemployable and unable to attract a beta provider male. Alpha genetics will - to a large extent - guide his success beyond that.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/14 08:41 PM
8

Not paying for kids doesn't mean Not having kids.
/r/TheRedPill29/04/14 07:01 PM
3

Most attractive women are in a relationship of some sort, and many of them will say they only want an LTR. You can a) remain celibate b) limit yourself to the dregs that no other man wants c) sack up and compete against other men to make "their" women "your" women, short term or long term, at your discretion. Personally I recommend c). You should stop thinking this self-limiting bullshit: i have nothing to really offer Women my age usually want someone older. I've just got nothing to offer/inter…
/r/askTRP25/04/14 05:46 AM
6

Obvious advice is obvious: Step 1: Register a domain name. Step 2: Set up a forum on it. Step 3: Announce the URL in the banner & sidebar here. Step 4: Wait a couple weeks. Step 5: Shut down the subreddit. Step 6: Enjoy the complete editorial freedom.
/r/TheRedPill15/12/13 09:46 PM
2

It's like HR actually wants the chaff who applied 4 months ago and still don't have a good job They absolutely do, because people with few options are easiest to exploit, and shafting the other employees (demonstrating declining average salaries for new hires, etc) helps HR justify its existence to the objective male senior execs [just in case the sexual favors are insufficient].
/r/TheRedPill23/11/13 05:11 AM
2

Exactly. The wife provides pre-election pre-selection.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/13 04:56 AM
3

Clearly, every generation includes millions of women with these "issues", so they must convey some reproductive advantage. I suppose they help a woman stick around long enough to breed with higher quality (more successful but more aggressive and more abusive) males, while keeping her submissive enough to preclude truly extreme acts of violence. Trying to "fix" this pattern is an uphill battle against biology.
/r/TheRedPill10/11/13 12:09 AM
1

Even in the Leave it to Beaver 1950s (heh), most women shifted affection away from their husband to their first born child as soon as he/she/it was born.
/r/TheRedPill15/10/13 06:01 AM
9

Only to the extent that men demand the real thing, instead of the substitutes OP mentioned.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/13 04:42 AM
3

There are alphas who do not want children, and the massive costs and constraints that they now entail. It is possible to be alpha - socially, physically, intellectually and/or sexually dominant - without producing offspring. And in fact I think that is becoming an increasing trend as the 'beta bucks' strategy of 'externalizing' the costs is becoming less feasible due to declining marriage rates, DNA testing, wider knowledge of female hypergamy amongst beta men, etc. State child support is fillin…
/r/TheRedPill26/09/13 10:47 AM
2

War is even better.
/r/TheRedPill23/09/13 01:56 AM
6

I know what you're doing and ... I'm enjoying the fuck out of it. We're just getting started, Potty Mouth. Your original post suggests that an average guy with decent game will do waaay better than a physically attractive guy with almost no game. What are the limits? I mean, there are probably lots of guys here wondering: does an HG4 really have a good chance with HB8-9s after 2-3 years of incredibly difficult and awkward social self-improvement? Or is that just PUA marketing bullshit?
/r/seduction24/07/13 05:54 AM
2

I turned it up to 11 because irony.
/r/seduction24/07/13 04:36 AM
31

Oooh, call on me! Call on me. Yeah, over here. Given that you have an incredibly deep and intimate understanding of male game, does it still work equally well? Did uncovering these hidden secrets and techniques change your reaction to them in real time, or is it the case that an intellectual understanding of this growing magic between us basically cannot obstruct the slight rush of attraction you're feeling right now?
/r/seduction23/07/13 05:34 AM
21

IME beta male traits become increasingly attractive as a single woman enters her late 20s / early 30s. Of course, women of all ages can appreciate a few beta aspects in an alpha - it gives him depth.
/r/seduction15/07/13 04:23 AM
6

I'm in the laissez-faire camp there. Certain women seem to enjoy being pumped-and-dumped by sociopaths; it's not my moral duty to try to "fix" that. They're getting what they select.
/r/seduction11/11/12 07:55 PM
6

Well, deception is part of the game to some extent. The guy's interest should be hidden from the girl at first, etc. Sociopaths can become very successful PUAs.
/r/seduction11/11/12 07:12 PM
7

Sudden-onset anti-slut defense.
/r/seduction29/09/12 08:29 PM
6

The most important thing is doing the approach. Learning from it afterward is the second most important thing :)
/r/seduction08/09/12 04:37 AM
1

I'll just add that almost all quality girls have a boyfriend, or say they do. Most girls would rather lie than openly show low mating value.
/r/seduction06/09/12 02:41 PM
2

Significant biological changes may take thousands of years but there is a social/psychological selection process happening every generation. Arguably, it's run amok, selecting for narcissistic/sociopathic male and female behavioral tendencies.
/r/seduction18/08/12 11:31 PM
17

Obligatory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXEUltZvJKs
/r/seduction29/07/12 11:45 AM
7

More precisely: women are a perk that comes from leading a life that is interesting and captivating to women. There are plenty of lifestyles that are fulfilling and interesting to men, but that do not increase mating value. Reading reddit all day, playing world of warcraft, excessive porn use or an obsessive focus on sports, computer science, guns, etc. Inner game is necessary, but not sufficient and I think it has become overrated in the seduction community. When you cut through the bullshit - …
/r/seduction28/07/12 02:55 AM
0

You are right about what's going on, of course, but IME flatly verbalizing the situation is not advantageous in a seduction. A guy can make practically anything work as long as it's delivered with the right body language, facial expression, and vocal intonation. The rational meaning of the words barely matters - even so - I'd never choose something as emasculating as "we'll do whatever you want" because I doubt I could deliver it properly. I prefer to wear the pants right up until neither of us …
/r/seduction14/07/12 07:20 PM
6

If she says she doesn't want to have sex, say, "Obviously I want to have sex, but we'll do whatever you want." That sounds pretty submissive/beta. "Duly noted" should suffice. Never verbally tell a woman that she is in control, and never verbally tell a woman that you want to have sex with her.
/r/seduction14/07/12 03:35 AM
1

In nature, context resolves this conflict. You should feel the bro code toward your actual bros - not to random strangers who are probably competing for food, territory, mate selection, etc. Modern society has trained men to apply the bro code to everyone, but in going so far, it has made many of us unassertive and unattractive to women. Hence a whole new industry that teaches previously instinctual skills to emasculated men.
/r/seduction04/07/12 08:52 PM
-4

I will if you will.
/r/seduction30/06/12 05:23 AM
0

Exactly. It's a numbers game, and sufficient persistence ensures success.
/r/seduction30/06/12 04:39 AM
1

They want to fuck NOW with the right male running the right game. It's all about learning to provide that experience to the women that you select.
/r/seduction30/06/12 04:28 AM
1

"A few weeks or more" makes it a beta-provider-male lay. You can expect her to give you as little as possible, as infrequently as possible. High-value men do not wait. IME it's best to just remove her from your life if you aren't getting any within 5-10 days.
/r/seduction30/06/12 04:18 AM
1

Well said.
/r/seduction30/06/12 04:16 AM
0

The truth is rarely good advice.
/r/seduction30/06/12 04:11 AM
0

Barring serious self-esteem or self-confidence issues: Yes he is. Experience is experience, man.
/r/seduction30/06/12 04:09 AM
-4

IME it's 90% for some (famous/rich/mPUA/ultra-dbag-alpha), and 5-10% for most guys.
/r/seduction30/06/12 04:00 AM
1

I said "FRs from guys who have it easy", not "guys who are attractive". It's pretty well-established that there are plenty of ugly guys who can get laid like rock stars, and plenty of hot guys who get nothing, if they lack the social skills, ability to overcome AA, etc.
/r/seduction29/06/12 05:51 AM
0

I have a goldfish.
/r/seduction25/05/12 03:57 AM
2

You can act at first, to unlock experiences that can make you real.
/r/seduction20/05/12 11:37 PM
-1

In the wild, the most stable ratio is 2 fatties per hottie. The hottie gets an ego boost from being the most attractive and the fatties get the scraps that the hottie attracts but doesn't want for herself.
/r/seduction20/05/12 08:04 PM
5

Good thing the HB9's paying it!
/r/seduction06/05/12 06:34 PM
8

Women smell desperation. In other words: If you need it, you can't have it. If you have it, you can't need it. You need to calibrate socially before you can start getting laid consistently and repeatably.
/r/seduction06/05/12 03:01 AM
6

James Bond could hold a purse and it wouldn't make him any less attractive. Maybe, but, James Bond would never hold a purse. At least not for a woman he isn't already boning.
/r/seduction02/05/12 05:06 AM
3

Men and women have different reproductive goals, and have always been at war with each other.
/r/seduction28/04/12 11:25 PM
5

Unless Asian.
/r/seduction28/04/12 11:17 PM
29

Be The Don Draper.
/r/seduction22/04/12 07:04 AM
2

In-field practice will make you a social surgeon. Reading on its own barely helps at all.
/r/seduction21/04/12 06:51 PM
1

Unfortunately our subconscious fears and anxieties haven't caught up with modern living conditions. You won't get your skull crushed, but it's still not worth it to game coworkers - you never really know how they will react, or how others will react if/when you succeed. Don't need that drama in a place where I have to spend 8+ hours a day.
/r/seduction20/04/12 03:06 AM
1

You shouldn't have fears of approaching women because it's not dangerous. What's the worse that can happen? The competing alpha male(s) may crush your skull if you succeed. If you fail, your social group may reject and abandon you, which was a huge problem when humans lived in small tribes and were dependent on each other for survival. Even today - this is why you shouldn't hit on your coworkers. Don't shit where you eat.
/r/seduction19/04/12 05:36 AM
2

True or not - you need to stop focusing on this. It's probably making you self-conscious and much less interesting to the girls. It's a negative spiral and improving your looks probably won't stop it (you'll just find something else to dwell on); the solution is to fix your inner thoughts.
/r/seduction15/04/12 10:28 PM
1

Yes they are.
/r/seduction11/04/12 07:53 AM
1

Daygame is also intentionally going to a target-rich area to pick up women, during the day.
/r/seduction11/04/12 06:19 AM
1

I can definitely relate to that - I have bad instincts but I also overanalyze so much that I can't use my rational mind to process social situations in real time. So I just have to go on (bad) instincts and then use rational thought to try to debug & correct them after the fact. It's really frustrating and time consuming but it's helping, slowly.
/r/seduction10/04/12 07:15 AM
1

utility is the ability to generate future value
/r/seduction09/04/12 06:32 AM
4

"You do not have permission to view this page". Shit, even the Internet cockblocks me.
/r/seduction08/04/12 05:14 AM
1

I agree that in-field practice is king, but theory is an effective accelerator that allows you to avoid many common mistakes. You don't have to try things completely blindly and randomly.
/r/seduction07/04/12 09:55 PM
-4

Downvoted for truth
/r/seduction07/04/12 12:44 AM
-2

I have it kind of easy because I am good looking FRs from guys who have it easy are essentially useless. If it just falls into your lap - it's not seduction - and you're not really helping the rest of us - you're just bragging about being a natural.
/r/seduction07/04/12 12:20 AM
1

It's almost ridiculous how easy it all seems. FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Still upvoted though.
/r/seduction12/03/12 02:27 PM
1

if there is a PUA technique that would have an issue with someone using on your sister or daughter, you should not be using that technique. Disagree strongly; seduction is a war for the best mate, and the only important question about a strategy is: "does it work"? If a woman allows it to succeed - it's fair play - whether or not it would work on your sister, and, whether or not you like the fact that it would work on your sister.
/r/seduction12/03/12 01:17 AM
2

Limiting belief!
/r/seduction02/03/12 08:45 PM
2

I just want to punch him in the face, until I figure out how to be more like him. Will probably involve meds.
/r/seduction29/02/12 06:48 PM
1

His book on War is more useful than his book on Seduction..
/r/seduction26/02/12 02:40 AM
2

