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DiscussionApplesauceThegod/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:15 PM
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I apologize, I guess I should say that because I live in America which is predominantly white Even within all of that and ironically this can go into the feminist theory of intersectionality. I do believe this can trickle down to all Races of men. I still have not found a single culture that does not hold the woman in some type of mythical self-esteem. If you look at any culture there's always some great mother figure whether it be a queen or a goddess. And that kind of makes sense because we ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:32 PM

When I was a young man I used to think the same thing but as I got older and experienced relationships myself I started to question a lot of the things the women in my family told me. Now as I say that believe me my dad was a deadbeat and I'm not shy about letting him know that but at the same time I also know that my mom was not the best partner especially to him and my step dad. I remember a lot of days where my mom would spend hours arguing and yelling at my stepdad and he would just take it …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:30 PM
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Of course and ironically that kind of makes my point even stronger because of the fact that, you could be the best thing on paper but there's no guarantee that you will have a good outcome and you say that being more assertive and clear in your communication improves your life and I agree but like everything else we shouldn't assume that things will go our way just because of that And honestly I don't even think most women even really think that far when it comes to thinking about why and how me…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:25 PM

If we truly think ourselves Progressive and understanding about how different groups of people operate and how they will be perceived and we actually need to start acting like it but so far in our culture, we only seem to do that for certain segments of society and even I can see that. No that white man down the street probably is not racist or toxic. Just because things like white supremacy and racism exists does not mean every single white person is racist or crazy. I remember when I was a kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:20 PM
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You're thinking of it from some type of malicious angle. What I'm saying is a guy who was completely genuine could behave differently in a misguided way because he was rejected or made fun of because he was being genuine Believe me and if it were from a manipulative angle I bet most guys still would not like it. As much as I hate it I have a friend who told me that he straight up makes up lies about his life in order to get girls and it is a little shady but I can also understand why he would do…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:13 PM

It is increasing the divide and that's because a lot of girls really aren't self aware I hate making life a competition but our society has basically done that but if we are judging it based off of a conference so alarming that so many American women not realize how privilege they are even compared to their male counterparts The American woman is probably the most protected and privileged women in history All those white women in the 1800s and before were right next to their husbands and brother…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:35 PM
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But it's the reasons behind it which I don't think a lot of people understand and it's a little bit more complex than just saying that guy is nervous or scared or a weirdo My short friends ironically try to give me to be a little bit more assertive with girls and I told them this is a big difference of experiences just between me and them because they are shorter therefore they're not looked at as threatening They can act a little bit more wild or jovial around girls but for some reason whenever…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:33 PM
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You're kind of proving my point, because you perceive the guy being nervous as some type of beating puppy when he could be doing that in an attempt to respect you. I don't think a lot of girls are aware of this because you guys are usually the ones being approached. But nine times out of 10 the guys usually acting nervous because he doesn't want to offend you or he's even had a past experience where he was trying to be assertive and it backfired Just because he doesn't approach you confidently d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:31 PM

I literally been in conversations with women when they talk about how they feel Danger and how they think this guy's x y and z bus the same women will try to tell me how much of an anti-racist they are and how Progressive they are and usually they believe it themselves but their actions say something different I'm a black man and I am very self aware about all the crazy over and covert ways racism will affect me and because I know that I myself try not to use the same crazy racist logic against …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:28 PM

You can debate me or you can message me it doesn't matter
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:25 PM

We should be constantly checking our unconscious biasis especially nowadays since politicizing And discussing that as a culture and I would argue these times are where you should be thinking about your unconscious biases the most because if you don't then you cannot call yourself Progressive or empathetic or intersectional
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:25 PM

Statistically speaking if a woman is to be attacked it's going to be by someone in her own personal life such as a boyfriend or a husband or a co-worker or an uncle Like I get it dude but once again when you're the class of people who are designated as the danger you don't really feel that empathetic Like I said my mom taught me to be careful about walking behind women when I was younger because all it takes is for her to say one thing and it's my word versus hers. That statistic is actually som…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:24 PM

It's also reinforced by our society and standards and media. I think it's too much of a cop-out to say it's just a men and women's lives because of course that's going to make sense that you don't do them as unfavorable because they're the men literally in your life ironically, the men you know are most likely the ones who will assault or hurt you And of course I'm not saying the men in your life would but this is something I always found so strange with women and it's such a glaring hole in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:20 PM
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In a perfect world this would be true. But not everything and not everyone is going to be perceived a certain way You could be the most assertive dude on Earth and state your opinions in all of that, but that's not a guarantee that women will find it attractive nor is it a guarantee that most people will even see it as assertiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:16 PM
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Most people are already like that but life is not simple and there's been so many times where I have been assertive where it has backfired and we have to stop assuming that everybody is going to be super grateful to everyone and going to be super understanding I'm a big black dude so being assertive can look super confident at best and can also make me look like an a****** or like I'm a stereotype at worse I've had girls look at me crazy because I went up to them assertively and I have also turn…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:15 PM
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See it's not manipulation though because you guys see it in a way of them trying to manipulate you but it's crazy because your post kind of proof my point You assume he's acting this way because he's just trying so hard to manipulate you but I know so many examples of myself and other men doing it because the opposite has backfired Tell me the truth how many men have you turned down that did exactly what you said in your reply They try to be themselves and cool and not trying to seem like they'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:14 PM
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But you can understand that I myself can come up with all the same reasons why men feel disrespected often and continuously in ways that Society won't notice
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 01:09 AM
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If you listen to feminist narratives they would have you thinking that all men were a danger but statistically speaking that can't be true because most women will be assaulted by someone they know in their own family or personal life If we really wanted women to worry about their safety then we should tell them to watch out for their own family members versus the guy down the road and as I say that that does not mean that there are potential dangers outside of the family or not
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 09:09 PM
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I don't think most women are self aware especially given that you guys are very keen on not being disrespected but yet find it almost easy to disrespect men without even realizing it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 09:07 PM
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Actually it's the opposite men were taught that they give their everything to the community and their family and they will be rewarded with at least respect but that's not happening and the way you wrote this kind of just proves it No man wants a woman to complete his life but most men want that woman to at least respect him and be an enemy or someone who's going to tear him down especially nowadays where we're supposed to be equal
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 09:07 PM
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But you have to realize is that every single girl is going to look at this guy very differently and as you get older and only gets worse because most girls aren't going to entertain a guy who's a virgin Like imagine you're a guy that was a virgin at age 19 and every girl around you told you that they could not see themselves with you because you were a virgin And then you turn 20 and you get the same reaction and then you turn 21 and get the same reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:07 PM
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Realistically just only so much they can do because even if this guy loses weight that does not fix his face and even if he makes more money there's no guarantee that a woman would respect him. This is why a lot of guys are opting out because it's a lot of different works with almost no guarantee and sometimes you need it and sometimes you don't Like there are tons of guys that don't need to be financially stable to get a girl but for a guy that's an attractive on so many levels he himself may n…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:06 PM
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Think about how easy it is to disrespect a man and no one would question or say that it was bad behavior but if a man has any inkling of doing the same to a woman he's immediately jumped off
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:58 PM
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Bad things are going to happen of course but you don't need many men to still keep your society and culture intact which is why we are ready to send more young men to die for but if all of the women Were Somehow to be eradicated in something so quick like a war then your entire culture is at risk of completely dying out One could argue that the reason why a woman could even try to act abrasive against a man is because she instinctively knows that because she is a woman she can get away with more…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:57 PM
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Okay it's on a black dude and when I was 18 I was falsely accused and I wasn't even hitting on the girl but because I was a big dude and she was so frightened she assumed I was trying to do XYZ but thank God that I was pretty social because most people at the school knew my personality type and they defended me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 02:10 PM
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It's not lie but that unattractive man is going to have to do a lot of unnecessary extra things to get the same amount of reciprocation that the attractive man will
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 02:03 PM
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It's not the rejection hurts is that no one wants to put themselves out there to look like a potential creep or or weirdo as a man and especially if you're a minority man because even if you take all of that and stride that does not mean that that girl is going to reject you gracefully I asked out a girl who I'm pretty sure was into me and she kept showing signs and all the class knew it but she ended up rejecting me Which was all cool and dandy but you can imagine my surprise when I go to schoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:42 PM
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I come from the hood and ironically I can understand the ideas about biology because if you look at the black man in the black woman our situation is kind of a weird amalgamation of what's going on with America in general How can a man be a traditionally Western idea of a man if he has spent all of his time in the country being brutalized and oppressed How do you protect your woman if you have no money or protection yourself and all attempts to get that usually in with you being incarcerated or …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:39 PM
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I agree with all of that believe me I do I just don't think that a man needs to be this big hulking caricature of some anti hero from the '90s to be successful
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:36 PM
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There isn't and I don't think there really is one type of any type of person
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:35 PM
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And once again bro these types of conversations really aren't helping these types of guys if you do view them that way because if they were to read something like this it's not like they are going to become better people all around I could easily went down a different path if I would have read this type of stuff at age 16 or 17 just because I was going through an abusive household in the hood And I'm from the hood so you know what types of archetypes and people I meet all the time and even with …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:33 PM
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I don't think that's opposite of a nice guy and that guy is not always the best type of guy because not caring about what other people thinking and just doing what you want only work so far. You're thinking about an internet caricature instead of an actually genuine nice guy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:31 PM
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That sub is also what I'm talking about. If both men and women continuously read things like that then of course you're going to view guys who are actually nice as one of these types of guys and even as I say that we only see these guys on the screen I could go out with a girl right now and still make an account and go on a rant about similar things
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:28 PM
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I don't think it's because of my niceness by itself but I don't think it hindered me either I define success with women as getting more callbacks and getting more dates and all around just having a better time even if it doesn't end with sex or a relationship Right now I'm talking to a girl online and I had a last fling about 2 months ago My fling literally like me because I was way Kinder as her ex-husband literally abused her
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:27 PM
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Someone nice he's not going to be rude and especially someone who is empathetic is not going to be rude on purpose and nine times out of 10 most of the stuff like that we do is because we personally Justify to ourselves And I would argue that's 99% of the reason why human tragedy happens because bad things happen and then we choose to do bad things and then justify it to ourselves because of those past deeds and sometimes it's valid But I would view a nice guy as someone who does not actively be…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:25 PM
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I will agree that these types of girls usually aren't good because they do swing branches a lot Which makes sense because they continuously dating criminals is a recipe to not get any type of stability whether that be Financial or mental But these girls are so attuned to dating these types of guys that it's too late Right now I'm talking to a girl who was on drugs and will call the guy that is giving her money a weirdo in a creep but in reality she's sleeping with him for the money This girl is …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:18 PM
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Now outside of good Man and Batman I do believe in general that both genders are attracted to people who fit outside the norm regardless of their personality I'm pretty sure that's why you have such an increase in interracial dating as well outside of it being more socially acceptable If you're the only white / black / Asian / whatever dude in an entire sea of other types of dudes then you are going to be looked at as differently regardless but that will probably also make you seem more exotic A…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:16 PM
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Because like you're kind of proving my point because if I was 18 and read this post I would think that you were crazy and somehow that guys have to be this weird super manipulators to get friends and romance but as I've gotten older it's clearly that's not the case I really don't agree with this post. Most people are nice because they want to and they don't want to be rude to people
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:12 PM
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How do you explain my background then
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:11 PM
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They do come from backwards childhoods because I come from the hood and all the women in my family follow the same pattern of men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:09 PM
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What I'm trying to tell you is that my entire life kind of proves all this wrong Maybe I shouldn't say prove wrong but I don't think it's really that much of a thing that's worth discussion because we will never be able to measure what guy is really nice and what God really isn't and what guy is nice and strong and what guy is strong and not nice and Etc Both sides get it wrong because we think more so of emotion and the worst things that happen with these types of people instead of looking at a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:09 PM
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Once again bro I'm telling you I really have not changed that much from that weirdo kid in high school and I have had success One of my girlfriends even complimented me because of how well I treated her
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:06 PM
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That's my point though The girls will call you a nice guy in an attempt to shame you and the men will call you that as an attempt to make you feel how they feel But taking a step back and object looking at my life and my friends' lives I just can't really say that there is these weird rules and ideas about nice guys and who's nice and sneaky and who's nice and not and Etc What I'm telling you is a guys can be different facets in different personality types and still be successful with girls. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 04:05 PM
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And once again my friend I'm super nice and I have had more success with women in these last couple of years than I ever did when I was younger and could be argued to be this a hole guy even though I really wasn't I was working out in self-improofing and by reddit's Logic that should have been way more attractive than the man I am now But my life experience just keeps proving it different
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:55 PM
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And also something that you can get more money in these types of conversations is we'll get to decide who is this genuine nice man or not I get that you guys are the women and that you guys choose but you guys aren't mind readers or or knowing I remember girls you used to ignore me would come up to me after my autistic brother enroll in our high school. And it is cliche that they did not give me any attention but I guess when I saw my brother they saw actual proof of my real life and how hard it…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:54 PM
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And once again this is more of an Internet caricature honestly something that could ironically make dating worse for men and women because of a young man read all this he's not going to take anything positive from it When I was younger and read all these anti nice guys post I literally thought to my problem was for the fact that I was always positive and friendly and here comes my confusion years later when people are complaining at me that I'm no longer friendly or positive as I once was And ke…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:51 PM
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That's gonna happen naturally because of gender differences and all the frustrations that happened with it I would argue even more so today because on paper were equal but it's clear to men and women that we still clearly are not treated the same whether that's because of our biology or sociology has yet to be seen I know something that personally frustrated me as a young kid was for the fact that so many of my female companions could literally pick apart what a guy should be and not be doing ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:50 PM
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Honestly as a man growing up I could have written this to a woman I'm pretty sure if you ask the common dude he feels exactly this way towards his female counterpart
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:47 PM
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But with women it's worse because ironically because of our biology and the fact that both men and women have a favorable bias towards women, is why you see more of a society giving attention to women's issues over men because it all comes from all of our Collective biology If a woman and a man got hit by a car and we're in the middle of the street crying and in pain. Everyone of every gender will empathize and rush to women's aid first. As much men's issues that go on that are clearly obvious i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:45 PM
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I get what you mean but bro I still identify as a nice guy and I have had girlfriends and flings I'm 26 next month
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:42 PM
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And the crazy thing is there really are no rules because I have had success with picking up girls in doctor's offices and grocery stores I made a post about this but I really do think it's in men's best interest to just not care about what women think because at least for myself I know I was single for years because I kept following these stupid rules about when and where to approach
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 08:29 PM
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Okay instead of thinking ass people being attractive instead imagine these two being unattractive That means that each one of them has to do certain things to be accepted. It doesn't matter how nice or cool a short broke dude is but most girls are still going to ignore him because he's broke and short Now if that same short dude came across a million dollars tomorrow it may look very different because now he has something that he can Leverage
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 02:47 PM
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To be honest with you I think good guys are going to be viewed as having no bad phone anyway even if they do have one just because the stereotypes seem to be that strong
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 01:55 PM
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Yes. He's giving more time and energy in the hopes of getting a more useful and attractive woman and he still trading something in the hopes to get it and she is also doing something as well. Every time she takes a risk of sleeping with a man she has to weigh up options and this isn't like something that we all really think through. It's more so innate because of our biology
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 04:13 AM
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You feeling attracted to certain traits about a man because he had to get those things it was transactional and I know it doesn't feel that way because you as a woman aren't dating women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 04:10 AM
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This isn't Rocket Science Men have to do way more things to be seen as attractive and even then there's no guarantee they will get sex so that's what makes it transactional That's why men have done crazy and stupid stuff throughout history and the attempt to look good in front of the women they favor
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 03:16 AM
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Bro after a while this stuff should not be rocket science, Men can't just go outside and attract anybody with just their looks alone and not only that even if they could most women are not going to go up to those men because those same women will most likely send out signals for him to come to her It's transactional because if the man did not have certain things then you would not be attracted to him and despite all of that nine times out of 10 most girls do not match the men that they are attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 03:15 AM
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For this ironically reinforces what he said. You say it's on them and that's because they're probably not working on things or weren't born with certain things they gave them that type of edge for a woman to be attracted to them It's the same reason why you don't see many male only fans and why men don't get into clubs for free. Even in our most equalized times it seems like women still manifest sex as transactional and it kind of makes sense because our biology has not changed Even for a hookup…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 12:31 AM
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Ive had three girlfriends I was called weird and confident in high school My pointbis people and in this case women don't always know what they want. I'm not aboinnacke of masculinity and even I can get a date
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:54 PM
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What do we do about it then because as a man who is underclass we all know how hard it is to raise class when you are born into it and for the fact that you are born into it it is by definition unfair and not your fault Yeah we're seeing in our modern dating just how much the common man is suffering versus literally the top one percenters and even more so because our society swears that we are all equal when our dating habits in the last four decades have proven that we are very far from it If y…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:30 AM
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I really think we need to separate politics and what's morally good with love and dating because we'll never come with a good outcome because most people are very self serving Socializing and dating really have no rules but we as a society put human rules and constructs on it because it's a part of who we are as people but because we've tried so hard to make something irrational seem right and just What's the difference between these types of men picking up mentally ill girls versus girls who wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:26 AM
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I'm from the Southern United States and honestly we have the same problem except for too many girls like to become Born Again virgins later on and it's so clear that it's become a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:22 AM
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It was crazy to me is that because of that same reason you think there would be any stigma on virginity for either gender and that's why I find it kind of hypocritical and crazy when people talk about how they don't want to date virgins even though they themselves were virgins at one point and had to start from somewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:22 AM
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But for the fact is that a guy could go to five women and be rejected for whatever reason but then girl number six will literally accept him for the same reasons the other five women rejected him for Believe me I hate old approaching and approaching women as well because of all the inherent frustrations and hang ups but what I'm telling you is that you could literally be super attractive and still be viewed as creepy because creepy is relative I was called creepy because I was not a walking ster…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:21 AM
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I'm not. But I've been in their shies and know how stuff operates Go back and read
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:45 AM
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My point is a guy will be few creepy for reasons outside of his control usually Not a man should not be too worried about coming off past creepy because you can be completely normal and still come off that way and even further, worrying about this and being Ultra respectful to women isn't going to make them like you more or even respect you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 03:27 AM
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If most young guys read your story they were probably avoid girls but that's the opposite problem because we can't really put this burden on ourselves as men to be worrying about before coming off the street or not because that's how you spend most of your twenties and teenage years on the sidelines
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:49 AM
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You're actually kind of proving my point because you said yourself that you were normal and that you were literally having a nice conversation and from your perspective everything should have been good because she was responding positively And of course you find out later that you're having over spread about you because while you weren't being creepy it's very easy for girls too brat to their friends about creepy guys who hit on them even though you're not even hitting on it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:48 AM
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You contradict yourself when you say women are much more likely to be amendable because that just assumes that people are going to take you seriously How many times have been been to college school guy only to be rejected for the guy that was more abrasive The fact that I have pulled some girls and grocery stores should prove you wrong Point is as men you cannot be apprehensive about this even with all of these narratives because you will find yourself on the sidelines and you will find yourself…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:21 AM
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I'm not a virgin but I wonder how much anxiety this causes so many people because I felt it when I was. I feel like saying I never had sex should be completely appropriate
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 08:57 PM
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Read post stop acting like what I'm saying is somehow controversial
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 07:10 PM
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Everything you said is only a stereotype and I know this because so many girls have given me that BS answer before and I get it but at the same time you can't just agree with it especially when you yourself have not seen it in your own life You can have other experiences without penetrating a girl also and I hate how this correlation between being a virgin and being obsessive is somehow here because that's just not the case I'll be honest with you I feel like this is just another BS answer inste…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 07:06 PM
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I really don't think they even notice it and that's something else that I think is a part of the problem when we talk about attraction and if people can perceive how you are I'm still very much a nerd that I was in high school and for that reason I really don't think girls are really self aware or even accurate in how they perceive men I'm a 6'6 black guy and people all my life have told me that I was going to be a walking stereotype even though I had no traits or signs of becoming so Not only t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 07:04 PM
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As a guy who went from zero attention to a lot of attention just based off of looks alone I do really believe that you can do everything right and still feel You could be the most confident nerd ever and still get rejected based off the fact of your nerdiness or you have pimples or whatever and you can see the hypocrisy in that Dating unfortunately is a game
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 07:02 PM
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And what I'm telling you bro is you could have done absolutely nothing I do agree that some girls will be yes guys when they are looking for an excuse and that's a behavior that needs to stop also because the same girls can't expect guys to be understanding or respectful of them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 07:00 PM
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I don't understand why it's so unreasonable in a culture of sex work and only fans already I recently blocked a girl who had the audacity to share her cash app information with me because she was just that entitled to expect money out of a guy I really don't think girls have any problems sexualizing themselves and I'm not one of those guys who thinks they should nor does that mean we're all entitled to women's bodies but, I don't understand why this is so unreasonable given that I can literally …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:59 PM
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Society clearly cares about being judging women because otherwise we would not have 40 Years of hard feminism I hate feminism don't get me wrong but I agree with their ideas about genders being constructs and needing to be deconstructed but my biggest beef with feminism is that they don't do this themselves Feminism is like the scammy preacher that you know is scamming people because he's obviously not following what he preaches even though he sounds like he is What I'm trying to say is that I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:57 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:55 PM
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Looking back I actually was pretty well I literally met her at the best time of my life and I regret feeding her because she brought me down so much You can still be very much upset and hurt and still be confident and grow I will probably never get over what happened but that has not stopped me so far with other stuff in life If I was authoritated with this girl it would have ended badly because most girls don't know what they want I'd imagine she make up some narrative about me being abusive bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:52 PM
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You may don't go Society clearly does give him how much feminist propaganda we have been forced fed for the last 40 years and I still agree with half a feminism but they lose out when they don't follow what they preach and our dogmatic about denying gendered biology The main reason why I became a few minutes when I was younger was because I foolishly believe them when they said they understood men and that they were working to destroy men's gender roles as well but to my surprise that was not tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:50 PM
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I'm not a virgin anymore but I also know that guys do need help with this type of thing A guy should not have to go through all these hoops but I have so many experiences from age 16 to 26 that tell me differently than what the common advice is When I was a virgin I get more confident in my friend group who were sexually active but that did not really help me I'm in the most messed up State of Mind ever in my life right now at 26 and I have had more attention from women than I ever thought I wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:49 PM
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I don't know but I don't know what else could help fix the problem Guys can only maximize their looks and money in other stuff for so long and once again all this assumes that girls are going to be cool with you anyway I remember being rejected by girls who swore I was somehow not masculine or weird, and keep in mind even though it's the right to reject you, most of these rejections were based off of stuff that wasn't even accurate I myself was rejected by my own virgin girlfriend when we were b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:48 PM
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After many months and years of scraping I did lose my virginity but because of that experience this is why I made this post Looking back I was actually pretty positive and confident but there's just something about being a virgin that just puts red flags on you even though it shouldn't There are 18 year old male virgins getting shamed and that's how you know how deep it is because they're literally 18 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:46 PM
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You can be the most confident dude ever about this type of thing and you can still get rejected because I really don't think it's the confidence If a girl finds a reason to reject you she's going to stand on that reason even if it doesn't make sense I'm not a virgin anymore but even back at my most insecure days I will still relatively more socially attuned than most of my peers and I know this because I used to give speeches and give the page when most of my other peers literally would shake wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:45 PM
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I guess this is why men lie
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:39 PM
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I find this funny because girls hate being judged so much but they're the main ones who are so judgmental. No one should be getting judged at all according to so many people when it comes to sexual things. But you can't have it both ways We can't shame men for being virgins and then shame them for going to prostitutes but I guess that's why I'm in my
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:39 PM
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Why the Judgment at all
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:38 PM
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I'm not saying these girls have to do this by force. I do think these girls should be paid a lot of money for the work that they will potentially be doing but I don't think it's a bad idea to give young men a head start especially when they're going into a game we know it's built to weed you out If I had a son I knew he was a virgin at 17 and 18 I would like to send him to one of these because I know what it was like for me at his age and despite being told differently , he will get a rude awake…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:38 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:37 PM
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But there does become a problem because it's a clear double standard in hypocrisy especially since our modern times have politicized dating and sex I hate this mindset but I have to type it out to give you an idea what I'm talking about. You cannot expect me to be ultra respectful and understanding of a woman's problems when it comes to her gender and gender roles but yet at the same time completely have no empathy about men I don't doubt that many men become lifelong versions because of the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:36 PM
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In theory a guy should be able to state that he's a virgin and there shouldn't be any judgment especially nowadays Guys are not allowed to judge women in almost every single level when it comes to socializing and sex and of course there's no guarantee but the expectation is still there When going on dates guys are almost expected to give everything while simultaneously expected to not ask for anything in return and it gets a little old going on date after date trying your best to put on your bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:33 PM
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You shouldn't have to lie and I hate that you have to but in my opinion this is kind of why I believe there's so much animosity because in theory girls should not have a problem with the guys virginity Men are told since day one that we have to be extra careful and attentive to a woman sexually and I don't just mean physically. We have to make sure she's comfortable and that she's okay with certain things. And we're definitely told not to shut Shame But you can see the hypocrisy because the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:30 PM
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It happened to me twice and I know so many other guys wish this has happened
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:29 PM
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This won't be by force and the women should be paid very handsomely. I don't really see a different than any other service. We do stigmatize sex and sex work while also destroying stereotypes and also giving an experienced guys something to work off of when they go back into the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:29 PM
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Not force. This will be by choice and I believe these women should be paid handsomely for this
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:28 PM
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Tons of people lie and tons of women will go to their graves with certain lies How many women will lie about having a kid by another man? I hate this too my dude but I also am realistic and I know people A super confident virgin who has swag and who has a normal life can potentially find a girl who can look past it but my lived experience tells me that one should not put too much hopes in this I broke up with my girlfriend because she cheated on me while forcing me to wait to have sex with her. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:27 PM
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Text work can be predatory but as someone who stated in excess worker we can't review it is something positive and at the same time shame men who use it There are so many people about genders who make it to their twenties without any experience You cannot trust these types of self-reporting surveys especially when it comes to dating and sex Don't get me wrong these women working in these places should be paid a lot of money and enough to wear it can give them upward Mobility because I understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:24 PM
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If I still have my standards at 18 I would probably still be a virgin only because I have to realize that I'm asking for something that a lot of women just are not going to do I got virgin shamed by my own 18-year-old virgin girlfriend while I was at the same age as her And I know I'm not unique in that type of situation Basically a guy would do better if he lied and took at least some experience out of that. I would argue this is how guys do get more experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:21 PM
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That's because we're conditioned to keep it quiet because of the same things I typed above but also because guys can't afford to have these types of Standards because you end up being single for years Believe me I used to have high standards when I was a kid in high school but it was a rude awakening learning that while I have these high standards I am slowly losing out on time to gain experience because women are the ones who pick And yes sometimes girls will ask
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:20 PM
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You have to realize that you are a success story and every one of your stories there's at least 10 more guys who went through a similar thing but had a girl completely reject them and most of the time this rejection is graceful That sounds amazing but from my own experience I also know that not every girl is as open-minded as your girlfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:15 PM
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This assumes that girls are going to be okay with the virginity though It's not a question if you want them or not because guys really don't have a choice I have steered away from so many girls that I knew would be great today but they would have a very immature reaction to my virginity so I never tried Nothing is worse as a guy than having a good time with a girl thinking that she would be the one to finally be able to be sexual with only for this girl to hold the same judgments that she hersel…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 06:08 PM
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I have to wonder what do we mean by social skills If we're talking about things to do and not to do in order to give us Social Power then I don't really agree wholly myself. Celebrities have tons of crazy outward flaws and works that otherwise we will call unsatisfactory but that did not stop these people from gaining some type of power but I wonder if it's because they already had power or is because a certain group of people already fit with them I don't doubt that men and women could be relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 04:22 AM
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As I get older it's hard for me to take a lot of people serious and swear they're just ultimately confident and have no problems I get what you mean bro but I guess the fact that you are replying to me kind of proves my point I can give you all the evidence and everything else to prove you wrong but I doubt that it will change much From your perspective you may see my confidence a little differently because we're only on Reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 03:50 PM
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A lot actually especially since we've got an older and especially since both young girls and young boys mature Bro you can have all the self-esteem and confidence and there's no guarantee you will get a good outcome all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 03:40 PM
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Boys who do not approach the way a girl wants to or does it in a way that is received as weird or creepy do not get rewarded but it made fun of I know so many men including myself that had rumor spread about them or got bullied or made out to be creeps because they went after the wrong girl I do not agree that women have it easier but I hate when people just make it seem like men have it so easy when it comes to courting women because there is so much that could go wrong and so much of your self…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 03:27 AM
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I'm telling you as a man that has broken traditional gender roles my entire life that's what you said is not true On paper we should be able to express ourselves without any social pressure but men and women both perform because it seems that it's much more advantageous to conform One of the biggest reasons I was single in middle school a nd high school was for the fact that because I was a feminist In my head I told myself that if girls wants to be equal then they should be able to approach us …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 03:01 AM
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I agree and this is why I believe love and sex should have never been politicized because human nature and socializing and dating are not rational things How many women that give long speeches about consent are usually the same girls who put themselves in horrible and dangerous positions around dangerous men? And I'll be honest as a man knowing that most of my female peers are doing this to themselves it does kind of make it hard to respect them because they continuously make the choice to put t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:20 AM
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I completely agree but too many feminists cannot even see that there should stinks and that they themselves are the very thing that they hate It's like the people who call themselves not racist but clearly their actions show that they are You can most definitely believe in equality and not show it in your actions And most feminists fit that category Modern women really are not self-aware that they are the most protected in private group in history doubly so because they can literally choose if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:18 AM
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It's a really hard to believe that young men do not just want to share their body with anybody just like a young woman would Young men are stupid either and I'll be damned if I repeat a cycle my parents and stepparents did Sex with the wrong person too soon can leave major consequences because women end up pregnant and the worst thing that can happen to a young man is getting the wrong girl pregnant at a young age when both of them are not ready And a lot of this has to do with peer pressure
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:17 AM
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You also can't just use feminism as a shield from criticism and that's what I myself can criticizing You can't call yourself a feminist and then be a housewife because it's contradictory and I'm telling to attend the same thing as housewife is not going to be super open to other forms of gender expression just because she believed she is My point is most feminist or not self aware of that they perpetuate the same standards and they're also not aware that they are using feminism as some sort of S…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 01:02 AM
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That's the point is that self-proclaimed feminists will still exhibit sexist Behavior without being self-aware that they do it and that's my point
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:54 PM
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If you ask the common feminist they will tell you that gender is a construct and anything done inside of a gendered lens is not good conduct but clearly they don't follow the same thing they preach and oftentimes have tunnel vision with their abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:54 PM
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I agree. Doing casual sex has not really done anything on my self-esteem but really give me some give me something else to worry about It's been so much time worrying about if the girl is okay and safe and if you're coming off a certain way did it kind of takes the fun out of all of it Like you might as well go home and get drunk or get a girlfriend instead
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:54 PM
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That's good. I have so many experiences of trying to be slow in a girl just seems to want to go too fast and she's not really flattering about it No guy wants to be the dude that gets laughed at in the girls version of locker room talk when she's gossiping with her friends And dudes on stupid. We have our own intuition and we pick up on things just like you guys do even if it's a different way
