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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction24/01/11 09:08 PM
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Red Pill Theory2nd_class_citizen/r/TheRedPill12/09/13 03:08 PM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction20/05/11 09:50 PM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction05/12/12 03:19 PM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction08/07/12 09:37 AM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction10/11/13 08:46 PM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction27/03/12 11:41 PM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction08/01/13 02:03 PM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction23/06/11 10:57 PM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction10/04/13 02:47 AM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/TheRedPill12/09/13 02:58 PM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction26/08/12 09:10 AM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/seduction23/06/11 10:51 PM
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Red Pill Theory2nd_class_citizen/r/TheRedPill09/11/13 03:59 AM
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2nd_class_citizen/r/MensRights18/07/13 04:36 AM
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If I HAD to make a choice between reading and sarging, sarging would give me more improvement, hands down. But if you want to continuously improve, you need a combination of both practice and theory to reveal your blind spots and learn new paradigms and ways of thinking. With that said, more sarging and less reading is certainly preferable to less sarging and more reading.
/r/seduction05/03/14 11:32 PM
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I feel like my ability to talk to random girls was actually better before I learned 'game' because I wasn't trying to accomplish any goals or achieve any outcomes from the interaction. Problem was, I could talk to girls but not close so I didn't get laid. Gotta learn to walk again.
/r/seduction26/02/14 03:39 AM
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Big L - Games Female Play Sample: I know this lady by the name of Katie If you broke, she's shady You got cash She's ready to have your baby The type of female the fellas stress Stay fresh to death, well dressed In Chanel, Guess, nothing less Body got more curves than an S I smoked the boots like Cess And I confess the sex was the best (yes) Within a week she had keys to my res I done mad her my main squeeze and gave her g's to invest Then one day I overheard her talking to friends Saying how sh…
/r/TheRedPill13/02/14 11:22 PM
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1) Daygame at everyday locations 2) Meeting girls through friends (requires working on your social circle, organizing events) 3) Online dating (Tinder, OKCupid, etc.) 4) Organized dating events (though the age range tends to be higher) 5) This is gonna sound weird but I have a friend that met his Korean girlfriend by first being pen pals with her. Not sure how many people do that nowadays though...
/r/seduction02/02/14 09:47 PM
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You're in San Francisco? Well if you're not satisfied being there and are pretty well off, then move back to NYC and start spinning plates like crazy. You don't need to spend a tonne of money getting a big apartment/house either. Hell, check out Paul Janka's guide while you're at it: http://blog.juliaallison.com/Images/Paul%20Janka%20-%20Getting%20Laid%20in%20NYC.pdf
/r/askTRP28/01/14 06:06 PM
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You should see how many deals and free shit girls get just to walk into a club in Singapore.
/r/MensRights22/12/13 08:49 PM
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Not only has this question been asked before multiple times on reddit in general (and possibly in this sub as well) but you should know that whenever you ask women this question, she will tell you what she wants a man she is already attracted to to do. Read this.
/r/seduction22/12/13 08:45 PM
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You must have caught him on a bad day. THere was an account by TofuTofu in /r/seduction maybe 1-2 years ago where he was in a club with both RSDTyler and the Simple Pickup guys. Basically, it was clear that RSDTyler was the real deal, a guy who's been in the game for years. He would talk up every girl, hot or not, and spin off the unattractive ones. I'll try to find it, it was really interesting. EDIT: Here it is: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/qzr3n/my_review_of_the_simple_pickup_gu…
/r/TheRedPill22/12/13 06:19 PM
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Whether this stuff is true or false, it's somewhat ridiculous to try and analyze when you're with a girl whether she's displaying 1, 5, or 10 IOIs. Be present, stay in the moment, and kino like crazy. If she doesn't pull back and touches you back that's the best indicator of all.
/r/askTRP18/12/13 01:30 AM
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Yes, but the very idea that seduction could be a broken down into a process that one could learn and refine was pretty revolutionary when it first came out, and Mystery takes a lot of credit for that. We take it for granted now but prior to the Pickup community, the belief was that a guy either had 'it', or didn't.
/r/askTRP18/12/13 01:26 AM
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ME SO ALPHA! GRUNTS AND SWINGS CLUB
/r/TheRedPill11/12/13 09:56 PM
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OP said 'forced to interact'. There's no natural setting where you are forced other than a specific dating event.
/r/askTRP08/12/13 02:56 PM
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Forced to interact? A speed dating type event. On the real though, cold approaching cold sober is the single best way to improve your game.
/r/askTRP08/12/13 01:52 AM
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Twice I've been told that the specific reason she liked me is that "you were 'real' and didn't try any of that 'game' stuff" Fucking gold
/r/TheRedPill25/11/13 11:16 PM
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I swear every depiction of pick up artists I've seen in pop culture is based on Mystery
/r/TheRedPill25/11/13 11:15 PM
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I think this is why women especially hate the seduction community and pickup artists. Well not all of them, but most of them say "that would never work on me!"
/r/TheRedPill25/11/13 05:08 PM
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Mark Manson has a great write up on foreign women. One of the many reasons I love traveling.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/13 04:10 AM
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Watch RSDTyler or RSDJulien stuff
/r/askTRP20/11/13 07:19 PM
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I see. I guess people can just start lairs on here for any and all cities they might find themselves in and people can search for them.
/r/seduction12/11/13 08:46 PM
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Following the 3 second rule solves many problems that guys face: 1) Opening is often the hardest part for newbies. 2) Waiting too long to open allows you build up excuses in your head. 3) Opening fast removes the 'creep factor' whereby the girl sees you staring at her repeatedly before you approach. It's all here. If you can follow the 3 second rule, your success with women WILL improve greatly, without any need for reading tonnes of theory.
/r/seduction11/11/13 04:39 PM
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To add: the 3 second rule will solve 80% of your seduction problems
/r/seduction11/11/13 07:00 AM
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what was wrong with it? just lack of usage?
/r/seduction10/11/13 10:11 PM
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You might try a google search for any Australian pickup lairs
/r/seduction10/11/13 08:45 PM
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What I love about TRP is that I'm seeing seemingly innocuous shit girls say for the truth. A few years ago, I would've seen that same thing and thought "Of course I would, obviously she's seen that I'm better than those other guys. Took her a while but hey, everyone makes mistakes."
/r/TheRedPill10/11/13 08:38 PM
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LOL you're spot on with Julien. Seeing his infield vids my jaw dropped at the shit he pulled.
/r/askTRP09/11/13 10:10 PM
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sorry, thought reposts got caught in the 'repost filter' automatically
/r/TheRedPill09/11/13 04:21 AM
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Let em fight if they want to fight. I don't find it attractive or even that interesting but hey it's a (mostly) free country.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/13 02:21 AM
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who says you you have to be sleep deprived? go to sleep earlier, get up earlier. naturally this doesn't apply when out partying
/r/seduction31/10/13 03:45 AM
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The key takeaway message is that when you get up before you --have-- to, your whole mindset shifts from "Endure the day" to "Seize the day", which is arguably a much more attractive place to be coming from.
/r/seduction30/10/13 09:54 PM
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Great actionable advice. It's amazing what happens when you seize the day by the balls rather than let the day drag you along. It is truly the habits we develop that determine our success in meeting our goals.
/r/seduction30/10/13 09:52 PM
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I guess there have to be betas in order for there to be alphas
/r/TheRedPill30/10/13 08:02 PM
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Not really if you eat high protein, lift heavy, and take BCAAs pre-workout.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 11:35 PM
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No it's not just that - even non-accented (or American accented) Indian guys have problems dating outside of the Indian community. There was a good post about this recently. I'll try to find it. Thanks to the media, Indians tend to be viewed by American society in general through the lens of the doctor/engineer stereotype or the clown stereotype (a la Aziz Ansari or Kal Penn). Indian guys just have to portray themselves strongly to show they are not the stereotype and have depth beyond it. EDIT:…
/r/askTRP09/10/13 03:39 AM
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What Greene book would you recommend starting with?
/r/TheRedPill18/09/13 02:06 AM