Not rape; she allowed it and enjoyed it.
/r/seduction26/02/12 02:32 AM
1

Thirded; great book.
/r/seduction26/02/12 02:30 AM
1

Hole Foods. FTFY.
/r/seduction25/02/12 09:30 AM
2

Not mutually exclusive!
/r/seduction05/02/12 08:03 PM
1

Music and sex That's sufficient for me.
/r/seduction05/02/12 08:02 PM
2

Exactly. "wife, I mean life" sounded like an RJ-style embedded suggestion to make her view the OP as a long-term partner.
/r/seduction23/01/12 08:30 AM
13

Never let her think she's winning - it takes away her fun
/r/seduction22/01/12 08:09 PM
6

haha, NLP FTW.
/r/seduction22/01/12 08:07 PM
1

Exactly - girls say shit that makes no rational sense all the time, so you might as well pick an interpretation that moves the seduction forward instead of blowing yourself out.
/r/seduction21/01/12 11:07 PM
2

I shall call it 'Redditor Male'!
/r/seduction13/01/12 07:44 AM
8

What?
/r/seduction11/12/11 10:52 PM
6

Well, that is some pretty epic self-confidence, to intentionally undo and restart the f-close. Can't argue with the results.
/r/seduction11/12/11 07:18 PM
5

Congrats man, that is great work. But, she was massaging your back, shirtless, so you got dressed and took her to a club? Strike the hammer while the iron is hot.
/r/seduction11/12/11 07:04 PM
1

She could, you know, actually help him if he's shy. Instead of constructing some bullshit hoops for him to jump through that he simply doesn't understand. But I guess that would be like a guy helping a fat/ugly girl.
/r/seduction27/11/11 12:02 AM
110

Heh. In a good round - it's unclear who's hunting who.
/r/seduction20/11/11 06:46 PM
2

Women will invest in guys that have nothing going for them, or at least overlook that aspect, if they think the guy will eventually be successful. I guess that's based on confidence, optimism, social intelligence, etc.
/r/seduction19/11/11 06:28 PM
13

-- Using seddit improperly.
/r/seduction11/11/11 07:00 AM
3

You're gonna make us game through SIX layers? Challenge accepted!
/r/seduction24/10/11 06:40 AM
2

Meta seduction!
/r/seduction17/10/11 01:21 AM
8

Fuck off, we all start somewhere, and pointless emotional conversation is not a natural ability for everyone. The guy has some balls to approach 10X.
/r/seduction17/10/11 01:16 AM
1

Exactly. She was expressing interest; OP expressed a desire to go home alone and contact her later. "Wanna see my comic book collection?" might have had a better payout.
/r/seduction17/10/11 01:11 AM
1

You can/should push further than that, but when she puts your hand down her pants, its time to go somewhere private ASAP :)
/r/seduction14/10/11 07:08 PM
1

pre-arranged hotel, give her some obviously-bullshit subtext for going there to help with ASD.
/r/seduction14/10/11 07:06 PM
3

Or well-dressed guys.
/r/seduction09/09/11 09:36 PM
3

You just haven't met a guy who can out-AMOG you yet. Done properly - an AMOG destroys the self-esteem, self-confidence, and social value of competing males. Make them give up in their own minds, and then you win by default. There is a dark side to Game that seddit rarely mentions. Winners create Losers; thus is Life.
/r/seduction07/09/11 07:28 AM
3

You just haven't met a guy who can out-AMOG you yet.
/r/seduction07/09/11 07:15 AM
5

Well, the fact that these guys exist in large numbers means they're probably reproducing effectively. I don't understand women. So sensitive, yet they can be so blind.
/r/seduction27/08/11 06:58 AM
1

Get The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook and actually treat it like a workbook. Answer the questions and then go out and cold approach ("exposure"). Gets easier over time.
/r/seduction13/08/11 04:49 AM
1

Hey, pity works too. Fuck The Cube, tonight I'm going to fake down syndrome!
/r/seduction13/08/11 04:45 AM
1

Permanently? Or just while you're rolling?
/r/seduction13/08/11 04:42 AM
5

I think about 95% of people feel like that. Most girls aren't going to actively express much interest in you, unless you are rich, already the alpha male, etc. I guess you just have to have enough self-confidence to keep plowing anyway. Groundhog Day is much closer to reality than the "Bang Any HB10 in 3 Hours" PUA marketing bullshit. The guy banging an HB10 was probably rejected by 1200 HB10s before her.
/r/seduction13/08/11 04:14 AM
4

Advice that successfully and reliably fixes this problem, is basically worth as much as the fountain of youth. Some people have popular personalities and some don't. You can work your ass off and partially compensate for being dealt a shitty hand though. Just approach again and again until you find something that works on your target group.
/r/seduction13/08/11 04:02 AM
2

Except when you aren't having it..
/r/seduction06/08/11 08:17 PM
1

At least try to fix the issue first. Often less effort than replacing her.
/r/seduction06/08/11 08:07 PM
3

MAKE ME A SANDWICH works well too.
/r/seduction02/08/11 03:32 AM
1

Exactly. A key part of power is not falling for your own tactics, fed back to you.
/r/seduction26/07/11 07:45 AM
2

IMO it's natural game. Game is not inherently fake or an approximation.
/r/seduction26/07/11 07:39 AM
0

Dude, you have to start somewhere.
/r/seduction17/07/11 02:41 AM
1

IMO girls don't have much choice now - if they want to snag an alpha they need to put out pretty fast, even if it's not their "style". The days of proper courting are long gone.
/r/seduction16/07/11 02:30 AM
2

Rageface at implying that introversion is a "problem" that should be "fixed". :P
/r/seduction14/07/11 05:23 AM
9

OKCupid has the classy, smart (or wanna-be smart) hipsters. PoF has the leftovers that don't mind fugly 1990s HTML with lots of ads.
/r/seduction10/07/11 05:04 PM
1

There are negative returns to excessive consumption FTFY.
/r/seduction09/07/11 10:41 PM
1

Sneak into the nursing or teachers convention next door.
/r/seduction08/07/11 04:33 AM
1

I recommend The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook. And Feeling Good by David Burns if you are sad/depressed/angry/etc.
/r/seduction08/07/11 04:00 AM
4

Most Asian women are 21 until one day around 45, they're 90.
/r/seduction08/07/11 03:36 AM
3

In a 1:1 convo, the leader/alpha will hold eye contact when speaking, and break it periodically when the other guy is speaking. Welcome to being an adult male - you get to play animal dominance games with other males for the rest of your life.
/r/seduction06/07/11 05:32 PM
1

And you'll see a tall alpha bachelor living there, banging all of the wives. With luck, one day that'll be me.
/r/seduction04/07/11 12:19 AM
1

The reader is responsible for how the info is used. You can use it to manipulate others in dark ways, or you can use it defensively to recognize and counter others trying to do so to you.
/r/seduction02/07/11 09:19 PM
2

Well said. We all communicate on multiple levels; I think AoS uses the word 'victim' sort of playfully and ironically. Like with hypnosis: in seduction you can't make another person do something they don't want to do - but you can help them do something they do want to do. You can "lead them astray" of their social conditioning, logical inhibitions, etc to fulfill their subconscious desires. Most AFCs are offended by this simply because they don't know how to do it.
/r/seduction02/07/11 08:55 PM
4

Beneath the mass market sugar coating, I think Burns goes almost as far as Greene - men need to lead women through a specific emotional pattern - often despite pretend anti-slut resistance - to get laid. It's not immoral or sociopathic to effectively play a game invented and expected by women.
/r/seduction02/07/11 07:15 PM
39

Drunk club sluts love this one.
/r/seduction01/07/11 08:00 PM
1

Actually in America it seems the most rediculously over-confident, self-promoting assholes tend to get the hottest girls. Looks pretty hard to go too far. I agree you need to stay outcome independent though.
/r/seduction29/06/11 06:39 AM
7

Cold approach.
/r/seduction25/06/11 06:17 PM
1

Genuinely not feeling emotion comes off as dominant. Suppressing emotion comes off as scared-nice-guy. Girls can tell the difference.
/r/seduction16/06/11 05:59 AM
1

I will qualify this a bit: gain power in something that attracts women you want to attract. Yoga is a lot better than semiconductor design.
/r/seduction16/06/11 05:52 AM
1

FWIW as an introvert I prefer girls who can carry most of the conversation, as long as they are reasonably smart about it. It's exhausting to carry a 2 hr conversation by myself.
/r/seduction14/06/11 04:58 PM
1

Agreed but seduction skills are not exactly something most of your family/friends/coworkers will nurture.
/r/seduction14/06/11 09:05 AM
4

Dude, well done. Stop the negative self-talk - you just got laid.
/r/seduction14/06/11 08:55 AM
1

It was poking fun at NLP which is basically a (scientifically discredited but still pretty effective) way to embed subconscious commands. "I don't know if you found it funny too, but sometimes good jokes make me feel so warm and tingly, deeply inside, like there's an intense energy just waiting to come out, and you know in that moment that it's fantastic to be sharing that feeling with the right person, dropping the masks that we use to hide from the world and being so totally open -- feeling so…
/r/seduction09/06/11 03:04 AM
1

I really loved reading his stuff too, but, it hasn't helped me much real-time, in the field. Too abstract/advanced I guess.
/r/seduction08/06/11 05:43 AM
1

Agree and amplify is good. But I prefer ignore and distract: "haha yeah, hey, do you think Justin Bieber is hot?". Denies her attempt to control the frame.
/r/seduction08/06/11 04:31 AM
2

Sometimes girls want to slum it. Unless you are actually getting mugged/shot at, it's only a big deal if you make it a big deal. Jeffy pulled like 38 chicks into that filthy, shitty-ass van.
/r/seduction08/06/11 04:05 AM
1

That is solid game earlier on, but dude, once she's at your house and ready to go.. the tactics have served their purpose and can take a brief pause for sexy-fun-time.
/r/seduction07/06/11 03:51 AM
1

"If I work hard and get rich, girls will finally like me!" is a pattern that alphas use to enslave beta provider males.
/r/seduction05/06/11 07:41 PM
3

kind of boss to turn her down. Nope, I have done my fair share of that, and I have to call him out on it. Turning down a girl that's obviously ready/willing/able to f-close is almost always a bad idea, indicates anxiety or weakness on your part, and makes her feel rejected. She is probably sobbing with her girlfriends asking "why doesn't he find me attractive?"
/r/seduction05/06/11 03:44 AM
1

"Hey baby, wanna churro?"
/r/seduction05/06/11 01:40 AM
2

Through excessive fear of risk, many die without having lived.
/r/seduction04/06/11 08:11 PM
1

No one labeled you; you self-identified with this thread. I think you should consider reading Intimate Connections by David Burns with an open mind.
/r/seduction04/06/11 07:57 PM
1

It's probably effective, but yeah, Roissy seems to get off on power and control more than sex.
/r/seduction04/06/11 07:46 AM
2

Well said man.
/r/seduction04/06/11 05:31 AM
-1

Pickup - done properly - is a gift to the woman. You are working your ass off to give her an experience she will never have with a beta Herb.
/r/seduction04/06/11 05:27 AM
1

How many is a "a lot" - no bullshit?
/r/seduction04/06/11 05:22 AM
11

I think this is a form of female insecurity - she may still be a virgin. You probably need to provide more comfort. She needs to feel you "get" her as a human being and aren't going to disappear the next day. But deep inside she still really wants a guy to push through and open up the sexual part of her world - so she doesn't feel left behind vs her friends. I find dark/manipulative game borderline-immoral on girls like this. If you don't - watch Cruel Intentions and try that.
/r/seduction04/06/11 04:56 AM
1

Most girls don't really care if you have shit furniture or a shit apartment, by the time they see it, they've already decided to bone you. Make sure the bathroom is clean enough for semiconductor fabrication though.
/r/seduction03/06/11 05:13 AM
3

One of the best parts of the book.
/r/seduction02/06/11 06:03 PM
3

"It's not the same as in person" pretty much means "Do me now" Go read The Book of Pook's Womanese sections, they're great.
/r/seduction02/06/11 05:57 PM
1