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:52 PM
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And this is exactly why so many guys have this frustration and it's such a wild experience because it completely obliterates so much of the feminist narrative. Gender roles are obviously still a thing because the girl is literally calling you a p**** based off of your sexual performance which implies she thinks guys need to do certain things to be seen as real men It also destroys the narratives around consent and sex because you literally didn't even penetrate her and wanted to take things slow…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:50 PM
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You're misreading it because as a young man been in a similar situation I understand exactly Our culture and ideas about sex with women are always under the guys of their safety which is always going to be true and is a good thing but it also kind of misleads young men because how many young women are actually attracted to more rough sex Especially during the hook up a young man does not know or could read a young lady's mind or what she would want and it's not like the lady is going to tell him…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:47 PM
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And honestly most people do have low in counts and the people who say they have it in like the hundreds usually are lying Even though my darkest days I know not every woman is just evil or has no empathy but so many girls even in the flirtation modes will make fun of certain things about guys or push guys and we're all expected to take it but then I question if these girls really are as understanding and as kind as they think they are More so than technique it's if a man himself feels comfortabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:26 PM
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I would argue a good 90% of this is socializing and I agree with that but more so in the fact that you can't really find the right girl I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 11:45 PM
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Yes I do think her actual issue is The Virginity in the stigma behind it because I have literally turned on girls but then told him I was a virgin and then all that attraction literally went away From my point of view right now I think it is good that people lose their virginity earlier because this assumes that everyone is just going to be open and understanding to a virgin in their mid-20s or 30s or whatever and clearly that's not the case judging by how many people state that How many dumb st…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 07:18 PM
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I agree completely but all societal problems are the fault of both genders A girl can't complain about being s***-changed yet goes around virgin shaming a guy and vice versa Also we need to remind women that this is true because it's mostly women making it out to seem like men and women are supposed to be the same and you guys can't get upset when guys call this BS out Right now in 2022 girls can choose between if they want to be modern or traditional but guys almost have no choice but to be tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 07:15 PM
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And this is something I do think that is a privilege a lot of girls aren't aware of is for the fact that they can be virgins and you guys can be virgins while being insecure or confident as guys don't care As a man you could be the most confident virgin but girls will still reject you based off of that alone
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 06:30 PM
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It's a cycle problem because not everybody is going to be open to a virgin even if they were the most confident about it and I'm a great example
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 06:29 PM
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Fortunately even though most men are not dangerous, most young women do not know the difference I hate it and I don't agree with it but I understand that girl has to protect themselves because they don't know which guy is dangerous or not
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 06:14 PM
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But you don't know that though? This is online so there are so many factors of variables we will never know What I'm attacking is the hypocrisy of a lot of these people
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 05:23 PM
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But she's not doing that and in my opinion she has a point My biggest problem with those who are more sexually open isn't that they're sexually open but they're not really as sexually open as you think they are because how many of these same people will bully someone based off of how their private parts look or how their performance is or Etc The people are truly sexually positive and we would see more such things on all sides including those of us who don't sleep with everything and those of us…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:41 PM
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No it's not, because I agree that all those celebrities are bad role models for not only young girls but young boys as well
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:21 PM
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You realize you contradict Yourself by telling this person that they shouldn't be judgmental about sex yet you basically said it's okay for people to pick on the outliers which is exactly why we are all in the mess we are now because of this crazy lacking of empathy Like you're mad at her for shaming people but yet you are completely okay with this person being bullied because they're an outlier and I for the love of God never understood this logic from people It goes both ways
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:20 PM
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I'm telling you I doubt that because how would you guys know.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 01:47 AM
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And what I'm telling you is this has nothing to do with how better or not someone is because obviously guys can still succeed I still have a lot of better emotions about the double standards and stuff I went through with girls and I still do well because I know how to hide it It doesn't mean I don't try to call these things out when I need to but as a guy most of the standards or something guys are forced to put up with because it's not like girls having sent them to change how they act versus h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 01:41 AM
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A lot of this goes along with a demonization of men even though it disguises itself as dating advice You as an individual do not know what these individual men go through and I get trying to help them but demonizing them or attributing loser traits to them does not help
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:34 PM
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If being bitter was really that bad of a trait than most people would not form relationships because by your logic being bitter is very unattractive and yet so many bitter men and women still find relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:34 PM
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Women have all types of ways that they justify being horrible and bitter to men and it gets a little old
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:26 PM
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Because not every woman is innocent and not every woman is going to treat you right and most definitely not every woman is even going to try to be understanding to a man And clearly being bitter isn't that awful because I still get girls even though I'm angry as hell
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:25 PM
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There are tons of people who are bitter and worse who still do well with the opposite sex
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:14 PM
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I don't think men are really viewed as a product because we're not the one being pursued
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:02 PM
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Clearly they don't need to be better people because most of these women are very bitter and angry and it just proves the double standard In 2022 you cannot have double standards and expect men to treat you fairly or take you seriously You can still be very much healthy and be bitter and jaded
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:01 PM
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And once again just because you're perceived one way does not mean it's accurate and that's why I'm pretty sure most people get into conflict anyway because of the same phenomena. Men should be allowed to be human without that affecting how women are attracted to them I can't have it both ways to want everyone to be gender equal while at the same time completely forgoing it when it's convenient for you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 06:38 PM
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Wouldn't you guys be more of the products since men are doing more to get you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 06:37 PM
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But it's not weakness just because you think it is and no one has to write to tell someone when or how they should or should not be bitter and I bet if a man told you that you would not like it You can't say that a man is weak because he's bitter because that bitterness is steep in something real I get tired of this man bashing and calling this week all the time when most of these people have absolutely no idea how these men live their lives
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 06:12 PM
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The guys that see people in women and treat them well, are usually the ones that end up getting rejected. We all know guys that are horrible to women but still do well so I can't agree with this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 06:10 PM
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I went to France and a combination of me being black and American had an effect on the women because the way they treated me versus how American Girls treat me was very different
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:29 PM
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Exactly I'm pretty big and strong myself but I absolutely hate fighting and every single time I did find a bully back I always felt bad for it Because now he's the one that looks like a loser now he is beat up Etc I'm literally a comic book artist so by definition you think that is something that wouldn't get me laid But I swear to being a black dude seems to be like a magic ticket
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:15 PM
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We have to remember that you guys are attracted to better Me by definition which means men almost have no choice but to acquire resources and I think a lot of women really do take that for granted I always found it funny if women advocating for low status man who are depressed or homeless or stuff like that because I know their heart is in it but I always found it funny because these women would never go for these types of men even if these women were in the same situation It's not hard to see w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:12 PM
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I agree with you but the rhetoric behind so much of it does kind of take for granted what men are and what men have done
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:04 PM
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A lot of girls seem to do without being too self-aware Right now for culture actively hates on me even though men have always supported and built society and I understand where a lot of this hatred comes from and a lot of it is warranted because women were discriminated for a lot of history but that's just one side of the story and it's very different reasons Men are born figuring stronger than women. So we're going to be treated a lot differently just based off that alone but I don't think a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 12:49 PM
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The only reasons why so many women have the Privileges and the idea that they are equal to men is because we have civilized the world so good that a lot of women basically take it for granted and your reply kind of sums it all up Women don't do physical labor as much because they're not built for it and that's because it's biology and a lot of women innately know that and don't choose and that's because they are not the same as men You don't respect manual labor because it's not socially Savvy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 12:29 PM
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I think it's more so how women perceive these men because I'm a black guy and believe me we are the same as every other man
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:59 AM
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I think this does kind of demonize male sexuality in a way because it's being a little dishonest and I'm not saying every man literally is objectifying women about this but men also want to feel close during sex the same way a woman would want to Some people are both genders wouldn't mind just cuddling for a night but how many people would miss out on that Instead of sex I think it's really intimacy but between the opposite sex
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:01 AM
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A lot of times I think that's because women like to project what they believe dating should go but because you guys aren't you don't really understand the other half of it It's like that video of the girl who made a male Tinder because she thought that because she's a woman she knew exactly what other women would like but then she found out that it wasn't that easy and she still kept getting no matches I was raised by mostly women and I have no problems with gaining female friends but that did n…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 10:49 AM
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It's hard not to be as I'm a minority from a culture and all the things that were traditionally work for me sexually also unfortunately make me out to be a Target or a threat and really hard to reconcile That's why you can be doing the same thing with the same body language and the same personality as other people but you will still just look different and it's hard not to see why so many guys take it personally Every guy rejected is a guy also a woman still does not know anything about. Guys ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 10:33 AM
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I don't know as a man who did a lot of work I do think you can do all the right things and still fail and it's not a question of refusal Everybody has certain things they just won't do out of principle or pass things done to them whether it be man or woman and I don't think we should criticize them on that even though it may hinder them in the dating Market Like imagine if someone kept telling you to be more confident and you know what they mean. But you see people literally less confident than …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 10:14 AM
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I get what you mean but we have to realize the biology of it is that even if we somehow gave our modern rights to women back then most women still would not choose jobs that are very crucial for the management and stabilization of society outside of child care or health care or social work All those things are important of course but Society will always needs its builders and manufacturers and laborers and farmers and electricians especially now since we live in the most economic and technologic…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:45 AM
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And before you say that I have a defeated mindset from personal experience I worked on myself a lot from a teenager all the way to a young adult and I still cannot attribute My Success from women to that which kind of makes me a little bitter because if it feels like all your hard work did not matter even when you know you have so many good qualities most people did not work on It really does feel like girls are allowed to have insecurities and weaknesses because all these things girls describe …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:40 AM
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How do you know that they refuse to work on stuff like that and even so even if they did work on that stuff there's no guarantee that they would succeed?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:39 AM
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Are they ugly and how tall are they and what are all the things they had to do to finally get laid and what was the environment and how receptive were these girls
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:37 AM
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But you have to understand why a lot of the jadedness is there is because your friend despite having to work two times harder than his female counterpart is still going to end up getting rejected way more even if he has objectively a lot of better traits I do a lot better with women right now only because of my looks and that still has me better because it kind of means that all my hard work as a teenager really didn't mean anything When you're the only guy in class that is literally the only on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:36 AM
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I don't understand this though because clearly this type of thing isn't working for both men or women because most average girls don't realize that they are average which leaves a lot of guys on their level completely dry because of the same phenomena. And this is straight up the truth and not just a bitter hope. How many girls right now that are broke or living with their parents or overweight but will reject the guy who was literally in the same type of position
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 09:33 AM
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It doesn't have to be the jock but you know what I mean. It's usually the guy with a lot of social status and it's the same reason why rich kids get a lot of girls even though all of their status and confidence doesn't come from something and Nate in them because girls don't really care where it comes from so long as you have it That's why you have guys that are literally have other traits over the rich kid but he still doesn't have an important one like money or resources so he isn't going to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:59 AM
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But dude I swear some of you my experiences in high school and college kind of fit That's why high school and college girls go date the sports team guys because even though those guys are still broke kids they still have higher Social Status And once again if you're self aware guy you can kind of understand this because girls on your own level still think they're better than you because they can still sleep with a top-tier guy but he's not going to commit to them How many overweight women will s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:56 AM
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Would you argue because a lot of guys are still expected to pursue is a reason why so many good guys still to strike out because even though we're taught that were more equal than ever and that it's very risky to approach a woman, it seems like most women still expect being approached even the women that are independent Looking back I had a lot of precious but it was hard for me to see at a young age because most guys while confident really don't get a lot of attention from girls. And even if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:54 AM
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See a guy can most definitely struggle if he's doing all the right things because of dating by Nature isn't rational and women are set up to look for the best men even if guy number three and four still lift the same amount of Weights as guy number one, the women in question are still going to be on the lookout for the men who can still just lift more or at least have other things more That's why guys can literally dress the same act the same and have the same amount of confidence but one's acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:45 AM
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The song by Steve Lacy bad habits kind of hits this into perspective You ever wonder why so many guys over girls think that question? I wish I knew you wanted me? Because girls will give very ambiguity signals and because of the nature of them being ambiguitous a lot of guys aren't going to pick up on them because they are done so in a way that leaves the girl with plausible deniability that she actually like the guy in case she gets rejected. But years later guys can realize this and it's too l…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:42 AM
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Do you think that's the biggest Reason by being struggle is because men are basically not allowed to be shy gentle or passive I'm not shy and I'm a pretty gentle dude and it was a big Awakening for me realizing that it didn't matter how confident or cuz I will still potentially be single forever because I still am expected to put the first move in even though it's 2022. Which is so strange because it goes against so much of a lot of things young men were taught this generation and it kind of fli…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:21 AM
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I think a lot of men's frustration comes from the fact that even though you no as a man you don't have to be a super Chad or Omega Supreme king of galaxies or whatever, a lot of this crazy stuff you still have to do or at least you're still an expectation breath are female peers are literally more free than ever to the point where they can choose if they want to be traditional or modern and they will get almost no pushback from society or sexually Women rule this market so well that they don't e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:35 PM
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I love your answer because it dispels a lot of stuff both men and women believe about attraction and dating. I tell so many of my guy friends that it doesn't matter how confident or smooth or whatever you have because if the girl needs you unattractive she isn't going to treat you well regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 12:00 AM
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No I wouldn't think they are idiot I would think they probably have a problem but I wouldn't think they somehow needed to stay in their place just because they're short That's like saying a black person shouldn't act like themselves just because they're around a racist environment Yes you should be self aware about yourself but that does not mean somehow need to act a certain way is because a lot of people deem it unnecessary and we also have to remember that people are naturally hypocritical. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:55 PM
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But that's what make his BS because it literally says more about those other people especially since the only difference between two people acting the same way was their appearance It's literally the natural human bias acting A bigger person and a small person can have the same body language and do similar things but one is going to be looked at is more dangerous than the other just based off the fact that they are different in size.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:09 PM
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You most certainly can. The people throughout history were born in the right circumstances or the right or the right social class without any type of work or anything like that that a lot of people would say that leads to confidence I don't even fully agree to just doing hard stuff makes one more confident but I do agree that it makes you more competent But no I don't agree with this. I have a co-worker who's a rich kid and he has absolutely no social skills or Graces but he doesn't need any of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:13 PM
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Not every girl likes those types and I think we should give a big lesson to kids to tell them that just because someone likes you or dislikes you does not mean everybody will or won't I've been the god emo and I was criticized and rejected a lot but I still found other people who accepted me and I've been the opposite to where I was apprent and overly positive person and I got similar outcomes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:12 PM
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There's no excuse for bullying people that are ugly and autistic and my little brother is autistic so you're not going to convince me that people are somehow Justified to treat people like that horribly. Kids know better is my point and if I could come from a horrible background and not treat people horribly as some type of excuse than other people can as well You're kind of proving my point because all these things go into play as intersectionality is intersectional across many different social…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:11 PM
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Believe me as a lifelong geek this is just stuff you pick up because you can definitely be a geek and still be normal but that does not mean people are guaranteed to treat you as such I was probably the mostly aware and had the highest EQ at all my friend group but that did not really save me from getting bullied or rejected because of my nerdiness And I know not every girl is like that and times have changed but the fact that even you can admit that times have changed and girls are now into the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:33 PM
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It's not geekiness but geekiness is going to be looked atas very different from a girl A girl being normal and dorky isn't seen as a turn off and her lacking in her role. For a dorky nerdy guy all of that can work against you. And I don't think a lot of girls are really aware about it but that's why I said in the earlier post that archetypes like the geeky girl or goth girl or tomboy usually don't struggle with the opposite sex even though they all get an archetype that's not really feminine The…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:31 PM
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But I didn't get it through traditional stuff like a lot of red pill people say even though I agree with a lot of the principles But I also disagree a lot with the feminist and the blue pill because even though they get a lot right about gender and social constructs and stuff like that they kind of have tunnel vision. You can't say you feel certain traits about men and then not only say the gender is a construct but then open your legs for those types of men Men cannot say they are strong and wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:30 AM
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Would it be crazy to tell you that I kind of amnutral whenever I'm around women now about my interest because I'm already kind of open with it and as I said before I'm a visual artist and a lot of my people locally know me as that already I can't really say that my geekiness has gotten in the way too much but people do change and we all get older and grow into our looks but it feels icky trying to attribute all of my recent success to that I have tons of Flings that I have drawn pictures of in f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:17 AM
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As a Class Clown I completely understand and that's exactly what I did. I could hang out with many different social groups and clicks because I would adjust how I talk to them and I hate saying it just because it makes it feel fake but I was generally interested in a wide array of things that allowed for it Like yes I was a nerd who love comics and stuff but I also play basketball up until I was 17 so that allowed me enough social Report with jocks and sporty types and being a big black guy help…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:54 AM
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I don't believe it's confidence I just believe it's a part of human nature Someone insecure can be abusive and a lot of people are abusive because of sources of insecurity and even as I say that you can be insecure and confident I don't think one ends where the other begins because it's also a part of human nature I agree that you can exude it but someone else picking up on it is 100% on them How many people are called Annoying or show off because they are confident in themselves On the same not…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:29 AM
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I don't think there's a guarantee for anything and that's my point. I was literally caught a Class Clown and we all know class clowns have to have high confidence and sociability and yet I did not get any attention in high school or if I did I didn't notice it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:26 AM
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And I have so many life experiences telling me that just walking around without a care in the world can backfire and the thing is you can still be confident but that's not a guarantee that things will be okay nor is it a guarantee that people will treat you well I don't believe it's a lack confidence but is the belief that confidence really was not that important in the first place because not everyone is just going to Grace you with their respect right on that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:22 AM
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Thank you for your support and a lot of this goes without saying but because I've been on both sides I hate with people act like just doing all of this stuff equals a good outcome because that's just not true and if you ask somebody that's been through it and came out with little returns then you can't question them Like I grew up in early 2010 it was still very much acceptable to bully people who are into nerdy stuff f so I have spent a lot of time training myself to not care about what people …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:21 AM
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I can understand that but also because I am very social I understand that not everything is black and white because socializing is not really rational
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:15 AM
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And I'm speaking of someone who built up their confidence and I'm telling you I just don't see it Most people don't live your life with you and like I said before how people perceive you is more so how they perceive you versus what is actually reality I still have bad days where I get down on myself and I still attract women so it's not my perceived confidence that's attracting them On the same note I've had days where I felt amazing and it had no difference on how people look at you It's becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:15 AM
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I disagree How many men are naturally confident but are called so many things that are ungrateful because they're not perceived that way Women are notorious for getting this type of thing bad because how many women potentially fall for abuse of men thinking that they're abusive is somehow confident and how many confident men get passed over because they're not outwardly peacocking Once again perception is a real deal bro and I have been a victim and I have benefited from this very phenomenon Urb…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:12 AM
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I completely understand as I have had some similar experience I've been on both sides to where people have told me that I needed to be more confident and I've also been on where people have applauded my confidence. But it's also crazy because I'm a visual artist and you can understand just how much time energy works and ignoring bad opinion to become this good Whenever I hear people talking about how you need to self improve or not care about what people think and I look at them crazy because I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:09 AM
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I would argue most people are quite confident but that doesn't really do you much good when you are forced to socialize or when you're in a position to where you need to show off your personality Like it's gone to the point where at my job if I apply it for 5 minutes straight most of my coworkers think I'm depressed Yet when I do get angry or upset they act like I'm crazy because they usually view me as a happy person
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:42 PM
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You're not going to be ruled by these people of course but it's foolish to think there's not real life consequences I have been handcuffed in front of my friends before because a police officer thought I was someone that I wasn't and it took years of unpacking to get over that and I believe everyone has a different flavor of this throughout their lives You will be forced to think even someone without Authority like to comment person doesn't have any type of power that could be easily used agains…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:41 PM
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I really do believe people will project all types of things on people because we don't live everybody else's lives so our minds have to connect the dots on things that we do not know I have to defend a man from a lady in one of my jobs before. She was into me but I turned her down because she had a man that she's the type of girl to do something like that But there was another tall man who was of a ethnic background as I least think he was Peruvian, but with a combination of him being big and ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:24 PM
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And once again in my experience I have been on the opposite side to wear a person's normal body language has been misconstrued into being hostile and I've seen tons of people who have jittery or energetic body language that are viewed as calm and confident And all of those things you mentioned could easily be misconstrued as being passive
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:22 PM
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I have but that does not mean that the phenomena itself is not true I was always naturally social and I can make friends with any friend group whether they be black or white or poor or rich or whatever but it really did show and how people thought of you regardless of where you were based off of Old perceived stereotypes and like
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:21 PM
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You're not telling me anything I don't know as I'm from the ghetto both of my parents were drug dealers
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:20 PM
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Because unfortunately even though people's opinions are crazy they usually follow by actions and actions can have real life consequences It can affect your confidence if someone is going to be disrespectful to you for no reason And you'll be forced to think that how people respond to you doesn't have some type of effect Keep in mind you yourself can still act normal in all of that other stuff but how other people perceive you is usually what happens Like I said before I'm a minority and you will…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:20 PM
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I'm a minority so it may be a different but my experience is kind of tell me that you can't really trust other people's perceptions especially if they're of yourself because they're almost never accurate. Perceptions leads to behaviors and not every behavior is healthy I don't go into some stores because I know I will be looked at as a potential their and I bet my body language doesn't look the best when I'm under thatvtypenof pressure If someone perceives me is acting out it's not because of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:28 PM
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Yes. And even outside these neighborhoods I have had the same experience in different ways
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:25 PM
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This girl came up to me. We met through mutual friends and the only reason why I think I attracted her outside of my physical looks was because I was always a pretty open and chill guy even back in high school. She was the opposite. And I understood as I went through stuff too. But she instead of learning how to be a better person just did what other people who made her feel like crap did. It Was Naive because I was under the impression that if I really loved her and I should work on our relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:25 PM
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As a kid I kind of got that as well Our culture really need to reach full of masculinity because we can't expect young men to be these great white Knights of society and at the same time demonize them and call them cowards On the other hand we can't get upset if guys go the opposite way and become toxic Society destroyers because those guys clearly have realized they're packing the opposite did not get them anything despite Society saying so I'm a black American and it does not surprise me to so…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:23 PM
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then because my experience has told me something very different Like you don't know how many times people will look at you funny because you weren't acting like a stereotypical Thug. And even more so it's amazing how many girls will look at you like crazy when they find out you're not the Thug in training that they thought you should be Like this literally was a point of contention between me and girlfriend She was a white girl so she had no idea what I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:21 PM
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Of course you need to interact with people but it just goes against so much of my experiences When I was at my most confident I attracted a girl who was so abusive that I kind of regret I hated her and even with I was with her she did not make it a secret that she did not like my personality even though I was the most confident out of us Looking back I really do think my ex-girlfriend hated me for the fact that she was insecure and had trouble making friends while I had no problem doing so
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:18 PM
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I agree and even further because of these context I would argue it's something that most people really can't pick up on A person can be quiet for half the week and then loud for the other half they're still the same person
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:17 PM
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I've seen the opposite If most people can't figure a person out their own mind will try to fill in gaps and sometimes what they think is not accurate I used to think a guy was weird in high school until I actually got to know him and then I realized the only reason why I thought it was weird was because of a combination of not knowing him and from what everybody else said It was my own perceptions that regarding my thoughts about him rather than what was How others perceive you isn't really in y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:16 PM
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As a person who has had that moment and started building real confidence, something that helped me realize that was exactly the opposite of what you're saying People will talk about people and think crazy stuff about people all the time but are those things accurate? I was a Class Clown I was still tall shy which doesn't make sense if you're a Class Clown but that's because what three people perceive of you doesn't mean the next three people will perceive the same thing I do agree that it's good…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:15 PM
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Not all the time and not everyone is going to be perceived as that all the time. No one can sense anyone straight from someone and just because you have this trait does not mean that people can see it from you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:11 PM
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Tons especially if you come from inner city communities like I do. Yes almost like you can't just exist as a man that's not overly boastful because you're looking at as weird
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:10 PM
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What do mean
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:01 PM
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But how many guys you have that silent confidence are perceived as shy or weird or insecure Sometimes I wonder if this is help more so than what confidence actually is because if it was true the silent confidence was really that apparent than most people would do well with not only the opposite sex but in all areas of life but life is just not that easy I was at my most confident when I dated my piece of ex girlfriend and throughout half of the relationship she made it known to me that she viewe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:01 PM
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I disagree. People are not mind readers and most people are not as intuitive as they think they are. You could be quiet and unassuming and still be confident And I would argue you can be an insecure wreck and still be confident. I can steal very much feel bad about being born with a club foot but the insecurity from that club foot doesn't stop me being confident about my music skills or social skills or Etc I'm sorry bro but ask someone who is pretty involved with socializing, it's kind of taugh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:59 PM
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And yet I've seen so many guys who are boastful succeed more than the guys were quiet Like this sounds nice to say but my experience just does not agree How many guys are called insecure or weird because they are the type that are quiet and confident but don't show it off or try to argue for themselves A good portion of my school life was basically that You feel confident and you don't have a need to show off but you're constantly getting passed over for the guy who is showing off
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:57 PM
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I feel like no matter what your traits are no one is going to be guaranteed to show you respect or anything like it Like you could be as confident and self-assured as you know you are but that's not a guarantee that people will treat you well or recognize that And my experience that's actually something to help me with my low self esteem as a teenager was realizing that will help people perceive you for how your actions will make other people behave
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:55 PM
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I don't really agree given my experiences. There have been days where I have felt like absolute crap and I will still perceived as a positive and confident person. There have been tons of days where I felt on top of the world but you really did not see a difference in how people acted towards me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:54 PM
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It seems to me that's the only difference between being perceived as a continent person because most people are pretty neutral. I'm a super nerd who has had very mixed results with women but as crazy as it sounds I've been called super confident and super insecure by many different people to the point where I just got confused on how I came off
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:53 PM
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Which is why I never understood why both so many young men and women worship these types of characters and archetypes because almost no one likes them I was a nerdy kid but you can imagine how many crazy interactions I have with these types of toxic people and every single time I left them with a bloody nose and I still remained the happy-go-lucky nerd When you're a kid you think being Achilles but when you grow up you want to be Hector
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:16 PM
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But Karen is any woman of any age who goes into public places and acts childish and entitled and they know they can because most people aren't going to try to stop a woman from doing this Like I said you are trying way too hard to defend these people but they are known for their entitlement racism and childishness There are ways to defend yourself and not let people walk on you And strength does not mean brow beating everybody and trying to dominate everything So many women in my family have bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 11:09 PM
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I'll be honest you sound like hey Karen because you're trying to defend them way too much I've been at the mercy of many racist Karen's and they are not
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 09:18 PM
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Both are equally sexually responsible
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 08:38 PM
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I have. A lot of women seem to almost expected without even giving any type of kindness or courtesy back I had a customer who always had an attitude but then demanded, not ask but demanded that I walk her to her car
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:09 PM
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Like I said before so many men black and not black have been jailed or killed because someone lied I'm pretty sure you've heard the story of Emmett Till
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:33 PM
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It's not exaggerated A lot of girls lie and a lot of girls stretch the truth because they know they can get away with it and I seen it way too many times The rhetoric that men are inherently rapists and predatory is awful and you would know that because just replace the word man with black man and then see how fast that will go Ironically black men and early 1900s America have gone through something similar because they were black men and does white women held more Social Power they used that ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:32 PM
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Unconscious biases go both ways and a lot of girls have a lot of unconscious sexist attitudes not only towards women but of men as well You know how many times a girl has said something sex is out of the way to me and she doesn't realize how messed up it is because she doing it for so long and it's become normalized
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:29 PM
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Like I said a lot of girls really aren't self-aware that they do it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:24 PM
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Some girls really do enjoy it or at least seem to enjoy it but not aware that they do and you can't just wave away a problem by saying that you're misinterpreting it A lot of feminist rhetoric is unfortunately damaging to a lot of young men especially young black men like me It leaves no room for the man or boy to not be the bad guy and it always leaves the woman being the victim at the end no matter what the situation How many men who have been confident and forward have been called toxic or ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:23 PM
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Let's not pretend that young girls are just as immature and don't know what to say like young boys especially when the interactions between young girls and young boys are usually awkward because of the same phenomena Some girls laugh at guys and some girl spread rumors and you will be praised to think that some guys don't want complexes around approaching women because you're already looked at as dangerous when you do this Now add being already perceived as dangerous and now having to be the gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:08 PM
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If it's true you see what you look for then we could easily say things like racism and sexism aren't real but it's the person looking for them That sounds so stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:06 PM
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It becomes crazy because not every girl is graceful with the rejection or it really knows how to handle that type of thing I'm just now getting a lot of the crazy feminist messaging out of my head that told me that approaching women was toxic I have way too many stories where I've been acting normal and it will still do that stories to where I was acting toxic but it was viewed as normal
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:05 PM
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I don't think socialization begins in the womb outside of stuff that just comes hardwired into us What I mean is not Primal in animal scenes but because they are not as mature they are running more on suggestion and socialization but that does not mean all of those things are good or bad And being an adult now I really don't see much difference between then and now because people still kind of act the same It's a mixture of that projection and hormones and the hormones part is definitely somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 04:10 PM
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Not in my experience because remember it's a choice You don't know how many people I have met that have so many crazy justifications to be mean and on one hand I understand it because I've been on the receiving end of abuse and bullying and sometimes you don't come out wanting to be the most empathetic or understanding person. But something I can say that even as young as Middle School age me did is that I never took out my home life on my peers at school or at work even when I had every right t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 04:08 PM
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I don't think most guys pretend to be a woman's friend and I know a lot of guys who are lit on by their friends tease something more
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 04:02 PM
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I honestly think it's more of a choice Like yes I have every single individual reason to act like an a****** and I can think of all types of justifications for myself but I'm going to choose to be more pleasant because that is stronger and I would like for someone to treat me that way
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 04:01 PM
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What I'm saying is Middle School is a great marker for human behavior because men and women are going through puberty and are at their most immature so their actions are more primal I've always told people that middle school kids are great marker to study human behavior Of course as adults we all know you're immature at that age but you're still behaving based off your base instincts and emotions That's not to say middle schoolers are stupid or they don't know how to act
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 04:00 PM
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Good people do things all the time with interior motives and that does not make them less good because it's Human Nature You can still very much be a good person and expect things back and to think otherwise it's just foolish because I bet nine times and attend you act like this as well which is not a problem. Also I need to spell the myth that women can naturally sense something off a guy because if that was true then so many of my interactions would have been different How many women cowardly …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 03:59 PM
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You have will be surprised at how many people I have met that are full of resentment and if you talk to them long enough they will reveal it we think they were not nice because all their emotions are human You wouldn't be the most happiest person if you were continuously put down and talked about like something you're not