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Learning game is pretty time intensive. Someone in medical school is probably too busy all the time to do so (technically, yes, it's an excuse I suppose).
/r/TheRedPill16/09/13 03:52 AM
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This is big. No one fucks only 10s. And people who want to fuck only 10s never fuck anyone.
/r/seduction12/09/13 11:32 PM
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people always talk about the left over women... no one gives a shit about the left over men
/r/TheRedPill12/09/13 11:26 PM
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I think the guys would cave pretty readily since women are in short supply. The women on the other hand would rather be mistresses to someone successful.
/r/TheRedPill12/09/13 03:34 PM
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Genius.
/r/TheRedPill10/09/13 02:53 AM
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Sure but what women say would work and what actually works are often quite different. I've seen this sort of approach recommended by Lovesystems coach Cajun as being simple and surprisingly effective. Haven't tried it myself though.
/r/TheRedPill03/09/13 01:09 AM
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lol that was hilarious (and didn't involve physical assault)
/r/TheRedPill29/07/13 09:43 PM
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just imagine if a guy did that to a girl
/r/TheRedPill29/07/13 09:24 PM
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wtf that girl seriously threw coffee/water in his face??
/r/TheRedPill29/07/13 09:10 PM
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Ultimately it's all about $$$ since having more women in a bar/club brings more men which bring more dollars spent at the bar.
/r/MensRights18/07/13 04:38 AM
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Surprisingly good
/r/TheRedPill15/07/13 08:48 PM
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No More Mr. Nice Guy - Robert Glover --- I don't say this lightly: this book changed my perspective on a lot of things.
/r/TheRedPill12/07/13 04:02 PM
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Yeah I see what you're saying - the desire to improve oneself has to come from within. Doing it for the sake of someone or something else is bound to create resentment.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/13 03:54 PM
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I guess the question is whether the behavior she is displaying now is something that's going to keep coming up in different situations or whether she is going to deal with it and become more mature. None of us are perfect, and all of us deserve a second chance to develop ourselves even if we behave badly here and there. If there was evidence of a pattern of bad behavior over time then yeah, he should definitely get out now. But a one-off issue? A little time and effort should reveal whether ther…
/r/TheRedPill08/07/13 02:05 PM
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Why is all the advice here to get rid of her and start banging other women? He said they've been happily married for a while, this is just a bump in the road that they need to deal with. Sure she might be acting childish right now for all the reasons mentioned in the original thread, but given some time and the right approach, he could help her to become a better, fitter person as well. Relationships are not 100% smooth sailing and that's fine. Every little disagreement or problem doesn't need t…
/r/TheRedPill08/07/13 02:58 AM
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this is fucking bullshit
/r/seduction22/06/13 12:52 AM
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Back in the good ol' days, we called this 'framing' or 'frame control'
/r/seduction14/06/13 03:46 PM
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Mark Manson is the fucking man. Probably one of the most mature and balanced gurus out there and one of the key guys in total lifestyle design.
/r/seduction23/04/13 06:48 PM
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Thanks for your replies. You absolutely don't owe anything to a guy for buying drinks and honestly it's a rather manipulative tactic though most AFC guys don't see it that way. That's why not buying drinks right off the bat is a cornerstone tactic of game (for guys at least). Instead of criticizing me, why not just realize that spending money on a girl because you have no real game is a really, really bad idea. I think it works on girls with horrible self-esteem, or girls that are younger. Yes t…
/r/seduction06/04/13 06:15 PM
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VIP + open bar is always an epic setup :) Did you feel that gave you a massive value boost (being seen or just being in the VIP section)?
/r/seduction06/04/13 05:28 PM
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Like other people here have said, it's very interesting to hear a well-written account from the other side. A few questions/comments: 1) I'm not familiar with your background but I'm curious as to what about yourself you're trying to improve specifically? 2) Kudos for listing a correct feature of introverts. Too many people think introverts are just 'shy'. 3) Did the numerous glances from guys throughout the night make you feel uncomfortable because you weren't mentally prepared for them? Like y…
/r/seduction06/04/13 05:19 PM
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Very well said. It's amazing what guys will let a girl get away with when she's hot (and I guess the same goes for attractive men but to a lesser degree).
/r/seduction10/03/13 11:57 PM
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Of all the places...c'mon there are plenty of other venues to game.
/r/seduction02/03/13 07:04 PM
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English girls ARE relatively easy and there are plenty of attractive ones. A good option is to go to a multicultural cosmopolitan city where plenty of foreigners are and try to hit up a pub crawl or other event where travelers congregate (just google <city> pub crawl). Women are especially open to hooking up while traveling, for whatever reasons. I'll tell you from experience that there are good pub crawls in Amsterdam and Prague and party islands like Mallorca and Ibiza have plenty of hot girls…
/r/seduction26/02/13 05:20 AM
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fuck yeah! i'm surprised more people don't know about the prague pub crawl. great place to meet women.
/r/seduction25/02/13 04:43 AM
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Maybe this is just my AFC ass talking but even if you get past any language barrier, in my experience Eastern European women are pretty hard to f-close in one night. They are hot as fuck, but I think OP is looking for a place with a high probability to get laid.
/r/seduction25/02/13 04:43 AM
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Really? I'm pretty sure most of us got into this game for the sex.
/r/seduction25/02/13 04:40 AM
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If you want a quick and dirty course, check out the first couple of chapters of Magic Bullets
/r/seduction11/02/13 03:07 AM
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AFC + power to kick people out = massive douche
/r/seduction19/01/13 03:09 PM
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Yeah what a douche. I've never heard of this stuff happening. As long as everyone's having a good time there's no reason to kick someone out of a bar/club.
/r/seduction19/01/13 03:07 PM
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TBH I don't think we focus enough on lifestyle in this subreddit, given that your lifestyle has a big effect on the kind of women you meet and your 'value' in terms of attraction.
/r/seduction08/01/13 11:21 PM
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Can't help but upvote everything you post. Nowadays, do you ever fuck up (with regard to seduction)?
/r/seduction29/12/12 11:15 PM
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Like ichangedmyname said, apparently this isn't allowed in most bars so I guess I've been lucky so far playing this in non-college bars :) But yes it is fun and very simple so people can get into it easily. Plus, you get plenty of kino opportunities (high fives, hugs, etc.).
/r/seduction27/12/12 06:19 AM
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hasn't happened yet over 4 countries and 3 continents
/r/seduction26/12/12 03:38 PM
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nope, the bar/club usually had some plastic cups they were happy to donate (especially with a solid beer purchase)
/r/seduction26/12/12 03:38 PM
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Flip cup man. Used it multiple times and it's super easy to get other girls involved. Plus once you get a decent sized group together, you become a focal point of the bar or club!
/r/seduction26/12/12 10:47 AM
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Solution to every shit test: agree and amplify!
/r/seduction26/12/12 09:08 AM
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and one more: 4) Fastest pull award (k-close and f-close categories)
/r/seduction19/12/12 04:36 PM
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1) Guy who gets laid more than TofuTofu award 2) Craziest costume f-close award (picture evidence required) 3) Most unexpected location pickup success award
/r/seduction19/12/12 04:31 PM
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why did i have to have jim brickman playing while reading this... amplified the feeling quite a bit
/r/MensRights17/12/12 11:38 AM
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I'd be interested to hear more about this, if you have more to share. Maybe a separate thread/new post?
/r/seduction15/12/12 07:58 AM
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I have a few go-to hard drinks: 1) Gin and tonic or gin and soda - both are low in calories, soda having the fewest. I like the taste and it seems kinda classy. 2) Vodka + red bull - this makes me rage all night. good if you want to completely let loose. don't be surprised if your friends tell you the next day that you stabbed a hooker, drank a gallon of bleach, and shat on the bar. 3) Tequila - buy a round of these for your group if you want to fuck everyone (including yourself) up. good for la…
/r/seduction05/12/12 03:49 PM
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This is great stuff. A guy with good game wouldn't give in right away though, so be prepared for a little back and forth.
/r/seduction05/12/12 03:30 PM
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This is great stuff. I've also tried the game where I give my friend $20 or $50 or whatever and he has to give me $10 back for each approach I make. Thanks to this, I've made approaches I never would've otherwise.
/r/seduction03/12/12 07:14 PM
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I can't decide whether we should just ignore this type of lame joke or not...