"If I come to LA, the consequences will never be the same"
/r/seduction02/06/11 07:09 AM
1

Well, thinking she's higher value (b/c she's "famous"), obsessing about something she said, and hoping she doesn't see your seddit post, comes off as weak, needy, outcome-dependent female behavior. It is not the right state-of-mind to be in around a girl you want to game. I think you need to build self-confidence with some other girls first if you really want this one.
/r/seduction02/06/11 06:52 AM
3

Dude, you are one-itising this girl. Fuck being internet famous. Read the sidebar and game her like any other girl. And - go meet ten other girls and return to Ms. Jessi Slaughter in a couple weeks when you're less into her.
/r/seduction02/06/11 06:36 AM
1

That's exactly how one of my best friends picked up his future wife in HS. How he knew instinctively to do all of that at age 17 - beats me.
/r/seduction02/06/11 05:39 AM
2

Haters gon' hate, but I upvoated simply because you might be studying math.
/r/seduction01/06/11 04:36 AM
2

I never said anything about exclusivity. But yeah, MFA's tastes do not fit every guy, or even many guys. I love the fact that somewhere in socal, there's a fat guy in a shitty t-shirt banging an HB10 while an AFCs wonders "how? he doesn't have a $2000 suit and a BMW like me?!"
/r/seduction31/05/11 07:51 AM
-1

No, not really. We are not all rich NYC gay dudes. MFA <-- No love.
/r/seduction31/05/11 02:25 AM
1

I'm just saying 100% honesty is a limitation in the game. For anything cool I do, somebody can invent a better-sounding lie. Make it a really rediculous lie and girls give extra credit - it becomes teasing.
/r/seduction31/05/11 02:17 AM
1

I have a major sticking point with this. But the truth is that if you properly entertain the HBs, they will abandon Hercules, and there isn't jack shit he can do about it. Most girls will select social intelligence over physical strength. Tool the Brute non-aggressively; "Hey man, I bet you're great at lifiting cars!" or whatever. The girls will know what's going on.
/r/seduction30/05/11 07:29 PM
2

Because thousands of guys are lying their asses off to girls, and that makes them more entertaining than you.
/r/seduction30/05/11 06:37 PM
3

Women don't love providers, they enslave and exploit them them, with the bare minimum amount of sex, to pay for kids fathered by exciting alpha males.
/r/seduction29/05/11 07:16 PM
1

"I'll make it up to you" implies you did something wrong, when in fact, it's entirely her loss for not spending time with your Royal Super Awesomeness. I agree with "Radio Silence" guy: withdraw your attention for a couple days; never, ever "promise" her stuff after she ignores you. Especially not within a couple hrs of the original text. High value guys don't even have time to tell random girls what they're doing. Let her infer that you made other plans. Every unsolicited text that a girl recei…
/r/seduction28/05/11 04:44 AM
1

The problem for nerds is that in science/math/engineering/etc confidence is inversely correlated, or at least weakly correlated, with competence. You can be all like "yeah world, I am the bomb!" but it won't make the objective universe any more cooperative. Obligatory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect After a while you expect everything (including women) to behave the same way, and get confused or resent them when they don't.
/r/seduction27/05/11 05:31 PM
5

I don't think he's trolling man, there are a lot of people like that..
/r/seduction27/05/11 05:29 PM
3

Sadly it's about 100 active PUAs and 23,900 chodes living vicariously through them. Please, someone, think of the poor chodes.
/r/seduction27/05/11 05:09 PM
3

I'd imagine dancing there still provides a sexual charge though, no? I mean, if you're doing it right :)
/r/seduction25/05/11 04:23 AM
1

I also only go to bars/clubs to dance, not to meet men. heh, WTF? Dancing is basically a female sexual display
/r/seduction25/05/11 02:44 AM
12

Not really, I've found that at least in LA, the higher the HB index, the lower the humility and self-respect.
/r/seduction25/05/11 02:40 AM
1

This guy's my fucking hero.
/r/seduction24/05/11 07:10 AM
5

I always smirk when girls ask for advice on seddit. Men learned seduction partly by observing how women seduce men. You can spend a lifetime perfecting it, but seduction is really just a few major patterns: Hot/cold & push/pull. Give him some very cryptic hint of sexual interest, then treat him like a platonic friend. Switch back and forth unpredictably. Jealousy. Tell him about this great guy you just met, how he makes you feel so alive, etc. False scarcity. Take longer to call him back. I find…
/r/seduction24/05/11 06:45 AM
3

Those are the best I've found. You do have to actually put in the work and do the exercises they suggest. But if you've worked through all 3 of those without making much progress - I am going to agree with Tofu, and recommend trying a professional therapist.
/r/seduction22/05/11 03:43 PM
2

Like 3-4 nights, and maybe 8 day game sessions. Obviously I know I need a lot more in-field practice, but knowing doesn't help with the social anxiety.
/r/seduction22/05/11 03:35 PM
2

It does seem a bit scammy to me.
/r/seduction22/05/11 03:32 PM
2

These days: say iPhone. Chicks love whatever is thrust onto them with a $100M marketing effort.
/r/seduction22/05/11 08:14 AM
1

Not really. If you are sufficiently alpha -- women do approach. Justin Bieber has like 50,000 teenage girls throwing themselves at him at every concert. When I saw Mark Zuckerberg giving a speech, the number of hot Asian chicks "accidentally" showing him a little bit of extra skin was almost unbelievable to see in real life. I guess we are all driven by our genes.
/r/seduction22/05/11 07:39 AM
1

all the PUA material you read on here, it's about women. None of it is going to be much help with men. Disagree. Many of the seduction tactics described here were adapted from what women do to men. Push/Pull is known to every 5th grade girl as Hot/Cold. "Flipping the script", as they say, is solid game.
/r/seduction22/05/11 07:36 AM
1

no point in risking losing attraction with small talk over text Yes, exactly. Better to seem cold than to have her misinterpret some shit.
/r/seduction22/05/11 07:02 AM
4

Yes, absolutely, out of 30+ books, I wish I had read that first. He pretty much figured out everything 15 years prior to the Internet PUA scene.
/r/seduction22/05/11 06:44 AM
2

Well, first I want to get to the point where I can cold approach and ask random people for the time reliably. Like, five times in one day, without losing my shit. I'm making progress but pretty slowly.
/r/seduction22/05/11 06:14 AM
5

Dude, you'll be fine, plenty of guys don't figure out girls until their early 20s.
/r/seduction22/05/11 03:22 AM
11

Yup, well said. I think most of the posts/FRs on seddit are from guys who are a lot further along than most of the readers/lurkers. I've been meaning to start a thread about serious social anxiety. Like, when you are afraid to go into a grocery store alone, etc. When Day 1 of the Stylelife Challenge is just way too much. There are millions of people like this, we are not freaks, and there are well-tested, effective ways to improve over time if you want it badly enough.
/r/seduction22/05/11 01:21 AM
24

Dude, exactly. My only regret is that I have but one upboat to give. I read a ton of PUA material over the past 2 years, and most of it just made me more depressed, because I felt too screwed up to implement it. Eventually I realized I needed to work through the social anxiety/depression/self-esteem issues first. 'Feeling Good' by David Burns, 'The Anxiety & Phobia Workbook', etc. Basically I'm going to just keep working at it until I Get This Shit Handled. I guess these resources are targetting…
/r/seduction22/05/11 12:59 AM
1

I agree with you, but working out can improve your brain chemistry decreasing anxiety/depression/negativity/etc, and that certainly can help you w/ women.
/r/seduction20/05/11 05:52 PM
1

Because he has to be, to out-game 6'3" naturals.
/r/seduction20/05/11 10:08 AM
2

Looks matter far less to women than they do to men. Frankly I would rather watch porn than invest 4+ hours seducing an ugly/fat chick. But most girls will accept powerful, socially aware men, even if they are not physically attractive.
/r/seduction20/05/11 10:02 AM
4

Ironically, people with Autism/Aspergers are often very easy for Normals to read. They are emotionally transparent b/c they are not deceptive enough to mask their feelings from the world in real time. This is why they often get tooled/bullied by assholes. Starting a spiral of social anxiety, isolation, depression, etc, from a young age.
/r/seduction19/05/11 05:34 AM
1

I've had friends with Aspergers who had girlfriends. Are they rich? (it helped Zuck) the lack of emotions is often in fact an attracting factor for women. Well, emotional intelligence (about the girl) combined with emotional mastery (of yourself) is attractive. Emotional retardation from autism/Aspergers is a massive challenge when it comes to attracting women. Not impossible, but it takes a lot of work to overcome. It's like helping someone land a jet aircraft when you've never even seen a plan…
/r/seduction19/05/11 05:24 AM
1

What? You should game them constantly. It does not turn off evarz.
/r/seduction19/05/11 05:06 AM
1

Upvoted despite the odious "be yourself" advice. Better to make yourself into what works.
/r/seduction19/05/11 05:01 AM
1

Keep at it man, success is the best revenge. Although cutting her brake lines 10 years from now is a decent backup plan.
/r/seduction19/05/11 04:51 AM
1

Oh, dude. Internet man-hug. You will get plenty of good advice here. Mine is simple: never directly tell a girl you like her. It tips your hand and destroys her fun. She wants a guy moderately out of her league, that she has to go through a pattern of positive and negative emotions -- with an uncertain outcome -- to get. Game is all about creating this experience for her.
/r/seduction17/05/11 04:23 PM
3

Downvote away, but I think MFA is run by spoiled, closet-gay east coast hipsters employed by the fashion industry. The guy wearing a $10 14" black rubber dildo on his head is always going to get more female attention than the guy wearing a $2k suit.
/r/seduction17/05/11 04:25 AM
1

Stupid people don't realize they are stupid, and thus can have very high confidence. Basically: women are primally attracted to a trait that is inversely correlated with intelligence.
/r/seduction17/05/11 04:03 AM
1

she’s not the type of person who would be into anything knowingly short term. Women are usually way more open to sex than they let on. The only reliable way to find out if a girl will have casual sex with you, is to guide her toward having casual sex with you. If she clearly resists, you stop, otherwise, you constantly move toward the close. I wish I had realized this and acted on it in high school, but as they say, youth is wasted on the young.
/r/seduction17/05/11 03:32 AM
2

just pretend like you didn't hear Nice. That is a tight, non-obvious, non-reactive way to tool the guy.
/r/seduction17/05/11 03:25 AM
1

I have mixed thoughts on this too, but it seems best to not have your wealth be a significant part of the attraction in her subconscious mind. Even when you are totally cool about it and not using it to show off - the girl may still be very affected by it, and "provider-zone" you. You can't control or predict her reaction - so you have to control how you present yourself. It might be alright if you're extremely alpha in other ways (rockstar, actor, etc). But if you're a rich computer nerd rAFC -…
/r/seduction14/05/11 10:21 PM
2

Great work and great FR.
/r/seduction14/05/11 08:28 PM
1

Eh? Maybe she's just not into you. It doesn't mean you screwed up.
/r/seduction14/05/11 04:00 AM
1

-- This gentleman gives me hope.
/r/seduction14/05/11 03:47 AM
1

Dunno why you're getting the downboat. That's a legit concern. Hide the wealth. Live in a modest apt, drive a toyota, etc. If you are rich enough, and for some reason really want expensive shit when you're not gaming, you can have a separate ghetto apt/car/etc for game. Or use hotels/rental cars.
/r/seduction14/05/11 03:14 AM
1

Respectfully man, there's a circular relationship b/t women and your confidence/self-esteem/inner game. It's a long term "fix inner game a little bit, get some tiny success with women, fix inner game some more, get some more success" process. 6 months of solitude meditating about all my fucked up personal shit in Tibet will not make me an mPUA. Basically I agree with all of your advice except "Forget pickup for now". I think immediate field experience w/ women is a key part of the solution.
/r/seduction14/05/11 02:35 AM
53

It's sexual tension. Build that shit up, don't diffuse it.
/r/seduction13/05/11 06:18 PM
2