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 02:04 PM
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They are not weak and I hate when people use that term because you do not know what someone's entire life I could cry today and if you saw me you would call me week but I could have been a Navy SEAL for The Last 5 Years Would it be made sense to be called weak then? Most people have no idea what people are living
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 02:03 PM
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Most people are super judgmental and it's crazy because girls hate judgment but they are the most judgmental In a society where we hate when people falsely attribute things to people I find it amazing that the people who hate judgment the most are the most judgmental and it's not the nice guys Like I said before passive people can be completely nice without any darker aspects and I'm just not going to agree with this because a lot of this rhetoric is actually harmful People will treat you for wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 02:02 PM
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I've read both of them and they have married but I still don't agree with the main premise that these guys are just doing it out of maliciousness or hidden intent
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:52 PM
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A lot of the stuff is common sense All of our emotions and survival instincts are baked inside of our DNA to help us deal with nature Like you ever hear people talk about how they feel like someone's thinking behind them or that there's a ghost in the house. It's not that it's a ghost it's the fear of the unknown and most likely a giant Predator like a saber tooth which is something our ancestors have to fight You get that funny feeling because it's a survival mechanism
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:45 PM
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You shouldn't expect empathy from people if you can't give it back and that's my Golden Rule especially when it comes to something like therapy and mental health because nine times out of 10 I could be saying the same thing to you Just because there are many sources does not mean it's a guarantee to fix yourself and I say that as someone who's been in the mental health system for years People get way too hung up on trying to be right and trying to have the most harshest truth than actually being…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:41 PM
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That's nice I'm an artist as well
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:40 PM
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Like I said it's not something that we are cognitively thinking about because it is baked into our DNA
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:36 PM
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I believe this is mostly an internet meme because I just don't see this in real life even with the most nice people Not every fight is worth fighting and just because you are right and stand up for yourself does not mean you'll get a good outcome
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:35 PM
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I'm sorry about your experiences and I'm pretty sure they are there but those experiences paint a wide brush and that's just not true especially since I've been on both sides of this
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:34 PM
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I've seen different Mitch matches from all sides so I don't agree Being passive usually means you're not the quick to anger and you're also the first to usually stop and argument You can be right all you want but that does not mean you're going to change another person's mind and eventually the argument just gets worse than toxic I'm pretty loud and rambunctious but I'm also pretty nice dude so I understand what you're saying but I have also had moments where I was quiet and I remain the same. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:33 PM
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Most people especially from the psychosexual have some type of interior motive and that motive really doesn't have to be overt If I'm a girl and I do my hair and clothes a certain way, I am doing it from a psychosexual standpoint which would count entirely as an exterior motive. If I'm a guy and I do my hair and wear my watch a certain way I am doing it from a psychosexual standpoint which could count entirely as an exterior motive A lot of our Behavior comes from a psychosexual and with that co…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:27 PM
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Address a lot of things that shouldn't be carried over into adulthood but they most likely will be and it goes for all types of people in both genders Most teenagers get started when they are teenagers and I am including that as I have my first girlfriend when I was 18 and neither of us were pictures of confident Actually scratch that I was actually pretty confident and I would argue at my most confident at that age right before I met her and she was pretty abusive I always hated The Stereotype …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:25 PM
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I think we agree it's just that we are using different terminology At this point I think it's a chicken and egg situation when it comes to behavior being gendered or the cultural beliefs around gender because they both impact each other Like I don't approach a woman because I genuinely like it I do it because I know that I have a better chance of getting her. Me as individual I hate the gender social script that I have to follow but I also know from experience that following it will probably ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:24 PM
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Everybody has extra motives and even the most nicest people have extra motives and that isn't a bad thing You can very much be a good person and still expect something back because the other person most likely is I'm not saying what is expected as guaranteed and I'm not saying you are forced to do anything for anybody but acting like all these guys are not good people it's just disingenuous
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:21 PM
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Exactly and something else to realize that just because you are perceived as shy or weird doesn't exactly mean you are but how people treat you does have an effect Like if you are normal but you keep getting made fun of her look at it's weird but yet you see a guy who is rambunctious and Rowdy but has no penalties for it then you do start to think that something is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:15 PM
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I don't think that's complaining but more so I thought you were saying it in a weird negative way I've been on both sides of the treatment of women so I'll be the first to say I know not every woman is evil or it's not understanding but you'll be surprised how many self-proclaimed Progressive women, just about off things while having no idea what they're talking about Like you're not Progressive or open-minded if you hold crazy beliefs about any group. And you definitely don't look Progressive f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:13 PM
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Nice try but our conversations are deeper than that No one is complaining to anybody about anything unless we count whatever gender disparity as complain
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:02 PM
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But you don't know that though. You think you know because you read a couple of posts but you do not know these men nor have you walked in your shoes day today to know anything about them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:01 PM
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That's because his wife kind of understands everything we've been talking about Gender differences, and how our gender is perceived by people around us and especially the opposite sex. We have these conversations all the time between the three of us
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:48 PM
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And I still disagree I'm sorry because I have been a young man and I'm telling you most of these guys are not what you describe We need to stop describing the worst types of men when we talk about this because they're the 1% out of 99
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:47 PM
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Or it's because so many guys have bad experiences with approaching women I remember there were a bunch of times I told girls in middle school that I had crushes on them only for them to either laugh at me or spread rumors about me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:46 PM
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All the women in my family plus some female friends I met at school or work
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:45 PM
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And the actions of one man don't dictate the actions of all of them and our demonization of these guys is not doing anybody any favors
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:45 PM
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Or they're the same person Not every nice guy does this when they get rejected and especially in today's culture I don't see why it's outside the norm that guys expect a girl to make the first move because so many of what constitutes the first move for a guy can easily be seen as creepy or weird in the wrong context or with the wrong girl I remember I asked out a girl in Middle School completely normal without any craziness in the next day I had rumor spread about me I know that can make a guy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:44 PM
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I know and we need to start changing it because these conversations get old But I'm also kind of scared of us change it because I feel like the conversation will still just keep going despite the new word change What I'm trying to tell you is that most people get very wrong about the phenomena of nice guys and both sides get it wrong Those guys aren't acting nice because of x y and z. They are acting like that because it's usually their personality type We can't tell young men that they should l…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:30 PM
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I completely agree and I have always argued that men having to hit on women is a necessary evil because I know most men are not comfortable with potentially making a woman uncomfortable but There's literally almost no choice I have become more sexually successful in the last couple years because I finally had to tell myself that I have no choice but to make some women feel uncomfortable because you can't control how anyone else reacts Let's say you hit on Four Women in a week because as a man yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:23 PM
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You can be a man and call yourself a nice guy and still not be toxic and like I said that's still 99% of the nice guys My cousin's a pretty nice dude and he's been married for years Also once again ask yourself why these men are acting like this if something is not wrong with our current social script Because I know what you mean but I still kind of agree with a lot of these men even though I don't agree with how they state it Women cannot complain about toxic men and yet continuously go for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:19 PM
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Just because most people are using it doesn't mean it's accurate or right We need to really start changing our conversations and definitions around this because like I said before it gets so old and disingenuous
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:17 PM
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I hate that stuff because it's immature for making fun of these types of guys and the original Point still stands because what you're talking about is a small percentage of guys who actually do have toxicity I hate when this is brought up whenever nice guys are mentioned because it always leads to conversation down this road Let's stop acting like a lot of women go after horrible men all the time and let's not act like tons of men that will be considered non-toxic get passed over Both genders fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 12:03 PM
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Oh look I grew up around people like this and believe me they know exactly what they're doing Most of these women are very privileged and take the frustrations out on people because they live such comfortable lives that want anything does not go their way they go crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:40 AM
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All that is an excuse to take your frustrations out on other people because everyone on every single societal level has an excuse to be angry
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:34 PM
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I do smoke a lot and that's probably what does it also but even when I didn't smoke I really wasn't trying to mess around with every single girl and that does not mean I don't like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:42 AM
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I've done all of that and it really doesn't give me the ego boost
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:39 AM
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I feel like this type of person really is unique because by this definition is that's most people in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:14 AM
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Sometimes I think I'm demisexual
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:13 AM
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Not really because basically choosing to be alone is going to be different than actually sticking towards your standards And if your standards keep you alone then that's kind of a point of contention instead of something actually good It's crazy because I tell all my female friends this, is that if guys did not have whatever mechanism it makes them to attract women whether it be biological or social, then most relationships would not form because most girls don't pursue and escalate the same way…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:05 AM
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Men can't really have their own standards and it forced them like women can just because it doesn't work Like if all men said tomorrow that they wanted girls to dress a certain way then the girls are most likely to ignore those men and go for the guys who don't care That's why I really believe women standards are things that they used to wait out man more so than they weighed in Like if a super rich lawyer popped up in front of a girl she's probably not going to care about him liking Autumn or s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 04:00 AM
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Working your way up to be attractive is disappointing and having people like you just because you were born genetically gifted is just as disappointing How would you ever know if people actually like you for you and all the stuff that makes you you. Especially as a guy since girls are attracted to a lot of different things outside of looks and guys are too but women are probably motivated by a lot of different factors and that's probably why so many guys work hard at different things because we …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:57 AM
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Who was Adam and who is Sophie
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:56 AM
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As I get older I'm kind of realize that I'm not a square by any means but I never Advocate doing anything just because and that includes smoking and drinking and sex I come from a family of abuse and drug dealing and it was horrible but I'm glad I went through it because I saw the best and worse of people at a young age And now I can see why so many of those old traditions are in place because they would arguably protect people
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:55 AM
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And that's kind of what also a strongly through a loop because I've been on the opposite side and I have a lot of friends that also think that way and I completely understand it I think guys are pretty good at measuring themselves and it's not arrogant or crazy to say that you're pretty good at stuff or that you may fit a lot of boxes that are considered attractive But we all know looks are way more important than anything else and to a man who is physically ugly but it's great with everything e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:51 AM
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So far it really hasn't changed my perspective outside of that it may be just a difference in preference Like what's the difference between sleeping with 100 different women of different attractiveness versus sleeping with a woman you are not only attractive to and with but in love with In my head it sounds way more feeling even though I have not yet experienced that feeling of Falling in Love
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:48 AM
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I kind of get that at this moment because I'm a big black dude so many of my problems have came from just that fact As a kid I just could not do or act the same way other kids did because of combination of my race and size Ironically even though I'm a nerd being big and black has given me a little bit of edge when it comes to a lot of girls because they assume a lot of black guys are hyper masculine which isn't really good when you think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:47 AM
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25
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:45 AM
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Looking back not really With my ex I'm pretty sure she did care despite not being able to get me off orally. It's through her that I found out I was pretty good at giving head which I was thankful for because I heard that's very important but I just did not get the same amount of pleasure or effort back Now that's not to say she was a bad person or that she was just selfish. Because I do get to some people's bodies just aren't compatible
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:45 AM
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My longest relationship was about 2 years and we both chose to wait but she ended up cheating on me and I broke up with her My next girlfriend was much more enjoyable and treating me right but I just cannot get off with her I'm 6'6 and she was about 5'2 and I could not fit inside of her
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:36 AM
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I can get that but my generation love screaming that casual sex is the best they ever even though there's so much problems that go with it I guess I was still brainwashed trying to figure out what all the stuff was about so far I haven't really gotten anything out of it outside of a few experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:31 AM
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Never I've gotten hit from two different girls and I did not feel anything from it. It wasn't this pleasurable but it really wasn't what I thought it was going to be My ex-girlfriend was more experienced than I except for oral and she used a lot of teeth and it wasn't that it was bad or good but I just couldn't feel anything but I still thought that it was nice and adorable that she did it for me So far no girls ever made me climax but that does not mean that I did not enjoy their company
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:30 AM
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A lot of girls say that guys just can't give them an orgasm A lot of girls will say that's why a lot of girls avoid casual sex because it's not worth it on their end Like why I keep putting yourself in a compromise position if your pleasure is really guaranteed for your respect which I can completely understand is a guy because ironically I feel like I'm dealing with that right now Talking and flirting with a girl and hitting her up is exciting when it comes to the actual sex I find myself getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:28 AM
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Not really My imagination did not really live up to reality
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:26 AM
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I'll be honest no just because there's so much risk versus reward As a man all presses around you on every single level of the interaction from the flirting to the dating to the escalating and kissing to the actual sex and at any point in time any girl who thinks you're doing wrong will either tell you but some girls don't and still expect you to just read their mind Having sex with one person more than once actually gets you good at it and more atone to your body but that's harder to do nowaday…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:25 AM
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Some of it was lowering my standards, but a lot of these girls were around my match and sometimes these girls were even more attractive. When I was in school there was this cheerleader that was really into me and I could not understand why because I'm a nerd. Morals have to do with it also because I have turned down girls with boyfriends and husbands One of my customers that comes in all the time is a married lady and she hit me up out of the blue out of nowhere and she is nice but I have to sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:55 AM
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Of course not but it couldn't have been that bad, especially since so many girls love saying that most guys are bad I don't think really anybody is a sex god unless they got lucky with the right person with the right compatibility Even when I have a very attractive girl in front of me I still needed to get going myself One girl was super attractive but I just could not stay hard for her
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:43 AM
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What if you yourself did not find it pleasurable
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:41 AM
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That's not counting all the girls so I fooled around with like made out with or cuddled with etc..
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:41 AM
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I made one girl c** twice without even pentrating
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:41 AM
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The hypocrisy comes from wanting guys to follow all these crazy rules and standards but knowing that you're not going to give every guy Grace Sometimes we have to remember that it's not the absence of certain skills that make someone unattractive but it's just for the fact that they are unattractive that we don't give them more grace Men are guilty of this too Like how many women do you know have these crazy list of standards that you know no God can feel but she honestly has them more so to sca…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:27 AM
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True but status is also important, as much as I hate it but a lot of men in the US most likely will still look more attractive just for the fact that they come from the richest country on Earth and it's really not any different than how people think in the US A middle class normal dude will probably still have an average dating life with all things equal so it makes sense that he will change his environment to fit his advantage
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:36 AM
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True but status is also important, as much as I hate it but a lot of men in the US most likely will still look more attractive just for the fact that they come from the richest country on Earth and it's really not any different than how people think in the US A middle class normal dude will probably still have an average dating life with all things equal so it makes sense that he will change his environment to fit his advantage
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:28 AM
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The problem isn't just the money it's culture and that's why someone committed the us are going out even the poorest women still try to act disrespectful or like they're better than men I went out on a date with a woman who was living in her car and yet she still had such a nasty attitude and thought she was better than everybody and it was clearly that she lacks self-awareness because she did not realize that she is literally living in her car But privileges are invisible to those that have it …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:25 AM
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I don't think it's for the fact that they are sexually rejected but I think it's for the fact that a lot of men know that feminism is BS and a lot of girls despite knowing that they don't want to be the same as a man will still try to use feminism as a crutch when it's useful for them Think about the phenomenon without your bias for a second It's crazy to think that so many men would have to leave their country to find love right? Doesn't show you how mismatched men and women have it here I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:23 AM
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You be surprised just how many foreign women will be more accepting to a US man and a part of that is coming from a richer country especially coming from the United States. But I frequently flirt with girls from across these and I find a difference between them and girls from my own country as night and day
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 01:20 AM
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I was raised by mostly bitter single women so I know exactly how they think and operate and no it's not every woman but they're still a good portion of society that is like this and especially right now our society just see it socially acceptable because we still can't criticize women Even when I talk to my mom or Aunt about this type of thing they still go into a diet tribe about how it's all men's fault and they can't see past their own hatred that they're literally talking to me their son/nep…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:18 PM
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House work does not count as a shift and I hate when people say this because now we have to take an account anything with you as labor that's not at work as somehow another type of Labor. Like it would be crazy for me to tell my wife that I'm not going to do X Y and Z for her because I had to come home and fix the pipes and take out the trash and cut the grass and fixed x y and z You need to it comes now to raise a family and I find it crazy that so many girls are starting to take normal relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:16 PM
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I don't think it really matters when or where or how but it's for the fact that you're still getting charged for it. I remember Patrice O'Neal saying to name that they shouldn't really be ashamed or be ashamed of mixing money with sex because we're all paying for it anyway What's the difference between spending $300 a night with a prostitute or spending the equivalent amount of money just to try to without the guarantee of sex Girl girls that will regularly have boyfriends and friends with benef…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:02 PM
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This is the power imbalance between men and women because I don't think a lot of women are self aware that they do this. And I'm not saying that you have to give a man sex any and every time but the fact that it's always placed on a condition kind of proves that we're different
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:59 PM
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So do you want me to just somehow just accept all of that and somehow just completely forgo my own experiences in life. Because once again I understand you and I know you're not lying to me but when it comes to interactions between men and women so many nuances come into play and I know both men and women and how they act. Young girls are just as naive immature and don't know how to act or what they want just like young boys are Not every girl is attracted to the guy that Waits and is patient. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:58 PM
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Once again since you're proving my point why should I care about me stuff when it's clear you guys don't care about us and the ironic thing is most men do care about what happens to women since we're more biologically disposed to. Ironically it's you guys that are more Prejudice because women have an in-group biased just to believe women and to perceive them as more trustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:56 PM
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I can hit on at my job all the damn time
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:55 PM
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I didnt
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:54 PM
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That's only if the relationship is transactional which I agree it is but I find it amazing because so many girls and feminists Will Spring to the heavens that relationships aren't transactional So why should I especially if we're talking about time because I'm also spending my time. But the bottom line is that we should be equal in theory in 2022 so there's no reason for a man to be expected to pay still No matter who gets asked out or who is doing the asking everyone should pay for themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:29 PM
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Or it could just be biology in the fact that women likes themselves about the quality and stuff like that There is no points or a reason why a guy still expected to pay in 2022 especially since we're so adamant about equalizing the genders and destroying gender roles I believe a lot of guys originally agreed with it so they grew up and realize that that's just not the case in your comment kind of proved it Those women get money from DM's because they know they can leverage your bodies to do that…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:21 PM
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All of this happens in individual relationships and how much we don't know
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:18 PM
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Did you see the black man getting shot at? Of course I saw it but once again we can't control every single situation to wear a black woman or a black man is going to be hurt like we can't control anything else Men are going to have to approach because of biology and that's never going to change just like violence and crazy dude just never going to change Believe me I hate approaching because of everything we keep f****** talking about in this discussion When you're a big black dude you know you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:16 PM
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Human nature is every man for themselves unfortunately. And I highly doubt you would be so brave and strong to stop somebody from doing something racist You want a pat on the back for doing something good because you're not the only one that's done something like that and once again it doesn't change my point that you can't control every single person or should you be expected to
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:10 PM
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Because we all know that historically speaking black men have been killed or jailed for doing normal things and because they are big and black and male normal body movements will be looked at as more threatening or hostile You see how you just accuse me of minimizing something but now that's basically what you're doing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:09 PM
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Men have to approach because girls don't and if men did not approach to the human species literally would not be here Most men still don't rape or harm anybody though so this is why I'm so confusing Most men don't rape or kill
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:08 PM
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He didn't assume you were there for his pleasure he just took a chance because that's what men are told to do and I'm not agreeing with how or what he did but I hate when girls try to justify normal biological stuff to themselves by saying that he just assumed I was there for XY and z For biological or social reasons men have no choice but to pursue because women don't do it? And once again I hate that this guy did that to you and I'm sorry for that and I don't excuse what he said but all of thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:07 PM
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That sounds ridiculous and immature in a little entitled and a little bit naive because you can't expect people to do this Believe me I understand as a fellow black person but even I don't expect white people to step in and stop other white people just because I know Human Nature
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:05 PM
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Until you guys get the police called on you for doing something simple as walking through a grocery store or walking down the street or going to your own school then you can tell me that it's not a privilege being seen is not predatory
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:04 PM
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The black communities in the state it in because the combination of unfortunately being enslaved for centuries and all the economic worlds that come with that especially when you're in a country that already hated your guts for so many years so it's going to be hard to build up well for yourself and I should not have to explain that to you I have done this to tons of men but at the same time it's not my job to be looking out for this type of thing. I understand that girls are scared and I unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:58 PM
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You have the privilege of being able to be looked at as more human and less likely to be up to no good
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:56 PM
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Something I don't understand is what are we supposed to be taking accountability for because we can't control every single man nor should we be expected to take the blame for every single man It's unfortunate that far away and long ago some men did horrible things to women but I as a man in 2022 cannot help that and I shouldn't be held to some type of Kangaroo Court just because I was born a man and just because I disagree with a woman What makes these men so angry is that girls get a lot of inv…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:54 PM
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You have no idea where I stand the biggest problem with you guys is that you think you know everything and can read minds but clearly you're ignorant as hell
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:43 PM
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I think you and every feminist needs to reread everything you just typed out and try to apply that to yourself because why should men care about any of your problems when it's clear you guys can't even give the same type of empathy or understanding back
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:41 PM
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Why would I care about your petty feelings when you don't care about our abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:41 PM
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Once again you're bringing up the few examples and I know what you're talking about and be careful about trying to debate someone because you keep insulting me and I could easily do the same to you It's already hard enough arguing with your dumbass
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:40 PM
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Not every guy has this stupid bro code and you're still trying to make it seem like every dose is somehow just be wary or understanding of this which we don't have to because most of us don't do this I'm not denying anything exist but there is so little the individual man can do because we can't just hold a leash on every single man nor should we You're not going to convince me, a black man that I should somehow be watching out for any type of behavior because historically speaking what you're d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:39 PM
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Because you all act like such victims. I have been shot at and abused and cussed out too but I can't make it seem like this is going to be the Ultimate Weapon to use against people And it doesn't matter anyway because I still can't control individual men You guys have no type of empathy Beyond just yourselves and try to never think about how men feel I don't think you would be able to handle growing up and being automatically looked at as a predator even when you're not and constantly having to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:38 PM
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I'm not excusing the behavior but at the same time stop complaining so much especially when don't realize you have a certain privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:35 PM
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You're either lying or exaggerating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:34 PM
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And yes it's better than being ugly because you only say that because you have no idea what it's like being on the other side
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:34 PM
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I did not give any excuses for any bad behavior but I also can't really help anything about it because I'm just one man and once again I understand it but it's crazy to think that other men should somehow feel guilty or be held accountable because of what other men do I've had a police called on me so should you as a white person have to constantly look out to make sure other white people are acting correctly
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:33 PM
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No my rule of my problem is the hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:32 PM
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Once again is one man can't control every single man nor do I know every man nor can I just magically sense when all of this is happening so I can be perfectly at my house and I would steal somehow have to face the consequence of someone else because I share their gender in that stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:32 PM
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Being into one body type or the other I guess as a man. I have found that girls and super skinny girls attractive but I usually prefer in the middle
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:20 PM
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As a man who's done well with all the women I think it's a mixture of realizing that aren't young so they can't really leverage that to manipulate or lead a man on Also I do think that's a combination of that and for the fact that they are older now so they probably are much more open to men and confident and actually expressing that to men where I feel like a lot of younger girls are so insecure that even when they are around guys they still expect guys to do all the heavy lifting And I know it…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 01:17 PM
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Also something to keep in mind is that's because this is happening to you it's most likely because you're very attractive and I'm excuses for it but this goes with every other type of thing. Not everybody gets the privilege of being born attractive and attractive people usually are treated better on every single metric I still feel empathy for people but whenever I see someone of any gender who is very attractive complain about this type of thing I just can't take it seriously because I know for…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:48 AM
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They shouldn't make you view any different because would it make sense for us to view women any different based off of bad behaviors of a few You guys weren't really self aware of that kind of have to approach you because relationships would not form otherwise because most women aren't going to do it. Now keep in mind as a guy there's no right way to do this type of thing because every girl will respond to different stuff very differently because I know some girls who would have loved a guy to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:34 AM
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And this right here is the root of all the problems because most guys do care about not bothering right now there is no other choice for men to take that risk because women aren't really going out in mass and trying to approach us And I'll tell you as a guy is getting harder every year to stay empathetic and understanding towards women because not a lot of you guys really care about how we feel
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:28 AM

Consciously we know working out is making us healthier but is it really making us feel better and I think that's the most important part. Break it out and meeting different people did make me feel better but not all the time because not everybody is going to click with you Sometimes I even felt the opposite because I feel like I was just forcing myself to do something over and over and while sometimes it helped still felt like it was nothing A lot of selfies yes because I was the type of overly …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:23 AM
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All that would be true if women weren't that Gatekeepers of sex and every guy passed Middle School can tell you that you could think yourself as cool and confidence ever but if every girl is protecting you then did it really matter? Like I said before I have been the life of the party and I still noticed that the girls really didn't look at me any differently which was okay because I was still feeling myself. When it comes to friendship and professional stuff I think all that stuff that we would…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:21 AM
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No I actually don't crack self deprecating jokes and like I said before my dating experience has been way better from age 21 to 25 then it was at 18 to 21 Believe me I get what you're saying but my experience kind of goes against all of that because I'm very self aware that I'm not the epitome of masculinity yet by The Red Pill standards and by feminine standards I shouldn't be getting anywhere near as much success as I have Like my body count is officially Three if we're just counting pip 6 but…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:39 AM
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I would also argue a lot of do something much effort anymore because we have a lot of the female equivalent
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:08 AM
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We can say this literally about everybody about anything that was ever complained about though. I even catch people who say they hate complaining complain all the time so it's a very human thing. I repeat. Most people who say they hate complaining are the ones who are mainly complaining all the time and they usually don't know it and it seems to be the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:03 AM
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It's not just a virtual part because it goes with so many other things and we could easily ask women the same thing to just be quiet instead of whining about every single thing that Farms them but even I can say that that stupid because everybody in society will have issues from something in some different way so I can agree with feminism that part but I think why guys get so angry is that this empathy or understanding for the male gender role really isn't taking it seriously as we do for female…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:02 AM
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Men have built and civilized the world so much that the women in our lives the demographic that had little to do with actually building the world can literally complain about it and hate on the men who are still keeping the women safe and secure especially in our modern countries where we need these types of men more than ever to keep it going
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 02:28 AM
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I get what you mean but this really is not the first time something like this has happened Specially The Narrative that the young men of XY and Z generation are going to destroy us because they are weak or too chaotic or too lazy..etc We live in 2022 so think of what our great grandchildren may think of what we may call our peaceful times now. They may think we live in these crazy dark times because of our technology now which to their understanding would be primitive compared to whatever they m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 08:10 PM
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But you can literally argue that for any other time in history. History fluctuates all the time and it's not really something you can predict or really control Europe went through a century of peace and prosperity between the Napoleonic Wars and World War I and you could argue because of that they were the weak men but let me remind you these were the same men who also were conquering most of the planet. It's strange because even when you look at 17th century European culture you get this weird …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 07:55 PM
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I'm talking about what happened on 20 years and I'm not going to act ignorant to act like things in the past don't affect the now
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:25 AM
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I come from the black community in America so we have a whole bunch of historical problems that coincide with with your talking about so I understand what you mean but I don't really use that as a measurement of someone's man good because we all go through so many different things in a man's life is his own fight Like I'm an artist bro and I just really feel like a man until I finally was able to accept that and stop taking horrible people so seriously you try to make you feel bad about being an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:57 PM
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Bro most teenagers do this without even thinking about it. That's why I never understood this type of advice because most people already do some form of this I never really learned how to fight because I didn't need to because I'm a big dude and I hate fighting but all the other stuff like physical labor and sports I did
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:32 PM
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So do things most teenagers already do. And I get you any accountability part but even as a kid it surprised me just how many adults never took accountability but I'm slowly learning that's probably more human than anything else
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:31 PM
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But see I never understood this even as a young man because it's kind of feels like we're expected to somehow show or perform something which by definition really doesn't make it to be true. Also like I said most men are still doing stuff their grandfathers did And I find it a little morbid that so many people want us to fight some type of world war to somehow prove our masculinity and that's crazy considering what the death toll was Did the 80 million people who died in World War II finally get…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:30 PM
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Even as a kid and I was a pretty good kid I still hated rules and boundaries because we all know there are usually not coming from a good place and too many people can still break them while the rest of us follow them get left behind What I hate is this weird demonization of young boys is that if we don't tell them to act like how we act and or somehow broken in both sides will do this
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:28 PM
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Your situations literally sounds like most of the dudes I grew up with outside of fighting in war I've never killed anyone but I have been shot at my mom has been shot and my uncle was murdered by getting shot 17 times so I'm no stranger to violence I find it a little crazy that we can compare who has it worse or who is more softer because by your logic we can literally make this conversation go all day by comparing who went through what
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:27 PM
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Like I taught myself how to ride a bike and fix stuff and I would argue it was easier because we had the internet so we can literally look up a video online to help us out
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:26 PM
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And yet so many men still do masculine activities, and I know what you mean because I'm a black kid that did not have a father but even still I still remember most of us as kids doing stereotypically masculine stuff and we didn't have to really call it masculine stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:26 PM
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I really don't see men taking less responsibility outside of deadbeats but we've always had people like that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:24 PM
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Crazy economic systems and oftentimes War can create hard times and as someone who actually studies history I can't take this seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:23 PM
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You basically describe my childhood because all I did was read books and work out and stuff so to me I find it crazy because when I was doing all that I was still called less than a man. It's hard for me to take seriously to hold these kids these days or X Y and Z because when I look back in my own childhood I just can't really say that I was that bad of a kid or that lazy because I still had a bunch of stuff I did and most of that stuff wasn't by choice
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:22 PM
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I really don't see any difference between that and today that because everything you asked me was kind of already answered with my original post Why I make this post is because even in my younger days I was so confused about so many older people saying this when the same older people saying this were not even conforming to what they believe manhood should be And when it comes to this type of thing I don't think any of us will really know unless we actually walk in millions of young men shoes and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:21 PM
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I think most of that is going to be natural anyway probably due to biology or being socialized that way That's the part where I do agree with feminists is that how you are socializing what is speaking into your head at a young age just has an effect Also you can have different things speeding into you at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:40 PM
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Men are taught to basically do all that otherwise you will be seen as cheap or cowardly or not masculine or insert any other term here This is the power that a lot of girls don't realize they have is that they can still extract resources from men without giving anything back because it's still very much expected of men and even if it wasn't the girls would still push for it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:36 PM