/r/MensRights03/12/12 06:59 PM
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My brain just short circuited
/r/seduction30/11/12 11:43 AM
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I'm no mPUA, but I found it very difficult to even get a girl into a conversation at the club, let alone game her. Bars are easier though.
/r/seduction30/11/12 02:31 AM
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Prague, Czech Republic (I've heard Croatia is really tough too).
/r/seduction29/11/12 03:14 PM
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subtle... very good point
/r/seduction27/11/12 08:07 AM
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Long conversations are pointless - you are just stuck in limbo. Move the interaction forward with kino and by moving her to a different venue.
/r/seduction26/11/12 04:04 PM
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Thank you for being the voice of reason.
/r/seduction26/11/12 03:58 PM
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Warm shower to open up your pores, apply soap, finish with cold rinse to close up pores and prevent dehydration.
/r/seduction26/11/12 05:27 AM
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I thought so too, until someone on reddit educated me that semen can survive up to 5 days in the female reproductive system. I'll try to find the link...
/r/MensRights16/11/12 03:45 AM
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Good list, but I'm pretty sure there's a seddit policy against posting free links to seduction pdfs since they don't really help out the authors (especially for PUAs that have done AMAs here).
/r/seduction15/11/12 05:26 AM
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i guess ass grabbing does work sometimes right out of the gate
/r/seduction15/11/12 02:27 AM
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what a cunning linguist
/r/seduction15/11/12 02:26 AM
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Came here to say this. As the man, always initiate. Right from the moment you meet her, touch her elbow, lower arm, whatever. Just something non threatening and nonsexual to begin with.
/r/seduction14/11/12 08:36 AM
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What kurtgodel said (wow that feels weird to type) is spot on - progressive desensitization is the key to building a foundation. Style and Mark Manson have both advocated this sort of approach. Another thing you should do is find a lair nearby so you can meet up with other like minded guys and get feedback and maybe pick up some tips as well. Plus, you may find with some encouragement that approaching is not that hard after all!
/r/seduction05/11/12 03:11 PM
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sheepishly raises hand
/r/seduction05/11/12 02:24 PM
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hahaha i feel exactly the same way after almost getting thrown out of the club twice for no good reason.
/r/seduction05/11/12 02:22 PM
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Lots of people here have stories about how DJs they know get laid regularly - no doubt it's true but you still need to have good game. How do you get good game? Approach, approach, approach. Standing behind a table spinning tunes might give you social value, but it won't improve your fundamental pickup skills.
/r/seduction05/11/12 02:57 AM
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You can get laid just by going out and not reading ANYTHING, whereas you can't get laid just by reading. The best, of course, is to do both, but it's obvious which one is more important (and arguably effective!).
/r/seduction02/11/12 06:12 AM
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man crush on this guy
/r/seduction27/10/12 12:23 PM
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Maybe you felt like you had something of great value to offer when preaching, but you don't feel the same way with women (even though you may have tonnes of value to offer).
/r/seduction24/10/12 03:49 AM
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Regarding action item #6: definitely check out /r/malefashionadvice and /r/frugalmalefashion for a boatload of tips and feedback, all for free.
/r/seduction24/10/12 03:39 AM
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Yeah, fair enough, but at least he's 'earned' it by trying. And we are not obligated to stroke anyone's ego.
/r/seduction21/10/12 06:11 AM
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Frat parties are the easiest places to get a drunken hook up or makeout. No pressure though :)
/r/seduction21/10/12 05:58 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with the spirit of your post. I just think it's good for guys to get infield experience and get feedback, even if they are just making baby steps. We have a lot of keyboard jockeys on here, and encouraging people to stop reading and start approaching is very important, even if that means we have to put with some mediocre FRs.
/r/seduction20/10/12 09:41 PM
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To be honest, I'd rather see lame FRs than motivational bullshit posted by keyboard jockeys who have little to no infield experience ("Don't be afraid to close guys!" or "Confidence is the key!"). At least with an FR, the guy is out there putting his ego on the line and improving himself.
/r/seduction20/10/12 09:16 PM
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If your only goal is to fuck without regard to standards and setting/maintaining boundaries then you'll never have real success with women.
/r/seduction19/10/12 05:51 AM
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If you're going to come here and talk shit, at least get the spelling of 'weak' right.
/r/seduction19/10/12 05:48 AM
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Great stuff - I'm curious though about this part: At that that time I was living in New York City. I fumbled my way through nightclubs, bars, after work happy hours, and parties. I started having sex with a lot of women - and, finally, some of them were even hot! It sounds like a lot happened here since you went from fucking ugly girls sometimes to hot ones frequently. Was it all due to the 3 second rule + going out a lot? What elevated your game?
/r/seduction18/10/12 04:52 AM
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lol I was just thinking about how meta this is
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:44 AM
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He's also done a GREAT video on meditation and how much it boosts your game when combined with lots of in field experience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a5fO8jE7mc It's long, so if you don't have time to watch it, the takeaway message is: meditate, about 20 mins a day, do it regularly, and you can do it anywhere. there are plenty of resources on the net about it.
/r/seduction17/10/12 08:14 AM
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same here, but this article has changed my perspective
/r/seduction17/10/12 07:40 AM
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Mark Manson's site is great... one of the most honest and BS free PUA/life improvement sites I've seen. Definitely check out his other articles. I've been porn free for more than 6 months myself and don't even miss it now. Plus, it gives you more motivation to sarge cos if you want to see some titties, you'll have to go out and find a real girl!
/r/seduction17/10/12 07:36 AM
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do you watch porn? try stopping permanently and you will experience myriad benefits. Your will stop having unrealistic expectations of women based on 'perfect' models in porno films and be able to appreciate the small flaws and imperfections in real women.
/r/seduction16/10/12 03:45 PM
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o yea... although his advice is sometimes just stories and not really actionable advice. still good for inner game though! and tyler is an absolute mPUA himself
/r/seduction16/10/12 03:40 PM
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This is some real /bestof material. Too bad it'll probably get downvoted to oblivion if it gets submitted though.
/r/MensRights15/10/12 11:28 AM
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Good to see another perspective. Seems like gay guys are far more forward and open with each other than straight guys/girls!
/r/seduction15/10/12 09:02 AM
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yeah style has it in rules of the game.
/r/seduction15/10/12 08:58 AM
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Butchering the alpha male
/r/seduction11/10/12 07:27 AM
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For a newbie? Absolutely yes. Since your eventual goal is to fuck, the level of physical contact needs to be ramped up smoothly.
/r/seduction10/10/12 02:30 AM
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lol exactly. Him buying drinks for you is totally beta
/r/seduction07/10/12 03:00 PM
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What's 'new era' about outer game? It's INNER game that's the new wave in PUA lore.
/r/seduction07/10/12 02:57 PM
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Alpha = gets the job done by any means necessary. Go approach!
/r/seduction29/09/12 12:50 PM
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talking about this?
/r/seduction28/09/12 04:08 AM
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Tyler Durden also put up a great video on meditation and how it relates to game.
/r/seduction28/09/12 04:07 AM
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This is the key. Inner game stuff is only useful when it's INTERNALIZED, not when you have to actively think about it. However, the only way it gets internalized is through action. And sometimes, you need some 'shallow' outer game stuff to get yourself to act.
/r/seduction26/09/12 08:29 AM
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yeah it's a feedback loop. can't improve one without the other.
/r/seduction26/09/12 02:05 AM
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Great stuff... much better than the vague inner game bullshit that seems to pervade this subreddit these days. We need more specific, actionable information/advice like this rather than "just be confident bro!" - keep it up!
/r/seduction25/09/12 03:01 AM
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HIGHLY recommend you read this guide by Mark Manson for insight and understanding into the whole club phenomenon: http://postmasculine.com/nightclubs-part-3
/r/seduction20/09/12 07:53 AM
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In that case you might find the scientifically rigorous "Mindsight" by Dr. Siegel to be more to your liking. Also in the category of self improvement material but without the new agey stuff.
/r/seduction20/09/12 05:44 AM
1