I think he spent all/most of his life as a beta chode and now overcompensates for his own amusement.
/r/seduction13/05/11 06:41 AM
1

Upvoted. I get a semi reading this list.
/r/seduction13/05/11 06:40 AM
14

Not to be negative, but that builds no attraction or comfort in the girl, and so when you call her, she's likely to either flake, or just try to exploit you for non-sexual entertainment/fun.
/r/seduction13/05/11 04:29 AM
1

Well, they say most girls are bi. But I think men are way more attracted to womens' lips than vice versa.
/r/seduction10/05/11 07:25 AM
2

full lips show that this person knows how to find food Also, they're sort of like a sideways vagina.
/r/seduction10/05/11 07:14 AM
0

I'm not sure evolution has trained the female mind to differentiate yet. Sheesh.
/r/seduction10/05/11 07:12 AM
2

I am sad to see physical bookstores going tits-up. I met some cool girls there..
/r/seduction09/05/11 04:20 AM
1

It is not as calculating as the jargon (or even techniques) might suggest. It is if you're an Aspie/INTJ. I think inner game can go suck a nut; the scripted, highly algorithmic MM stuff works best for me.
/r/seduction09/05/11 02:51 AM
2

brilliant and rational but also emotional/intuitive Good luck on that one.
/r/seduction08/05/11 07:24 PM
3

Nice work man
/r/seduction08/05/11 07:21 PM
1

Exactly. The script exists to get you locked into the set. I think inner game/natural game is totally insufficient for n00bs. You can fix my state and all of my emotional problems but I still won't know what to say to girls. I heard one guy open with his lactose intolerance last night..
/r/seduction08/05/11 05:27 AM
2

Another problem is that women can fake photos but you can't really fake the X hours of conversation you'll need to invest to potentially get a meeting. In real life you can accurately check out the goods before you bid.
/r/seduction07/05/11 04:22 AM
1

Science/Tech/Engineering/Math
/r/seduction06/05/11 09:16 AM
3

-- Why STEM girls almost always prefer guys outside of STEM. Talking shop engages her logical mind and pretty much destroys a seduction. Save that shit for after you've chemically bonded.
/r/seduction06/05/11 04:08 AM
1

I'm sure you disagree, but I think it's risky to talk explicitly about attraction, even in a cocky/funny way. May break her disney fantasy/trigger ASD. At some point some marginally attracted girl is gonna reply "Whatever. I'm not" and then crank up her bitch shield.
/r/seduction06/05/11 03:57 AM
1

a woman thinks with her hampster. FTFY.
/r/seduction05/05/11 06:47 AM
3

I think intelligence helps with comfort building. It is worthless w/o confidence though.
/r/seduction05/05/11 06:36 AM
1

Well, social anxiety is a motherfucker. Progress is really really slow at first. It took me like 4 months to walk into a gym alone. Couple months to open 5 random strangers, followed by a 6 month relapse where I couldn't open anyone, etc.
/r/seduction03/05/11 02:49 AM
2

The "deferred life plan" is indeed bullshit. If I could do it over again I'd learn to pick up chicks when I was 16, because they don't get any easier or hotter over time.
/r/seduction03/05/11 02:41 AM
1

Dunno why you're getting downvoted, in my experience cruises are often just guys and fat/old chicks. HB9s usually don't need or want to pay $5k+ for casual sex.
/r/seduction03/05/11 02:32 AM
2

Well, maybe I misunderstood your post. I thought you were saying the seddit locator is all AFCs. Not that all AFCs have AA. Anyway, I agree that AA probably never goes away, but I bet it's a lot more manageable for Mystery than your average sedditor. You need to just plow through until you subconscious mind learns that a jock doesn't crush your skull every time a girl is mean/rejects you.
/r/seduction30/04/11 07:17 AM
1

Probably. Art imitating life though. I found Adam fascinating. That guy had fucking ice cold, calculated Scarface game.
/r/seduction30/04/11 05:50 AM
1

-- Over-generalization & limiting belief. Finding a wing is like finding an HB. You have to just keep trying until you find one that fits your style and skillset. And, if a guy sucks, but is making a genuine effort to improve, you should at least try to leave him better than you found him. The world would be a better place if guys helped each other the way girls do.
/r/seduction30/04/11 05:46 AM
1

Try the 'seddit locator' on the sidebar. I'm in the SFV but probably not far enough along to be a decent wing yet. Fucking epic AA :(
/r/seduction30/04/11 03:54 AM
1

Actually you can. There are some girls that need to be broken down emotionally as part of the seduction. It's not widely discussed on seddit but sometimes dark game works best. Watch first couple eps of The Real World - Vegas to see this in effect.
/r/seduction30/04/11 03:43 AM
1

Does she know? If not are you planning to tell her?
/r/seduction30/04/11 03:38 AM
1

There are multiple ways to get lots of men: have high value, and ask a high price, or have low value and ask a low price. The fact that your fat friend gets a lot of men doesn't mean guys are OK with fat chicks. It just means we'll bang one occasionally if it's easy enough.
/r/seduction30/04/11 03:17 AM
2

For attracting straight guys, looks trump personality. There are plenty of hot messes surviving-and-replicating. Just visit any major city: Los Angeles, Miami, etc. So as a girl, the best thing you can do is work on your appearance. For guys it's more or less the opposite: personality ahead of everything else. There are physically attractive, rich, intelligent guys who have trouble with women. And unemployed bikers who get laid like rockstars. Guys pretty much have to game a girl for 8 hours or …
/r/seduction30/04/11 02:59 AM
1

"If you have it, you don't need it. If you need it, you don't have it."
/r/seduction30/04/11 02:52 AM
3

Good work man but sounds like you need to escalate sexually.
/r/seduction30/04/11 02:46 AM
1

Nice FR. Thanks for using the ISO Y-M-d format.
/r/seduction28/04/11 07:00 AM
2

Early on I would consider this a shit-test. Deflect and proceed. Waiting to respond so you don't seem to into me? "Nope, just been busy" telling her how into her I am In my experience that almost never ends well. It destroys her fun of slowly seducing a guy slightly outside her league.
/r/seduction28/04/11 02:49 AM
8

Yeah, WTF, I smell a bit of BS on that. No way her friend would just sit there quietly the whole time without either trying to get involved, or trying to stop it. That's just strange.
/r/seduction27/04/11 05:18 AM
3

Error: HB designator requires a number.
/r/seduction24/04/11 07:14 PM
1

Fair enough man. My bitterness is a pretty serious issue that I am trying to work through. Being logically aware of it doesn't make it go away though.
/r/seduction24/04/11 06:57 PM
1

Awesome summary, thanks.
/r/seduction24/04/11 05:46 AM
1

Also a solid bullshitter.
/r/seduction24/04/11 05:44 AM
1

Look, to be really good at something, in the top 100 in the world, you need to work your ass off. I can either work my ass off as, say, a computer scientist, or I can work on game. The two are nearly the exact opposite of each other in terms of helping me attract hot girls. That is what pisses me off -- my life pursuit is compromising my life. Whereas, if you are, say, a Barista, your life pursuit naturally makes you attractive to most women and you get laid like a rockstar with minimal effort, …
/r/seduction24/04/11 12:48 AM
3

Basically: girls decide if they're out of your league by reading your behavior to see if you think they are. They have no objective reality.
/r/seduction23/04/11 06:51 PM
1

I'm sure that's a major problem for him.
/r/seduction23/04/11 06:43 PM
1

I didn't downvote you. If you're making an effort to get out there - right on -that's what seddit is all about. Saying that introversion is just an "excuse" pissed me off though. It's a pretty serious challenge, maybe more so for others than for you.
/r/seduction23/04/11 06:30 PM
1

I am still bitter that "sales guys" are naturally attractive to your average American woman, while most STEMs guys are naturally repulsive, and have to take time to learn game to "fix" their "problem". I've actually pondered taking two years off to work on my game. I am near the top of my field, but of course that is worthless to women, and I have to work my ass off to e-mail close a random HB6, while the jocks who will be tending a bar in a year are pulling HB9s effortlessly. It's completely fu…
/r/seduction23/04/11 06:16 PM
2

If you're serious about fixing this: your mission is to go to a public place and do 3 cold approaches. Hold the conversation as long as you can; 30 seconds is fine. It's OK if they're all guys, grandmothers, whatever. If you approach repeatedly, I promise it will reduce your social anxiety over time. It's working for me, I'm just not doing it enough :-\
/r/seduction23/04/11 06:08 PM
1

I've been there man. The only way to dig out is to become a bit extroverted. If you want something (pool party, drinking beer with friends, whatever), don't wait for somebody else to suggest it; set it up yourself. Ironically most extroverts are followers.
/r/seduction23/04/11 05:45 PM
3

Day game man. Live it, learn it, love it.
/r/seduction23/04/11 05:45 AM
1

That's pretty much what I just did, aside from a few brief commercial transactions. Combine introversion with a Judging personality FTW. Women dig it!
/r/seduction23/04/11 05:41 AM
8

Spoken like a natural extrovert who's never been there.
/r/seduction23/04/11 05:35 AM
5

You were a mild introvert then. Serious introverts don't have friends calling them. Hell, man, many introverts don't have friends. And they never/rarely get bored being alone; instead it refreshes them. But now that every 300 pound American girl demands an endless string of entertaining Hollywood flings instead of a stable provider, introverts are being cluster-nuked in the dating game. In two generations the USA will have no more scientists and engineers and nobody outside the military will kno…
/r/seduction23/04/11 05:24 AM
2

Spend a couple hours with her (playing pool, whatever). Never indicate interest outright/verbally, but escalate kino. Tease, push-pull. Let her think she's slowly seducing a guy just slightly out of her league; that's her fun, and her thrill of the chase.
/r/seduction19/04/11 09:11 AM
1

You already know the problem: failure to escalate. Try 2-3 days of no contact, then invite her over and just go for it man! Girls want you to guide them through LMR.
/r/seduction18/04/11 01:25 AM
-3

Consider not telling her. "Business trip" or whatever. Sometimes that is the best move for both parties.
/r/seduction18/04/11 01:14 AM
1

IMO the only 100% satisfying way out of this mindset is to drive 50+ miles away, and GFTOW until you get it out of your system. If you want to go back to your LTR after that -- you will go back knowing it was your decision, not something you "had" to do because it was "right".
/r/seduction18/04/11 12:20 AM
1

Once every 7-8 days creates T-max from what I've read. I would bet most AFCs here are doing it a lot more than that.
/r/seduction17/04/11 07:37 PM
-1

Playfully: "I don't know yet".
/r/seduction17/04/11 07:00 PM
6

Or spank it, but don't cum.
/r/seduction17/04/11 06:45 PM
3

If a girl feels good at the time, she doesn't care how or why. There is no logic involved at all. I've always wanted to run ultra-stale 2004 game in LA clubs and see if I ever get called out by a girl. As an experiment for Science. "Hey, who lies more? Men or women?". muhah.
/r/seduction17/04/11 06:08 PM
4

Didn't mean it in a negative way. But female beauty is inherently worthless, except to the extent that guys value it. Does it build space shuttles? cure diseases? Solve the major problems of our time. Nope. So like they say: "no special privs".
/r/seduction17/04/11 05:29 PM
2

Dunno why you're getting downboated. Positive reinforcement is valid game.
/r/seduction17/04/11 02:49 AM
41

It sounds like you may be basing some of your happiness and self-worth on how hot this girl is. That is not good man. Don't put the kitty on a pedestal.
/r/seduction17/04/11 01:40 AM
2

Do it non-verbally. Talk about something completely innocent while escalating kino. ASD runs in the logical part of her brain. Say nothing sexual, and kino at the right pace, and it probably won't activate.
/r/seduction16/04/11 10:00 PM
1

Then ask em if they'll suck your dong. If I didn't have such bad AA, I would actually try that in the first 3-4 mins with HB5s until it worked. Just For Science.
/r/seduction16/04/11 05:42 AM
2

With some girls, over a couple dates you can use a sort of phase locked loop to approximate how late she's going to be, and then get into near-perfect alignment. Just sayin.
/r/seduction15/04/11 08:56 PM
2