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Okay so I was in a single mother household in the hood with an autistic brother so I had to grow up a little quicker and I'm just one example but who knows how many other guys you would view as not having responsibility but actually do what you go to their actual home instead of just thinking that they lack responsibility because they're men Yes women attempt suicide more but we shouldn't be making this a competition since the boys literally are getting good and actually finishing it. There are …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 03:04 PM
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So many girls even in Middle School one of the guy who was like a Superman and it's funny because they just stated without even thinking about if that guy even exist, if it's realistic, or if they can even Attract it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:57 PM
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Doing better in housing and employment and school for one thing and clearly mental health because even though I know girls mental health has skyrocketed guys are still killing themselves at record numbers and I know this because I've had two friends kill themself For my experience it was the guys that were expected to grow up faster and the girls we're coddled more
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:56 PM
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And this is something else a lot of people need to understand is that we as social creatures make Society so we are all to blame for all of our society's problems. Unconscious biases are real and we do a lot of things on the regular that could contribute to society's problems that we don't think about Racism isn't just a country or police problem for example. It's everybody's problem on every single level That black kid has a right to walk anywhere but being a young black man I know that there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:52 PM
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That sounds lacking in empathy or understanding because I bet if you were in that same position and you're being human I know you have similar experiences and feelings, you wouldn't want anyone else telling you that and I swear every single time I see this type of person I can always see right through it because I've been on both sides I was the little angry dude who used to hate hearing other people's problems because I had my own problems and I used to think that we all should just be quiet be…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:50 PM
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I guess it's because the same reason why women seem to think they need some Superman when they don't match it and sometimes it's because a lot of people's self-confidence really doesn't match up with perception and that's a whole other conversation our coach needs to have because you just loving yourself doesn't really mean people are going to recognize that treat you with respect
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:47 PM
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Because those women are also painfully average
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:45 PM
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It is very much conscious. Because I have met tons of horrible parents and they had no inkling about telling their son or daughter how ugly or stupid they were and there's levels to this thing also but it's so willfully ignorant to think that you just can't stop acting like this My mother was good but she wasn't the best also and I'm glad that happened because it was a great lesson to show me that not every child should trust every adult but not every woman really is that dependable or strong. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:42 PM
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It's not that we're entitled to your body or time it's for the fact that dating you versus you dating me has a lot of different consequences and unfortunately as a man a lot of my value comes from how successful I can look which ironically comes from how much time and energy I put into a certain bank. So if I'm out with a girl and I'm paying for everything and looking good and trying my best to act right and then she hits me with some crazy stuff then of course I'm going to be upset I really thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:40 PM
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And this is something that I love when I say because it's another part of the puzzle but what makes you think guys aren't here aren't working out or doing things like that anyway because no I'm not in the gym anymore a couple of years ago I stayed in the gym and was in school and was working on my career and still leading clubs and stuff Now keep in mind they did not really get me all the girls ever but I hate this whole narrative that you just have to work super hard at everything and then you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:36 PM
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I've softened up too because I have seen tons of examples of girls going after not so touch the guys and I include myself in that so not everything is absolute truth but when your culture keeps telling you something over and over again it's hard not to believe it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:34 PM
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As a man who has bipolar disorder and some slight PTSD I kind of hate that our culture even has this conversation about trauma dumping and everything because believe me I get that some people don't have the tools but anyone who was social enough knows that everybody goes through something and if you press the right buttons people will usually reveal it and even as a kid I never view men or women as being weak for being upset or clearly having issues
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:31 PM
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I honestly think we as a society should stop that as well because it's just another soft lie and I only harm Society but still allows women to live in the bubble that they're still the soft delicate things which just can't be true in 2022 because of all the stuff that we have been forced down our throats I agree with women's rights don't get me wrong but if you guys want to be like me and that comes with a lot of responsibility that sometimes isn't even worth it and you won't get rewarded for it…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:28 PM
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This our society's fall because our society is so ready to lie to young men and I have asked effort to protect young women that it ends up hurting both genders and at this point I really don't care if there is uprising or not just because these types of conversations just kind of prove it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:26 PM
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We've over correctly protecting y'all when giving you guys that we basically forgot about our boys. That's why see literally girls doing so well in every metric despite the narrative that girls are oppressed and that's because ironically the same sexist norms. Because Society views you guys is needing extra help it makes stuff easier for you meanwhile Society views even young men as having to be hyper individualistic so they don't get as much help and they probably would not do well if they aske…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:13 PM
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Not every boy needs to be strict with though and that's my point is that both sides seem to think that they understand what these was go through but as a young man who grew up in the recent generation I suffered a lot because both sides just were not let me be
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:09 PM
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Everything you said could easily be reversed as women don't really live most of men's life so how could they know if men had a good or not? How many times does a woman try to play with men go through and bring up what she goes through? You keep bringing up all these tiny examples when I know it's not the norm because I've also done my research into this other thing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:08 PM
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I see a lot of that in society My cousin's wife has princess syndrome a child and even though she's also black she came from way better economic backgrounds and it shows Keep in mind she is amazing human being but sometimes when we're out at restaurants or out in public it really does show There are so many behaviors and so many little things that girls can do that I don't really think they're really self-aware that they can do because they are viewed as more delicate and non-threatening which i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:05 PM
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I dated a lot as a virgin and I get what you guys are saying but it is so naive in a little ignorant to think that so many other girls don't have the same stigma in their head about guys. I remember I had a girl literally checking me out and she completely was turned off when I told her I was a virgin and I was completely cool with it, and I wasn't acting weird about it, I understand lying but maybe this is the game that we are all playing because out of all the girls I have messed around with o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:01 PM
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But you understand from the inexperienced guy standpoint, this is so frustrating and exhausting to have to keep bouncing around and lying over something that really shouldn't have to be lied about. We all know someone has to start somewhere with sex and we all know especially when we're younger or not a lot of us really look the best or act the best. I didn't really know there was a virginity stigma until I got older because in my young head I really was not thinking about sex that much in Middl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:57 PM
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That's just so out of my experience because men are already going to be looked at is more rambunctious and the bigger and taller they are is just going to make it worse and add raceon that then of course you're going to see so many differences I remember being in school to wear if I ever stood up to either a classmate or a teacher I would get in trouble even though I was only raising my voice just two decibels. Keep in mind so many students and older people could do whatever they wanted from yel…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:47 PM
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Are your traits in you because you yourself Define them and find Value in them or are your traits condition in you by your Society or being into you psychologically? If it's the latter two then it's not genuine Like I said before it's an invisible privilege truly when you can play a game where the rules aren't the same for you. People are going to be different based off of gender race size Etc and we will be foolish not to think all that has some type of social effect even when we think ourselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:37 PM
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But it's not really coming from a genuine place if it's socialized in you because so many things are socialized in the state probably aren't good or savory but they do it because it's easier to keep social control. I swear when you see it you can't unsee it. As a young man I was really socially aware and it is very easy to tell just how much girls can get away with and they know it. The great thing about all this that girls know is that what they can and can't get away with because they are girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:11 PM
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I know the tractors that use and it's not good either way. I know some men who act like a Karen and I know a bunch of women who will act violent as well so there is a bunch of gender variancy but it's all still bad behavior. I was raised by some parents so it's definitely real
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:09 PM
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Dude we're not going to agree I'm sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:07 PM
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Just because you were able to survive something like that does not mean everyone will and your experience a little different since you were from a little bit better neighborhood but not every young man comes out of something unscathed and most young men who are already going through a lot as home or school don't need to be constantly told if they're a dangerous Society either because that's not a recipe for a good self-esteem You can very much be depressed and insecure and still surpass standard…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:06 PM
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Yes I agree with all that but I don't get what you're trying to tell me
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 12:32 AM
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I started history as a minor in college in all my life I have studied it so.... even the attempt of generalizing entire peoples is kind of immature even though I get where you're coming from. When I was a kid I used to think myself so Superior because I could understand systems of government or other places or facts about other nations but it's bullish to think most people would even understand that because. Even in other countries you will find it most people really don't understand that well a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 12:30 AM
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Proportionally speaking I can see what you mean just being born into a Western Country but that does not literally mean that your life somehow be better Even in the richest Nations on Earth the one% still hold all the power. And that does not necessarily mean just because you're born into a rich Nation you will get benefits or become rich yourself and I don't think most people expect that but still
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 12:24 AM
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Most people already do that but our society has literally made the common Human Experience into a competition because if anyone says anything unique they have been through the next person will either try to wave it away or come up with something even worse
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 12:23 AM
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And this is something else I've been thinking about a lot lately is it really our fault that people perceive us in a wrong way because while I get we need to have social skills at the same time there's no guarantee people will treat you right or give you respect even if you have the best social skills
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 12:03 AM
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Just because you perceive something as one way does not mean it's true as I used to think everyone else in my generation was crazy spoiled until I grew up actually started thinking more clearly instead of out of hatred. My grandfather grew up a black man in the 1950s and '60s and I get your saying about the common human experience But can everybody's life is something different and there's tons of unique variables
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:46 PM
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Once again everybody's life is different. I grew grew up in a very messed up household with autitic child and I know most people can't handle that type of thing because my own family kind of ignores him every time he's around they tend to call me or my mom to help take care of them At the same time I don't want to make life to this competition because there's probably so many other things that people have gotten over that I could not and vice versa
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:44 PM
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Keep in mind the same society that says we are sheltered at the same society that will tell us that we are going to burn in hell if we somehow dare to disrespect our parents or to rebel against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:20 PM
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This is why I just can't really agree with either side because I get a lot of people are spoiled but we also don't live every once lives in it I bet if you ask a bunch of 20 year olds today they would not really agree that they were spoiled or sheltered. I come from the hood which is his own bag of worms but my mom was on drugs and we were poor and had an autistic child in the house so I was by no means sheltered
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:19 PM
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I don't think that's everybody because looking back in my childhood it was not an easy one and I was left way too open to getting abused by so many different adults
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:18 PM
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And believe me I get looks matter but I'm also not so naive to think that people don't get together who have Mitch Match looks because that's tons of people. In my opinion my next girlfriend look way better than what I could normally pull but I still pulled her somehow
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:17 PM
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I think the point of the story is that we shouldn't just jump into relationships really nearly and also not to abuse people or accept abuse That's what part that feels realistic and relatable to me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:17 PM
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To be honest with you as a self-proclaim to functional young man I really don't see too much difference as most of our dysfunction can come down to doing the same stuff our dads and grandparents did which is like party and stuff And I know it's not everybody but listening to my Grandad talk it's kind of surprising because it seems like he got away with a lot more in his generation then I couldn't mind despite us thinking that their generation was much more moral Like I didn't start really smokin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:16 PM
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I think this is a trap of masculinity because it's so pickle. Something that's been helping me a lot recently is coming to that realization that just because you are respectable or in this case trying to become the best masculine ideal, doesn't really mean you will get rewarded or respect back I know tons of guys who were on football teams and sporty and who you would call Alpha men and even they were not highly respected by every single person and in some cases because they were such go-getters…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:15 PM
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I've kind of talk women doing that on dates too and it's crazy because if someone feels comfortable enough they will reveal a lot of things that are not Savory and once again you think women would at least try not to show these types of biases because they're the main ones championing that people should challenge unconscious biases and I agree with that part But unconscious biases go both ways and just because you are a victim of this type of thing does not mean you yourself have not perpetuated…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 10:12 PM
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As a guy who grew up on both sides of media I can say that while most of women's media is very unrealistic there are a few gems that can cater to both men and women such as Scott Pilgrim which has been teaching me so many lessons about how to treat people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:43 PM
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It's kind of similar to what happened to all the men that flew away from Afghanistan because it's easy to see those men as cowards with those same men are leaving so they can get more money and funds to actually support their family and friends in a war-torn country. Fighting Wars and fighting Invaders isn't just the literal physical part but all the logistics and resources that go into it Even if my Sailors aren't fighting I still have to keep them well fed and supplied because they are moving …
/r/MensRights08/11/22 06:21 PM
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I'm from the Deep South so I still see a lot of traditional Behavior but as someone who is not really conforming myself I also know that people don't always act like that and I have had so many experienced to where that I am so good at this type of thing that I have even gotten the most toughest of men to open up because I think we all know instinctively that we're putting on Acts Something that I was talking to a friend with is that a lot of people in history who did not conform really did not …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:06 PM
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Assassin is it is to say I remember so many times to where I did not get respect or did not have people treating me right until I started to use my masculinity in size so I do agree with you about the physical stuff but once again do men do it just because or they know that they will be at least respected or treated better because of it I do truly believe people conform to their gender role because it is much more socially acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:04 PM
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Once again is this because of innate stuff or is it because of how we're socialized Because I agree with you but I just don't agree with the reasoning behind it Like we know girls bully but it's looked at differently because it's more passive aggressive and sometimes even when it's not passive it's still looked at as not as bad. A lot of the stuff I have told you has come from other women and other feminists as well and once again I don't even really completely agree with them but I don't you wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:03 PM
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Is it that they're more socialized and less antisocial or is it because we tend to fall in line with what our society should think of about us because of that same combination of biology and sociological factors For example a lot of us in the last 40 years all went to the same type of schools but even still we still see more men and women by choice entering more traditional fields Once again people are different and people are going to be different especially nowadays and I am all for that You s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:01 PM
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I get what you mean. Like my grandmother was a teenager in 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was passed. She literally lived through a changing generation and saw the best and worst of america. In theory she should be more empathetic towards different minority groups because of their similar experiences but boy if you would hear some of her opinions on gay people you would imagine she was some type of card carrying member of the clan. Sometimes we have to remember that people are products of their …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:58 PM
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Think about the man who also work in those fields. You noticed they don't really get full respect like other men would and more traditionally masculine fields. It's something you notice growing up. Look at how male fashion designers or romance authors are looked at as either gay or weird because they indulge in a traditionally feminine hobby or job And I know stranger today because I'm an artist and it took me years to ignore what societies expectations were about masculinity towards people like…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:56 PM
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Believe me men are not allowed just to be forthright and quick to anger because every single time I stood up for myself in school or at work either the principal got called or the police got called. And this isn't even me really getting upset but even if I raise my voice just a little bit I'm looked at as more threatening I get what you're saying but I really don't think there is a gender overlap because I've been in management positions and at both of my jobs both of the managers at the highest…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:55 PM
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I think that goes along with what I'm saying because I don't doubt that your grand parents grew up in a time where they were raised to be hyper traditional so I could imagine that type of thing still around. It's fascinating because even nowadays you can catch women saying some very anti woman things even though our culture would say that it was not a good thing. Even more so when it's in casual conversation but if you are into this type of thing it's so easy to pick up on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:50 PM
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Once again is this because girls are just naturally more intuitive or is it because we assign so much of that too little girls as a culture. When I was a young man I was so confused because while I was super big and tall I just had no interest in super sporty or violent things or at least not at the level that so much of the people around me expected me to do Looking back it does not surprise me so many people thought I was feminine because I love talking to people and being around people and st…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:48 PM
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And it's crazy I kind of see no difference because of how our generation is perceived because I work around so many old people and they all talk the same Every single generation thinks the one before them had at the hardest and the one after them had it the easiest and as a history buff that seems to be the norm. I had a Uber driver who was at least in her 40s and she vented to me about how she was having difficulty paying bills and I don't see it as somehow not rising to life challenges because…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:46 PM
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Once again when you're the gender that really does not have much stake at making mistakes of course you're going to think that you are better at it because the rules aren't the same Britney Spears dancing in the middle of the street in a ballerina outfit is going to be looked at very differently from Terry Crews dancing in the middle of the street in a ballerina outfit They could be acting the same way and have the same personality and all that other stuff but it's just going to be perceived dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:42 PM
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As crazy as it is when we talk about body positivity we really need to go into more detail just how our body types affect how people see us because ironically girls love thinking that body type and gender doesn't matter but clearly it does since they're still scared of big men XD As a young man I knew that I was looked at as more dangerous so I adopted a much more comedic attitude to kind of deal with that and so far it has helped but I would not lie to say it gets a little old to be viewed as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:41 PM
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Young boys go through a version of this too where it might be repression or the opposite because our culture tells young boys that they have to be super sexual all the time even when they don't feel like it and everybody perpetuates this standard When I was in Middle School I had no interest in sex and of course I wanted to get to know girls but even at a young age I knew that we were not really mature enough nor had any skills or resources to deal with that type of thing I really did not want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:40 PM
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Honestly yes and I saw a lot of that growing up especially if you are born in the South where it is more traditional. Of course times are going to change and not everybody's going to be like that but they're still this culture of just brow beating a young boy into a man and completely forgoing if that's having a positive or negative effect on his mental state. Especially in the black community. Being a normal kid would normal kid Behavior can get you pathologized as being a troublemaker and as o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:38 PM
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So you can get out more and honestly looks. I get complimented daily and I catch women staring all the time. I feel like I'm going through this weird ugly duckling syndrome but it kind of gives Credence to black people thinking because it will be dishonest to think that attractive people don't get away with all types of stuff that normally would not be considered good. And I think that can trickle down and up the attractiveness scale And I also kind of get where women say that attention sometime…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:35 PM
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I've had more success in recent years as I just turned 25 and honestly there really is no much difference between 18-year-old me and 25 year old me so I do think average people could become virgins later on because we've all basically agreed that it is a stigma and is looked at badly. Even the most socially graceful person would probably get turned down because of their inexperience even if they had all the other skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:05 PM
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Ironically the one setting the rules could be argued to be horrible at it because they regularly don't have to do it. Like straight up everyday I went on it felt like I had to pull a girls interest out of her just because she was either so nervous or was just lacking or intimidated which I understand because I am a big guy and I am intelligent. But it really does not match up with a narrative of women just being more socially into it because as I said before it's a chicken and egg thing The king…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:01 PM
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Yet look at how many girls will complain about how they try to go after a guy or get them to notice him but it didn't work because he didn't notice and I don't really think that is your fault. Like my ex is very scattered and she did not know what she wanted but because of how socially intuitive I am I could always tell through her body language how she really was The girl said she doesn't like me yet she's putting her head on my shoulder and flipping her hair in my face and resting her leg on m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:59 PM
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Unfortunately society and Men Let of women get away with way too much and I know stranger to that because I grew up in a household filled with nothing but bitter women and I understand where they're coming from but at the same time I was born in this generation and I had nothing to do with whatever man hurt them and now I'm the one that's getting the emotional abuse because of something my dad or grandfather did. One of my greatest moves in life was finally telling my mom exactly what she was an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:54 PM
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Look I'm a pretty big dude and I have been on the opposite side to where I could not be regularly emotional because anybody excuse against my very valid frustration was that I was too big So I hear you but once again my point still stands. We need to get over the stigma as a society because it's just not fair. Once again most people really don't follow what they believe they preach and I'm pretty sure you fit in that category as well and that's not a bad thing because it's human. There are so ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:51 PM
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Once again when you're the gender that does not have to do all of this stuff to prove anything then of course you're going to think to yourself that you are somehow better at social skills because you don't really have to have yours tested all the time. I believe this is a chicken or egg thing because I think a lot of women aren't really self aware that they have an easier time being social is because Society forgives their social incompetence more than it would a man A girl can make mistakes an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:48 PM
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Once again it's a very invisible privilege when you're the gender that does not have to approach anybody or try to gauge anyone's interest because what you call social skills really isn't what it is. Guys have to learn how to do extra stuff because girls are that picky and the way you guys pick in the way you guys communicate to me is not usually Direct especially when it comes to things like social cues because girls social cues are so ambiguous that they could easily fly over somebody's head w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:46 PM
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But in this day and age it isn't understandable because it kind of glares in the face of what our modern society is trying to be which is to be more open and to be more gender free which I am all about but we can't just pick and choose when and how though and I understand that men being bigger has a factor but men being bigger is also because of their sex and how they are born which does attribute to how they're perceived which is a gendered problem Also something else we have to consider is tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:18 AM
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I understand that but once again as a man and especially when we're talking about gender roles I don't think a lot of women are self aware that they kind of hold men's emotions captive because it's like you're still placing a condition on when and how he supposed to emote To me that's the unfair/sex's part because if it's really true that I can be all I want to be as a man in 2022 then I should not have to worry about how or when or why I express myself.......within reason I get being emotionall…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:55 AM
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Judging from the numbers it seems a lot of that is changing as you see much more women single and that's for many reasons both good and bad. This isn't just a dating issue though because it's now turned into a political and societal one because we've turned something that's supposed to be natural into something very unnatural A lot more women in the future will be childless and without a marriage and that will become a problem. Mainly because so many average women seem to think that they are abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:53 AM
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And this is why I also think our culture needs to open up more about exactly what gender and gender roles are because we can't both say that we should be abolishing gender roles and yet still be scared of men because their size difference because that is still a very gendered thing. I'm a big black dude and I have to deal with the mixture of being black and a big man so I was never a stranger to realizing that I was going to be treated a little bit differently compared to my white friends or fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:49 AM
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I agree completely and I grew up in a very abusive household, as in both my mom and stepdad were very abusive not only towards each other but to me as well So I do understand that aspect and I also understand that it isn't very gendered because my mom is a classic example of getting physical when she does not get her way
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:44 AM
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See the problem with this type of thing is everyone thinks that they are good at something and their flaws aren't as bad but as I get older I started to realize that a lot of people really aren't too self aware about this type of thing Don't get me wrong I believe you but anyone could tell themselves that they are actually oriented and only vent once but as someone who is also very social and action-oriented I'm still surprised at how many people will vent without thinking about it and I really …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:39 AM
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As a man that's been approached for a meaningless f*** I have to disagree only because I enjoy socializing a lot and I have so many different social groups of friends which includes girls and I believe it's a privilege being the outside looking in because you can kind of see where girls BS start When you've been both the guy that gets ignored and then the guy gets attention you can really see the difference and there really is no difference except for the social hierarchy basically But I think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:36 AM
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I kind of agree with this because I've always thought that if one gender is literally expected to carry most of the weight of every single interaction and not only that have more to lose based off of if they're not following the correct social script, then they must be the gender that is more socially mature despite being told differently I used to give public speaking and it was crazy just how much of a difference it showed between the girls and the boys because there was really no difference i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:32 AM
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I hear what you're saying. And I understand that people want their partner to be emotionally healthy but I feel like this is one of those flaring double standards I have to ask, do you think you're at the level to where you can handle all this type of stuff and feel like no one is going to perceive you as being over emotional or over venting because in my experience sometimes we are not the best at perceiving ourselves well Whenever I listen to my female friend speak about this type of standard …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:29 AM
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I think men already give that I think it is still a shame because men should be able to emote any way they want without it being seen as a negative All my life I have seen women break down emotionally and break stuff and even get violent and it's so acceptable and no one in the right mind would try to make it seem like she is more or less than a woman for doing so so why is the standard still imposed on men If I cannot be myself around you and if I feel like I have to constantly Hide Away myself…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:27 AM
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I honestly don't think we should be putting conditions on waiting how men should be able to express themselves because this is exactly the rule of the problem. Believe me I get everything you're saying but Society gives women way too much leeway to basically break down and act crazy and women aren't seen as immature or unattractive for doing so. The strongest man on Earth does not change if he decides to break down and cry one day or vice versa. And as a kid I never understood that because you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:25 AM
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As a son of a single mother it is hilarious when my mom is trying to warn me against women that arguably she would have been friends with when she was their age. Which I'm kind of thankful that my mom is a little bit more knowledgeable about men's issues and she kind of had to be because she's a black mom and she has three black sons so there's a little bit more danger that goes along with it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 12:16 AM
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Unfortunately there are tons of people who get tons of things just for existing and not just for the sexual but so many other factors in life How many women throughout history have gone things stated in the work for because they attached themselves to a husband or another man in their society. I come from a single mother household and my mom have to do things like that You can be the most fulfilled person and still have hatred and you can be the most successful and still have messed up mindset
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:38 PM
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Sorry I had to go back and reread because the conversation got back to inequalities and whether or not we should State those or ignore it and what I'm telling you is you can still be the best you can and point out things that are wrong as the two don't have to be separate For example I hate abuse so I protested against abuse when I was younger. I try to Advocate against this because it does affect a lot of men and women and especially young children. No I will not save everybody and no you canno…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:23 PM
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And once again we all know the laws are changing but it's foolish to think that human nature does not play a role because nepotism favoritism racism and other stuff does play a role and I would be naive to act like it doesn't I'll give you one example. I took a trip to France couple of years ago and for the life of me I could not get my passport on time because the people refuse to send it to me and after going through so many channels I finally had to call my president of my school so she could…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:20 PM
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I agree so I'm a little confused on why you're saying this
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:18 PM
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Even what you said is a part of the problem because it's a narrative that's not true. By and large most people still are race loyal when it comes to love as most black men and women still married together and reproduce together and of course you're going to have outliers We shouldn't use celebrities as an example because those 1% of black people don't represent the other 40 million Also just because one is educated does not mean they're successful and I'm kind of feeling the front of that as I'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:18 PM
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Thinking ambition leads to success but not everybody who's ambitious leads to the same amount of success especially the type of success that girls think about. A guy working hard to become a manager at a retail store is not going to be looked at the same as the god working hard to be a banker for example Also you can have a guy by definition who is ambitious like a computer programmer but because he does not conform to other forms of masculinity he'll probably be looked at as unfavorable despite…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:03 PM
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You can still do the best with what you have and still pinpoint glaring hypocrisies and inequality and as much as I hate when feminists do it they are onto something because we have literally thousands of years of human history to tell us this I'm pretty sure my grandparents and their parents were very much aware of this when they were fighting for my rights into 50s and 60s but at the same time if they did not fight against that and if they would have just stayed quiet I doubt much would change…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:45 PM
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It is a glitch because it all assumes traits instead of actually looking at what is just as you're trying to tell me. And I can kind of agree with you on the stoicism part but I'm not too big I'm still listening because I just feel like it's a different type of Cope. If you must really were meant to be emotionless and have things not bother them than we wouldn't have evolved together in packs which later turn to tribes which were to turn to cities which are now Nations The problem is our culture…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:43 PM
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His point is that girls will still not give Grace to any guy that is in the in between When I was a virgin I was the most confident in Social person in my friend group and yet despite being literally more confident than everybody else I still kept getting turned down because I was a virgin So many girls will say this but they don't realize that guys act like this because acting like the opposite usually gets guys rejected
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:30 PM
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I just made a reply to this because so many girls think it's a lack of self-control but they act like if a guy is somehow acting celibate then that gives him browny points
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:28 PM
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A lot of men will sleep with girls they would not regularly find attractive or go out in public with because of the same affirmation sexual inequalities between men and women For example a pretty girl from a good household doesn't have to work on herself but because she was still born in a very privileged position she can leverage that to get a man who is better than her. That's why you see so many girls working retail and low income Jobs still finding men who literally are Engineers or Bankers …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:27 PM
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I understand you because having sex does not make a person good and men will be the first ones to tell you that a woman who was sexy does not equal a woman who is good to other people or get the children or good to men At the same time as a man I do think a lot of what women believe to be good against skewered because unfortunately the guys that are the most sexually attractive usually aren't the best morally. And you can understand why because if you're doing something wrong but it still gets y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:22 PM
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Girls being attracted to top men but wrong with your Freights to the top and thinking that that's how those topics got there. For example a lot of girls they say they want ambition but we all know ambition looks different for different things but they'll say ambition instead of just saying they want a man who is better than them or a man that is richer than them Keep in mind there's tons of men who got a lot of what they have for Less work compared to thousands and millions of men who will not g…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:09 PM
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You can still date around and not sleep with a person to see what you like and so far that's been working for me but so many girls still expect men to be traditional one day themselves are not conditional and this is a part of that double standard and I'm sorry but it all goes both ways Most girls won't even entertain you whether sexually or for a relationship if you don't have x y and z and as men we know the standards are stupid especially nowadays in 2022 but yet we're still expected to do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:04 PM
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And yet I have had more success in the last recent years I have even a girl who had a boyfriend so..... Double standards are a thing and unfortunately they go both ways You still can't expect traditional outcomes when you yourself are not traditional
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:02 PM
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You first
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:20 PM
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Which is thrown Our dating landscape out of whack because women still expect traditional outcomes from men but we can't from women and it doesn't make sense to why I should take a girl seriously if she literally is giving her sexual favors to someone else without any tradition behind it but still expects me to be traditional So many girls want to be ran through in their twenties but then want to decide to become a virgin wife and you know it's true because such a thing gets born again virgins wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:12 PM
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And there are still people who shame promiscuous and virgin men, will shame in for their big size, who shame in for their income, who shame men for how tough they are, those shame in for being too tough, Men still get shame for a lot of stuff that they really shouldn't be getting shamed for it in 2022 so I hear you but at the same time I really can't feel as much empathy as I used to when I was younger because you guys also do a lot of shaming towards the opposite sex and I don't think a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:10 PM
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Almost half the dates I went on every girl felt too comfortable to talk about the dudes they slept with and I have even turned down at least three girls who tried to get with me while having a man so I can't really take all these standards seriously anymore because you guys really aren't trying to give the same amount of respect and empathy back I had a girl make fun of me because I was trying to wait to have sex so I can imagine the other way around she wouldn't like it either but so many girls…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:55 PM
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It doesn't matter who commits more violence or not because women can still do damage even if they are committing violence And once again I asked people this all the time instead of blaming and wondering why ask yourself why so many young men feel like they need to be like this or act like this? It doesn't really matter if it's biological or social or not because you guys are still going to find a way to blame these men anyway and once again you can't think yourself gender champions of equality b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:53 PM
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But I was also raised by a bunch of angry and vindictive women so I'm not a stranger to female emotional violence and manipulation. And a lot of that does involve you and fear tactics on them because of their size and strength and once you notice it you can put a stop to it You guys can't think yourselves pioneers of gender change yet do the same type of behavior and it doesn't matter if it's a man or how big he is
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:48 PM
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Of course a man but we're all supposed to be getting away with gender roles so it shouldn't matter right? That is of course it matters but stop acting like gender is not a real thing then because you can't say that gender roles are gone yet still fear men based off of their gender and size I'm a big black dude can I get so tired of so many of these white girls thinking they're so oppressed and dangerous because historically speaking I should be more fearful of walking behind them than they are o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:47 PM
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I agree and this is why I say there are so many privileges in society that may be invisible because being able to work less is hard from everybody is a privilege. Now I'm not saying don't use any opportunity that comes your way because I'll tell anybody to do that and my own mother even used to tell me that. Sometimes it's not about how hard you work but who you know and I still remember my mother telling me that when I was about eight or nine And I believe it because I have used my personality …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:43 PM
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And this is why I hate feminism because they love screaming that gender isn't real but yet to find every reason to still hate the fear of Man based off of gender stuff and the same girls will be the same ones who will bring that and it just gets so old
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:31 PM
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But all of that is BS because we're supposed to be equal now which means no more excuses for either gender and no more using each other's gender as excuses so as a big man I'm sorry I'm not going to really care about this type of thing because the same people who will make fun of me for not using my strength but the same ones who will Spring how they're scared if I do start using it You can't say gender is a social construct it doesn't matter yet still be terrified of men based off of Old gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:30 PM
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But not every woman deserves that type of thing because not every woman is high value and no one's time is precious as no one is really owed anything I always find discussions like these funny because it's one of those things that I don't think a lot of women are very care about but are dating standard s have just we are not traditional anymore and it doesn't make sense for a man to still be traditional when he's not really getting a traditional woman back Also and this is number one a lot of gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:26 PM