I would add that Mark Manson has always been a big proponent of the step-by-step approach and he gives a lot of actionable information to help people along. Definitely worth a read.
/r/seduction19/09/12 03:00 AM
2

This is a great rant. Somebody posted a similarly awesome diatribe against 'natural' game some months ago. It got deleted because it was a verbatim copy of a post on a seduction forum. Natural game is in vogue because it's easy for gurus to sell. Tyler of RSD fame apparently once said that 'routines are so important' even though he now does almost exclusively inner game stuff. I think the best compromise is to come up with a mix of your own routines and canned stuff so that it comes across more …
/r/seduction19/09/12 02:46 AM
1

I also think this manifests itself in guys who will only fuck super hot girls. It's important to have standards (non-physical standards especially) but I think it was DJ Fuji that said it's important to gain experience even with somewhat less attractive girls ("Only virgins bang only supermodels").
/r/seduction18/09/12 06:54 AM
3

Among PUA sites, this one has to be unique for having a whole section on increasing the size of your penis lol
/r/seduction13/09/12 04:12 PM
3

Nothing offensive about this given that it happens about once a day.
/r/seduction12/09/12 12:41 PM
2

If you're in a club/bar - alcohol. Yes, it's a crutch, but a good one as long as you don't overdo it. Tyler has said "the brain wants proof, not promises". Once you see that there's nothing to fear from opening everyone, you will slowly transition to doing it without the aid of alcohol.
/r/seduction12/09/12 03:26 AM
1

"Be your best self" and "don't give a fuck" are both great pieces of advice but the latter is not universally applicable. For example, you should give a fuck about your job. You shouldn't give a fuck about what people will think of you if you approach that cute girl on the street.
/r/seduction22/08/12 06:17 AM
2

introversion isn't an excuse to not take action. Totally agree with that. Thank you for clarifying. As an introvert myself, a lot of what your wrote resonated quite strongly. What you say about becoming present in the moment to take away dread and how everything is in your head is correct, but it doesn't offer any actionable advice to someone wanting to get good at seduction. Sure it gets you thinking in the right way, but if you look at how many mPUAs became good, they did lots and lots of appr…
/r/seduction22/08/12 06:14 AM
1