Because you're a human?
/r/seduction15/04/11 07:59 PM
1

Girls love smart guys. Over-generalization. Some smart girls prefer smart guys. Your friend failed because he established less rapport than you with that specific chick.
/r/seduction15/04/11 06:20 PM
1

You start triggering a nesting instinct in the woman. Yup. Betas take on debt to buy expensive shit to impress women, while the truly alpha guys hide their wealth. OP should not have done the brewery tour on a second date.
/r/seduction15/04/11 06:08 PM
1

Logistics are tough after college -- simply finding attractive girls in your age range takes work. Only certain kinds of girls go to bars and clubs after their early 20s. Many high value girls simply disappear to start families, etc. Your only chance to game them, then, is 2 minutes in a grocery store line. And at that point they want a lot more in exchange for sex than they did as a curious 19 year old.
/r/seduction15/04/11 04:40 PM
2

Jesus, I wish I was that good in high school.
/r/seduction15/04/11 01:10 AM
1

Well, I have massive social anxiety, I can only bring myself to cold approach like once every couple weeks.
/r/seduction15/04/11 12:05 AM
1

Made it to day 4ish. I e-mail closed a girl, but she flaked. How about you?
/r/seduction14/04/11 11:51 PM
3

WTH, I will give it a shot again. Not everybody can do this in 30 days though.
/r/seduction14/04/11 11:33 PM
1

I agree with you about Leroy being the natural alpha, and Adam's behavior not working on new girls. Nonetheless Adam ends up controlling the social group until the hotel throws him out. I think the other girls in the house are neutral at best (either out of fear, or to support Nany), and the 2 AFC guys just mirror the girls. Leroy is powerless to fix the situation and I think the other roommates actually resent him for opposing Adam.
/r/seduction14/04/11 10:50 PM
1

Watch the first couple episodes of the show. Basically Adam is this psycho guy who gets wasted, punches walls, breaks glasses and shit, brings random girls back from clubs to bang in front of the girl he's trying to seduce, and generally shows as little respect for everyone else as possible. And his target is drawn to it like a car crash. In short it seems his tactics generated more attraction, more quickly, than normal game. Your classic bad boy. There is a physically and mentally alpha dude na…
/r/seduction14/04/11 10:19 PM
1

Me too. I love it, except that it's probably the least naturally attractive type to women.
/r/seduction14/04/11 10:18 PM
2

I'm more or less permanently stuck on day 3-4.
/r/seduction14/04/11 10:13 PM
5

Don't knock it till you try it.
/r/seduction14/04/11 10:10 PM
1

I'm usually in fight-or-flight mode due to the massive AA, and can't think rationally or apply theory in real time. So, basically, after-the-fact I use the various theories to recognize and try to correct mistakes. It is not exactly a fast process for an INTJ. It makes me hate naturals.
/r/seduction14/04/11 07:40 PM
2

don't think it's different for me just because I'm in college. The real world is much, much harder. College is milk-and-honey man, enjoy it while you can.
/r/seduction14/04/11 05:50 AM
1

Well, I wish him the best. After 1000 approaches I figured some girl would have just given him random/pity sex.
/r/seduction14/04/11 04:57 AM
2

WTF then? Korean girls should be all over that. Is he reading them engineering textbooks in the club or something?
/r/seduction14/04/11 04:45 AM
2

If he's a first-world white dude in korea, there is no way he's failed 1000 times in a row.
/r/seduction14/04/11 04:35 AM
3

Agreed. OTOH, for some guys it is damn hard to avoid becoming a theory junkie. I read something like 60 books over the course of 2 years before I finally walked into a bar on my own, scared out of my mind and in a cold sweat. Fucking lizard brain: why u no learn from books?
/r/seduction14/04/11 04:01 AM
5

Agreed man. A useful FR reads like "I am a short ugly bastard who just plowed my way to a ONS in 4 hours with a girl way out of my league". Not "I am a 21 year old guy who just got a nearly free lay". Enjoy the freebies while they last though.
/r/seduction14/04/11 03:16 AM
1

shocked (!) to learn in later life that all those 'nice' men were subtly hitting on her. Obligatory: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/3895433/pov-hot-girl
/r/seduction14/04/11 02:50 AM
1

Well, I am pretty much an expert at the latter. I communicate in facts, not emotions. Great for my day job but doesn't do much for women obviously.
/r/seduction13/04/11 04:50 PM
1

I am a bitter nerd, so not really. Any true story I'd tell wouldn't attract them. So I use bullshit stories I cribbed from guys that are attractive. Hey, fake it till you make it, right?
/r/seduction13/04/11 05:31 AM
5

Well said.
/r/seduction13/04/11 05:19 AM
1

I agree with you in the abstract, but you still have to decide who to game. Spoiled chicks are rarely worth the energy.
/r/seduction12/04/11 10:28 PM
6

You shot her in the face? What, too soon?
/r/seduction12/04/11 10:23 PM
2

I think maybe you were too light on the kino early on, and your willingness to keep providing (your time, dinner, etc) with not much in return friend-zoned you in her mind. And you became just a chill guy to pass some time with.
/r/seduction12/04/11 09:56 PM
2

Dinner is a reward for sex, not the other way around.
/r/seduction12/04/11 09:47 PM
-1

Social conditioning is not an excuse. Nothing wrong with judging spoiled little princesses.
/r/seduction12/04/11 09:39 PM
3

Rich guys and hot girls - using each other since pre-history!
/r/seduction12/04/11 09:35 PM
1

Well said man.
/r/seduction11/04/11 11:33 PM
1

Being an INTJ I feel like BPD was way too long for the amount of actionable info it contains. And too inner-game-centric. I am pretty skeptical that any book or video can significantly improve a random AFC's inner game. I rejected most of BPD as way outside my reality when I watched it. Whereas, Jeffy spends a lot of time talking about how he was a drunken loser with a shit job and fucked up childhood who banged rediculously fat chicks, who dug himself out and created a decent life, and in a dep…
/r/seduction11/04/11 10:59 PM
2

I guess I'll write the dissenting opinion. The Jeffy Show is better IMO, very amusing stories mixed with good tactical advice. BPD is more like a giant pep talk with Tyler screaming "Feel Good! Be Happy!" at random for 20 hours, like he's trying to start a cult but not quite sure how.
/r/seduction11/04/11 07:04 PM
13

Bit too negative for your average HB6-8 IMO.
/r/seduction11/04/11 06:35 PM
1

As soon as possible? This early in the process, waiting is for pussies.
/r/seduction08/04/11 09:25 AM
11

Yeah but there are guys that virtually every girl will think is odd. They're called redditors.
/r/seduction06/04/11 04:58 AM
2

Either way. I guess we should be out hitting on women ourselves.
/r/seduction05/04/11 04:54 PM
2

Not really. Ugly, ballsy guys get more pussy than good looking pansies.
/r/seduction05/04/11 04:51 PM
3

numbers game.
/r/seduction05/04/11 04:48 PM
1

Plus One for Intimate Connections. That book can replace most of the stuff written since.
/r/seduction05/04/11 01:24 AM
1

Not really. If I can look and behave exactly like The Situation there are millions of dumb Snookie-wannabes who will bang me. If I am a world class computer scientist that's afraid to talk to women, there are essentially zero women who will willingly bang me.
/r/seduction23/03/11 03:35 AM
1

Not really. If I can look and behave exactly like The Situation there are millions of dumb Snookies who will bang me. If I am a world class computer scientist that's afraid to talk to women, there are essentially zero women who will bang me.
/r/seduction23/03/11 03:34 AM
1

Not really. If I can look and behave exactly like The Situation there are millions of dumb Snookies who will bang me. If I am a world class computer scientist that's afraid to talk to women, there are essentially zero women who will bang me.
/r/seduction23/03/11 03:34 AM
1

Girls may not like that most confident guys aren't really confident, they're just bullshitting. The bullshitters make it harder for them to find a quality mate. So of course, they want to discourage bullshitters. The problem is, bullshit confidence is a lot more successful than genuine pansiness.
/r/seduction23/03/11 03:20 AM
2

At this point, pretty much everything I see here is a turnoff. Women hate hearing about what works. They keep hating it, and it keeps working. Lots of guys need to fake it for a while.
/r/seduction22/03/11 10:16 AM
16

But don't start with pussy if you're strangers!
/r/seduction21/03/11 01:03 AM
2

Details, details. It takes a lifetime to fully calibrate.
/r/seduction13/03/11 07:07 AM
1

Either way, 3% is still a lot of lying moms. If you're a guy you should always DNA test your kids.
/r/seduction11/03/11 03:48 AM
1

It can be a bit difficult knowing when and when not to pull out the higher education stuff. Not really. In America, with white women, AFAICT the answer is never. Mask your intelligence like it's fucking herpes, until you're already banging. In Asia, as a white male hitting on Asian chicks, probably better to show it up front. It's just cultural.
/r/seduction10/03/11 04:49 AM
1

Well, something like 30% of brothers who think they have the same biological father, actually don't. So I guess what he describes is pretty real. She doesn't have to bang random alphas every weekend, just once, at the right time. If I ever have kids (unlikely) I will DNA test them like 3 times at 3 different labs.
/r/seduction10/03/11 04:45 AM
4

Translation: Find a rich beta male sucker to pay for kids fathered by the jock alphas that seduce her. Or maybe I've just been reading too much Roissy lately.
/r/seduction09/03/11 09:20 AM
1

Which hurts if you're a guy who wants to master some specific intellectual area. You can spend thousands of hours on a physics PhD, but at the risk of losing your girlfriend to the guy who spends thousands of hours in a bar learning game.
/r/seduction09/03/11 09:10 AM
4

douche. With an o. They're not all German.
/r/seduction09/03/11 09:04 AM
10

And it feels fucking awesome! When I started doing this, there was a period where the sudden increase in directness/aggression horrified some friends and coworkers. Oh well, beats being a pansy for life.
/r/seduction06/03/11 11:03 PM
2

Awesome, but it needs to be said: Don't shit where you eat.
/r/seduction10/02/11 07:12 AM
2

Good luck with that. About as easy as finding a guy who doesn't like porn. Twilight was designed by an advanced alien race to enslave the female mind.
/r/seduction05/01/11 05:13 AM
3

+1 Fuck Text. Destroyer of attraction.
/r/seduction05/01/11 05:10 AM
2

Next her, or at least punish somehow. No female bullshit allowed. If you tolerate even a little bit, it's like letting Hitler invade Poland. Soon there be tanks all up in the Ardennes.
/r/seduction02/01/11 04:37 AM
1

I've used that a couple times, it's very sensitive to how it's delivered, and one girl got very creeped out/insulted. Not recommended for n00bz.
/r/seduction02/01/11 04:19 AM
7

When I started in mid 2009, I was so anti-social, cynical and negative that I hated myself and thoroughly repelled the 1-2 women a year who opened me. I hated that women went after unintelligent guys who emotionally manipulated them, instead of introverted math/science nerds like me. In 2010 I learned that women are what they are; to succeed, to some extent you have to play the game by the rules. At least, you can't be a cynical introverted asshole with no social skills. Women value men primaril…
/r/seduction02/01/11 02:08 AM
2

Whining is a beta move. Alphas love everything about their life, or effectively pretend to.
/r/seduction02/01/11 02:00 AM
1

Would be pretty rad if you did a "Meditation 101" post here.
/r/seduction02/01/11 01:56 AM
1

That's just cruel.
/r/seduction02/01/11 01:53 AM
1

Very few women (or men) form a first impression rationally. They exist but are exceptionally rare.
/r/seduction02/01/11 01:49 AM
1

I think you're missing the cause/effect relationship there -- you lose your desire for sex/money/etc because you've obtained it, and it's no longer a challenge. Self-actualization is the top of the maslow pyramid; not a separate pyramid.
/r/seduction02/01/11 01:46 AM
3