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They may tell you that but they're not going to mention all the times they got help from a family member or friend or any other types of aid t they may receive I used to believe in this type of thing too that's my hard work on its own will bring Merit but I've had too many real life experiences where I was picked over by the person who wasn't. Even the greatest conquerors in history did not do it by themselves and did not do it all by their own back. Once again hard work is very good and give me…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:22 PM
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The problem with your premise is there's so many outline variables that go into account that I don't think even the best people really consider because it goes against the just world fallacy. You can be born in the wrong circumstances and do everything right and still end up losing because of those circumstances. And believe me I understand the value of working hard because I wouldn't be as far in my career if I did not work hard but I also was not going to be naive and think that it was going t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:08 PM
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Most millionaires are not self made
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 01:05 PM
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I would say both only because both are possible but extremely hard for different reasons. A woman can only do so much to make herself slim and pray him and makeup will only do so much and at the same time it will be foolish to blame ugly or women for not being beautiful because it's mostly something that they are born with and it is unfair that men feel kind of expect this type of thing especially towards women who just weren't born looking that good. A man can only do so much to make himself fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 12:01 AM
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The cynic in me kind of agree with this but the black man near me can't help but think this is too foolish and it Springs from the same cynical feelings I know US History like the back of my hand and it's still amazes me just how much Darkness racism and evil stuff that went on in the in the country but we will be foolish to think that changes did not happen because we see kids of all Races interacting with each other and doing stuff now without any social penalty. Of course is going to be in qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 11:57 PM
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And keep in mind I understand that women have a lot of their unique challenges and I completely understand that but it goes both ways and I just ask that our sisters of all Races could at least think about their brothers outside of thinking them as predatory Not every man is going to be Suave and sometimes an attempt to be Suave can backfire and even the most Suave men can still come off as creepy to the wrong woman
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 11:51 PM
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There are so many expectations to stick must of guys are kind of forced to accept and I don't think a lot of girls will wear that they contribute to a lot of these. For example there is nothing wrong want to get a guy to come up to you also really can't think yourself a feminist because you're still contributing to Old sexist norms Also my experience as a black man you do not know how many black women I've had to check because when you get down to it white women are very privileged group and may…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 11:49 PM
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And I think we all extensively know that but so much of attention between men and women seems to be for the fact that we can't just acknowledge that these differences are there instead of blaming each gender because all things considered I can't control every single male on the planet nor can every woman control every single woman on planet I'm a comic book artist and I have really been thinking about writing about my experiences with women and dating just so it will tell such a very different s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:02 PM
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The best way I can explain it is that a lot of girls themselves especially when they are young they'll realize that being the gender that chooses is a privilege and also being the gender that is looked at as more innocent is a privilege. Like as a big black dude I learned early on that even though I was non-threatening and did so many things my friends did of both genders and of both races, I would still be looked at as more predatory and more dangerous because I was bigger and taller and black …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 04:03 PM
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I've told tons of people and even ex-girlfriends and you kind of get half and his old and do it on purpose because I'm trying to filter out who is going to be judging me based off of this stupid s***
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:53 PM
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Ironically I guess some cliches are true because I've had more success now from age 22 to 25 than I did at 18 and I was mentally healthier back then. I still have fooled around with girls and I even made an older lady orgasm twice just by grinding on her. I just recently turned down a girl who wanted to cheat on her man with me. Like I said I know I have the social skills and I know I am handsome because I've been told it and I have opened up so many doors based off of how I talk to people alone…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:52 AM
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I understand understand that it can be relative but that doesn't really take away that the stigma exists and it's crazy especially in our modern times when we're supposed to be breaking down gender roles and becoming more sex positive I still cannot understand why there's so many crazy politics and standards around the male virgin My First Girlfriend made me wait but then cheated on me and I won't lie I did hate her a long time for playing me like that but something that made me hate her even mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:50 AM
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But you kind of admit that it is a stigma because you say you shouldn't admit it but if it's really true that it's not all that big of a deal then there's no reason why a guy shouldn't be upfront. Now I'm not naive as I know not everybody is going to handle something like that but for all intents and purposes and especially with how our culture is trying to be sex positive it's still baffling to me that there's still so many hoops and weird politics around male virgins
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:48 AM
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A male virgin can very much go into a 30s being a virgin because theoretically speaking if all the women he went after rejected him for being a virgin then what else can he do and you can't ask that man to somehow just be happy about it or forget about that It's a chicken and egg thing but I very much believe that it's the stigma that makes people like that because you're kind of talking to a young man who went through this double standard I would literally have friends come to me for positivity…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:47 AM
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And yet I have real life experiences being completely cool with myself and still getting made fun of in Passover for opportunity and The Virginity itself was the reason and it's not my fault that girls will project all these crazy reasons for their virginity If you're 30 year old virgin and you got rejected every time because of said virginity then it's because of the virginity. It gets a little bit exhausting narrative that virgin guys are somehow these woman hating evil people. So far in my ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:45 AM
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As of near 25-year-old virgin and I say that because I still have not PIV. It does backfire on you even if you're still the most outgoing because there will be a time where you do want to try but if the person you're trying to have sex with still rejects you for your virginity then it does not matter how confident you were. It's disingenuous because it's like telling the guys who lived this life that they're real life experiences are wrong and that they are not valid It's not self-sabotage if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:41 AM
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And I hear you and I believe you. I've technically lost my virginity even though I haven't really penetrated a woman and I have yet to really find a compatible partner but I do feel like I'm running out of time to actually learn and be able to please my future partner. I just think it's disingenuous to tell young men that they shouldn't worry about it when clearly it should be a wary
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:28 AM
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I grew up very religious and I might have been one of those kids that would have been stifled if I had stayed under my religious mom too much but thank God I had some rebellion in me as a kid. I still think sex should be sacred and I still think both men and women shouldn't be having it too much with too many people. I don't believe like any religious standard based off of men and women though
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:27 AM
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I know a lot of girls don't care but a large number still do and I'm not saying that just to argue with you. I'm pretty chill and I'm a pretty social guy and I don't usually let stuff get to me easily but something that always perplexed me was for the fact that whenever I was still acting cool as a virgin the girl always prove me right. You can act as cool and common collected and unbothered by your virginity as a guy all you want but that's not really going to make another girl forget about it …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:26 AM
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Like something that put me in a bad spot was for the fact that I still did the common advice and still had a life even though my ex-girlfriend cheated me out of losing my virginity. And I was thinking I was still okay because I will still being confident and having friends but it still felt like a lot of girls were looking at you funny because you haven't lost it at. And this was at age 17 18 19 20 and these are all ages where it's supposed to be normal for you to still be learning but clearly f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:25 AM
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You wouldn't feel a little bit cheated or sad for the fact that you basically been locked out of doing something because you have not done it? I think this is probably the premier double standard between men and women right now because our society says it's opening up more for people and it is but this is probably one of the last bastions of sexism that men have to deal with is for the fact that they too are judge based off of who they slept with and who they haven't
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:24 AM
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I guess it's because having a virgin girl would be a little bit easier because you're not having to put pressure on yourself. And I guess virgin men obsess over it because it's been proven that it will make them look bad and will work against them with women even when it shouldn't
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:23 AM
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And I have to play Devil's Advocate because every guy wishes it was that easy.. let's say you still did all of that normal stuff like having family and friends and basically a life, and girls still rejected you for the virginity. You know you're social and you know you're not weird and you know that you are normal but for some reason the virginity still stops the girls from accepting you I feel like I could have lost my virginity a little bit earlier if I lied about it instead of acting all conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:22 AM
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I will say I've been on the opposite so I understand what you're saying but I find it crazy that so many girls will project reasons why a guy is still a virgin when he could be completely normal. And I would argue the stigma of being a virgin it's what makes it worse because look at how many Hoops of Virgin would have to go through even though he really doesn't have to
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:20 AM
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Doing all that does not make someone be more accepting of you though and once again you can be as confident as well rounded as you like but that does not mean someone's going to be forgiving of your virginity It's a double standard and it's a catch-22 because even if you did not feel bad about it a lot of girls still will use it against you and you should have the right to feel bad about this double standard because it doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:19 AM
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As a man who was arched to continuously got rejected because of the virginity I can't help but feel like this is a little intellectually dishonest. You could be the best guy but if a girl still rejects you because of your virginity then all your other traits did not matter
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:38 AM
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Acting like a dude bro basically. I'm a pretty big deal but I have made a lot of good friendships and I spent a lot of potential women just by being me and it still even surprises me. I still feel like a lot of red pill concepts are true for a lot of women but I do believe that whatever perception a woman has on an individual man does play A Part. Like woman a probably won't do you as Alpha for X Y and Z reasons, but woman B May see you as Alpha for XYZ reasons My super athletic cousin is curren…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 07:14 PM
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I have to and I have witnessed it in other relationships but as a guy you just don't know which girl is going to be turned off by it or not
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 07:11 PM
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My point is we are at the stage where average girls think that they are somehow better than average men but that does not make sense and that kind of proves that women are hypergamous because if you guys constantly want someone who's better even though you aren't then of course a lot of guys are going to notice that It could be considered a privilege that a woman in the lower economic bracket and easily get out of it just by marrying a man who's richer because a man can't do the same the opposit…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:52 AM
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Except men don't really get a payment for children And any man who's trying to please a woman before him to tell you that it can backfire Clearly the single right for women having priests because of these crazy standards which does not make sense giving our current Society because of women are more equal than ever then why do they still want traditional outcomes for men
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:51 AM
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Why do you keep assuming the guy doesn't care about her as a person? In my opinion I don't think it matters how or when it's done because I don't think most mentally healthy people are measuring people's lives by how much trauma they're dumping. I would never tell someone that they're just dumping themselves on me if they come to me with something because I've been on both sides. Also I could be the most traumatized person ever but I can still be a healthy partner as anyone who's been through tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:49 AM
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Y'all choose who gets to have sex which is why it's crazy to think that men and women are equal and that if men just acted like women and had standards like women and everything will be okay. But that's why because men and women aren't the same A woman can be at any socioeconomic level and still find love sex and romance but my man I still have some type of value in order to have sex. If we're talking about casual sex then it does not make sense to why a guy has to earn so much money or outperfo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:42 AM
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I don't understand what you're trying to prove to me but I replied with women trauma dumped more because of this miss that women are the only ones who ever have information just dumped on them because the last four girls I've interacted with did just that to me. Most of y'all standards are delusional because most of y'all can't meet your own standards and most people won't either. It doesn't make sense for a girls want a guy that makes $80,000 especially if they're both 24 because that's just un…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:13 AM
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Us raising our standards won't do anything because it's not like a bunch of women are going to be falling over just because you raise your standards
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:11 AM
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So you're a hypocrite?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:29 AM
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And yet you keep replying to me which tells me you have some type of stake in this
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:28 AM
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Nobody said they were blaming women and now you're just projecting and putting words in my mouth
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:25 AM
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The way you are talking does not strike me as someone who really does care either because once again if you guys do not care about anybody else then why should guys give a damn about your problems
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:26 AM
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Throughout history so many black men have been victimized and put in jail because they refused as predatory because of mixture of them being men and black
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:26 AM
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Did you even read my reply did you even
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:25 AM
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Respect and looked at with the benefit of the doubt it's not about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:24 AM
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I understand what you're saying but my point is you can't expect men to care about how women feel if there's no reciprocation You say women don't know XYZ about the person that's the problem because you can't just assume or judge a person and then expect them to treat you with Grace in return
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:24 AM
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For years it's been an almost Open Secret of just how much pedophilia was rampant in the black community on black boys via black women and thank God my mom was a type of woman to not even let that type of thing go on because I had tons of older women trying to come at me when I was teenager You can complain and be all types of stuff and still get played as I clearly hate all this feminist stuff yet I have had three girlfriends and have had more success getting laid in the last 2 years that I eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:53 PM
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And yes I'm more concerned about that because I was a black boy who did nothing wrong yet I had to face the front of so many people's anger because of what another older man did and it's not right
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:49 PM
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Straight up I had an aunt and uncle when I was a kid who would do nothing but torment me and destroyed my self-esteem so miss me with that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:48 PM
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I've seen first and silence rape and sexual assault by black women so what is your point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:48 PM
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I really believe most women don't have empathy Northern maturity to realize that they perpetuate all these storms that they say they hate and at the same time, the same stigma they say is sex is worse than is the same one that they will use to protect themselves which is the women are wonderful effect It's crazy as a black man sitting and listening to a privilege black woman talk about how a precious when historically speaking I should be more afraid of being around her because it's her word ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:39 PM
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As a black man I have a problem with it because it has real long-lasting effects on young boys whose maturity is nowhere near at the level to understand all this stuff That stuff happens to all types of people all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:38 PM
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Well considering that we all know that if a man is not acting in traditional ways he gets made fun of because it's the same reasoning on why men have sex explores women is because they view that women are acting right for their gender and it goes both ways. And women are a big part of this because if every girl is still opening their legs for guys who have toxic masculinity then of course other guys aren't going to stop that behavior because it's still being rewarded Until our society is fully r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:20 PM
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But see as a man I question how many women actually do about to understand how to wait it because just as men have done or do things that could be covert or overt when it comes to sexism, the same thing goes for how women have historically viewed men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:19 PM
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Girls will try to save this as a way to wipe away guys complaints because it's too easy just to say that your problem is that you don't have a nice support system when half the people who say that have no idea of what they're talking about. I will hate for my fellow man to be suspicious about other men because it has a black man I know that a lot of damage can come from just viewing man as inherently predatory
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:03 PM
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I agree with you as I identify as a nice guy and I'm surprised that my recent success but I also old enough to remember seeing so many girls scream about toxic masculinity yet continuously choose those guys when guys who would most definitely understand their experience for picked over And girls will always make up some type of trait in their head to why they pick that guy but we need to really get over the caricature that nice guys are somehow wimpy or any other negative connotation because for…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:56 PM
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I think the point is that most nice guys do have other things but they still get passed over for a guy who girls say is toxic and so many of us guys see it so much that it's kind of hard not to think the other way
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:37 PM
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I hate to pseudoscience stuff just as much as the next guy but I'm also a man and from point Jordan Peterson is at least saying stuff that makes more sense than left wing stuff because it's still operates in reality. These women or 2022 women and that has no bearing on their success with men but men have no choice but to act like 1950s men because even though they can be a 2022 man they are going to have way less success
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:32 PM
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It's not that we believe women are responsible but feels like a lot of women are full of BS because they're the first one saying that men should be more emotionally open which means the emotions that aren't too Savory either but it seems like really nothing has changed in the way of gender roles because the expectations are still largely the same The biggest gripe I have with this is that women still expect men to care so much about their issues but it seems like you guys won't even give a slive…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:29 PM
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The mainstream does not give out good advice to young men either
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:21 PM
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Women were a protected class for most of History because a lot of what we will call rice today came with a lot of responsibilities hence that's why most people in general were considered under glass One group goes through something does not mean another doesn't
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:26 PM
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Women are the ones who trauma dump the most as I don't think I've met a girl who did not open up with some type of crazy dark backstory upon meeting her
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:24 PM
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I'm walki,walking, proof you can be a weirdo lone wolf and get love.....or not I've been the life of the party and had no success. I've been a mental health nightmare and have had more success being a loner. I've also experienced the opposite A lotnof girls are not really aware of how how view this A lot of girls want to Tribute the lack of friends too why guys have no success but that's because alot girls think ther MUST be something morally wrong with a guy who has no success.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:17 AM
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It's hypergamy. And I have witnessed both sides of it. One day in an art project I was literally the only man if it's amazing how many girls will openly flirt with you but I bet if I was in more mixed company I would not have had as much attention I think a lot of girls have adjust World fallacy with thinking that if a guy is sexually unsuccessful then there must be something horribly and morally wrong with him which is ironically the same sex as fuel that a lot of men will use against women Lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:04 AM
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But what I'm saying is your social group has no bearing on your success with women anyway because how many guys have had tons of friends but still have long dry spells
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:57 AM
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You can potentially meet people that way but girls are going to have it easier in all types of social fronts so it does not surprise me that so many girls think this because girls can literally be in any type of social environment and still have romantic success because they're not the ones actively pursuing I'm an artist and I have been in art classes with other women who are the shyest women ever but they still have friends and boyfriends because they were girls
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:56 AM
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I agree completely but that's really does not prove me wrong and it actually kind of makes my point stronger. It has nothing to do with your friend group or social network as a man but how much value you can get yourself or at least be perceived as such Also having high status friends has nothing to do with it because a lot of the girls will say the guys don't have any friends at all but that's just not true and it's definitely not the reason why guys are more lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:55 AM
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More people are going to be trusting to a woman because they're not viewed as predatory or creepy or dangerous It is much easier making all types of social connections when so many barriers are not in front of you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:53 AM
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Because Society has an integral bias for women so women have less barriers for socializing. Love dating and romance however or a different ball game because you're not looking for the same or expecting the same that you would from a friendship Basically a man can be off himself and happy and social when he is around friends because he's not being judged based off what he can offer but when it comes to attracting a woman it's different I have to act in a certain way and do X Y and z to be looked …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:52 AM
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What I mean is that a lot of girls rightfully so can point out so many ways society disadvantages them, whether it be covert or overt but whenever a man points out how he is disadvantage similar ways a lot of the girls will wave it away and won't hide that they don't care about it. But that's the hypocrisy and why so many men don't call themselves feminists because Feminism since it's for men and women and is trying to break down toxic Norms that harm men but it really only perpetuates them this…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:39 AM
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Your social classes even more something that is contentious because just because you're born in a high social class doesn't really mean you did anything to deserve being in it. Like how many women throughout history were able to marry up the social ladder just because they were women. Their brothers could not really afford to realistically do the same thing even though they both came from lower classes. You're kind of proving my point about the whole inequalities when it comes to dating and the …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:35 AM
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I just made a couple of threads on this page about the invisible privilege and I don't think a lot of women are really aware of it which is ironic because they're the first to point out any perceived privilege a man may have but not realizing that it works I'm pretty extroverted too but I was never going to fool myself into thinking that just because I was extroverted that was going to give me a lot of attention The most extroverted male could still have less success with women than a shy girl w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:33 AM
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And this mindset is why so many people lack empathy because I do understand that individual people can't expect problems but you would think that a lot of women would at least offer a little bit more empathy especially since they expect mountains of it from men about their own personal issues being women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:22 AM
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Throughout most of History men slew metaphorical Dragons Not only for social acceptance as those were right of passengers back then but so much of scientific research seems to prove that it is true that women seem to be attracted to things that register as confident or competence or status If we are outright comparing men to women then you would think more average men and women would get together but you see so much mixed match on both sides Like if men selected women how women selected men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 08:35 PM
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I agree completely but more so is that every woman still perceives men their attracted to to want to add traditional and I don't think a lot of women realize they're doing it. Like I've been on dates to where a girl will talk about all the dude she slept with but then go on to say that how I should judge her for how many dude she slept with. The same girl will still Judge Me based off of what money I have or don't have or how many girls I've slept with or haven't slept with I'm not allowed to ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:03 PM
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It just seems like putting on too much an act especially when so much of masculinity is fickle. If I beat up 100 people today a lot of people will praise me but the same people will make fun of me if I bust out crying for whatever reason. I can literally be a Navy SEAL but if I dare complain or cry about hardships I went through, I am looked at this weaker and not masculine even though I did a very masculine thing not so long before the emasculation starts So I guess to answer your question I kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:01 PM
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And I'm telling you as a black leftist male a lot of leftist really don't follow what they preach and it's too easy to think yourself open-minded and like this until you see yourself in the third person. Also not everybody is open-minded and has an openly emotional left leaning dude so many of my experiences have taught me that specially when it came to dating. You start to think about what girls really say and want when you are the walking definition of everything they say they want but they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 12:59 PM
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That's because we're not women and women can believe that sex is a bonus and that they should be more open and free thus women don't face the consequences of doing that sexually. A man who acts this way can be happy and have friends as I have done it but something that came as a huge reality to me was for the fact that I kept getting older and still was getting rejected for the guys who were literally the walking epitome of toxic masculinity. The biggest proponents of toxic masculinity are women…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 12:52 PM
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It's a hidden privilege in a lot of girls aren't aware of and that's what I'm trying to get through to everybody. Being able to be in a low status position yourself but to be able to still hold out and Passover people in your same bracket is a privilege. I've always argued that's why women were never asked competent in certain areas or as well ranged as men at certain things because they really don't have to be because women don't have to be impressive to be attractive. Men still have to be oppr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 12:50 PM
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You basically just prove my point by saying that you don't want a man who's broke because you don't want to suffer Financial disabilities and I understand it but at the same time it's like you're trying to say it without seeming like you don't hold yourself to the standard but you're literally perpetuating it. Because of the fire Society already had for women is the only reason why feminism took off and I get tired of people saying it's because women worked for it when it's only because society …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 12:47 PM
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But they are and that's the crazy thing about nowadays is that if a man does back intoxic ways he will have more success and that's what blows feminism out of the water Go ask any man whether or not a girl like him better if he was acting like a male feminist versus acting like a douche and see what he says
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 12:45 PM
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And men still do the yard work in the housework and pay most of the bills and pay for expenses and fix utilities and Tools around the house Believe me I still live on my parents but I was the oldest boy out of a single mother household so I kind of had no choice but to take on their role at a young age and there was so many stuff my mom would not be able to get done if I was not around and I'm pretty sure it's the same for most women whether they're living with a boyfriend or brother or father W…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 12:43 PM
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Yes it is their fault because they do not follow what they preach and by definition if you're only trying to equalize one side then you're not following what you believe in
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 12:41 PM
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As I said before women did not do much work because Society was already going to accept this type of thing from women because ironically Society places women on a pedestal before and after feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 12:40 PM
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Once again I know it's not every woman that's like this but there are still so many women that still expect traditional Behavior out of men like paying for everything and it's crazy because you would think that would have changed in our modern times. The same girls who would like to think themselves Progressive and independent will still expect the man to pay for everything. I went on a date with a girl who was married and looking back I glad I dodge that bullet but this woman was 30 plus years …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:49 AM
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And the crazy thing is I believe you because I have dated both sides of women so I know they're not every girl is like that but so much of our culture is still steeped in a lot of expecting old toxic norms for men and a lot of girls are so unaware that they perpetuated it. If you really are tuned to this type of thing and if you are social and can get people talking they will reveal it and even the most Progressive of people will say something that would be considered sexist if it was applied to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:46 AM
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The fact that these girls can be non-traditional but still date normally is the hidden privilege because their male counterpart really can't do the same unless he's very lucky or he's just that physically attractive, like I said before I'm surprised that I've had as much success as I had recently because I'm nowhere near as healthy mentally as I was in the past but given all the advice that's given I should have had more success in the past because I was much more responsible and out really happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:44 AM
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It's not that men's life purpose comes from women is for the fact that they'll still anti-capitalist blue hair obese tattoo feminist can still very much find a boyfriend or engage in sex without really having to change their personality or the relief system or act in a certain way that's not their true self. I honestly believe the only reason why I have as much success as I do is because I'm conventionally attractive and I'm still sociable but if I was not attractive I probably would have had no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:42 AM
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Ironically a lot of early feminists were hyper races because black men were just about to get the vote in a lot of white women saw that as competition for them to get extra privileges because they view themselves as more Superior for being white Feminism did a lot of good things but nowadays it's mainly marketed towards middle-aged Suburban white women which is by definition the most protected and privileged group of people in history I find it funny as a black man it's so many well-off middle c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:28 AM
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Everybody contributes toxic masculinity and also another point of contention is that a lot of girls seem to think that they are progressive and open-minded but they really aren't And believe me it wasn't my dad forcing me into some crazy gender role it was my mom growing up
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:26 AM
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Because clearly being a traditional minded man not only makes your life better because people still perceive men to act that way but a lot of women are knowingly still are attracted to those old styles of masculinity and I would argue that's why you don't see men for going them as much because men still want to find relationships and sex I'm complete agreement with you but imagine my surprise as a young man when you are literally being rejected because you are not outwardly acting hypermasculine…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:24 AM
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The entire reason why you guys can be non-traditional is because ironically the same sexist attitudes that think women are emotional and vulnerable are the same reasons why women can pick and choose when not to because you guys aren't judged by the same standards of emotions and masculinity Is not that it's about sex is for the fact that if I want sex I still have to perform too old gender norms and ironically I would be the same type of guy so many girls say they hate because I would be perpetu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:22 AM
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It's because I'm a gigantic football player looking dude while being an artist is why I think a lot of what girls say is BS because I'm a walking example of how a lot of girls will say they want a certain type of man but in reality they don't go after Girls really do not want men that are emotionally open or vulnerable or emotionally intelligent despite them saying they love guys like that because of that was true then so many guys wouldn't have problems especially if the guys emote in front of …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:18 AM
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My point is that I think a lot of girls are dishonest to the point where it drives a lot of men crazy because men obviously see the truth in front of their eyes because they're the ones dating the women but the girls will say something different and I really do believe a lot of girls try to think themselves open-minded but really aren't just to save face. Basically women will not be honest about the sexual Market because it will fly in the face of everything feminism is about
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:17 AM
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It's not your fault per se but you guys do play a role in the craziness because a lot of girls are very critical when it comes to this kind of thing and a little bit dishonest because I believe more girls would rather make it seem like they're more open-minded then they really are
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:14 AM
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The reason why those men are getting rejected is because they're not following the gender role that would be attractive for them and the irony is feminist on the main one saying that they should forgo gender roles but do the same women except men don't conform I believe women when they say they're just as horny as men but the difference is they don't really have to look around or do as much to get it like men do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:13 AM
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It's because many men who don't fit into the traditional Norm will struggle for sex because women are still attracted to the traditionalism so it's kind of like there's no choice unless you want to be alone forever I'm a walking example of not conforming two modern masculinity. It can be very beneficial in some areas especially for me since I'm an artist, but when it came to success with women I just can't say because they always take the traditional guy over me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:00 AM
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For what you suggest at least maybe 35% maybe into a guy that has a different masculinity but my life experience is tell me that even the most Progressive girls still expect them to be traditional
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:57 AM
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That's the sad and unfair part Girls don't need to be traditional for anything anymore Meanwhile men are STILL expected to be traditional and a lot of women don't realize they still expect this. Yet if you expect anything traditional from them you'll be called a bigoted sexist
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:56 AM
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It's only pathetic because men have to do it, because if this was the gender reversal if you wouldn't be calling a woman pathetic
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:51 AM
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The problem I have with this reason is for the fact that if you go back and ask these feminate themselves about how or if they can name one societal problem then go through, then they will probably act like you were crazy or that men were super privileged when that's just not the case especially back then My biggest problem with feminism isn't that it's right or wrong it's for the fact that so many self-proclaimed feminists really don't follow what they preach. It's just crazy to me that so many…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 01:19 AM
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Though not as extreme my kind of get the gist of that as well To sum it up, modern women have the privilege to choose whether or not they want to live their life as traditional or modern and everything in between it and to even further that power, there's no giant societal penalty for choosing either side. Basically women can be like a 1950s housewife or a 2022 feminist. But you expect them to act like either would be horrible of you But that same privilege is not true for men and it would not m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 05:38 PM
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Thank you so much for acknowledging and admitting this type of thing because so many girls want to feel right more than actually looking at the truth and it hurts everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:28 PM
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Men's attraction isn't looked at the same as a woman's though so a woman could be physically attractive but offer nothing else and a man could be ugly as hell but still offer all the necessities of life
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 08:55 PM
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That's just manipulating regular social stuff and everybody can do it anyway Everything you mentioned is what happens to me on the regular and that's because I'm a minority. You know because of my perceived Alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:44 AM
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And yet so many people who do pretend seem to succeed because of how they are perceived and I think perception is key here How someone else perceives you has little to be with you so I am asking someone does receive you as an Outlook that they are going to receive it as such even if you don't have the traits And I would argue the opposite too and that you could be the most leadership based alpha male but if no one recognized you with such or if no one is receiving you as such then will you reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:34 AM
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That sounds more like a manipulator Hell if that was truth and I would be out of just because I'm that good in Persuasion but I still don't categorize myself as that. I'm a history buff and when I hear my friends talk about conquerors in history as if they were these crazy gig a chance I kind of laugh because even though he's been accomplished great things they still needed help and support from the people around them Why do you think Genghis Khan really could just go across Eurasia and her with…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:21 AM
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I hear you and I believe you Like I said before I know that's not every girl and I would even argue most girls really aren't like that and the ones who are are probably adhere to peer person I just recently turned down a girl for like the fifth time who has a boyfriend because even though they were attractive and attracted to me. I feel so wrong and gross having sex under these conditions because I would be contributing to infidelity I have so many friends of both genders tell me that it should …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:18 AM
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But once again all this kind of proves my point because here comes the man who literally is probably in the top percent and even he got rejected off of something trivial Now I do understand what you say when it comes to the variety and diversity of what is attractive and who was attracted to it. But once again I feel like this flies in the face in both sides of the debates If it was true that girls just like emotionally calm rational and easygoing men than most men wouldn't have problems. If it …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:10 AM
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No one's telling you to feel bad for say but I do think it is very hypocritical and telling especially nowadays where we've made everything social not only a competition but now we point out every single social ill that is conscious or subconscious And you're kind of proven me right on one right now because even though I understand where you're coming from You're still basically giving me the air of just not caring about these dudes. And more specifically their problems and the problem with that…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:06 AM
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That's what I mean and it's easy for you to say because you're not in that position but to the guy that is in that position, there's really nothing else he can do but that because like I said before not every girl is as open like you You can still very much view sex the way you say it and still visit a prostitute. Especially if it's to gain more experience and just that experience If you were one of those more sexually experienced women and you came across a virgin dude would you still hold the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:03 AM
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But if that was true that it would be true. In my opinion if a guy gets scared of me he's not really an alpha in my own opinion or at least in the way Reddit thinks Also ironically because I am such a big masculine looking guy but open emotionally, I've had so many dudes that you would describe his Alpha open up to me because they feel that comfortable around me I know so many men would fit the category is Alpha but don't get any respect from men or play from women just because people and life a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:58 AM

I get that but I feel like it all goes hand in hand because dating is a very social thing and there are so many social nuances
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:52 AM
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It's not that he treats it trivially but it's not like every girl is as open as you either My First Girlfriend basically made me wait when we were both first and then later cheated on me and it wasn't until years later where I properly lost it. And every girl in between my first girlfriend and the woman I lost it to was patient about my virginity. And even though a lot of girls say it depends on how the guy feels about it, anlot of girls still found it to be unattractive Even if I was open and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:52 AM
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Theoretically let's say that you met your love of your life but he was a virgin because of missed opportunities Would you reject him for that fact? And even further. Would you reject him if he stated that he went to prostitutes to get more experience so that he completes his future woman. I feel like this is where so many conundrums happen because so many girls say that they don't like this but how many same girls would accept the guy who cannot get sex to normal way
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:44 AM

Unfortunately sir Race Matters like every other social category because we are social creatures Of course we shouldn't concern ourselves about crazy opinions regarding race but you be foolish to think that we somehow live in a world where it's not a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:40 AM