One of his videos on youtube. Sorry I don't remember which one but you can probably google the quote.
/r/seduction22/08/12 05:59 AM
1

Sounds like you're ascribing false motives to extroverts - they simply gain energy from being around people and while introverts think before talking, extroverts actually talk in order to think (thinking out loud).
/r/seduction22/08/12 05:58 AM
4

Introverts can be very social and great public speakers - but they need time alone to recharge whereas extroverts actually gain energy by being around other people. That's the key difference. I got the impression from the OP that he was advocating standing around trying to look cool and giving out flirty looks to girls before approaching. As an introvert myself, I've found that it's most effective to build momentum by talking to lots of people, thereby getting over the fear of rejection, and mee…
/r/seduction22/08/12 05:55 AM
3

That's an interesting idea. I'm definitely more at home contemplating deep questions than story telling.
/r/seduction22/08/12 05:49 AM
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Lots of good advice but some of it is dangerously close to the 'just be yourself' advice that gets guys nowhere. Just standing by yourself not talking to anyone but giving out what I think are flirty looks didn't work for me. Rather, it was much more effective to talk to many people to build momentum, girls included. After doing this for a while and realizing that there's nothing to be afraid of (As Tyler has said, "The brain wants proof, not promises."), much of the dread of talking to people g…
/r/seduction21/08/12 09:15 AM
1

Good work man. I'm trying to get into some daygame myself so thanks for the inspiration!
/r/seduction20/08/12 03:35 AM
1

Fuck yeah Tyler Durden RSD for inner game stuff and Sasha Daygame for "fuck it all i'm gonna fuck shit up"
/r/seduction16/08/12 08:58 AM
2

Something active is always fun, rather than just sitting and talking (there'll be time for that after the activity). Are you near any bodies of water sufficiently large to swim or boat in?
/r/seduction15/08/12 04:37 AM
3

well at least you tried. proves that single pickup lines are not a good way to go though.
/r/seduction15/08/12 03:34 AM
4

hahah he got me there. teases work great in seduction
/r/seduction01/08/12 05:59 AM
10

What about the congruence test mentioned at the start?
/r/seduction01/08/12 05:10 AM
1

haha no problem. helped me a lot too
/r/seduction31/07/12 12:47 PM
20

OP, as much as I applaud you for having the balls to approach, it does seem like she asked for the number with the intention to not call you. I really hope she does, but as a bartender she probably gets hit on all the time and uses this tactic to simultaneously make the guy feel good, get rid of him, and then not have to deal with calls/text messages from him.
/r/seduction26/07/12 08:35 AM
1

I was defining it from the perspective of the person arguing with solid logic and facts. Was I able to change the other person's mind? If so, then I would consider it a positive outcome. If I learned something from the other person as well, then even better!
/r/MensRights25/07/12 07:47 AM
1

Yeah I know the feeling. I think it has to do with wanting validation, even if it's from a bunch of strangers who may be totally unqualified to judge your argument.
/r/MensRights25/07/12 05:23 AM
1

I see your point, but my question is: what was your goal in the first place? Wasn't it to convince the other person of something?
/r/MensRights25/07/12 05:18 AM
1

From personal experience I would have to agree. And it's not even about what an audience or third parties might think - sometimes, I have to hold myself back so I don't feel like an asshole (which may be due to manipulation from the girl as well!).
/r/MensRights25/07/12 05:15 AM
1

What did you think of the book? To be frank, it scared me as I never realized how fragile and easily manipulated the human mind is. I'm planning to read Kahneman's book next.
/r/MensRights25/07/12 05:10 AM
1

I guess that depends on your definition of 'win'. You can 'win' by destroying the other person with facts/insults/etc., making him/her look stupid in front of others, or shouting loudly. Many people take this route, even though it rarely results in the other person actually changing his/her mind. Personally, I try to stay away from arguments of a political or religious nature because they often lead nowhere other than a raised blood pressure.
/r/MensRights25/07/12 05:05 AM
3

Well said! Rhetoric should be a required subject in school for all students.
/r/MensRights25/07/12 04:26 AM
1

But if you come off looking like the winner in the eyes of the audience, the person you were originally arguing with is going to be even more resentful and opposed to your argument. So who really won? I guess it depends how you define 'win'.
/r/MensRights25/07/12 03:56 AM
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I think it applies to all humans since we are primarily emotional and tribal and not logical creatures (see Daniel Kahneman's work for example). I do agree that in communities (subreddits?) where there's a strong feeling of 'it's us against them', emotional hysteria can take over very rapidly.
/r/MensRights25/07/12 03:54 AM
1

Good point - audience involvement is a huge factor in who appears to win. EDIT: spelling.
/r/MensRights25/07/12 03:36 AM
1

Did you see that in Cialdini's book "Influence"? Really great read if you're into understanding how compliance works.
/r/MensRights25/07/12 02:52 AM
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Unfortunately, winning arguments is often not about having the best logic and facts but rather the most emotional appeal and manipulative skills. Sometimes, people are so dead set in their ways that no amount of arguing will convince them to change their beliefs. Still, respect for trying!
/r/MensRights24/07/12 03:23 PM
2

'Attractive' doesn't refer solely to being physically beautiful, although handling the physical side is important (fitness, good diet, grooming, dressing). Read this and your perspective will definitely change.
/r/seduction24/07/12 02:52 AM
2

Dude girls want to be picked up by a confident, attractive guy. And even if you're not that guy yet, you'll never improve until you do lots of approaches.
/r/seduction23/07/12 07:57 AM
1

still works haha
/r/seduction19/07/12 07:38 AM
1

Don't spare the details man! Thanks for the post though, getting used to having my ego bruised is tough and hearing success stories keeps me motivated to keep going.
/r/seduction18/07/12 06:35 AM
5

And stay at hostels, not hotels. You will meet so many characters it's awesome.
/r/seduction17/07/12 02:57 PM
1

Would also recommend 60 years of challenge. Very unique and useful stuff from him.
/r/seduction17/07/12 02:56 PM
2

I mostly agree with what you said, except for this part: I do get rejections, but I know its not my fault. That girl either is not attracted to me for reasons I can't change, or she's got commitments. One should never dwell on a rejection but always thinking about how you could improve yourself (mentally, physically) can certainly improve your chances with the next girl you approach. If you get rejected, the girl either has commitments or is not attracted to what you've presented to her. What yo…
/r/seduction17/07/12 03:16 AM
1