What makes you an expert? Most of the stuff here is field-tested, which is as close to applying the scientific method to pickup as we can get.
/r/seduction02/01/11 01:33 AM
1

never tell a girl he's in love with her before sleeping with her. Wish I had this advice between ages 1-28.
/r/seduction30/12/10 07:36 AM
5

Delete the gym, hit lawyers, facebook up.
/r/seduction30/12/10 07:33 AM
1

Agree on the affirmations: those had a slightly negative effect on me. The best resource I've found is "Intimate Connections" by David Burns, suggested by another sedditor. I'm working through that now, will post a summary soon. After a couple e-mail closes that led nowhere, I've regressed, and am back in book reading mode. :-\
/r/seduction28/12/10 09:43 PM
1

I don't think it belongs in the new to seddit post. FWIW I disagree. I think a large percent of new readers don't have the self-worth to cold approach the opposite sex. It is simply not possible in their reality. Unless we address that, seddit will continue to be 13,000 curious AFCs living vicariously through a few hundred PUAs.
/r/seduction28/12/10 01:59 AM
1

A link to depression/social anxiety resources would be nice. Some people reading seddit need to understand and start addressing issues there, before they can make progress in-field. Also, a decent wingman locator.
/r/seduction27/12/10 12:56 AM
3

Well, if you hit on me directly, I promise I'll try to be mean.
/r/seduction27/12/10 12:31 AM
1

You don't have to learn linearly. From time to time it's worth trying stuff way outside of your comfort zone .
/r/seduction26/12/10 08:03 AM
3

Guys like the concept of direct women, but when we actually experience it in field, it's more like "holy shit, what the fuck?". Wish it happened more often so I could calibrate.
/r/seduction26/12/10 06:51 AM
3

Most American girls have low or no self-esteem. Especially the ones in bars/clubs/etc. Respecting them leads to the friendzone and rarely generates attraction. Like they say -- don't hate the player, hate the game.
/r/seduction26/12/10 06:43 AM
4

Paraphrasing Robert Greene, seduction is the female form of war. Men learned it from women and use it to complement traditional male power: wealth, social standing, etc.
/r/seduction26/12/10 06:29 AM
3

WTF is a nimbus?
/r/seduction25/12/10 01:28 AM
3

OK, I'm about 80% keyboard jockey, but reading nothing is bad too. It took Mystery like 10 years to discover all this shit on his own, before there were decent books.
/r/seduction22/12/10 06:26 AM
1

You guys are such nerds. Carry on.
/r/seduction22/12/10 05:26 AM
1

You have to start probing the matrix somehow.
/r/seduction21/12/10 07:42 AM
2

I hope that HBs who treat shy guys rudely will some day reincarnate as shy guys. It takes a lot of courage to approach, at least respect the effort and be polite :P
/r/seduction21/12/10 07:27 AM
5

Never, EVER ask if you should get a condom. Weak, and likely to engage her logical mind and trigger LMR. Just grab one and put it on without her seeing, if possible. Eat her out/finger her first so she's less likely to object to it being Time To Pound.
/r/seduction21/12/10 07:11 AM
1

Check out Intimate Connections by David Burns. Somebody else on seddit recommended that, I'm reading it now and it's fantastic.
/r/seduction21/12/10 07:00 AM
1

No. Burn that fucking thing. No good can come from it.
/r/seduction21/12/10 06:56 AM
2

I'd recommend against questions you can't control the answer to. Lots of girls have stress/family fights/etc during the holidays.
/r/seduction21/12/10 06:45 AM
2

I had an HB7 flake on me over thanksgiving. It's really tough to keep them warm during a major holiday -- e-mail/text/phone/etc usually just end up destroying attraction. I am a world expert at creeping out girls I barely know in ways that I don't intend or even understand. I guess my advice is to setup a meeting right after the holiday, and then enter radio blackout. If some shit goes down with her family, or whatever, at least it won't be associated with you.
/r/seduction21/12/10 06:40 AM
1

heh, it's a study from the early 1970s about guys from various backgrounds coping with their mid-life "transition" (crisis). It's a fascinating read if you are working through inner game issues in your own life: Don't expect women/children to make you happy. For most guys, they are a mixed bag. An LTR is not going to fix all of your problems for you, and it creates new ones. Don't let your dreams slide away. Don't be consumed by your dream/ego/money/status/... Help/mentor others
/r/seduction20/12/10 06:26 PM
2

That is always true though. It's a market; you and/or the HB have to close the bid/ask spread somehow.
/r/seduction20/12/10 06:12 PM
13

But if you get maced: it was too soon.
/r/seduction20/12/10 04:34 AM
6

Get a room, you two.
/r/seduction20/12/10 01:51 AM
10

Not really. Inject second thoughts in her mind, and the BF's own flaws will finish him. Then it's your turn to disappoint her.
/r/seduction19/12/10 11:35 PM
2

It's old school Riker: http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/end/lre/710.html
/r/seduction19/12/10 11:14 PM
0

What?
/r/seduction19/12/10 09:40 PM
2

haha, classic. Girls have crazy egos too; by not asking she felt like you rejected her.. P.S. Throw out the xbox.
/r/seduction19/12/10 09:30 PM
2

First off.. congrats on getting a girl into your bed.. She may have needed more comfort. Not supplication, don't tell her you want to be her BF if you don't, just comfort her. Use the "3 rules" story or whatever. Your response seemed too reactive. You overplayed the freeze out and tried to hurt her. With LMR: If you get mad, you lose. If you beg for sex, you lose. If you ignore her emotions and keep escalating, you lose.. So say something very simple like "OK, I understand" and then go surf the …
/r/seduction19/12/10 08:59 PM
6

Bitches Be Crazy.
/r/seduction19/12/10 08:56 PM
3

I doubt this would work well in LA. At best, it will trigger provider game, where she delays sex until she figures out how rich you really are, and what kind of lifestyle she can get in exchange for the poon. Rich alphas try to hide their wealth. Or at least, don't flaunt it with women early on.
/r/seduction19/12/10 03:48 AM
3

HAIL TO THE CHIEF. GREAT POST WOULD READ AGAIN A+++++++++
/r/seduction18/12/10 08:58 PM
1

If your confidence comes from the fact that you're such a moron that you don't realize how worthless you are it's still golden to women. This is why our species is totally fucked. Oh well, let's do what we can.
/r/seduction18/12/10 08:37 PM
15

The best way to fix this is to help your male friend be at least as attractive as you. Otherwise -- if you don't make a move-- she'll just cheat with the next alpha she meets. Welcome to the neopaleolithic, as they say.
/r/seduction18/12/10 07:44 PM
1

Exactly. Getting good at text game is like getting good at clearing minefields. Even if you're awesome at it, it's still a fucking minefield. Just use it to get an IRL meeting ASAP.
/r/seduction16/12/10 07:14 AM
2

Fair point. It feels like a lot more "work" to be an HB10 guy though, than an HB10 girl. HB10 girls are basically born that way. Maintenance is 20 mins of cardio a day, makeup, and taking it easy on the nachos. Whereas, I don't think guys are born with game. They have to learn it over years of social interaction. I am a 7-8 in most areas girls "like", except for social skills, where I'm a 2-3. To even get a girls e-mail, I've spent about 18 months slowly conquering massive social anxiety. Bitter…
/r/seduction16/12/10 06:52 AM
3

I stand by my view that HB7-10s have a far easier time getting a high-quality mate than any guy, or HB0-6 girl. I'm pretty happy being a guy overall though. Sex isn't everything, it just feels that way every 10 minutes :P
/r/seduction16/12/10 06:38 AM
2

Welcome to seddit. You should know you have it easier than you'll ever know.
/r/seduction16/12/10 04:57 AM
2

heh. If you're deeply introverted/really don't give a shit about other people, it will be a chore for the first few months. You have to keep going if you want to f-close hot girls though. HB9s don't bang anti-social psychopaths; they bang social psychopaths.
/r/seduction16/12/10 04:48 AM
2

Nerdy guys are often virgins until around 20-22. You Are Not Defective. You Do Not Have To Fuck A Fatty ASAP. Do have lots of sex while still in college though.
/r/seduction16/12/10 04:41 AM
1

Try the "Intimate Connections" book by David Burns. I'm only about 20% into that, but it seems like the best and most effective of the dozens of books I've read so far. You don't need to read advanced shit like Robert Greene yet; it's entertaining but won't help.
/r/seduction15/12/10 07:28 PM
1

You have to go out and fail hundreds of times. It is the only way. I've been reading dozens of PUA-related books for over a year and I still blank out completely in the field, due to stress/social anxiety. But every interaction I internalize a bit more. There is no pause button in real life; in a conversation you can't take 30 seconds to respond to a woman. So you need to gain subconscious competence, as they say.
/r/seduction15/12/10 09:25 AM
1

Dude, don't burn out from work, trust me, it sucks and it's really hard to fix.
/r/seduction15/12/10 09:20 AM
1

2 texts a day for a girl you only k-closed? That's too much, and will probably seem creepy IMO.
/r/seduction14/12/10 04:34 AM
5

If you have the balls for that, great, go for it. TBH, I don't think I can even form a complete word to a true HB9 yet. YMMV.
/r/seduction13/12/10 05:43 AM
5

"So.. do you like tossing salad?"
/r/seduction13/12/10 05:38 AM
10

Start by opening guys. Then older women. Then girls your age that you aren't attracted to. Then girls you are slightly attracted to. etc. Build confidence w/ baby steps. You may relapse sometimes; that's normal, you just have to plow through it until you're where you want to be.
/r/seduction13/12/10 05:35 AM
1

Not shown: the 75 rejections before that. This is classic snake oil sales tactic -- make something seem easier than it is.
/r/seduction13/12/10 05:14 AM
3

Why calm down? Sexual tension is fun. Tell seddit how it goes. :)
/r/seduction13/12/10 04:33 AM
1

Form a line.
/r/seduction13/12/10 04:19 AM
2

haha. Next weekend thousands of AFCs will try standing a few inches from women and staring at them silently. Creepy.
/r/seduction12/12/10 07:24 PM
5

Right on man. Reply to the missed connection and meet them somewhere again.
/r/seduction12/12/10 07:20 PM
1

If a tactic is successful, I will use it, amorally. Because if I don't, someone else will probably use it against me. This is why the whole world will eventually burn. Oh well. Might as well get laid first.
/r/seduction12/12/10 06:14 AM
0

I never said to attack intelligence. In general, never attack something that she might find attractive. But AMOGing is part of the game. A PUA needs to handle male competition effectively; one way to do that is to say things that indirectly undermine them in her mind.
/r/seduction12/12/10 02:59 AM
-2

This.
/r/seduction11/12/10 09:49 PM
-2

Find an emotionally powerful way to dismiss the age gap. "Our souls might be the same age". heh. You can probably come up with something better. :)
/r/seduction11/12/10 09:41 PM
1

TBH, you may be overly respectful. Many women need to be gently pressured into sex to avoid feeling like sluts ("it's not my fault, the guy seduced me"). If she declines sex without completely rejecting you, frame it as a raincheck for tomorrow/Thursday/whatever. Never give more than 1 raincheck in a row. You are an alpha male and will go elsewhere if she doesn't want to play.
/r/seduction11/12/10 09:27 PM
5

I did that a lot in college and regret it now. Better to go for the experience, than the ego boost of not needing it / walking away from it.
/r/seduction11/12/10 08:59 PM
2

Cool. Link to the record label?
/r/seduction11/12/10 08:57 PM
1

Then you're in much better shape than your original post suggested. Still, I think you need to see her again fast, and push toward a full close. Weakness/hesitation leads to the friend-zone. Of course you also don't want to seem desperate.. it's a fine line :-\
/r/seduction11/12/10 08:45 PM
2

If you want an LTR, close her as quickly as possible. You should be triggering mild resistance every date, it's the only way to be sure you aren't going too slow. Create that chemical bond before some other guy does. If she's on the rag, say "Duly noted" or some shit, and keep escalating toward a BJ. Sometimes she's lying, and that's just LMR, or a way to test your resolve. Also, no dinner dates before sex. And never waste a chance to damage the competition ("$GRAD_AMOG? Some girl told me that g…
/r/seduction11/12/10 08:11 PM
6