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Awkwardness is going to be perceived that way regardless if a guy actually is or not and I have so many experiences of acting normal but some people still thinking you're weird or awkward because you don't feel whatever definition of normal And no one saying you need a handout your vagina to these men but acting carelessly cruel is really unnecessary and treatment goes both ways and too many women expect men to somehow understand and empathize with their problems but women can't even give the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:22 AM
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I don't understand why you guys wouldn't be kind to most people including socially awkward people because if I can do it to socially awkward people of all genders that you can too Acting super cruel in ostracizing them even more is not going to make them any less awkward and social awkwardness does not equal being socially incompetent I'm the most outgoing person I know and even some days I feel like I want to be quiet but every time I act like that people think something's wrong with me because…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:21 AM
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Ironically it's really not that different especially nowadays whether it's soft or hardcore or or if it's implied or not because someone can easily say you liking pretty boys as creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:20 AM
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I don't really think p*** is a measurement of someone's awkwardness or craziness because I've had two girlfriends who felt it way too easy and open to share their p*** preferences with me and I didn't think it was weird outside of a little bit surprising
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 01:19 AM
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I'm a black Southerner who has been to other countries and I know many people of all Races from this region who have done the same
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 05:02 PM
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More women having incentive to get a from the government because it's easier than working more or getting a normal job. What I'm saying is our culture gives way more bailouts to women who make horrible mistakes than they do to men because of those same affirmation gender differences That's why you have more homeless men than women because Society is not going to let a woman go homeless if they can't help it and it seems to be ingrained in all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:41 PM
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You should have more respect for them because most people don't want to do those jobs and those same jobs give a lot of us normal people a lot of the Privileges we have in our modern societies Like next time when you're getting gas think about how many men have probably worked in oil rigs or refineries or in Machinery to make that happen
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:40 PM
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A man could have all that stuff and still end up by himself because of said woman and her pickiness And because of said gender differences men cannot be fixed because if they were they were most likely end up alone
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:25 PM
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Well now we have to add on more stuff because that same man you seem to think goes home on Leisure Time has to do yard work and housework and tend to children because I don't know a man who does not just come home and just sits I work two jobs and even I still have to do stuff around my house because I live with my grand parents and they're not physically able but I would never be so arrogant as to call that somehow extra work or emotional labor because that just sounds ignorant. Women still hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:22 PM
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Like I said before I technically should have more fear walking behind you than you walking behind me because all the text is for you to say X Y and Z then it's my word versus yours
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:07 PM
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Most men aren't rapists and most men aren't going to hurt the woman and if a man is going to do so it's the small percentage of men and it's crazy that we're expected to somehow take blame or to police our Behavior because of a few men As a black man I can't help but feel like a lot of this rhetoric is generally familiar to a lot of the rhetoric that was imposed on black men for most of American history. Because black men wear a different race and combined that would be men or seen as hyper masc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:58 PM
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Prove to me how they don't
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:56 PM
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And it's only a small minority of men that are doing good so there really is no logic to it even though I try to empathize but as I get older I'm starting to lose my empathy for women because you guys don't offer the same
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:51 PM
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More and more people are online now and gender roles while breaking down aren't really breaking down in a benefit of men either so while men are still expected to act like 1950s men, their female counterparts can have the privilege of choosing whether or not they want to be modern or traditional and you can see why they're such a mix-up and why more men are more lonely because if you compound this with women's pickiness. And of course you're going to have more men who are lonely. Even in our mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:50 PM
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That PhD graduate from Yale has his place in society and that hillbilly redneck you keep talking about does the jobs that most people would not do and those jobs are the same jobs that keep our modern mechanized and technologically advanced societies running And it is a privilege to think yourself above it all when you are getting food out of the store or gas into your car or even just walking through a building that was built by so many of those same people you swear are just Hillbillies. Your …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:44 PM
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And you guys do the same thing to Men Who either sleep with too many women or who don't sleep with any woman
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:42 PM
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You sound ignorant as hell
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:03 PM
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I live in urban area and this is still pretty much the norm I know a woman who was married and still gets money for her drug habit from both her parents and her husband And it's very telling because we in our society love screaming about how we're more open tolerant but yet you use the words like rural Backwater to describe a place which lets me know that you really aren't open or tolerant
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:48 PM
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And having a women in power does not do any difference because history shows the same women in power do the same thing their husbands uncles fathers do
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:43 PM
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Do you give a f*** about society's problems outside of your gender? Believe me most men care but most men realistically can't do anything because it's not like we can just keep eyes over every single man nor should we be expected to do so You're not going to convince me, a black man that I should be too wary or care too much about this thing because historically I have been at the mercy of this type of thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:43 PM
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Loneliness is a male issue
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:35 PM
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Whenever Society talks about problems that's playing men too many women want to play the comparison game and mention something that affects them which is so true when it comes to the failures of feminism because we can only mention a man's problems or his role in society only if it's benefitting someone outside of him especially if it's a woman We should be able to talk about men's issues without having to compare it to women's and without the entire discussion stopping while talking about that …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:18 PM
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You're not proving anything wrong and you keep doubling down on the hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:15 PM
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Most men who are raped are in the minority and most rapes are committed by a rapist who is a multiple time offender You cannot put this bonus on most men especially concerning different races of men because it's just a bad look historically I'm a black man when I was younger I had to arm myself with these statistics because black men are looked at as most predatory and leave the nation in exoneration rates If a woman is to be hurt or raped it's most likely going to be by someone close to her lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:15 PM
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This is a very low hanging stupid question but if it's in because too many girls are hypocritical without knowing it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:05 PM
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And I get that but for the most part most men aren't forcing the prostitution nor are they going to be aware of which girls are in it for that and I'm no stranger to this because my ex-girlfriend was sold off into sex slavery by her mother The point is girls are the first ones talking about how sexy positive but it's clear they only need four girls because anytime any man is mentioned into this equation is always a pair of shaming or an air of talking about the exploitation Keep in mind the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:04 PM
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Not true. Men do take more risk because it's expected and and will not get anything if they did not but there's no guarantee that your community will respect you or pay you back for it and this entire subredded and our modern society is proof. Men do not get the same respect for doing the same things they did in 1950 that they are doing today I know too many men who are working hard and dangerous jobs that women will not go here and the same women are trying benefits at home which is not a bad t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:53 AM
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Men feel very much have to earn their keep in this probably will not change in our lifetime
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:51 AM
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Most women in my area still very much depend on the husbands and their families of money lotion that girls are just now these boss women needs to stop because you can't think yourself of being the boss and yet get help which is historically what Society has done for women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:46 AM
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Women in general possessed the highest debt in the country and spend the most
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:45 AM
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Privileges are invisible to those who have it and ironically they're trying to make it sound like women are going through something but everything you listed is a privilege The fact that you can sit out of society because of a child is a privilege in a way. Being inspected to be a Workhorse and it being mostly thankless is not a privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:44 AM
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I think it's wider point is yes there are double standards but only one side really is benefiting from the double standards only one side is even being heard when they mentioned the double standard Women are the ones crusading about men being more open and man being more diverse in their sexuality but like he said above if a man is coded with acting homosexual than the woman is disgusted even though she's the same person who loves screaming about how people need to be more tolerant
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:36 AM
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It's because you guys seem so ready to mention any disadvantage women have but you are completely Blinded By Any disadvantage of man may have
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:33 AM
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Dude I get it but you're feeding a dead horse because the double standard also goes the other way because the same girls who scream about sex positivity do not mean it for men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:32 AM
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And you women are exactly the same type that will have you love sex positivity but will hate on and make fun of a man who uses these services Mental gymnastics hard at work for these women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 11:30 AM
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That's because women are usually overly picked and that's what gets in their way
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 11:34 PM
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But you see the Catch 22 is most girls won't give a guy who has an experience a chance anyway You could be the most confident and established man ever at whatever young age where it's normal to be a virgin but if no girl around you is open to sleeping with you because of said virginity then what can you do? Like everything else with manhood it seems to be very performative and pickled because, we say we have to earn approval somehow to get this type of thing but clearly that's not always 100% ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:23 PM
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My point is most girls are delusional when it comes to where they think theyvstand in the sexual market
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:22 PM
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It goes both ways but women by the most part seem to really want men to care It's literally in every advertisement and every piece of media that is geared towards Society coddling women Do you see the double standard now
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:19 PM
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I'm not lying to women's struggles but because I understand them is why I can't really empathize it more because I doubt women really understand a man struggle nor do I really think you guys even want to understand Girls will have a way easier to love and romance and I just can't believe we are still debating something like that You guys betray yourself taking guys or somehow ignorant and don't think about a woman's life but it's clear you guys don't think about ours
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:15 PM
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Women perpetuate the problem the most when it comes to guy sticking girls are men with vaginas because that's what feminism has brought us
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 10:13 PM
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I'll be the first to say it's not every girl but you got to remember culture is very strong and peer pressure is very strong I don't doubt a lot of girls would make fun of Virgin dudes even though they themselves hate it because it's easier to be a part of the crowd that's making fun of people than it is to be the one standing up to them That's why so many people don't like the woke people because they really aren't practicing what they preach and it's more so done out of fear of not being socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:13 PM
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It's not unique because I have seen and met so many women who act like this and I'm not the only guy who has More women would be homeless if they were born men though because a lot of women get a lot of benefits and privileges in society and privileges are invisible to those who have it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:07 PM
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It's not just the people you hang out with but you notice it in the wider culture I really don't think most young women are really there forgiving of most inexperienced young men otherwise you wouldn't have entire people of both genders making fun of them and using them as a measuring stick of masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:07 PM
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That's the thing if you can find a good one they can actually teach you how to do this because keep in mind a lot of young women aren't really graceful or patient with a lot of men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:06 PM
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My ex-girlfriend was a sex worker and she was filled with so many insecurities
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:05 PM
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But see you don't really know that because you're looking at it from this weird standpoint instead of looking at it from the male viewpoint I bet the same dude told you that he was a virgin you would probably be just as turned off and run away still
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:04 PM
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Not every man gets a willing and understanding and trusting partner because I didn't and I did not have any crazy p*** expectations
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:03 PM
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But it would be hypocritical and unfair and especially nowadays it's hard not to see those lyrics hypocrisies and I think our culture should probably do a little bit more on actually talking about that because once again why should I care about her flight and her problems when she doesn't give a damn about mine
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:01 PM
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Both men and women use people for sex all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:01 PM
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Every single time I have had any sexual contact with a woman I always thought to myself how I could have basically stayed home
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 01:56 PM
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I actually agree with him because beauty is in the eyes of Beholder and I don't doubt that a lot of women would climax better with a man they actually did find out attractive because I'm basically still a Perma virgin and I made a woman come three times without even penetrating her. But I honestly think that's because this woman in particular was very attracted to me and thus it didn't take much to get her off It's crazy because girls can easily fix this problem by actually communicating but a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 01:54 PM
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This girl will still get mountains of more attention than the equivalent guy will She will still have way more opportunities for sex loving dating than the equivalent guy What I'm saying is a lot of girls have a p**** pass or in a visible privilege especially when it comes to the game of dating in life I rejected her because I kind of am fascinated by this thing anyway and when you see it you can't unsee it. If this girl acted like this now then can I be open around this girl? If I get with this…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:36 AM
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If everything you're saying is true though why am I having so much more success when I'm literally at my worst When I was at my best and most responsible I literally got to know attention though I was not looking as much as I was back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:33 AM
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Women are naturally hypergamous and that's kind of the situation what is right now because you have even trashed and average women now thinking they are above average men because they can sleep with men that are at the higher echelons of society A super buff jock lawyer can easily sleep with a girl who's a three because he has that power to do so. But he's not going to marry her or take her seriously in a relationship So the girl who is a three now thinks she is now a 10 because a male 10 slept …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:32 AM
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So you're thinking of you of sex but I'm talking about literally everything that goes with it and around it A woman acting nervous or excited around a guy is not seen as weird or creepy If you are with a guy in your adverse to having sex with him yet it's seen it's completely understandable. If a guy was in a relationship with a girl and he wanted to be conservative with sex everybody will think he was weird or something was wrong with him or he was gay You do not have to actively make yourself …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:28 AM
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That's basically why I stopped hanging out with her because I went out on a date with this girl and at first glance it actually seemed like this girl kind of understood what guys go through. " why is it when a girl works at McDonald's she's on her come up but if a guy works at McDonald's he's a loser?" This girl literally said that to me on a date and I'm just thinking to myself wow she must be very open Meanwhile I look at her Facebook right after our date " I swear I can't stand with a broke d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:23 AM
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No but I'm a history buff and I do know especially back in older societies that this was considered a norm Especially if it was wartime where you could expect a bunch of young men dying before they could lose the virginity or get their first girlfriend or whatever If you look at the technical side of things I bet a lot of guys have a bunch of relationship and emotional skills but how will they ever get there if the virginity is stopping them I technically lost my virginity years ago if you could…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:16 AM
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Exactly and as a young man I kind of got the same thing through observation because I'm the son of two drug dealers so my family tried to instill blue pill beliefs but it just was not going to work on me because I'm literally the product of a red pill tragedy My mom dated my dad who was a drug dealer and so did both her sisters. Both her sisters went for men who were abusers and jailbirds and keep in mind we come from the black community so this is normal It's crazy witness to get growing up bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:12 AM
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But answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:59 AM
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Yes I know what happens at Bravo's and I know stranger to what can happen to either men or women when we mix in something like sex especially if it's exploitative One of my ex-girlfriends was trafficked by her own mother so I do understand what happens in the consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:59 AM
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I was getting over it by doing what other people mostly do which is go to school and work out and work and work on hobbies and visit friends My point in all of this is that young men have no resources to learn how to protect themselves from something like that because while we teach young men how to treat young girls we don't teach the opposite As then the reason why this girl said that to me was because this young girl is another example of how young girls are not taught how to treat their man …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:58 AM
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That's kind of exactly it because everything the opp posted kind of fits with modern women as well but modern women's greatest advantage and privilege is that they can be trash but still find men And when I say trash I really mean just normal but this post is kind of proving that point because literally you have average women thinking that they're above average men You literally have broke girls making Vlogs about how they hate broke dudes yet they themselves are broke. But that's female nature …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:54 AM
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Something that's crazy is that the advice I gave to other dudes and something to help me is to realize that literally girls our age are just as awkward stupid crazy broke and immature as we are but girls biggest advantages that they can be so many things that are unattractive but they have leverage because they are the ones who get to choose. It's crazy because I went out on a date with a girl who said that she hated broke dudes but then hypocrisy is crazy because this girl was living in her car…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:52 AM
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It doesn't matter and you asking that question kind of exasperate the same standard that I'm talking about Just recently in the last two years I've been able to heal more correctly and forget about all the abuse I went through with her but it does not matter how long ago it was We don't rush people when they are abused and it's not up to us to decide when and how they get over something
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:44 AM
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Basically because girls don't understand the guys life they find it crazy that so many guys still have problems with girls but that's because girls don't have to go out and approach and escalate with guys the same way we are expected to with girls
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:43 AM
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So many girls love talking about their sex lives and sexual empowerment but not realizing because they're girls they're the only ones who can really do this type of thing because girls are the ones who decide which guys they accept and have sex with Virgin shaming is in our culture in both men and women perpetuated and I find it crazy to so many people seem to think that these people don't exist I met a girl who revealed to me that if she met her husband while he was a virgin she would not go fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:41 AM
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Let's say if you're 30 years old and a 30 year old guy came up to you and he appeared normal but he told you he was a virgin. Would you see him as normal and give him that respect or would you see something is wrong with him and even more so would that be a marker against him dating you. Now keep in mind whatever answer you give is completely in your right and is acceptable but if it is no then you can understand why some guys feel like this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:39 AM
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I'm not talking about like young guys from like age 12 but I'm more so talking about guys that are 18 and just now starting their sexual lives Everything still within legal and reasonable bounds but I don't see a problem with an older man taking his 18 year old son or grandson to a brothel Or strip club or whatever equivalent
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:35 AM
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Listen to what you're saying because you're basically putting on some type of condition on how a person is supposed to feel and how they take something which is rule number one Like I said before if I went around screaming about how girls with a body count of two were all holes then I will be called Everything horrible I would argue the Virgin shaming is even worse because that shaming in itself Only worsens The Virgins standing because he's already looked at his unattractive for his virginity b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:34 AM
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If I was a man and I have little girl based off of her sexuality and Body Count I will be called a massage in his pic and the gender reversal of that is basically making fun of a guy for his lack of sexuality You see how one's taking more seriously in society while the other standard isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:21 AM
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Everything you said is correct but everything you said also does not justify it We're always talking about this type of thing and who was secretly pretty cool for X Y&T reason
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:18 AM
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I get everything you're saying but you're saying to my woman's standpoint and you can't tell me any different because I'm literally the man that has been through this Yes the prostitute is going to have sex for the money but the man can still learn the basics of sex especially if that prostitute is willing Personality has nothing to do with it because of that was true I wouldn't have the success I have with it now and I am still very much that crazy and nerdy and feminine dude that I was when I …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 03:00 AM
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I'll be honest after dating my ex-girlfriend I kind of wish I met you a prostitute because I think I would have saved myself a lot of headache
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:56 AM
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I'm not saying that you going to this unsupervised but most young men do not do well with girls because they lack the stuff that makes them attractive which takes many years to get like gaining status and wealth That applies to sex too because most girls don't want to sexually get an experienced man and he can't get experience without getting experience I bet you a good portion of 40 plus virgins are victims of that circumstance The older you get it looks more bad being a male virgin. Plus peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:54 AM
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It's not grooming it's preparing them to be able to escalate I find it's funny because the same girls who call all of this roaming and creepy are the same girls who would reject the dude if he wasn't up to their sexual standards If you met a guy that you like and he revealed that he was a virgin you would not take it well if you were probably thinking why he has not had sex No not every girl is like that of course but I've been in the situation to where I made a mistake of being vulnerable and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:52 AM
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Girls hate guys with no experience but don't realize that they are the reason why so many guys don't have experience because they're not realizing what it takes to get the girl
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:47 AM
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I say that as like a guidance thing as in why don't a lot more older men prepare the younger men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:46 AM
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Back in the day men will take their sons to brothels because of the exact same thing I'm talking about which is to give them an advantage experience so they don't have to be at a disadvantage when it came to women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:46 AM
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And your girls are the first to say that people need to enrich their sexual lives not realizing that they are the ones who have the privilege on doing that because they're the ones who get to choose who has it. Privileges are invisible to those who have it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:40 AM
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And get so many of my real life contradicts what you say because I had a girl who literally made fun of me for being a virgin while she was a virgin and I'm not alone in that specially if you read Subs like this and others like it Like I said a lot of young girls are very hypocritical when it comes to sexuality and it makes sense because that's their imperative so I'm not angry at that but what does frustrate me is for the fact that a lot of guys are blindsided by exactly this and are left with …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:37 AM
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Girls are the ones that will have to change this. I'm not saying to accept anybody who wants to sleep with you but girls are the biggest perpetuators of this type of thing I was virgin shamed by my own virgin girlfriend just to show you how deep this thing goes because I don't think a lot of girls really understand that they also play a role of this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:25 AM
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It's both. I don't want my son being prayed upon by an older woman but that older woman should also be just as much punished penalized and shamed just like a man would because if not then it's just more hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:24 AM

Exactly and that's why I always hated the idea that if you just ignore something or act like it's not there then it'll magically come to you but you see a lot of that similarities with the advice you give to young man I don't think it's for the fact that young man just want any woman but I think it's also for the fact that young man comes to realization especially when they start hitting the ages where virginity is looked at as something that goes against you That you can't just wait and be the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 12:45 AM
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When you are very lucky to be able to make it there but not everybody has the same life or job or circumstances I'm at my job right now my friend literally just walked out and he lives with his mom and he's married Their entire household has all the children with some type of boyfriend girlfriend or spouse They all pitching together for survival reasons and as time goes on in America it's getting really hard to move out on your own and I know this because I was able to move out on my own for a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 01:44 AM
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Because it is gendered is why you believe that. I know a 30-year-old married woman who spends all her husband's and her parents money on pills but no one would probably ever call her a mama's girl because she's a girl
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 01:30 AM
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No you wouldn't because then if you were a man you will be perceived as apparently more creepy or dangerous even when you're not When you are forced into the active role in dating you will realize this Most women don't ask out because they really don't have to and the ones who don't get any. They're either too unattractive or they just outright refused to be like a guy and put their first foot forward
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 06:04 PM
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And girls don't realize that they don't really have standards so guys can meet them but it's more so a way to effectively discriminate against more guys who could possibly be unattractive to them Basically women will break rules for the guys they do like and sometimes even the guys they do like can lack and traits other guys have and vice versa I went out on a date with a girl who said she hated dating broke dudes but meanwhile this girl lives in her car So you see not only the double standard B…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:39 PM
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Most of those career women are not making as much money as you would think especially when you compare it to every other job and it does not take into account how much money you make per right and other occupations A plumber can make just as much as a lawyer but a lawyer is just going to look more attractive because of the status part. Just because you have a degree does not mean you are educated or World weary. Obviously a man can't just wake up and decide if he wants to be in a relationship an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:10 PM
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But that doesn't mean you will have it easier and I think a lot of girls tend to think this way. In reality most guys aren't foolish but because of how dating is most guys are going to give rejected because dating is inherently discriminatory Like a guy could be the best emotionally and the most confident and love himself but that does not necessarily mean hell be successful Think back to all the men you probably friendzoned or rejected Nine times out of 10 they probably had a lot of attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:02 PM
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Keep in mind that most women's hints are super ambiguous which kind of reinforces the whole eternalized massage you think because instead of hinting they will not actually risk rejection or humiliation That's why I always hated the conversation about girls doing Instagram because their hints are always in a way easily flyover most people heads Keep in mind that the penalty for a guy who misreads and he is also not a very good one because he could very much easily look like a creep or get laughed…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:23 PM
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It's really not a hobby anymore though well outside of the times where I'm drawing for myself I still kind of owe a lot of people a lot of different drawings but I have been working two jobs to try to move out of my grandma's so a lot of my drawing time is no longer with me Like I have one woman offered me $200 to draw something for her kid but something like that and especially for how much she's charging it's going to take a little bit more time and finesse
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:38 AM
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Mainly because politics is exhausting and if you don't have the ability to separate yourself from a lot of it it does get really personal and exhausting I'm an artist first and foremost
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:30 AM
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Not anymore The left needs a few overhaul and I'm not talking about changing ideas but the greatest failure of our left wing today is there a version to having some empathy for men's failures because ironically a lot of men just fall right under that umbrella Men are suffering of all metrics ironically because they are meant and all those old Norms of what's expected of them are still there despite us living in modern times My mother and sister can choose if they want to be traditional or modern…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:23 AM
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All these last years have really taught me is that There really seems to be no one way to do this right because everybody literally is different and is going to see everything very differently Like I remember one time when I was 18 girl at the movies was clearly checking me out but I was still coming off of a bad breakup and my self-esteem was not so good so I basically ignored her
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:20 AM
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Yes I am especially nowadays because a lot of good leadership is needed Now of course I'm not saying I'm that leader but as a black American our country is going crazy right now which is absolutely nothing new but like everything else more people join political sides more so often ego rather than what's right for them or for the good of everybody Ironically a lot of men and women's issues should be overlapping and should fall under the umbrella of left wing but right now a lot of left-wing stuff…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:19 AM
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I was always interested in politics and leadership in general but I come from protesters as my grandfather was a black panther It's I the blood basically
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:16 AM
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Bro that's kind of how I feel because I was athletic and Tall but I was also a nerd and I was into emotions and empathizing so I made friends with sporty people and God's people and nerdy people and emo people and preppy people I had a good core of 12 friends in college and we all can fit into different archetypes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:15 AM
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To be honest with you I hate both sides just because I've been on both sides and I seen the bs I find stolicism boring and I have always been described as the class Lounge so it was never going to mix with me I'm also the oldest son of a single mother household with a lot of abuse and issues so a lot of the masculinity stuff was going to be with me without question and without really any choice And even still I had to take the car a lot what we call masculinity masculinity just because it never …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:14 AM
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Let's see the only thing that really has changed about me is my physical looks and I would argue that's the only reason why I have started getting more attention is because I finally grown into my looks To be honest with you sometimes it feels like I lost out on some social skills or brain cells as I got older
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:12 AM
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What I'm saying is that I'm only successful years later when I'm arguably at my most anti-social When I was younger and much more socially attuned and mentally healthier I got absolutely next to no attraction from women outside of attracting my very abusive girlfriend I have more success with women now while being a homeless carless drunk at 25. What is confusing is that people say being exactly like I was age 15 to 21 was the golden way to be attractive But I got next to no play.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:05 AM
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Once again what I'm confused about is that for all the advice on both sides will give out, as the dude who took it and sometimes didn't even have to take it but still have those traits, I did not do as well as I should have and now I'm pretty much the opposite and I'm at my most mentally unhealthy I even had a diagnosis a couple of years ago and I have gone through probably the biggest Mental Health crisis I have had since I was a little boy On all metrics I should not be doing as well as I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:50 AM
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Ironically I agree with a lot of incels especially when they talk about the black pill because I feel like that's the only reason why I have had success is because I'm a conventionally tall black dude. I have the same base personality when I was a kid Now of course you're going to naturally mature and grow and find out more about yourself but I'm still very much that class clown/bookworm The only thing that really has tangibly changed about me though is that I am older and apparently more attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:48 AM
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I would argue if you were social enough you really don't need that many false friends or at least not to be perceived to having them and just as a guy who has always been social I just can't say that having those friends was the magical bullet Once again I'm not stating this trying to prove someone wrong but I'm generally confused I'm 25 and as I get older I don't hang out with my friends every single day so I despite that if I went out with a girl without even mentioning my friends, how would s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:45 AM
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Now improving your social skills for your general life I would argue is good because not only when you look better but you'll probably find more people that are at home with you to the point where you don't need to put on an act I remember telling my 16-year-old self that I should probably just need me because trying to conform always backfired I still got bullied and made fun of because men who don't fit the masculine normally can make fun of and look down upon But no amount of therapy help me …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:25 AM
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But we also know there's no guarantee for anything but I am in be honest opinion that most men do have good social skills but that doesn't necessarily translate that most women are going to find them attractive nor doesn't mean that most women are going to be graceful or just appreciate those men in general just because they have social skills Once again I'm having more success right now but I'm at my social worst I'm a walking definition of advice just not being true even though it sounds true
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:22 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:18 AM
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And yet there are so many people who have no friends but find partners easily. There's also people who have no problems keeping large amounts of friends but also find nobody Honestly people having friends are not really does not have any baring if they are attractive A rich lawyer who is fat and baldy will probably have more luck just because he has the status marker and money of a lawyer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:16 AM
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I completely agree but if you were in my shoes would you not find most of that advice questionable and maybe start to question it if you were the one who actually took those steps and did it Like I get if some people just sit in their house and don't do nothing and explain but I almost had no choice but to make myself better because I have useless parents The only other reason I can think of is because I've got older and more expensively attractive but that doesn't really make you feel better an…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:14 AM
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Bro I'm still surprised that my career has took off because if you would have asked me 5 years ago I would have probably made that same joke but I literally give people asking me and paying me everyday at the point where I cant keep up. I still feel like I'm very much in the honeymoon phase on that Like right before I read this reply I got a DM on my Instagram about a project And I'll have you know sir that I pay my grandparents rent and for food anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:12 AM
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I completely agree which is why I hate the advice to both sides give because if it was really such a Magic Bullet then it would work Especially when you consciously know you have so many more if you skills that your parents don't but your peers just do better because they're either eventually attractive or they got lucky By Reddit and it's standards my rich coworkers should not be getting as much success as he got because the kid has absolutely no social skills and has a body odor problem but I …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:11 AM
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Also I try not to judge but I feel like this type of thing doesn't count with girls because any girl can literally start her sexual Journey whenever she pleases If a girl isn't successful and it's most likely because she sees her have high standards or she's trying to get men out of her league Most girls can find a date within any social context because the burden of approaching and escalating is not on you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:07 AM
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But that still doesn't account for why I did so bad despite being so much of what's so many people say you need to be But both sides and their logic I should have been doing way well at 18 I was leading organizations and starting my art career and even without all of that I was always pretty social Even when I was a kid I didn't try to delude myself into thinking just because I was good at this that meant every girl was just supposed to be super attracted to me but it's just a point of the advic…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:04 AM
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Making more friends. Not working and generally knowing how to make friends and being the life of the party which I feel like I was a master at I was a big black Hulk like extroverted nerd So I got a lot of penalties for that like having girls reject you and being made fun of but at the same time I was also the dude everybody went to for their problems and I was always the life of the party in so many of my friends will still say this to this day I get the impression that a lot of people think if…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:01 AM
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I've slept with three older women and I'm talking to five right now so I do believe that a lot of women are more easier especially if the young man is attracted
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:51 PM
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It should be a number of reasons and if one girl rejects him today age 18 for being a virgin then what's stopping other 18 year olds and then 19 and then 20 and then 21 I think in a girl's head they believe that something must be absolutely wrong with the guy to be a virgin that long but if so many girls see virginity is such a cut-off especially at Young ages where most people are starting off and you can imagine why you guys don't make it that far especially since they're still expected to pur…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:29 AM
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That's kind of why I hate the advice from both sides because human nature is so subjective and if we went off both sides logic I should not have as much success as I did these last couple of years I'm pretty much a starving artist living with my grandparents yet I have had more success with women in these short years and I did at my most confident years ago That's why I tell people everyone is different because I should have had girls swimming in Me by so much of what read its logic is. I was a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:33 AM
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It's much more than that and most men understand with women want and like but that does not exactly mean you will get a good outcome
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:32 AM
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There are trans men who literally describe that they did not expect such a change in how they were treated from transitioning from women to men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:32 AM
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There have been videos of women posing as men on Tinder and they literally get blown away by the major differences in their experiences on the same app. She said all the things this poster said about thinking she knew what women like because she was a woman until she had to pose as a man. Ironically men know what women like and it's really not that different from what men like but the major difference is our biology and being different genders. I could be as smooth as confident as possible but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:31 AM
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What's creepy to one woman will be attractive to another and I know this because I've literally been the same person going after two women in two days in a row and one thought I was crazy and the other one literally was turned on
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:29 AM
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But I still think you're seeing this from a woman standpoint because everything you've written sounds nice but from my real life experiences it doesn't matter how confident you are because women still want to find better You basically just pointed out that when you mentioned the pretty girl going for the shy guy because you perceive the guy to be shy but he probably has so many other aspects to him but if it isn't perceived to be confident or sexy to you then it didn't matter. You keep mentionin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:26 AM