Not sure I agree that assuming that other people think like you is a matter of training. Instead, I would say that it's natural to think that way because humans are all, to some degree, self-centered. We don't share a collective consciousness. Realizing that other people think in completely different ways from you and learning to empathize and think like them IS a matter of training though - is that what you were saying?
/r/seduction16/07/12 05:11 AM
1

Nah it's just a humor/variety site really. I agree that the article doesn't have much actionable information. I found it interesting that this belief about 'deserving' a girl was so pervasive and that can definitely identify with the frustration of constant repression. He did go off the deep end towards the conclusion by claiming that women are the reason that guys do anything.
/r/seduction16/07/12 05:06 AM
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Haha I was indeed one of those guys as well. Keep up the good fight!
/r/seduction16/07/12 05:02 AM
2

nope - I posted the link under captain_falcon7's reply.
/r/seduction16/07/12 03:26 AM
1

Perhaps you'd care to share some specific criticisms of this article?
/r/seduction16/07/12 03:13 AM
7

The article tends to be overly apologetic and mischaracterizes certain subreddits but makes some good points that PUAs should keep in mind (stuff we are culturally ingrained with without even realizing).
/r/seduction16/07/12 03:06 AM
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Cracked had a good article about how we, as guys, have been brought up to believe that we 'deserve' a girl simply for doing something cool, heroic, or noteworthy and how that underlying belief makes us hate girls when this doesn't actually happen. I have to keep reminding myself that the guy who gets the girl is the guy who GETS the girl.
/r/seduction16/07/12 02:51 AM
2

This probably sounds stupid but it's amazing how many times I have to remind myself to stop visualizing myself seducing a girl like it's a movie scene and just trust that the principles of game will work. The stuff we are constantly exposed to (tv shows, movies, etc.) has a profound effect on our internal dialog. This is partly why I also gave up porn completely.
/r/seduction16/07/12 02:48 AM
2

Indeed. OP, you are way too invested in this girl and from what you've written it seems she is not that invested in you. Also, it seems that you were playing too slow, just texting over the course of several weeks. Girls don't stay interested in you forever and often escalating fast leads to far better results than taking it slow and 'getting to know her' first (which is another way of saying 'I'm too scared to make my intentions clear').
/r/seduction09/07/12 07:23 AM
1

you'll have plenty more opportunities. girls love to use that shit test.
/r/seduction09/07/12 06:27 AM
2

Trying this out next weekend! Thanks brah!
/r/seduction09/07/12 03:19 AM
5

Postmasculine has a great post on neediness that you might find interesting: http://postmasculine.com/attract-women
/r/seduction09/07/12 03:18 AM
4

As always... seduction is ultimately about improving oneself. Very good post!
/r/seduction08/07/12 08:47 AM
1

whoah did not know this existed. can you publicize it for all of us that are ignorant of its existence?
/r/seduction26/06/12 03:29 AM
1

sweet - PM me if it comes through!
/r/seduction26/06/12 03:28 AM
1

Good thread - in Singapore for the next couple of months. Anyone down to game?
/r/seduction25/06/12 10:46 AM
1

Very interesting... I've always wondered about the details of that study and why it only commented on India and not any other country.
/r/seduction13/06/12 06:39 PM
1

Very well put - let's focus on things we have control over and stop worrying about the things we don't.
/r/seduction13/06/12 06:31 PM
2

This kind of stuff (incremental improvement) is what Style has in "Rules of the Game" in the 30 day challenge as well as Mark Manson's program.
/r/seduction09/06/12 04:27 PM
1

Glad you posted this cos there are too many long winded theories and not enough practical programs with incremental improvement in the seduction world. Great stuff.
/r/seduction09/06/12 04:25 PM
2

It's great stuff - incremental improvement. It's also what Style and Mark Manson recommend.
/r/seduction09/06/12 04:24 PM
2

This is simple and to the point (and awesome). I agree, saying I'm just here to have fun is clearly dishonest. Not sure I agree with all the people that say "be outcome independent". Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but it just sounds like an excuse for not approaching enough or escalating enough.
/r/seduction08/06/12 07:20 PM
13

What a detailed recollection. Waiting for the F close update!
/r/seduction08/06/12 07:08 PM
3

exactly... i fucking hate campaign season
/r/MensRights05/06/12 01:58 PM
1

Thanks for the jeans recommendation - I'm in the same situation and haven't found a good pair of tapered jeans yet.
/r/seduction30/05/12 08:33 PM
35

Congrats dude! You should add some details as to how the pickup happened.
/r/seduction29/05/12 09:57 PM
13

But doing all those things (showering, dressing well, etc.) will raise your odds of success.
/r/seduction26/05/12 05:18 PM
8

holy crap this is useful. I used to exhale into my cupped hands and then breathe back in through my nose.
/r/seduction26/05/12 05:17 PM
89

Sexual harassment lawsuits have been won on far less... EDIT: Not suggesting you start a lawsuit but certainly voice your displeasure to the originator.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 07:18 PM
1

What you cited from 60YOC is arguably the best part: the idea that momentum is one of the keys to successful game. Doing what you feel initially builds momentum, and talking yourself out of it kills it.
/r/seduction17/05/12 01:48 AM
3

As a TA myself, dating undergrads while the class is going on is not allowed due to the conflict of interest. But if the class is almost over then it should be OK. Maybe request a short, private office hours session and then just be direct and ask her to come out for coffee sometime after the class is over.
/r/seduction13/05/12 09:36 PM
7

Nice/good is ok as long as you're also assertive and unafraid to show intent.
/r/seduction13/05/12 02:34 PM
1

This is interesting to me given the image that undergrads seem to have of grad students being weird/creepy. I guess when you're drunk it doesn't matter (or maybe the creepy rep actually helps?). Have you seen much of that at your university?
/r/seduction11/05/12 06:15 PM
1

Same here. I just couldn't believe that someone could be that vengeful.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:33 PM
1

Damn is there any information detailing his journey through the game (like how did he practice, etc.)?
/r/seduction09/05/12 03:09 PM
3

Excellent article, and very overdue. Although the HB scale does take into account the girl's self-perception, most guys do not use it in that way.
/r/seduction16/04/12 10:18 PM
1

Chase Framing
/r/seduction17/03/12 01:55 AM
6

Damn, you know someone's legit when TofuTofu says he's near flawless. Excellent writeup, thanks.
/r/seduction17/03/12 01:44 AM
1

All those people that believe that shorter guys and taller girls can't get together should watch this, post-haste.
/r/seduction07/03/12 05:55 AM
3

Alpha is probably the most mischaracterized term in pick up artistry. MM did a nice article on what it really means to be alpha: http://postmasculine.com/butchering-the-alpha-male It's really about knowing yourself, controlling yourself (not dominating others), and being congruent while expressing yourself clearly and without apology.
/r/seduction05/03/12 04:05 PM
1