You have to be better than the other guys in the venue, overall. Which is often not very hard, because the world is full of AFCs lacking the balls and persistence to improve themselves.
/r/seduction11/12/10 09:42 AM
1

Practice a lot.
/r/seduction11/12/10 07:52 AM
1

For me, I had to write them down, begin fixing them, and start to see the effort paying off, before the insecurity lessened. Isn't always possible to just "stop caring", if it's something you truly dislike about yourself.
/r/seduction11/12/10 04:33 AM
1

Or masturbate but stop before you cum. Assuming you can do this without getting blue balls, it provides an even bigger edge.
/r/seduction11/12/10 04:30 AM
2

Keep trying until you aren't rejected. I know that can be a bitch. :-\
/r/seduction11/12/10 04:27 AM
2

Be hot, get mildly drunk/high, and ask your friends to help you hook up with a guy you like. It's worked for college girls for hundreds of years. If the guys at your school are shy/weak, hunt elsewhere.
/r/seduction10/12/10 05:48 PM
2

Be yourself is bad advice, in that it only works if you're already successful. There are plenty of guys who will never find a girl, let alone f-close, being their current selves. If you never approach, you're pretty much out-of-business.
/r/seduction10/12/10 06:51 AM
1

Looked really smooth to me. I would love to be at that level. :-\ The girl barely spoke, so he was working hard the whole time, fighting a shit wing, and the target's crazy friend.
/r/seduction09/12/10 07:07 AM
1

Also, her place.
/r/seduction09/12/10 05:18 AM
1

Low self-esteem/fear-of-success. I know the feeling man. If you can't simply "man up", try working through some books on this, if that fails, perhaps see a psychologist. It's not something most guys can discuss with their male friends. "Stop being a pussy, brah." "Gee, thanks, that fixed everything."
/r/seduction09/12/10 05:08 AM
4

There's a whole porno series based on this technique. I've heard.
/r/seduction09/12/10 04:58 AM
1

It's hard to compare objectively b/t people. I mean, I could probably f-close an HB3-4 after 20-30 messages total and I have almost no game. An mPUA could perhaps pull an HB9 right to his house. Way too many factors, and too few samples, to "prove" what works best overall. Just experiment until you find something that works for you. My messaging style is short and IM-like, so the fast reply rate works for me. If you are writing like 500 word essays or something, maybe a slower response is more a…
/r/seduction09/12/10 04:29 AM
13

Definitely do NOT wait a day to write them back. Write back in a few mins. The response rate is higher when both of you are active/online. I get a good response rate -- around 50% -- but am having trouble moving to e-mail/IM/etc. Not even trying to get an in-person meeting. IMO a lot of girls are just fucking around on OKC, using guys for entertainment or an ego boost. It's a numbers game, sadly, you may have to message 75+ to get a date. I need in-person practice, so I am close to just cutting …
/r/seduction08/12/10 06:20 PM
1

"had a few"? How many virgins have you banged? Like hundreds?
/r/seduction08/12/10 05:16 AM
1

Hate it because I never have it (in venues where there are women) :P And with bad social anxiety it sux to have to entertain a whole group to attract 1 girl.
/r/seduction08/12/10 05:05 AM
1

I hate social proof almost as much as ASD and AA.
/r/seduction08/12/10 04:36 AM
1

TL;DR man. Brevity is the soul of wit.
/r/seduction08/12/10 04:28 AM
1

Sorry but most women don't care or don't understand. Better to talk about something else when you're starting out.
/r/seduction07/12/10 04:54 PM
2

Thanks for the reply. It's still mindblowing to me how many women are OK with that. Not exactly something Mom taught me.
/r/seduction07/12/10 08:21 AM
1

Agreed, I didn't mean to sound so dismissive toward PUA material. Just saying it's helped me to read some the underlying subjects directly.
/r/seduction07/12/10 08:11 AM
1

I enjoyed the Robert Greene books, especially War, but TBH they didn't help much in-field. Your average AMOG is not Erwin Rommel; it doesn't take much strategy to handle him. It's more of an emotional/inner-game thing and that just requires a shitload of practice. So, my guru recommendation is "The Field".
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:54 AM
2

I scan the amazon top 10 in psychology, persuasion, sales, marketing, NLP, cognitive behavioral theory, body language, acting/improv, etc. Most of the "Pickup" systems are straightforward combinations of that material.
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:48 AM
1

IMO she counts, if you actually found a pro in TJ without a dick.
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:38 AM
2

I seriously wonder how guys manage 4 girls, plus a full time job. Meth?
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:32 AM
4

Bullshit. Create a basic profile on OKC, write something half-funny to 25 HB6s there, at least 1 will write you back. Then the hard work begins.
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:28 AM
2

Practice, practice, practice. Then post a FR.. there are a lot of guys here who will help.
/r/seduction07/12/10 07:04 AM
1

Fair enough, but I might as well talk to girls as well as guys. When I can get over the AA anyway.
/r/seduction07/12/10 06:47 AM
1

Have you done the guru thing personally? How did it go? And, FWIW I am making progress.. just slowly..
/r/seduction06/12/10 07:05 AM
1

Simple algorithm but it may never terminate.
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:58 AM
1

Find IRL stuff here: meetup.com yelp craigslist local newspaper sites
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:54 AM
2

Don't wait for them to invite you to something. That is passive thinking. To build a social network you must be active -- you invite them. Initiate. The people who are interested will attend. Repeat until you have a good group of friends.
/r/seduction06/12/10 06:48 AM
1

You have to be careful. An incoming AMOG is sort of like a shit test -- react directly and You Lose with the girls. Being friendly means you think he has value. Asking him to leave indicates you are threatened and think he is/may be higher value. So better to just ignore him or lightly fuck with him, and make the interaction so awkward/unpleasant that he leaves on his own.
/r/seduction06/12/10 01:49 AM
1

Fighting is not socially acceptable in most venues, so outsmart him. Best done with a wing. Have your wing come over and wisper some BS in his ear, "hey, man, I'm hard, let's get out of here..", "dude, where did you get that X?", "my sister wants to meet you", etc, and while he's distracted get out of dodge with the HBs. I am 6'3" but two much shorter guys used this against me once in college. The girl didn't like them, but they destroyed enough value to cockblock me. Even when you know what's h…
/r/seduction06/12/10 12:57 AM
1

Surprised nobody has listed the 2 obvious ones: Hitch and Magnolia. I love Cruel Intentions also.
/r/seduction05/12/10 11:10 PM
3

Yes. All 16 hours. TBH I was disappointed at how random it was. Not linear/organized enough for my nerd-brain. A lot of it was him jumping around/trying to hype people Magnolia-style, which I found pretty pointless. "Feel good! Be happy". Fuck you, Tyler, no. I liked the Jeffy Show and Book more.
/r/seduction05/12/10 10:51 PM
2

Wygant is the man for sure. Would rather get some friends that are a bit further along than me, who can sarge with me for free though. I am pretty skeptical that a guru can help me internalize this shit well enough, over a brief 1:1 session. Anything he could say, I've probably already read.. I need field experience..
/r/seduction05/12/10 10:31 PM
1

Dude, you'll be fine. Cut out porn, stop masturbating, see her again in a week.
/r/seduction05/12/10 06:22 PM
1

Depends on the BJ. Teeth are not good.
/r/seduction05/12/10 07:54 AM
2

It's generally a DLV to discuss surgery, medical problems, etc in a club/bar. Don't take a woman into a negative emotional state unnecessarily.
/r/seduction05/12/10 06:17 AM
0

Unless the stuff you are passionate about is a complete turnoff to women. Computer programming, killing deer, dropkicking babies, etc.
/r/seduction05/12/10 02:56 AM
1

Somewhere, there is a fugly bastard with game, who gets more pussy than you.
/r/seduction05/12/10 12:17 AM
1

Agreed. The destination can be a gangrape, as long as she enjoys the journey and it delivers enough emotional stimulation. This is why I think women are crazy.
/r/seduction04/12/10 11:55 PM
1

True, but based purely on that, I'd have listed facials and anal. Tried those; didn't work.
/r/seduction04/12/10 05:24 AM
1

You don't really have to read it. Rape is the most common female fantasy. Interracial and incest after that. Although with Twilight, vampires probably bumped one of those. I surmise that incestual, interracial vampire rapeplay would be a guaranteed good time for most women. Off to find my costume..
/r/seduction04/12/10 12:06 AM
9

Being white in an asian country is a nice advantage. I know a gameless white guy who got laid like a basketball-playing rockstar in the Philippines.
/r/seduction02/12/10 10:45 PM
3

Plus1. Enjoy reading your comments man.
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:32 PM
1

If you don't mind -- how old were you when you started, and how social were you? Let's create a scale, say, 1=No friends at all, no job, never leaves mom's basement -- complete hikkomori; 3=few male friends, but unable to talk to women, even ones that approach/IOI you; 5=AFC -- can approach, have fun in bars/clubs, but can't generate attraction; 10=JustinBieber).
/r/seduction02/12/10 07:29 PM
1

I hated him too until I actually read Permission Marketing, which contained a few interesting ideas IMO (given it was written in 1999). Ideas don't have to be deep to be useful.
/r/seduction02/12/10 06:15 AM
2

Simple: Approach entering/exiting the gym. Do NOT hit on them inside/mid-workout, that is tacky/rude. Unless you're in a gym which is clearly just a pick-up joint (i.e. you see AFCs approaching and occasionally succeeding) "Enjoying the post-workout high?" "Have you made it past 1 month yet?" etc. Come up with your own shit.
/r/seduction02/12/10 05:41 AM
1

I'm trying to avoid it b/c quitting SSRIs can be a horrible process (if you ever lose health insurance/otherwise can't afford them).
/r/seduction01/12/10 05:26 AM
1

A woman's opinion of a guy depends pretty heavily on what her female friends think of him. Especially when she's young. Piss off her friends, and they will actively work to destroy your relationship (and they often succeed).
/r/seduction25/11/10 04:31 AM
0

Look, everyone is a social manipulator from the day they're born. It is in the nature of any sexual species. All that really varies are the methods used, and how well they work.
/r/seduction25/11/10 04:20 AM
2

Except that women rarely help socialize guys who are not already accepted by other women. Get rejected by the female hive-mind in middle school or high school and a guy has to work like hell to gain acceptance later.
/r/seduction25/11/10 04:13 AM
5

Ugh. Opening is basically the same everywhere. Approach with decent body language and tone-of-voice, and say something friendly and non-retarded. When I was shopping for cookbooks, I opened a girl in that section by asking her what she likes to cook. Mind-numbingly inane? Yes. But it worked. Seriously, you don't need a detailed algorithm for each venue/country/weather pattern/age-of-target/etc to get started. You need to go in-field and practice, practice, practice. And then practice.
/r/seduction25/11/10 03:53 AM
-2

Rating men purely by looks is dumb. Guys are supposed to be rich, confident, funny, intelligent, powerful, strong, aggressive, etc. Beauty isn't much of a factor. The female supplies the beauty side of the relationship.
/r/seduction25/11/10 03:22 AM
1

I'd pay you to follow me around and provide confident responses to various life situations. Just saying.
/r/seduction22/11/10 12:47 AM
1

Yup, ~25% of my social life comes from meetup.com and I've met some cool people through it. Also use yelp, my university's alumni calendar, LA Weekly, etc. craigslist is too spammy to be useful.
/r/seduction21/11/10 07:49 PM
1

I really like Robert Greene's 3-set but when I first read it, I was like a toddler trying to understand schematics for the space station. A lot of analytical guys think they can read their way into being PUAs. It doesn't work that way: you have to put in the field work. And I mean, like 2 years of going out 3-4x a week. You can't really fix inner game by reading.
/r/seduction21/11/10 06:13 PM
1

Find an activity that other people like, have fun with them, and then close (ask for e-mail/phone, or make future plans right there). Understand that most people are shy/anxious and will not ask for contact info. It's basically up to you. If they refuse, shrug it off, and try again. View it as a game. The Game.
/r/seduction21/11/10 03:34 AM
1