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Exactly And women are just as much subject to societal pressures and programming just like men are and it doesn't surprise me that so many girls are so quick to think that any man is out to get them or that their inherently creepy or dangerous because that's something that's been reinforcing their head so much that they don't know it They can easily look up eating YouTube video of a girl posing as a guy on Tinder and they will see
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:28 AM
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Because like I said I'm a big minority man who ironically has also been openly feminine and artistic and outgoing all at the same time so there should be no excuse to why I may be viewed as creepy or not emotionally intuitive but because of how I physically look a lot of people have a lot of prejudgments Those prejudgments don't just work in racism but also in dating Attractive people of both genders are looked at as inherently more trustworthy and good and a lot of their traits that will be con…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:26 AM
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I understand that completely but the sad thing about drug users is that you probably have already had one in your house I grew up surrounded by drug dealers because I come from the hood and that's how my mom and dad made their money and I have seen the best and worst I was surprised growing up learning just how many people I knew were on drugs And to a point I agree with you but what I'm trying to challenge you on is the perceptions of things because perceptions rule dating and perceptions are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:24 AM
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First of all the really are no Basics and that's something I found out as a Young Man dating Every single girl will look at you different in almost every single encounter in situation Also you guys have to realize it's just not the same with you guys approaching women because you're not hit with the same standards and old gender norms Just as men consciously and subconsciously treat you guys a certain way because of your gender Women do it to men too and a lot of girls get on guard from men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:22 AM
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I know a woman who literally is married and spends all her husbands and families money on pills but I doubt if you saw her you would call her creepy Being on the drugs is not the same as being creepy and you're ironically kind of proofing my point Just because he is a man and he is doing something that you do not find comfortable or that you find acceptable does not mean he is creepy or that he is less than a man I'm not saying you do this all the time and I'm not trying to come after you but I …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:19 AM
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But see you're a girl and you're really not seducing or making moves I believe girls think that just because they approach once or make one move that they are somehow doing the job that the man always does but it's much more than that For example I've just now posted my picture on a dating site and I got a couple of likes but even in that context it's still on me to message these girls first because they are just not going to do it. They really don't have to because even if I adore them there's …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:17 AM
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But it's too easy to say that to yourself because you're not the person that's taking the front of this That man you may think is wary and creepy is nine times out of 10 not but you see how easy it is just to label him that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:14 AM
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That's because they have been trying to stay quiet about it but I assure you most men are affected by it especially when you are young and you're absorbing this information without much maturity or defense
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:13 AM
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Ask your bi male friends how they would figure. You'd still be a man and it's just not as easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:11 AM
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But pride I a sin and a hypocrite one I doubt having some empty Pride will help any differently If this was really that much true that I don't think I would have had that much success that I have had recently. I very much hate my life station but shame doesn't really describe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:09 AM
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But I have to ask what those accomplishments are and if that's really true will all accomplishments be seen the same and not everybody is going to give you Grace just because you did accomplish something
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:27 AM
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Was kind of what I feel like a lot of women are doing because she's such a mismatch of values and because of the recent the quality a lot of women have gained I kind of judged him a little bit more harsher on their ideas more Like don't expect me to be the Super financially independent dude when you are not financially independent I went out on a date with a girl who had the audacity to go on Facebook and make fun of dudes that she thought were broke and how she would never go for a broke dude T…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:24 AM
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I can kind of understand that but I have been around enough to know the realistically almost nobody really does 50% of sharing but I get the idea and it sounds good but I don't think men and women should really try to compare what 50% means For example a big pet peeve with mind growing up was how my mom would trip on the house but at the same time never clean it and meanwhile here I am expected to not only do domestic duties like cleaning up after myself and my autistic brother but I will still …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:22 AM
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Like if he went to school for accounting but didn't finish Or he got a degree in theology but does nothing with it or though likable job comes from it Believe me I can understand because I dropped out of art school and I feel so mixed about it because ironically my art career is taking off but I consciously know I'm still a starving artist On one hand all those hours of practice finally paid off especially given my background and where I come from but at the same time I also know that because of…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:13 AM
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See my experience is paint a different picture but because of all that stuff I went through it pretty much told me that people aren't good at reading other people and finding out who they really are just because to the same day I still get people thinking they know what my personality is like but they always end up getting it wrong Doubly so being an artistic sensitive person inside of a giant hyper-masculine black body I was so good at being social I was able to make friends with almost every s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:09 AM
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But see thinking you're all of that comes off as being braggy to me because I've been around that type of Behavior coming from the hood and it just comes off as fake too much I even kind of side-eyed the girls who kind of fall for this type of thing because no one is that good of a person and once again I feel like if I have to act like this to get you then you're really not worth it for you only see life in Shallow ways Any way that seems to just make yourself same too much of a show off just k…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:58 AM
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I completely understand what you're saying because I've been on both sides so I'm not really in agreement with the whole nice guys are secretly evil and that they're unattractive but I've also been on the opposite to where being my normal myself has been a turn off so I can understand both sides I really don't believe nice guys are secretly evil but I do believe that they are naturally just more pleasant and easy going and sometimes not every woman is attracted to bed and thus that causes the co…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:56 AM
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But clearly being quiet does not equal being confident even if you are and that's something that I'm learning and I'm usually social I've been the definition of having that quiet confidence and not having to show off and yet I have not done well at all At least in my younger years where it feel like all of this stuff should apply
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:49 AM
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But like you said all of this is completely predicated on your environment and whatever background you're in And this assumes that people are too graceful because the biggest lesson I have learned as a man is that even when you have so many accomplishments it does not mean people will necessarily like you or respect you My childhood was filled with a lot of unique challenges that a lot of people even in my own demographic probably will never deal with but it's something I don't go around braggin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:48 AM
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But that assumes everybody is going to give you Grace The hardest thing I'm only as a man is that you could have all the masculine traits but no one perceives you as that then it didn't matter and even worse is that even if you do have all that does not guarantee that someone is going to respect or like you I'm sorry my friend but I just don't agree with this whole people can sense your attitude and when you believe in yourself it's supposed to show because if that was true then my life would ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:47 AM
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See I just view it all as just not pleasant. Like I feel like if you have to brag then for one thing that girl is not really the best girl to stay long term with but also it kind of makes it feel like all your accomplishments are there just to make yourself feel better or look better which is awful Sometimes I'll even hold back a bunch of stuff I'm good at for my secret challenge just because I want to test not only potential friends but dates because I've been in abusive relationship before whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:23 AM
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Because most of the time there's a bike doesn't work because social skills going to look very different with different places and different people. And I bet you have a long list of dudes that you have rejected that I've had great social skills My ex-girlfriend was not social at all and in fact hated the fact that I could be friends with anybody so my lack of social skills were not the reason why she treated me badly Now she did want me to have a social skills of the common Thug or the type I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:21 AM
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That's not my problem and it shows a lack of patience
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 11:30 PM
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Of course my life was in danger and that has long-lasting effects which include being emasculated
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 11:29 PM
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What I'm saying is it's very impressive that feminists can analyze gender but yet only sees the type of gender misbehavior only from men and will genuinely believe any transgression that may come from men always ends with misogyny or age of women when that's just not the case The only reason why feminism took off is because men have built the world so well that you could even believe in something like internalized misogyny Most women would not want to trade places with the average man
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 11:28 PM
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Once again I don't know why you keep rejecting on to me because I probably have said many times in this crazy argument that I do not agree with old gender roles and I in fact do hate them too but I have learned that it's better to conform to them than to act different
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:28 PM
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Exactly it's everybody's job and in the same breath every single societal problem is every member's fault I have in the past it did nothing because it didn't stop the girl from going back to that guy anyway Individually men have no power in this game because it's not like we can scan every single individual man on his attention to what he's thinking and nor should we Most women will be attacked by men that they know Which means they're close family and friends so if women want to watch out for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:46 AM
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So basically you're telling me you have the patience and attention span of a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:44 AM
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It's the prequel to Game of Thrones and I'm not a feminist either but most of their ideas sound good in theory but the reason why they fail so hard is because they never execute their own ideas nor do they even really follow what they preach Basically the show is about Medieval Times where there is a succession crisis and the princess is named heir to the throne You can imagine how many political machinations and how much bus the show gets especially nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:43 AM
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I'm a history buff as well and that's exactly what chivalry was. It was still protect the highest order of women in society which was Noble women That's why I'm loving house the dragon right now because you can hardly take a lot of left and right wing lessons from that show Like yes rhaenyra was named there and it is unfair that so many people challenge her because of her gender but at the same time you see that some of the challenges warranted because it's very clear that she only cares about b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:28 AM
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It's not a patriarchal society not the way you guys are thinking. And I know things are not perfect cuz I'm a black man but we have basically civilized and build the world so much that women seem to have forgotten basically that The building you walk into and almost every single item and luxury you have is because of a man The reason why the Germans did not take over the world with their Nazism is because most soldiers are men and men have to put their lives on the line and still expected to Her…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:26 AM
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Can I ask you a question. Do you think a lot of women May hold misandrist views. Also you be surprised how many women hold the sexiest beliefs whether consciously or subconsciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:10 AM
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Chivalry is dead and women killed it because it's not a man's job to police another man and despite what ever goes on in your head most women do not respect the guys who act like white Knights
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:08 AM
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I literally just said that it was a stupid question you just asked because how could a kid not care about getting hurt and killed but you continue just to protect whatever you're thinking on to me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:06 AM
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Which is not good psychologically for any young boy especially when they are so young and lack addiction or psychological tools to either accept that or to break away from it A combination of that from society and a combination of abuse does not make a good outcome
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:06 AM
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I don't miss my decisions really around day but I am getting up in age and I don't like that I have so little experience And I'm not even a fan of that much casual sex but I am also experienced enough to know that a lot of girls really aren't that open-minded or patient with a guy who hasn't had 20 girls They are very much women that are turned on by abuse and turned on by a guy that has many different girls Once again I don't like this but so many experiences tell me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:02 AM
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Ironically men who come off or can let themselves be perceived as more manly probably don't have a higher fear of being hurt because of the same mechanism Don't ask stupid questions like this. As if I was not concerned about being hurt or killed by people who are older and bigger than me. You were trying way too hard to misconstrue stuff I say while simultaneously projecting and proving my point even more about the lack of empathy versus how women get empathy for their problems
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 10:48 PM
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For example a big denominator between how my bully treated me and my crazy step dad was for the fact that they knew that I would not knock them out I was born with an incredible body that was made for violence but it's against my nature but anytime I did use it I get completely opposite reactions from the same people who used to bully and emasculate me Emasculation usually means doing everything in your power to destroy a man's confidence or self-esteem or his idea on what manhood should be and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 10:22 PM
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What do you think being emasculated means
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 10:20 PM
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That's kind of my conundrum right now because I just now starting to see some payoff to all my work but I'm nowhere near making a living off of it The irony is if I do make a lot more money off of it it'll probably make all my other perceived unattractive traits same like they're not there or be passed over
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 10:00 PM
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I remember a feminist teacher asking me or rather have to be Audacity Of asking me why I gravitated to red pill when I was 19 and it really goes to show that these people have no idea what young boys go through
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 08:31 PM
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When I was your age I made a mistake of working out 24/7 and I remember there were several days where I had to tag himself out because I stretched my muscles out too much. It's good that you have to drive to work out but do not let that dry make you hurt yourself
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 08:29 PM
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Exactly in so many anti-red pillars missed a point and refused to ask himself the question. Why are so many young men gravitating towards these spaces if they really are that evil and do not work?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 08:28 PM
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A lot of people who do abuse men use it for those reasons and I completely agree with you for the fact that people get abused all the time and it doesn't matter what gender or who they are so I find it crazy that you're still arguing with me So many women seem to have the need to be right so strongly that they'll even argue against themselves I agree with you on abuse but I also know for a fact that men can't usually stay their abuse because people don't take them seriously and even if they do i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:54 PM
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I think it's actually the reversal that happens with society as most people would emasculate a man if they thought he could not get laid
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:28 PM
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Or maybe you're just being willfully ignorant
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:28 PM
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No that's not what I mean Being emasculated it's like taking away a man's manhood and being abused as a lot of that because of using a young boy usually involves destroying his self-esteem and confidence It's not projecting because there's no way my statement would have been missing screwed as women deserves for you especially since I didn't even say it was women That's not to say women aren't abused but it can be very emasculating to a young boy because in sexual context is and out of those con…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:28 PM
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Abuse is emasculating Especially when you're young you can't properly defend yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:10 PM
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I keep noticing that as well. They'll admit that men have some type of problem but it always comes back to blaming men and ironically I'm in a conversation with a person that thinks like this right now
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 07:05 PM
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No one has to help you is my point everything you're saying is ironically proving my point I'm not trying to be mean and I'm not trying to say that you're always wrong but so many girls seem to miss the point but then act like they are the victims of sexism themselves without realizing they perpetuate the same behavior You're a girl and you really don't need that much help finding the man you want because most men will come to you anyway You can literally just pick and choose out of all the men …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:03 PM
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I've actually turned down a girl who tried to make me sleep with her while she had a boyfriend
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:56 PM
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I brought that example of his example of how men get abused by women and their family and once again your Basically proving my point I gave an example of not only dealing with something but also an example of how men get abused and instead of showing some understanding You basically try to use it against me to Immaculate me and trying to say that I care too much about what she thinks when that clearly was not the case
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:49 PM
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Once again you're complaining worrying and not dealing with it with talking about it If I worried about what my grandma thought then I would have never made it as far as I did with my art At the same time I'm not just going to stand there and take disrespect even if I can quietly just deal with it because I'm not a kid anymore in those days are over Stop bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with our conversation
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:48 PM
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Can I ask you something. If confidence and assertiveness are seen his masculine traits and even more so if most women are attracted to that and don't you think that should be included in discussion about gender and gender roles especially on a sub dedicated to just that Sex and dating are part of gender discourse It's weird because so many women seem to think that if a man was just genderless or neutered that things would be better and it's kind of what you're trying to do to me right now becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:47 PM
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Because once again as young men were told so many conflicting issues ironically in the hopes of protecting our women but we've done such an overcorrection that the guys who should be doing well with the women are the ones that are looked at this weird or too weak and the guys who continuously hurt our women are the ones that they can generously fall for Yet we're all blamed for that 20% that still abuse and even when we ourselves are abused by women's bad behavior, we still can't state it or eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:45 PM
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That's not what I said at all
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:42 PM
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One Way Society can fix a lot of these problems is actually having better discussion on gender and why men and women are treated the way they do and often feel the way they do Explain to young men and women exactly why and how gender is seen by society and what makes a bad man and woman based off their gender I think both men and women need to understand both the benefits and downsides of the double standards they have over each other I'm all for letting men and women be free of their gender rol…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:41 PM
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Most of the women in my life go straight to blaming men for a lot of their problems and it's always the few percent of men who's done so I just recently told my grandmother that she will not be emasculating me like she did my father or grandfather because I am not either of those men and did nothing to her to deserve it A lot of women hold these positions unconsciously while ironically thinking that there's somehow not sexist or tolerant Like I said I'm a big black dude who used to protest and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:35 PM
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People blame all types of things for their problems but more so what I'm saying is all of society's problems are the thought of all its members which posts both men and women Notice how your go-to tactics are about sex and dating and who's to blame and therapy which is such a cliche thing to do whenever a man is talking about his problems but it's almost as if you're not taking you seriously while ironically fainting so It's not a question of desperation for sex nor is it blaming women but tryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:34 PM
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Sex and dating go hand in hand with a lot of men's problems because they are social activities that still deal with a lot of things we considered archaic Most women are still very much attracted to classical masculinity and anything dealing with masculinity is subject to be discussed and talked about which includes sex and dating You can't expect men to somehow be genderless or not be masculine yet still expected when it comes to sex Are modern sisters can very much choose if they want to be mod…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:30 PM
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And I'm not singing hardest can't have some success and I'm not saying being something different as a guarantee but so much of media makes it seem like every type of artistic dude from the painting is somehow slaying when usually it's the guy that's just already attractive I got a friend that's a musician and he is not very good But this friend also told me that he straight up as fake his personality to get girls and it works because telling girls that he's a musician and him making a couple of …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:20 PM
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You can still very much take your grievances about things and still deal with it which I'm sure you have done and your husband
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:16 PM
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Ironically you can still deal with your issues and still make note that's what you're dealing with is not fair and you can also make note that it is a society-wide problem I'm a big black dude so early on I had to learn to be extra accommodating and almost too nice to appoint because all my experiences teaching me to be a normal dude with normal masculinity have told me that people around me will be frightening of me You can only imagine what it's like walking in the grocery store to get stuff d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:16 PM
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Your ironically drooping my point with the lack of empathy for men because you have no idea what happened to me and it seems like you lost over the fact that my first reply that I was literally abused It was never sexual but it was physical and mental and I got it from both men and women in my family Specifically speaking most men aren't racist and if a woman is to be right it'll be most likely by someone she knows and even then it still doesn't excuse it if it happens to someone out the family …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:08 PM
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The difference is what you guys were told doesn't hinder you socially nor does it hinder you in romance I come from a long line of abused women and they unknowingly take a lot of their anger out on their sons of being around them and they're so far stuck inside of that anger that they don't see it but the ones who deal with all that consequence will be the young boys who have no idea on how to deal with that I got no training on what it was like to actually talk to a woman because it was Flash w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 05:28 PM
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Like I said it's not every woman it's like this and I will be the first to vouch that because I have dated both types of women but at the same time I am a young man who was born during this time period And there was a lot of things we were told that was just not true
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 05:24 PM
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It's a Marketplace stand women hold the power of the marketplace and that's the standard that I think a lot of young men are trying to point out especially when we live in very confusing times You basically just prove my point by saying that only 5% of men meet your standards Of course you're not going to complain because even though you can't find men that meet that person standard you're still able to find sex and love and everything between because like I said a lot of women really do break t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:46 PM
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How would you know if they stated because I don't think any girls really was that turned on outside of just saying that I was talented or they wanted me to draw them Even my abuse of ex girlfriend wanted me to draw a picture of her years later after she clowned on me for my art when we were younger. I can kind of see it in a way but I never understood it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:00 PM
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I'm not saying you specifically and I'm not saying it's that bad for men but I am a nerd and I have had some success but I also been skilled enough to make friends with different people groups and clicks and different types of women show their attraction very differently For example my last girlfriend was super attractive but her personality was not I don't really view that as a win. Now a girl before that was much more and down the Earth and the fact that I could attract her made me feel much m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:58 PM
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I don't think it's just as easy as that because a lot of our issues are caused by societal changes Usually when a nation goes through troubles you'll see a breakdown of family and dating first which kind of makes sense because people need to survive and a lot of markers of attraction that women look for in men are things of survival I bet it is hard to see men as attractive when everything in the media and from one's own mental reinforcement will paint them as such I'm an artist and artist very …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:41 PM
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That's kind of what I figure too because I've been to both poor and rich schools and the girls act all the same when it comes to picking up husband right at 18 It's literally the same mechanism for gold diggers but it's just a more socially acceptable way
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:36 PM
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Women cannot naturally sense a dude's potential and I'm kind of tired of both sides pedaling this because socializing and reading people are not things that are absolute. One of the biggest lessons I learned was that I cannot just judge so quickly even when I think I have all the information to do so because there could be a very big chance that I am wrong if my judgment is wrong Life Is Life too and you could be a rich man and one bad day to make you lose all your money And I'd like to think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 01:47 PM
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I understand completely as I was with you the same thing but because of my experiences I have also sent the opposite and went to school with the opposite. My old manager was literally 35 and she basically was able to get by because she was spoiled in her parents were rich A combination of being rich in a woman was her privilege because she lived in the bottom version of their parents house which was basically like a second house with an entire kitchen and living room and everything She has crash…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:34 AM
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We also have to stop diluting ourselves into thinking that work somehow still in the 1950s or 70's generation where you could literally just graduate college or not even go and still find some type of income to actually support yourself Most of my friends are either living with a parent or roommate and the ones who were able to afford moving out are literally about one back paycheck away from losing it off and I know this because that's exactly what happened to me and two of my friends The press…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:23 AM
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I moved out for a little bit to live on campus while going to another country and that was the biggest factor in me getting broke and still living with my grandmother at age 25 even though I had a pretty good trajectory at 18 and 19 My biggest mistake was thinking I could just power through everything which included going hungry and not paying for extra stuff Meanwhile my door made a couple of Doors Down can get anything he wants because his parents are rich. I think we tend to forget that we ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:19 AM
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We also have to remember because the same reasons why we expect me for independent it's the same reason why women have a much easier time moving out is because they give them lots more help. For example I know a 30-year-old woman who still gets tons of support from her own parents and I imagine if she had a brother the same age that type of thing wouldn't happen because it's still expected for men to be hyper individual
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:18 AM
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You can definitely grow and mature without moving out though and it's kind of immature to complete moving out on your own as to somehow being better because if that was the case then I would be more mature when I moved out but because of money reasons I had to move back in I don't think it's the fact they still live with the parents that makes a lot of people angry it's all the stereotypes that come with it that most definitely are not always true If I still live with my mom I would have to take…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:14 AM
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Ironically whenever I hear there's from someone it kind of shows that they are privileged and most of the time it is the kids that have parents with money to actually able to help them start their adulthood When I was 19 my trajectory was pretty good but a combination of toxic parents and wasting money on a bad school I had to move in back home We literally have five cars in the family but because of my abusive parents they each either crash one while on drugs or destroyed one why they were mad …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 12:12 AM
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And this is my biggest ride with feminism in general because I know a lot of women know they are vulnerable and I know a lot of women will make up so many defense mechanisms when dealing with men but you guys cannot be both victims and be empowered at the same time and then try to blame all men for the few that attack you I'm a big black dude and I have weirdly been escalated by a lot of people before they even know me because they instinctively know that I'm capable of hurting them if they step…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 09:32 PM
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In a way I can see that artists are attractive because there is a certain level of having not to care about social norms to be able to succeed at least in my experience We all know kids our kids and kids can be brutally mean to other kids for a different for whatever reason So a lot of us will wear whatever our social inequality is as armor and for me a big part of that was accepting that I was a wacky and zany artist instead of some big hulk So basically someone was considered deviant by their …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 09:24 PM
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I'm also talking about how both men and women's media make me an artist out to be like some secret key to get girls when really it's still just looks first Hell you can argue there's a tons of overlaps of traits that make people attractive or also the ones that make a good artist such as being able to network and sell yourself as an artist and actually putting in a time and dedication to put yourself better But coming out of a year of hard working on drawing figures and painting Landscapes doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 07:58 PM
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I was with this girl for 2 years and I had to deal with all her traumas but what red pilled me was for the fact that anytime I needed her emotional support it was always a problem or she would try to emasculate me when not two days later she was the one who was super upset and acting bitter
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 07:01 PM
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Believe me I understand as I've always been quite social but I've started getting attention until recently and that's because I I finally grown into my looks I was very much an extroverted nerd so I have the best of both worlds. But I also got the worst because I could get along with pretty much everybody and was accepted socially by a lot of people but I still wasn't at the top of the male hierarchy I had the size and muscle to be but my nature wasn't confrontational which is clearly been my do…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 06:44 PM
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Thank you for being honest and I am going to say this without trying to be his judgmental but this is a type of behavior that makes the guys that can ruin a girl's life I dated a girl who had a huge crush on me but for some reason my attention was not enough This girl made me wait to have sex which was completely cool to me at age 19 but it was clear that she was never going to actually let me have sex with her and she basically psychologically abused me throughout all our relationship. Then she…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 06:39 PM
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It's not impossible as I'm an artist and I have still been able to date but I guess it's just one of those things that doesn't really look as attractive compared to let engineer or a doctor
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 03:03 PM
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In my experience a man having female friends really does not do any difference I think a lot of women think it does
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 05:12 PM
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Message me on here
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:37 AM
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I understand completely because even if guys won't say it, we need some type of chemistry too because the girl just can't simply be beautiful and that be enough Especially for me personally since I've dated around and I've seen the best and worst My first relationship was very psychologically abusive and I'm just now mature and old enough to actually realize that's what it was and that relationship still starts until this day But because of those experiences I'm a little bit more cautious of sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:32 AM
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I not usually told myself that if I am going to get respected as part of some fun to have to be the best artist ever but it seems my own ambition proved me wrong When you're young in your mail you're basically told overtly and covertly that you're only valued if you're producing something and for artists we most likely will not get a lot of credit or status unless we are popular or have worked years and studied years to become Masters All of my art mentors were 40 and above of both genders and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 02:25 AM
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I agree with everything that you said And in my own opinion and it may show my privilege even more stating this but I kind of always viewed it as equally upsetting and the humanizing because basically the girls only interested in me because she sees a tall guy and nothing else about me And because of my early experiences in life I always try to empathize with men especially my shorter brothers so seeing girls act like that only made me feel more sad Being super tall does come with his drawbacks …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:44 AM
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You make it sound like I haven't or have not already done something like that I'm still physically in the hood of course but when I was around 16 or 17 my mental health change for the better in a way that I don't think I will be able to feel again. Ironically it pertains to gender Manhood is a performance which basically means even if you're doing it right someone can come along and try to emasculate you based off of whatever For an example if I go to the gym to bench press 200 lb. There's alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:40 AM
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As a dude that has tried to hook up with a girl who I did not like personally it was just so hard for me to do A couple of days ago I dipped out of a date with a woman just because I hated her personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:22 AM
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Mainly comic books and Graphics but I have enough experience that I can Branch out I've done logos album covers and portraits and sometimes even just random stuff I do both traditional and digital For example one time my cousin straight up just wanted me to paint a picture of a flower inside of smoke that he saw on Facebook. So I did that for about $15 I've also Done album covers for people that I usually charge around 60 A lot of my peers and family members however tell me that my talent is eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:21 AM
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I've been in and out of it my friend and coming from the hood you will be lucky to make it out without at least some mental scars It's funny that you said that because I got a therapy appointment coming up on Thursday
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:18 AM
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It's kind of sad when you think about it but I guess it does pretty much reinforce gender No matter how much a lady accomplishes she will be looked at for her beauty first and of course that face with age It seems to be the opposite for men because it seems like our feelings and perspectives don't matter but as we get older our wealth it's better and other contributions get better and it seems like that but I don't want to wait until I'm like 50 to finally feel valued Honestly that's not to say …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 01:17 AM
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I agree and my biggest problem with advice on both sides is that they make it seem like the dude with the ultimate personality will have no problems and believe me I am not perfect but I do know for a fact that I fit the box for emotionally intelligent and I can balance my masculinity and femininity Which kind of makes me sad because I have grown in my looks a lot in the last 4 years and I would hate to think that a girl will Super be into me now just because my looks of grown when I have litera…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 12:58 AM
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Honestly I can agree with the whole look system and pretty privileged part because that's really the only reason I think I survive as long as I did as an nerd I'm 6 ft 6 and black and I have been described it's pretty chocolate and I have been basically fetishized and hit on since puberty. People visibly get scared of me when I raise my voice just two decibels and not even to the point where I'm screaming. I have manhandled and pushed dudes around who bullied me and the adverse effect for that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 12:55 AM
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I've had to remind a lot of girls that it is a privilege to basically be any type of woman and still find love because it's not true for the opposite sex Girls can be a range of different archetypes from Awkward to outgoing to preppy or sporty or nerdy or Goth etc All of these girls will have no trouble finding a guy but most of their equivalents will not I know this because I'm a visual artist and I never do live myself into thinking that that was going to be inherently attractive to a woman an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 12:47 AM
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Ironically I always figured because for men were on dating apps is exactly the reason why men have so much trouble on there because there's less women and by proxy the women on there are going to be more picky and this is online where you have more amenity and less consequence Basically it's a chicken and egg situation because in Theory online dating should work more for men because you don't have to actually put yourself in the line of fire and at the same time you don't have to potentially mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 12:43 AM
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At the same time I do recognize that it is better than being on the other side to where you do not have anybody attracted to you at all and when you do come down to it dating itself is inherently discriminatory and based in shallowness I feel just as bad when a girl is attracted to my size and strength but I can't blame her because most girls are attracted to that whether that be social or biological. I don't think it matters but I try not to complain about it much because it does come off as co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 01:36 AM
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That's going to be natural with everybody because most people don't want unattractive people being attracted to them I felt the same way when a fat girl said she wanted to shag me Also I've gone through the opposite as a big black male to where I have had so many women excessively state that they love black men and it's always for the most racist and wrong reasons Like it's not attractive saying that black men are superior at X Y and Z and then trashing your own race but a lot of girls do this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 11:56 PM
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I get the same thing for being a big and tall dude and it's crazy how many women will contradict themselves when they are hitting on me because if we reverse the genders then they would easily be called creeps or being idiotic for falling into Old gender norms I'm a big and tall black guy so you can imagine how many stigmas and stereotypes I've had to deal with. Tons of girls who are into black guys are in it for the very wrong reasons and the way they talk to me always makes me feel icky Becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 11:54 PM
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Bro I honestly think this is subconsciously what hurts a lot of men is that I too kind of get weirded out if a girl seems to be super attracted to me because of my height and build because that to me tells me that she only likes me because I'm potentially dangerous to other people That's no different from being ejectified
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 11:48 PM
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I think a lot of women don't understand their reasoning because if it was true that just ambition and loving what you do was attractive in most men would not have problems. I'm a visual artist and I just now am starting to take off in my career but I still have a lot to learn and you can bet all those years studying and practicing took a lot of ambition and love for what I do but even in my younger years I never diluted myself into thinking that it was somehow attractive I'm realistic also and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 11:47 PM
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And I grew up in a single parent home younger autistic brother You have no idea what type of things to want in person especially when they are exposed to something and it would be just as ignorant for me to do the same It took me years to realize that a lot of my mom's behavior was because her mom tried to do to her what she tried to do to me and that completely changed my perspective from hating my mom to understanding her I used to think my mom was a victim but with Grace and forgiveness I rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 05:48 PM
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As a person who also overcame great adversity and depression I always view this as a little bit selfish and hypocritical because we also cannot decide when or how someone should get over their traumas nor is there a time limit What I'm saying is that telling men that they primarily use women for this Outlet is a cop out because men have so many other outlets as well and women of the first ones usually info dump about their life which once again I don't have a problem with Even as a kid I never u…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 03:42 PM
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I don't think we should conflate going through a crisis and wanting support with not getting over it or overcoming it because I think that misses the point from both sides I as a man in 2022 should be able to emote anyway I want and that should not have any questioning on my manhood or whether or not I should overcome adversity I can literally bawl my eyes out and then go to the gym the next day I can do the same thing and pay my bills and do whatever other stereotypically masculine thing And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 03:37 PM
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Which I find is a shame because men should be able to be vulnerable around their women without any social penalty but that may not happen in our lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 06:59 AM
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I really don't really think risk taking is masculine or feminine It's just not socially acceptable for men to give up easier or to not be as competitive even if it's not their nature A big part of the problem is for the fact that both men and women seem to think that acting crazy or mean spirited or selfish is equal to somehow being strong and it's not and that is something of a point of contention with the women in my family right now The only reason why they treat me like how they treat me is …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 01:31 AM
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I don't think a lot of women realize they do this and the toxic feminist movement knows this. There were so many things that I never texted until a woman ranted about it but then took me a long time to realize that she probably has all these things swimming in her head and thus protects it outward I come from a very faithful family where all the women act like victims and angry all the time I'm originally a walking example of a modern man from nothing to hurt and as a matter of fact I took tons …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 12:09 AM