There's a reason he's a seven time NYT bestselling author :)
/r/seduction15/02/12 10:39 PM
2

Don't forget to write a FR
/r/seduction14/02/12 11:00 PM
5

this is the most important question.
/r/seduction09/02/12 12:59 AM
1

Really? I don't know about Singaporean girls but there are plenty of attractive foreign girls (Asian, European, etc.) from what I remember.
/r/seduction04/02/12 03:51 PM
3

You're an inspiration to Indian guys everywhere.
/r/seduction02/02/12 03:26 PM
1

I had a similar idea some time ago and pitched it informally to Neil Strauss - his assistant quickly but politely brushed me off saying that they had a tie up with a more established player in the app world to make this sort of app. No idea whether anything has come out of that though.
/r/seduction01/02/12 09:13 PM
1

In these kinds of situations it seems that people don't take women too seriously, knowing their capacity for hyperbole.
/r/MensRights30/01/12 11:34 PM
15

I think the response to a man saying that would definitely be different than for a woman saying it.
/r/MensRights30/01/12 11:34 PM
4

Why wait for an invitation anyway? Like many PUAs have said, assume attraction and escalate. If she's not into you, she'll let you know.
/r/seduction28/01/12 11:39 PM
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shut up and escalate.
/r/seduction11/01/12 04:45 AM
1

very interesting. that makes things much easier cos i often put too much pressure on myself to only try to pull 8-10s and end up with nothing.
/r/seduction26/12/11 09:55 PM
1

whoah great article. so basically if you want to fuck hotter girls consistently you have to fuck less hot girls as well?
/r/seduction26/12/11 12:10 AM
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sidebar.
/r/seduction26/12/11 12:04 AM
1

yes indeed... getting numbers is best done at the high point of a conversation.
/r/seduction25/12/11 12:16 AM
22

Cool stuff - more gurus need to have programs rather than just 300 pages of rambling thoughts.
/r/seduction22/12/11 10:16 PM
1

Thanks for doing this - lots of very good information here. I've been disturbed by all the gurus preaching natural game who basically just say to open everyone and play the numbers and eventually a girl will sleep with you. Or to look for a girl that seems 'into you' from the start, never mind that some girls will put up a harsh front but sleep with you 30 mins later. While avoiding oneitis is definitely good, I thought the purpose of game was to greatly improve your chances of sleeping with a g…
/r/seduction17/12/11 12:34 AM
4

exactly what bluntfang said... better to keep it in house and avoid the inevitable flame war.
/r/seduction12/12/11 04:04 PM
1

great to see another legendary tofu FR. you gonna be around in nyc for a while?
/r/seduction12/12/11 03:34 AM
5

goes to show that what you say is often not that important if you project the right emotions and body language.
/r/seduction12/12/11 03:33 AM
4

tofu has been putting up impressive FRs for a long while now. you'll get used to it.
/r/seduction12/12/11 03:32 AM
6

because what he did isn't conforming to people's preconceptions about how game SHOULD be run. results are really all that matter though!
/r/seduction12/12/11 03:31 AM
1

Nice I'm heading there myself around new year's time! St. James Power Station is usually popping and they have like 5 dance floors with different themes too.
/r/seduction19/11/11 06:17 PM
1

good to know, thanks.
/r/seduction06/11/11 08:13 PM
1

Whoah hold on a second. But, sperm can live up to 5 days inside a woman. You have a source for that? My understanding is that sperm die very quickly once ejaculated, especially once inside a woman.
/r/seduction06/11/11 04:53 PM
10

The next step in the evolution of Pick Up Artistry - total lifestyle development to serve one's intellectual, physical, emotional, and spiritual needs.
/r/seduction25/10/11 04:20 PM
6

Cool story bro. (I mean that seriously)
/r/seduction24/10/11 01:09 AM
1

I'm loving all the Disney seduction material popping up. First the Cool Runnings clip, now Aladdin. Is Mulan next?
/r/seduction21/10/11 04:02 PM
1

Haha same here. At this point there are enough PUAs of every race and color to show that it really doesn't matter. The issue comes in when YOU are uncomfortable with who you are because of a preconceived notion about what she is thinking about you. That sort of negative vibe gets picked up on very quickly.
/r/seduction10/10/11 10:29 PM
2

Check out Magic and Jeremy Soul - two Indian PUAs that will blow your preconceptions about race out of the water.
/r/seduction10/10/11 03:49 PM
5

This - the us vs. them mentality is detrimental to the cause.
/r/MensRights07/10/11 05:05 PM
2

ugh you've just described me. opening is usually easy.. but staying in is a problem as is escalating.
/r/seduction28/09/11 11:10 PM
8

STDs are something every PUA should be knowledgeable about... sadly there are not enough medically competent people in the community giving advice. Has anyone actually used a dental dam?
/r/seduction21/09/11 06:36 PM
1

Well said. It's incredible how many misconceptions are out there.
/r/seduction19/09/11 01:31 PM
5

Chase has so much excellent, unconventional advice. Worth reading all the articles on that site.
/r/seduction18/09/11 03:23 PM
2

Bullshit - the author's bias from the start is clear. He clearly does not understand the Mystery Method either.
/r/seduction25/08/11 03:56 PM
1

Great topic. Should one smile as well to avoid coming off as creepy? What kind of smile and when in the 'exchange'?
/r/seduction24/08/11 05:00 PM
2

all of his articles are refreshing and honest
/r/seduction22/08/11 08:01 PM
2

i am very interested to see this advice.
/r/seduction22/08/11 06:01 PM
1

Go on...
/r/seduction30/07/11 04:00 AM
1

lol nice visual. But seriously, no matter what you say, stick with it and ride it out. More often than not it will turn out fine.
/r/seduction26/07/11 10:45 PM
7

HOLD YOUR FRAME!!
/r/seduction26/07/11 02:54 PM
2

LOL... the black eyeliner would work perfectly!
/r/seduction11/07/11 11:07 PM
2

Bravo.
/r/seduction11/07/11 11:05 PM
1

Poutine is awesome, but holy fuck the girls ARE gorgeous. I thought NYC had it good but Montreal (especially during a holiday weekend + Jazz Fest) is absolutely overflowing with beautiful women. No closes, but definitely got a lot of practice and lessons!
/r/seduction05/07/11 08:15 PM
1

Good to hear! Will definitely try the poutine. Any recommendations on where to get the best poutine in town?
/r/seduction28/06/11 08:25 PM
1