It helps for the next approach that night. But then the AA returns like a mofo on the next night. It will probably take years to subside..
/r/seduction20/11/10 04:38 AM
3

I'm a 28 year old engineer with a well-paying job and a run-down, ghetto apartment in a suburban American shithole (moving soon). On behalf of others like us everywhere, you must man up and f-close. You are the prize. That is all. Have fun.
/r/seduction20/11/10 04:17 AM
3

That line is getting really worn-out in LA. Make up something on the fly. "Your little sister would be jealous" or whatever.
/r/seduction15/11/10 05:16 PM
22

Holy christ, someone call the TL;DR service. Girls may recognize 2000-2003 era game. "Who lies more, men or women?" haha. Modern game is about developing yourself into a natural, until there is no skeeziness to side-step.
/r/seduction14/11/10 09:22 PM
1

Right on, man.
/r/seduction14/11/10 08:13 PM
1

baahahahahahah. That guy is a comedic genius.
/r/seduction14/11/10 06:10 PM
2

I think more girls are aware of negs than of disqualification. In a way, negs are a PUA->HB IOI now, which is bad.
/r/seduction14/11/10 10:51 AM
2

OK, you win. That gent is totally off and cold.. you can hear her state dropping during the interview, although she's trying to hide it. I actually found him more interesting and insightful than Louis CK, ignoring tone of voice/etc, but she didn't respond well at all. Fascinating to watch this Game is.
/r/seduction10/11/10 07:42 AM
4

I do agree there is some real chemistry there. I am not Jedi enough (yet :P) to tell how much is real vs acting, but feels like some of each.
/r/seduction10/11/10 07:12 AM
5

Game is tone of voice, body language, and how other people react. The whole interview is Game. She's gaming him, he's gaming her, and they're both gaming the audience. It's a beautiful thing.
/r/seduction10/11/10 06:30 AM
21

He has good game but look, she's a professional whose job mandates that kind of response. Interviewers IOI the interviewee b/c it opens them up, engages the audience, and leads to repeat interviews. She is gaming him as much as the other away around.
/r/seduction10/11/10 06:25 AM
1

"You're not quite short enough" and then point to your crotch. Mixed results but when it works, it's pretty funny. Get the body language right, and you can say almost anything.
/r/seduction10/11/10 04:00 AM
1

Yup. I'm with you dude. It's like nature's cruel joke.
/r/seduction09/11/10 06:04 AM
1

I think social complexity evolved because being a master social manipulator is far more valuable -- thus more attractive to women -- than having any specific technical or artistic skills. With frame control/etc, you can simply manipulate the talented into working for you. Social dominance is a "super talent": better than being tall, smart, hot, rich, etc. TL;DR: In a way, women guide men into power.
/r/seduction08/11/10 12:20 AM
1

Starting out, yes. TBH I would rather be programming than trying to emotionally stimulate stupid drunk girls in a club, except that one helps you get laid, and the other doesn't. The game has constraints that men cannot change.. You can accept them and play, or opt out and never win.
/r/seduction07/11/10 08:03 PM
1

There are thousands of guys that would love to have a night like yours, but are too afraid to even walk into a bar or club. You are out there and trying, and that's awesome. Fuck the haters on seddit.
/r/seduction07/11/10 07:47 PM
1

Even the jedis face ASD, LMR, and other bullshit. I think Gunwitch simply meant: don't give up until you are clearly, totally rejected. Especially in the late stages when you've invested several hours in each other.
/r/seduction28/10/10 08:17 AM
-1

But porn is so much less work ;P
/r/seduction23/10/10 04:55 AM
1

That is excellent advice. In LA the best strategy seems to be wealthy, hide it at first, and if you like the girl, let her discover it gradually as the relationship proceeds. This filters out the gold diggers, yet still makes it unlikely she'll leave you suddenly for a richer guy. Informational warfare FTW.
/r/seduction23/10/10 03:43 AM
2

OTOH bailing before you push the limits can become a defense mechanism that holds you back. Eventually you need to lean into your fear and go for digits/k-closes/f-closes to build true confidence.
/r/seduction22/10/10 03:46 AM
1

I actually hate exercising/lifting for the sake of exercising/lifting, too. I only work out twice a week Eh? People that hate exercising work out twice a decade. Twice a week is pretty hardcore to most of the population.
/r/seduction22/10/10 03:38 AM
1

Right on. What sites are you using? OKC? myYearbook?
/r/seduction12/10/10 04:06 AM
1

My plan is to work my ass off, given I'm pushing 30 as an introverted nerd. :P Sorry for being such a dick. I'm just jealous. Seriously, get as much action as possible in HS/college, as it's really fucking hard to learn the game later. Even in LA it takes me like 2-3 hours just to find a girl I want to approach, and I can only play maybe 10 hours a week. In HS/college, The Game is your full time job and there are HBs everywhere. I blew it with like 8 girls in college because the seduction commun…
/r/seduction12/10/10 03:38 AM
4

This is Fool's Mate. You did not "man the hell up", the girl probably just threw herself at you, because that's what horny curious highschool girls do. Enjoy while it lasts.
/r/seduction11/10/10 05:37 AM
23

Right on dude. The main goal of all this stuff is to build a great life.
/r/seduction02/10/10 07:01 PM
1

LED scrolling app. You can send her messages from across the bar like 'stop staring at me! i'm out of your league!' etc
/r/seduction21/09/10 07:10 AM
1

Wow, 1/4? Where? SF or something?
/r/seduction21/09/10 07:08 AM
1

"Show me your palm". "No dude, show me yours". Bahaha.
/r/seduction16/09/10 03:42 AM
1

Well, you can definitely attract certain kinds of girls using money (heh, like the "2 girls at the same time" scene from Office Space). IMO that isn't being a PUA or an Alpha Male though. I know some rich natural alphas, and they hide their wealth as much as possible around women, in the early stages. OTOH, a couple beers isn't a big deal, if you say something like "you're buying next time".
/r/seduction15/09/10 06:23 AM
1

Not really. That may trigger provider switches which will make it harder to close fast. Super Alpha is getting the HB9 to buy your broke-ass a drink because you're that cool starving musician or whatever.
/r/seduction13/09/10 01:29 AM
2

+1 Username fits Personality
/r/seduction13/09/10 12:52 AM
1

Oh God, 10 years ago I was you. GFTOW.
/r/seduction12/09/10 07:28 PM
1

There may be women that respond sexually at the neocortex level, but if so, they must be rarer than rainbow colored unicorns that shit gold bricks. My money is still on The Cube or whatever working better than some nerdy intellectual discussion.
/r/seduction12/09/10 06:04 PM
3

Empirically true, but does anybody have a sane explanation for why?
/r/seduction10/09/10 03:17 AM
1

Yup, agreed.
/r/seduction08/09/10 04:52 AM
1

Well, I admit there are probably also some undergrad dbags who drive rented Feraris. ;-P Just callin it how I see it, from attending a few parties around there. I'm not saying young PUAs should just give up on the HB9s -- that's bullshit -- but there are limits to how far PUA skills can take you. Hard factors like wealth, house size, position on the ladder in the entertainment industry, etc, are a part of the chick selection process in LA, given lots of guys are studying PUA now.
/r/seduction08/09/10 03:01 AM
5

Given the number of ultra-rich late 20s dbags in the area, I'd imagine most undergrad guys have to settle for the HB6-7s. Westwood is paleolithic.. UCLA HB9s get dragged off into the hills in a Ferrari.
/r/seduction06/09/10 06:50 AM
1

I think there are bots/spammers that auto-downvote new posts. Anyway, I'm interested if you guys form a lair or if anybody is looking for late-20s wing.
/r/seduction06/09/10 06:44 AM
6

Well, pretty much every guy at UCLA is a PUA or at least trying to be now..
/r/seduction06/09/10 06:28 AM
7

Replacing AA with AA..
/r/seduction05/09/10 06:19 PM
3

If anybody's looking for a ROTG buddy, PM me.. I'm on day 2.. we can compare fuckups. :D
/r/seduction05/09/10 06:03 PM
3

Well, if it helps motivate you, it will get much, much harder to get laid once you graduate. Best to build these skills while you're still in college around receptive girls.
/r/seduction05/09/10 09:15 AM
1

May be college bias. 18-20 year old college girls are way, way easier than mid-20s professionals who have been pumped-n-dumped a couple dozen times and realize they need to stop putting out so easily, to secure the resources they want/need. Even if you're still hitting on college girls -- now that you're out of college, they may view you as a provider, which means no rapid f-close 4 u.
/r/seduction03/09/10 11:02 PM
1

Thanks! Turning around now to drop her off at her parents house, where I will apologize profusely, and then drive to the nearest police station to turn myself in.
/r/seduction15/08/10 03:53 AM
1

Nevada's probably <4 hours away.
/r/seduction15/08/10 01:33 AM
1

He says "MmmKay" as much as Mr. Garrison. And also seems to be channeling Tom Cruise in Magnolia a bit much. Probably not a sociopath though.
/r/seduction18/07/10 02:13 AM
2

The internet recommends you cover your dick in black body paint, and go for it.
/r/seduction18/07/10 01:19 AM
0

You don't want to explicitly trigger provider switches early on. Often makes them withhold sex until they see how much they can get from you without sex.
/r/seduction18/07/10 12:20 AM
1

Or we could just read Twilight.
/r/seduction17/07/10 07:35 AM
2

I love Twilight. It made millions of women like pastey white guys with a dark personality. At least until the next fad comes along.
/r/seduction17/07/10 06:25 AM
2

4/4 was Mystery's advice, but not all of us can game 20+ hrs a wk. At 28, in LA, that would burn me out hella fast. I would probably Cobain myself within 2 wks from all the douchebags and shallow industry whores.
/r/seduction07/07/10 05:59 AM
1

Right on dude. Kill your inner shit-weasel.
/r/seduction29/06/10 06:46 AM
1

Perhaps true in person but not through the phone/internet. Phone sex chicks are often fat/old/ugly, but are absolute experts at getting guys off. I've heard.
/r/seduction29/06/10 05:51 AM
1

http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ch3mx/totally_new_to_this_need_your_help/c0sjgdx
/r/seduction29/06/10 04:23 AM
1

That was a pretty good analogy. Beta males exist to pay for and raise the children their wives conceived w/ an alpha male.
/r/seduction29/06/10 04:20 AM
2

I'm rAFC but at least I read like a PUA.
/r/seduction22/06/10 05:38 AM
2

Also try conventions (nursing, teaching, any other female-centric professions) and vacation spots (beaches, ski resorts, cruise ships, etc). High quality women are easiest when they're away from home. Vastly lower ASD.
/r/seduction21/06/10 01:11 AM
1

I'm sort of a theory junkie so: SELECT * FROM amazon.com WHERE AUTHOR='Robert Greene'; How To Become an Alpha Male (John Alexander) Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion How I Raised Myself From Failure To Success In Selling Mastering Your Hidden Self: Guide To The Huna Way Think & Grow Rich Body Language I found Mystery Method overly rational and systematic -- no way that the naturals I've watched are following that model.
/r/seduction21/06/10 01:02 AM
1

I'm with you dude, but, realize that most women enjoy delusionally confident/optimistic men (sales guys, preachers, actors, whatever). IMO this is a large part of why human societies are so fucked up, nonetheless, it's like a pre-req for getting laid. It's like women can't measure your worth rationally and independently, so they rely on your own self-assessment, and how other people view you.
/r/seduction20/06/10 10:16 PM
8

Early-20s girls are sometimes OK with jump-starting hot, inept mid-20s boys, but they expect 30+ year old men to lead them. You are no longer eligible for a free upgrade. Get rich and/or famous and/or learn the game.
/r/seduction20/06/10 09:51 PM
2

+1 Awesome comeback.
/r/seduction20/06/10 09:45 PM
6

A 5 year old chick crack gambit which every woman in Los Angeles has heard several billion times thanks to The Game.
/r/seduction20/06/10 09:27 PM
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