The game is strong with this one :) Thanks!
/r/seduction28/06/11 08:24 PM
1

I like what I'm hearing (ok fine READING). Is Montreal like France in that people will pretend not to understand you if you start off by speaking English? I know very little French and would rather not make a total fool of myself in that regard.
/r/seduction28/06/11 08:23 PM
1

Haha skinny jeans aren't really my thing but thanks for the protip!
/r/seduction28/06/11 08:17 PM
1

Love the 3rd one. Thinking about things is good, but too much introspection doesn't make you a 'tortured artist' - it just makes you a fearful little child.
/r/seduction23/06/11 10:41 PM
1

Thanks for the study - I'll take a look at it. In return, here's a thread you might have already seen that discusses action oriented self-talk. Some of the daughter comments have some great links (one in particular is to Dr. Siegel's Google Tech Talks speech).
/r/seduction09/06/11 12:55 AM
2

The level of hate for the seduction community in the original comments was fantastic. Kinda sad really.
/r/seduction09/06/11 12:35 AM
2

Affirmations are just a form of NLP designed to reprogram the subconscious mind with constant reinforcement. I think it can be an important step to take, but it's just one part of the puzzle. As you say, actually getting success leads to real improvements in self confidence so perhaps affirmations are better thought of as a crutch to get you started.
/r/seduction06/06/11 02:53 AM
2

This is a great question - you might want to check out Way of the Superior Man by Deida for some great perspective.
/r/seduction05/06/11 04:34 PM
1

Me neither, just wanted to point it out as I used to think hookahs were completely harmless :)
/r/seduction01/06/11 08:52 PM
1

Sorry to put a damper on things, but hookah is not much better than cigarettes: link
/r/seduction01/06/11 02:57 PM
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lol yeah you should stick to never commenting
/r/seduction31/05/11 09:05 PM
5

Awesome article but I would've liked to see some hacks for 'civilians' to get the most out of the system.
/r/seduction23/05/11 10:14 PM
7

http://www.practicalpickup.com/the-broke-mans-guide-to-game
/r/seduction18/05/11 10:10 PM
1

Agreed - PUAs love to make fun of him nowadays but his quasi-scientific breakdown of attraction/seduction set the stage for so much material out there now. He is still worth listening to, though getting multiple perspectives is always good.
/r/seduction11/05/11 08:02 PM
2

Geographically? Jersey. You can probably guess I'm _____-American.
/r/seduction10/05/11 06:24 PM
3

"The First 3 to 5 Minutes" is a fantastic article.
/r/seduction08/05/11 04:38 PM
2

I didn't believe this until I tried it. It works. Your confidence and aggressiveness will go through the roof.
/r/seduction27/04/11 04:58 AM
3

We tend to think things are riskier than they actually are. If you do this stuff with confidence and a cocky grin you'll be fine. Besides, you don't know where the limits are until you cross them!
/r/seduction21/04/11 12:40 AM
16

Holy fuck! You win at life. What happened next?
/r/seduction20/04/11 07:34 PM
1

I agree that advice should not be given out unless thoroughly field tested and with some evidence that it works (an F close for example). However, what the OP has written here is consistent with the principles of teasing and being playful, all standard PUA strategies. As Nettik said, now you need to escalate!
/r/seduction12/04/11 04:46 PM
1

Amen to that.
/r/seduction12/04/11 04:31 PM
3

Would some kind soul care to mention what the top books in that collection are?
/r/seduction04/04/11 11:10 PM
12

That was... fucking beautiful. Pulling lots of high quality women is the natural result of living an awesome life. Looking forward to more posts.
/r/seduction30/03/11 06:57 PM
1

Haha this is actually a pretty creative idea!
/r/seduction29/03/11 10:07 PM
10

Don't forget that girls want to fuck too. They just can't be the ones to initiate, lest they get the dreaded 'slut' label.
/r/seduction26/03/11 07:06 PM
1

Start talking with people within the first 10 seconds of walking in. Always be seen with other people.
/r/seduction24/03/11 06:12 AM
3

I think you'll get a kick out of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVCcMpLe3_U
/r/seduction23/03/11 05:56 PM
5

Dave Wygant would be proud of you. You really created the 'moment' with the yogurt approach!
/r/seduction23/03/11 05:54 PM
1

Regarding #4: I mostly agree but it's also important to set and defend boundaries clearly and consistently. If she repeatedly flakes out, call her out on it. If she interrupts you, clearly and calmly remind her not to do that.
/r/seduction23/03/11 03:54 AM
1

A lot of the speakers are well known PUAs from the seduction community.
/r/seduction21/03/11 11:50 PM
3

I wonder if the mentioning of penis variations would be considered part of NLP....
/r/seduction16/03/11 07:19 AM
17

Now THAT'S confidence!
/r/seduction16/03/11 07:18 AM
3

Awesome article. It's like your true power is revealed once you've sunk so low you have nothing to lose.
/r/seduction10/03/11 01:36 AM
1

Absolutely agree. I was just referencing exactly what fromChumptoChamp said.
/r/seduction04/03/11 03:18 AM
29

This. This should be the real goal for all straight men. As Neil Strauss said: "The best way to seduce women is to have something better to do than seducing women."
/r/seduction03/03/11 06:58 AM
1

Always great to hear from guys going after big challenges.
/r/seduction25/02/11 11:37 PM
1

Nice discussion here. I would like to add one point: giving compliments too easily makes you seem 'too easy' and doesn't really hold any weight. Teasing negs are great for showing that you have standards and when you do finally give a real compliment at some point, it will carry much more weight and impact.
/r/seduction16/02/11 12:26 AM
3

Anything worth doing will take effort and time. You CAN change yourself, but it won't necessarily be a cakewalk. Don't be so hard on yourself and make small changes everyday or try new things everyday. One day, you'll look back and realize that all the little steps you took have suddenly added up to a very big journey.
/r/seduction10/02/11 01:04 AM
1

probably the top 15 from here: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/f8ejp/iama_mpua_interview_series_1_questions_savoy_of/
/r/seduction01/02/11 11:34 PM
36

When opening a group, I often feel very hesitant to open groups that seem very tight knit, especially if they are having a great conversation by themselves. It seems that my entry would only disrupt things and result in annoyance from all the members. I mean, if I were in a group with my friends and having a great conversation, I think I would be very annoyed by some upstart barging in and asking for opinions on a girl his friend is dating or whether he should get a tattoo, etc. It just seems di…
/r/seduction25/01/11 01:13 AM
4

To sum it up: rejection = feedback, and feedback = means to improve
/r/seduction20/01/11 05:50 PM
1

Understand the principles and come up with your own shit... the general methods are always valid even if the specifics get overused.
/r/seduction18/01/11 10:56 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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