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It's really not that hard We had a dude on campus who fit the description and he was not a well-loved dude except for the few stupid girls who fell for him We had a very short and nervous blonde girl that was a new addition to our school. And she was the youngest of all of us. Based on her stereotype you would think she'd be the type of girl to fall for this type of guy but she didn't He literally does this thing to where he takes off his shirt and a girl think ing that's what she likes He liter…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:37 PM
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That is something that I will say to both sides is that psychopath usually aren't the type that is going to be loving patient during sex I can totally see a psychopathic guy not caring about a girl's consent or if she's on any pill or a condom And whether it's media first or the girls attracted to them first a lot of these guys will get girls when they're young especially like in high school and if they imprints on young girls then those young girls are most likely going to follow that type of d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:16 PM
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Thank you and that's why I kind of get tired of the whole Psychopaths hide their true intentions argument In high school all of my friends male and female knew exactly who the Psychopaths were and the girls who were saying stayed away from him These guys are literally walking red flags and it's not a lot to notice it because you can tell based on how they treat people If you originally think she's better than everybody and literally talks to anybody like trash and he's probably not good
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:14 PM
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I bet a lot of people can notice it but like I said before Feminism is strange because it teaches people that women are the ultimate victims if criticized but also empowered if you also criticize I don't think a lot of women really know that they act like both a victim and better than men at the same time which does not work and gets old after a while And the only reason why men put up with it is because men love women or are trying to get laid
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:10 PM
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Okay so we're just talking looks well that kind of makes me wonder even more because while I do know that women care about looks more they also care about status way more and I find it confusing that a man that has six speaker job could not find a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:39 PM
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Huh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:18 PM
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Now I wonder if all of this could be potentially unattractive to certain women because this guy basically stated most of the stuff that girls will say the guys lack and which is why they are unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:09 PM
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I literally gave you a real life example too so I don't know how you came to that conclusion of being a boomer
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:04 PM
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I'm 25 and born in 1997
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:04 PM
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I made a woman orgasm twice without my penis even being fully hard from casual sex and she was FWB so we knew each other for about a year and I do generally care about this woman but that is something that's kind of helped my own self-esteem and to stop obsessing so much is for the fact that this was not pleasurable for me despite people saying it's supposed to be Like if you can make a woman orgasm without penetrating her then I really don't think you have much else to worry about and everythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:02 PM
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Basically all of it can fit to that Spectrum Girls are way more abusive guys and I say that as a man who grew up raised by mostly women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:54 PM
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Honestly as a dude who went through it I want to say that it's really not worth it and it should be viewed as abusive Behavior because you could be the best guy ever but if this girl still is giving you crap then there's nothing you can do and you'll only end up in an abusive relationship My ex-girlfriend had a lot of problems but instead of getting over it it turned her into the very same thing she hated which was basically a bully I did not enjoy it and we spent a lot of time arguing about her…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:53 PM
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You will be surprised just how many girls act like this On one hand it's not surprising because little girls were always told that they were special practices even before our modern times with feminism. Daddy spoiled little princess is always been a Trope but imagine getting told that you can basically do no wrong when you're a little child and double that when Society itself is telling you that you could do no wrong and that all your male peers are secretly evil and horrible Of course that's go…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:33 PM
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Girls are the ones that are used to this language and girls are the one who are making this comparison I just told that by literally my feminist English teacher when I was in high school was that girls like guys like me after they're done basically getting ran through by toxic dudes And I know this because it's very conversation on Bad Boys and stuff it's exactly what I tried to query her off because there are so many feminists blind spots and logic holes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 10:28 PM
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I've been turned off by gorgeous girls just based off of their attitude There's a sweet girl who I would call a six or seven that comes in my store all the time and just because she is so wholesome it makes me like her a lot. So I do think that there is truth in that guys need some type of emotional appeal and connection also
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:20 PM
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Just think about the phenomenon of telling guys that their husband material which is basically confirming my statement You literally pick one guy over the guy that his husband material because you know one looks more fun and the other looks more good for stability
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:18 PM
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When I say bad boy I'm talking about more Behavioral or what they project out It's crazy you mentioned motorcycle gangs because that would be a nice stereotype to think about but it's more so of how the guy treats people in general It doesn't matter if he's The Jock or the bully or some a ahole lawyer They tend to have more success because they are usually the type of man literally does not care about stepping over people A lot of people will attribute it to confidence and that's a part of it bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:17 PM
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It doesn't matter who introduced it because these ideas in some form or fashion have been around even if we didn't have a name for it or a person who didn't coin it But I agree with him Think about how many times a girl will say that she does not like a guy right now but would like him later on because he's husband material What the girl is basically saying that she's going to mess around with the bad boys while she's young and at her most beautiful and fertile. And deep down that woman knows th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 02:12 AM
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Male adversion to female promiscuity comes from our ancestral past Basically way way back in the day there was no contraceptive. Sex itself was very dangerous especially to women two women and children so the ideas about casual sex back then were very different As a man or woman you probably wouldn't want to have too much casual sex because kids can pop out and for a woman she and her child could die in childbirth Not to mention higher risk of STDs and other diseases which back then would have b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 02:09 AM
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Even women will admit that a guy has to do for it if he's not attractive whether that be physically or in the traditional masculine sense Like I'm the walking definition of what most people would believe is Good Conduct for a dating Prospect especially in the feminist lens. I'm a big black dude but I was always emotionally attuned with myself and other people I joined a lot of Social Clubs and protested a lot The biggest challenge of being an artist wasn't getting better at the art but was also …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 01:58 AM
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Because we need to be more honest about these Dynamics such as women being more picky about looks because that's what I honestly feel like is what held me back
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 12:43 AM
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Someone who went on a self-improvement journey as a teenager it came out of it happier but with no dating success. Most people do this already but we have to stop telling people that they have to be this magical go-getter and fix every single law just to be able to date because if that was true then I would not have the little success I have now I think I may be the biggest outlier in this conversations because I didn't start getting success until I was older and I'm arguably worse off now than …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 12:22 AM
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Everybody does that already but in the realm of sex and dating it's very different sometimes that revelation the difference between success and failure I think I posted it in a similar comment before but I got a friend He is very handsome and he's socializes well and likes music. He is a child or so he claims but for this conversation we're going to choose to believe that One day we were talking about girls and relationships and he straight up revealed to me that he is putting on an act. I haven…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 05:29 AM
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I completely agree that those environments do breed a lot of toxic addictions and mindsets, not to mention horrible relationships That's why I kind of hate that people promote it like it's not a big deal especially if you're in a relationship to go to a club because it's just not good Sometimes in clubs I thank God that I'm not some crazy dude because some girls have done some things to me in clubs that I'm pretty sure they wouldn't do if they weren't under the influence of alcohol and music One…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:20 AM
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Hmm. I get that. I will admit even though my body looks like a masculine rock my personality is very flamboyant I was figure why I didn't have success in high school was because of this reason because I always knew I was physically attractive but I always knew that I probably wasn't the right level of masculine Ironically being so big and tall is a privilege because I get a little bit more leeway for being emotional because I can easily defend myself I'm an art nerd so I went through all of this…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:16 AM
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Remember the mechanism itself is for self-preservation but whatever standard that we judge based off of that social mechanism is not based in self-preservation Like let's say back then in the year too that's wearing purple was considered socially taboo Not wearing purple will be seen as self preservation because you're trying not to out yourself as a social outcast. All other things considered wearing the color purple really isn't making your life more dangerous or not but the culture you're bor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:20 AM
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As a super nerdy guy he was also pretty social in high school and who was the life of the party in college all I have to say is that you could be a social Mastermind and still get rejected
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 03:17 AM
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Exactly Which is why so many guys don't take feminist seriously When we live in an age where we're more equal than ever and women have the means to not only make their own money but they're also support themselves and pay for a guy that you would think that our dating lives would be a little bit different But just because we're in 2022 does not mean all those old instincts from 1950 and 1900 and 1800 in the year 1,000 aren't still with us Ironically that's why so many girls are so frustrated now…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:48 AM
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If you're doing more than it's more than halfway Especially in our society now when we're supposed to be more equal I still find it crazy that a lot of girls not only still expected guys to pursue first but also to pay more and make more money when we live in such a time now that technically a woman can support a man and pay for the date And going off the progressive logic it should be a problem because gender roles are supposed to be a thing of the past even though dating clearly shows it's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:45 AM
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I don't think it's about being socially capable because if running around in purple underwear was considered attractive and socially capable than people would do it Our biology as a whole creates this phenomena but what we choose as humans to make something as socially acceptable or not it's usually up to our culture You're talking to a nerdy black man and both of those things used to be considered antisocial Nerdiness was always seen as weird or corny until it became mainstream culture I'm blac…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:42 AM
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I would argue up until our Progressive times men being predominantly the pursuers is meeting halfway Which I find crazy about this conversation because even when the girl gives hints it's still up to the guy to make the first move And usually it's the move that is dictated on whether or not you will be rejected or not Like a girl stroking your arm is a nice first sign but it's one of those cues that is so ambiguous that it could be seen as platonic. Is a guy can't just stroke your arm because yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:18 AM
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Now this is going to be controversial but I'm under the opinion that girls can't really Define or really dictate what is halfway because they just don't approach as much or have to do as much as the man does Me walking up to you and giving an open liner is basically more than halfway because I opened up and giving you an open Line thus you have to respond in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:15 AM
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It doesn't and I'm glad it happened because it made me stronger but a part of that Newfound strength was also knowing that not every girl has your best interest at heart It also taught me that you could be the most calm and non-threatening possible while flirting but also get yourself into trouble. A lot of us seems forget that when it comes to socializing in general there are no rules because even in the untold rules you can still find a way to break them But even more so even if you follow all…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:13 AM
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And that's why I love being a nerd because you can be a nerdy as you want and do so many other things. Basically being a nerd or interested in that type of stuff does not mean that you're socially inept. But my experiences in my youth tell me that being interested in that stuff can make you be perceived as that I'm literally a comic book artist. My whole job description describes me to be not only super emotionally intuitive but also a huge nerd and I regularly partied The biggest crimes against…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:12 AM
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Which is why so many women make post like this about having their hands missed because they will never take that step just to be direct and risk of rejection like a guy would Women aren't really more socially intuitive but they're more likely to be more socially pressured which makes sense since women are historically seen as the social glue of communities I'd imagine a woman wouldn't want to put herself in a position to be made fun of or put down or to look awkward if she didn't have to Which o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:04 AM
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But it would be forward and Progressive and in my opinion a little bit more responsible because men have always had to do this but a lot of women seem to not want to play the same part despite wanting everything else in life to be equal Man taking the lead is not always end in a good outcome
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:03 AM
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When I was about 18 I was flirting with a girl in my college and judging by her body language and how she was responding to me everything seemed good but imagine my surprise later on when I find out that she calls the school principal on me Keep in mind I wasn't being awkward or weird at all but I am a huge dude and a huge black dude at that A lot of men's fears are grounded in some real reality and we've overcorrected protecting women so much that we have seen to forget that a lot of women aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:02 AM
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I don't really believe that's all true because even in my most awkward days I will still pretty social and a go-getter but that's because my archetype is viewed as awkward Like I'm a big black dude but I was also super openly expressive and emotional and I was a comic book nerd From my experience if you were at art for theater kid you were going to be looked at as conference even if you weren't I have so many experiences of girls showing interest in me because I'm a big black dude and hence I lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:00 AM
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But see that's hard to quantify because we will never be able to sit down and measure every single individual so that's why we take on generalizations and traits and trends I used to Club hard when I was in college and in my experience you can put girls in the three categories. There are girls who go to clubs for just attention Girls who were looking for a hookup or relationship And girls who were just looking for attention but may entertain a guy that they like On one hand I completely understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:54 AM
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Exactly but you also got to keep in mind not every girl is innocent and even amongst the most greatest women a guy could pick up there is still a sea of women who will probably been mean or nasty or manipulative Also we have to stop avoiding all of this with a guy somehow being an experienced or an incel because I get tons of attention from women now and I still have hiccups due to past experience Guys are allowed to have Hangouts about women just as women are allowed to have them about us and u…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:49 AM
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I remember flirting with a girl and the library thinking everything was cool and then I end up getting off of the office by the principal Now keep in mind this girl did not make any type of effort to tell me she was uncomfortable or that she didn't like me because she kept responding to me and her body language matched it Also we have to keep in mind that's not every girl is graceful or innocent I'm a big black dude in historically speaking in this country a lot of black men have been killed or …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:48 AM
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Men kind of have no choice but to meet halfway but also calling men's fears as a reason that holds them back is kind of disingenuous because those fears are rooted in real things
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:43 AM
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I can see that but then again when I look back as a Young Man a lot of the stuff can come from the perception that the man is awkward because he's not doing x y and z I'm pretty sure that situation can get awkward but that's something I've noticed over the course of these last couple of years whenever we're talking about relationships or interactions between men and women it's always that the man is somehow doing something awkward or weird even if he's not the one being the agent in this Basical…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:42 AM
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Exactly and also sometimes guys don't feel like being put on the spot having to play this game especially in front of other people and especially nowadays were doing this type of thing in front of other people to get you all the weirdo or predatory I used to ignore girls used to like me just out of pure bitterness because I hated the fact that I was so expected to pursue as a man and if I get it wrong I am open to be made fun of or to be looked at as a weirdo So when the same girls will go after…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:15 AM
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As I get older I'm sorry it's just hard for me to believe that a lot of women would rather be alone because it's easy to say that but looking at women conversations and social media and other things lead me to believe that that's not the case Don't get me wrong I do believe both men and women would rather be alone and can be capable but it's something not a lot of people strive for nor is it something that I think a lot of people are happy about That's what I'm kind of working on right now I wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 01:04 AM
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Or if you don't accurately read their minds since because a lot of girls are taught that they cannot express their sexuality overtly so I imagine a lot of them would try to find I'll wait to let a guy know that she's interested because unfortunately a girl doing that he looked at as s***** But I imagine it is frustrating for a girl because she can't out really say she's interested because she believes she'll be looked at as trashy but at the same time men aren't mind readers This is literally th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:56 AM
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Or he had a bad experience a lot of girls will lead guys on and play guys and I remember in high school that some girls will show interest but I would ignore or act like I didn't hear them because I didn't want to play their stupid game Once again we also got to keep in mind with men are told When you're told that's your sexuality is always predatory or nasty or patriarchal then you're not going to want to be associated with it and if a girl comes up to you I bet you would look at her like she's…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:50 AM
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That is also something that I think a lot of people Miss is that young immature girls are just as Clueless as young immature guys but the biggest difference is guys are turned off by a girl who may be clueless or awkward After getting older and dating more I have realized that there are a lot of beautiful women who are not really interesting or have emotional intelligence because they simply never had to work on them As women they already don't to get a mate and considering that guys do most of …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:42 AM
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That sounds so stupid I'm sorry If a guy can't take a hint from a girl who's trying so hard to show that she likes a guy but refuses to say so it's not the same from a guy not picking up socks or whatever I could be a social Mastermind and have a horrible house or I could be the cleanliness person and be horrible social We need to stop equating attractive men would somehow being the social masterminds and super neat freaks because that's just not the case Buy a lot of people's logic I should be …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:34 AM
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This is a lot to do with the differences in women and men's experiences because you think it's crazy that a guy could be invited by a cute girl and not make a move but so many guys probably have had that to them only for the situation to not be what they thought And as much as girls will give giant speeches about how guys should do their conduct with approaching I find it crazy that so many girls just cannot grow a pair and just State what they want because ironically just like how a lot of girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:31 AM
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Which makes all of this worse because he could be the most outgoing guy but a lot of girls hints are so ambiguous that they tend to fly over anybody head You also have to remember that guys are taught the opposite as in that we shouldn't be to assertive approaching the opposite sex and a lot of things that could be considered hints like niceness or even just general flirting are sometimes just that and a lot of guys have made a lot of mistakes in the past thinking that the girl was into them whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:28 AM
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Exactly and that's something I tell every woman is that women can be sexual and is not seen as dangerous but that's just not the same for men As a young big black boy that's something that was hit with my reality very quickly I always knew that being a big black man would be looked at a threatening and I was raised by mostly women who would teach me about that type of thing so imagine my surprise when I'm doing everything right and you're still looked at this dangerous or creepy I'll never forge…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:25 AM
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I disagree because improve most people are that different from other generations and we shouldn't make that comparison because if all the people born in 1800 were born in this time and they would arguably be the same as us I don't think people are bad at socializing for say as much as so many rules of what's considered Good Conduct have changed I've also been told the Dual contradictory statements such as being more assertive and escalating physically only to have it backfire but I've also been …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:21 AM
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You know the crazy thing is my personality has not changed much but I have grown in my looks as a lot of people have complimented me. So far I have had three steady girlfriends and a couple of flings but I really don't view it as a success Now when I was younger I took all of that stuff about seduction seriously but it still did not serve me but something that gave me more success than any of that was simply time I am still very much a starving artist and I live with my grandparents yet I have m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 12:02 AM
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See the thing is society does teach it but at the same time it's not really expected the way a lot of people think otherwise you would have more people acting like it And I would argue that that's how a holes are made is they have been kind but don't really receive anything back or it's not appreciated and our society is kind of showing it Movies and TV and books and family members and even church will send you subliminal messages and you can't tell me that that's not happening because I'm an ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:38 PM

I know plenty of offer to fit her people who still can relate so what I hate this advice from both sides Women will say that they want non-toxic and successful men but tons of men who aren't successful and are extremely toxic to well with women There's also the reverse as just because a man is nerdy for not as masculine does not mean he can't find a woman I have no degree as I'm an artist so I really don't need it and technically speaking I kind of succeeded in becoming an artist since more peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:26 PM
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This is a societal problem like every other one and it's the responsibility of all of Society members I know it's not every woman as I have dated a lot and I have been treated well by some adorable by some but for the most part A lot of girls perpetuate this type of thing because they're either not honest about what they like or they themselves or not mature or confident enough to State what they don't like. Peer pressure is also a big thing and I do know that a lot of girls fall more easily to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:41 PM
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There's also no guarantee doing all this will work because even before I discovered the red pill I was self improving when I was 17 all the way up to now and 25 and my success rate is dismal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 10:09 PM
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Stop acting like you don't know what he's talking about and using feminist talking points to shame We have a society have to stop telling men that they need to be nice and kind only to find out that women are literally giving attention time and sex to the most misogynistic of men In middle school I couldn't take feminism seriously for the same reasons because the same girls who would scream about doing his talking points for the same girls who were dating the guys that literally would use them a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 09:52 PM
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Not really especially since a lot of these analysis and theories pertain to not just groups of people especially since groups of people are made up of individuals
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 03:24 AM
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Everything is nuanced or intersectional. You as a black woman have many challenges but their not the SAME challenges. Family courts In group hias Allowed to be more emotionally expressive Allowed to be vulnerable Empathy gap
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 03:12 AM
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Also you got to remember the proceed value in masculinity of black man versus white men Minority men are always going to see is less manly and because of mix of racism they're always going to be seen as fair game for abuse Which is another hard fact that I like to tell a lot of women is that if you want to destroy a people you usually attack the men first. In the Holocaust men were killed first because they are the first ones more likely to risk a revolt. They are the ones making the money and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:42 AM
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Something we also have to remember is that women are more inclined to the social but that could be a detrimental thing because not every social Norm is healthy or good and a lot of times you can go against your best interest trying to fit in And right now I'm escalating man is a social currency to fit in Which is ironic historically speaking isn't it and I've told every single girl I know this They're not as Progressive or understanding as they think they are and if these women were born 60 year…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:16 AM
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As a kid I noticed it all the time The immaculinization and a lot of women don't think they're doing I was raised by predominantly women on both sides of my family and in recent years I have to put my foot down and basically let them know that I will not be an emasculated It's crazy because I have a cousin that's married high school sweetheart and we all grew up together and she's not evil by any means but she does have a streak where she does emasculate my cousin and even when she realizes she'…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:13 AM
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That's because we've made a massive overcorrection and a lot more women whether they know it or not or privileged and our society caters to it Privileges are invisible to those who have it and there is no reason why so many young American women should think they are pressed especially since men have built the world so well to protect women and for the fact that we live in the first world country The same women who complain so much are the daughters and granddaughters of the same patriarchal men …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:55 AM
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As a black man I tell a lot of my female friends this all the time especially my white ones Men are more likely to face all of life crazy problems especially the violent ones much more than a woman's will and a big difference between the genders is that even though women go through their own thing they will still have all of society backing them I've always argue the only reason why feminism took office because Society already had an end group in group bias for women There was no reason why so m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:53 AM
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I come from American hoods so yeah You will see this type of thing in the black community
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:03 PM
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It's not the same because no matter how stronger I get as a man I still can't have sex unless a woman dictates it The reason why a lot of men don't like higher body count limit is awesome for the fact that sex and dating is much easier for women Why would I marry someone who literally got something for free and so easily to her because she was born meanwhile if I want to sleep around I have to make value in myself which is not easy and could take potentially years. Let's say 35% of women in one …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:01 PM
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Yes I they are bold. But most of the time. No
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:18 PM
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Well obviously fear is not respect because if you have to rule through fear then most people aren't going to respect you because they realize they only tool you have is either using violence or other other handed tactics Once again I think we're arguing semantics because a person can have two traits or have one and not be absent of the other. Like we can respect homeless people because of their struggles but you wouldn't admire one because you wouldn't want to be in their place I feel like admir…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:42 PM
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Oh bro I've been on both sides of this and looking back I think it's much better just to avoid confrontation because you could end up getting yourself in worse trouble or you could end up feeling worse Especially as a big black dude you will come to realize just how many people will become scared of you before you even raise your voice This is going to be funny contention when I was growing up and it's something that really has come into conflict with me and my family as of late S I have finally…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:36 PM
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That sounds nice on paper but I also have many experiences telling me that the man putting his opinion higher than others and sometimes make enemies and look like a jackass Especially if their opinions that aren't too savvy now I completely understand that that's important because you may find allies or even people who agree with you but for the most part I never understood the dichotomy between not caring about others opinions equaling being attractive I will also argue with because in our mode…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:58 PM
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I know I'm 25 I'm still with my grandparents and I have no kids and my situation seems to be the norm as half of my friend group is in the same boat And thank you for the compliment. I'm not so bad that I can't get a date I do realize that my situation probably isn't attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 11:42 AM
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Would want to talk smooth or attractive could easily be seen as something else to a potential girl and you also assume that every girl is going to have your best interest at heart or be emotionally mature enough to reject normally This girl that I was talking about literally turn me down normally which was fine but clearly she was not mature enough just to let it in there and she ended up spreading rumors about me It's not that you just asked them out it's for the fact that some girls are ego dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 11:39 AM
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Sometimes it can and other times like everything else it can backfire I know so many guys including myself who went after the wrong woman and did everything right but because this woman was either not emotionally mature herself or for the fact that she was evil, she ended up spreading rumors or made the guy out to be some type of weirdo Like I remember confessing to a crush one time that I liked her and even though she led me on she rejected me and I was cool with that but the weekend later when…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:58 AM
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Tell bro I know that as both my parents were drug dealers When you grow up this type of thing it's hard getting it out of your head because you're told so many contradictory things especially if you come from a low income minority community Like the same women who will scream about the men in our community who do damage are the same women who will open legs for those men. That's all I was told as a kid that I should not be like my parents and that I should strive for something better and so far …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:54 AM
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I get their definitions bro but I really don't think that they are opposites or that your absence of one if you have the other Just asked you can be a hard worker and lazy at the same time depending on what it is and what environment you're in Like when I was a teenager I was pretty lazy about cleaning my room but I was a hard worker at school and in the gym. Hell even as I get older I'm technically more confident but I also have more insecurities now because I'm supposed to more stuff now. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:52 AM
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I don't know bro that seems kind of crazy to me because I am pretty confident about a lot of things but that does not mean I'm absent of insecurity I kind of thought it was a given and I'm pretty sure that's most people Like I had a friend who was literally so good at basketball everybody thought he will go to the NBA He was very good and I'm pretty sure that took a lot of time and practice which led to competence and him being confident about that thing. Now if you try to get him to speak in fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:50 AM
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That doesn't make sense though because it's like saying that you can't be brave if you're scared of stuff I don't know bro like I have socialized with a lot of people and I just never really got that kind of most people because if you talk to most people they were revealed to you both their strengths and weaknesses and I feel like that it's kind of proof of what I'm talking about For example all my friends will agree that I am very comfortable talking with people and even giving public speeches …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:37 AM
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But if that was true then more guys would have results because confidence and ambition look very different with different people I'm an artist and a great quote that equates with us is even though we are artists and have to steal technically improve to become better. Art is very subjective and it's not something that's like a competition to where you win gold It all depends on how the viewer takes in the art. It takes a lot of time and skill and most definitely Ambition to get good at this type …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:34 AM
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Bro I come from a family of drug dealers You can definitely be a loose and rubish and still be successful with women and people I know what you said come to my job all the time it's pretty Loose as he doesn't talk much and he has a girlfriend Even as I say this not everybody is the same because I've even had to change my opinions about stuff just because I have had more success with women in the last 2 years Make it even more confusing if we're going off of the time of advice I should have had m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:29 AM
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I feel like a rogue male is literally someone who goes against the social order but isn't an outcast in the negative sense I believe there's a danger aspect to it as Outlaws were very much antisocial and did not fit in with their societies but they were Outlaws and dangerous and thus had power And that power is most likely what attracts the woman even though the man is literally a criminal or something. That's why you can have men with regular jobs and have normal interest but and get women in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:26 AM
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Honestly I don't think a sigma male is really that attractive to a woman because they're by definition men who don't care about hierarchies and that is good to live by because you don't pressure yourself but it kind of defeats the purpose of dating and becoming attractive I guess I enjoy socializing and stuff like that but I will call myself a little Sigma because I've had to train myself a lot to ignore societies standards because if I didn't I probably wouldn't be as far in my career cuz I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:24 AM
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My bad not truck dealers drug dealers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:18 AM
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At the same time you can't be confident and still insecure at the same time and you can be assured over some things and still insecure over others. I don't really think confident is the opposite of insecure For example I have no problem making friends with people but handling certain situation at work for example does feel me with a little anxiety My point is that most people have a healthy dose of confidence and it's pretty normal to have insecurities
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:18 AM
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I'm pretty sure that's the definition is doing things and still telling yourself you're okay despite the feeling of fear or uncertainty And I should know because I have protested and my grandfather was a black panther and growing up in the black community you learn a lot about the civil rights movement and it's hard for me to imagine that so many people who literally would put their lives in the line wouldn't have an ounce of confidence in them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:16 AM
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See now we're arguing semantics because of course you can be insecure and still be strong enough to tackle things because I don't think one ends with the other Ironically doing all of these things while insecure is the definition of confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:09 AM
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I don't understand how one can't be confident and to despotic governments and challenging life situations That's my biggest gripe with the confidence advice because a man could be super confident and still fail meanwhile everything you just listed pretty much takes a lot of confidence and Drive by default
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:01 AM
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I find that to be too weak of a reason because just because a man is in a trade does not mean he doesn't enjoy intelligent conversation and just because a man enjoys that type of thing does not mean he's going to be attractive I'm literally a visual artist and my ex-girlfriend hated my nerdiness so having intelligent conversation with her was out of the question Right now I am having no luck with women because even though I work two jobs they're both retail and I live in my grandfather Experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:14 AM
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Because those guys usually have no choice to work hard in academics simultaneously seeing academics as a way out I'm a black nerdy kid and this was basically my life as I came from the household filled with drugs and violence There's still so much trauma I have to unpack
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:10 AM
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It's a chicken and egg thing because a lot of men are virgins because women standards are already so high even when other women are virgins and like I said I have real relationship experience with a girl who thought like this So many girls will say they don't want a virgin after 25 but I think a lot of girls forget that they were checked thousands of men and even with that type of thing going on a lot of girls will still reject men even if their virgins at age 18 19 or 20 especially if that girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:46 AM
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I thought the same thing but basically that's how a lot of women operate even though they don't think they are That's like the main reason why so many women don't want virgins and you can't say it's because they lack other skills because I lost my virginity last year and I was literally the most social and outgoing person I knew A big fear of mine was actually just that as my first girlfriend made me wait which I was told to wait to have sex but she ended up cheating on me and then later on ende…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 11:53 PM
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Basically acting like a Class Clown or super arrogant or hypermasculine. I'm a big black then for the hood and you can tell which group of men do better with women it's not the boys who are calm and are in school studying. Basically everything our parents as black kids told us not to be is exactly what was attractive. I'm not saying you have to be a complete Thug archetype but putting as many of those qualities in your social repertoire seem to help. Basically the man who can at least put on a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 11:16 PM
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Once again I do not like cheating as it caused a lot of Destruction in my family and I have been cheated off and I have turned down women who have tried to use me to cheat I do know that Society does pressure men to appear to be sexual conquerors and that pressure comes from all genders After talking to a lot of guys I always wondered if that's why so many guys pursued sex. Most of the time sex does not last longer than Maybe 20 minutes Even more so now with so many distractions from romance suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:30 PM
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There's a lot of factors that go into that type of thing as I believe that any man could probably get more Partners especially if he finds his right Niche of women What was his confidence like? How much money did he make? How many partners did he have before you? Was he a regular dude or did he come from money?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:23 PM
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Honestly even without Tinder a lot of girls will still act like this and I understand why because girls kind of have to make it hard for guys because not every guy is safe Many men attach themselves to the Redpill because it's the only alternative that gives me something to work with that's not automatically hating on them or blaming them for their own problems. Other dating advice and stuff for men sounds nice on paper but so many men used it and came up short and just went looking elsewhere It…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:20 PM
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I'm not trying to diminish you or what happened with your ex but your ex probably fits into the small percentage of men who could probably pull that off
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:17 PM
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I wouldn't give girls that much credit and I say this as a visual artist I do think if you are artistic and good at it it does add more value to you and thus could potentially be more attractive but I do agree it's not attractive in itself. I don't think anything really is But I get your theory about not changing to get girls because it's will backfire but has someone who's done both this and the opposite sometimes faking does work and sometimes changing up things to suit a new need does bring y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 11:18 AM
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Believe me we are still human and we can have independent thought A lot of our sexual attraction is very hardwired into our ancient instincts I've had three girlfriends. My last thing was about 2 months ago
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:31 AM
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Today women are more equal than ever and can make their own money and support themselves and yet they still follow their biological drives such as still wanting a man to basically be better I could easily say that women don't view men as people because they still value them in for their money or strength especially if it's not needed nowadays And yet you will hear so many young American women who are the most privileged women on earth talk about how hard they have it yet at the same time they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:38 AM
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I don't think it's really silly and foolish especially if it's something natural that's built into the human brain And it doesn't mean that they view women as not being people but your response kind of lets me know that you really don't care about them inside of it Fighting for women does not meet you have to be on a woman's side for every single situation especially if the woman is the wrong door Even today men have to be careful because you don't want to raise a kid that's not yours nor do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:37 AM
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That's the same thing I will tell to everybody especially when we're talking about who struggles the most because most people do have more female ancestors in a big reason why is because it is always been expected that men put their lives down whether it's in work or War Like imagine if a father his brother and both of their sons were on a boat back in the year 1000 They're traveling trying to get fish or buy stuff or whatever so they can survive but their ship is commandeered by Pirates Of cour…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:03 AM
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As much as I agree with you I also think it doesn't give people enough Grace just to say that anyone who falls for an abusive person is emotionally damaged because when I met my abusive ex-girlfriend I was arguably at the most mentally happy I ever was Now because of my set self happiness and acceptance of others I will say that was my biggest downfall with dating a girl like that because I was operating and trying to understand her and not be so judgmental when in reality people like that are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:59 AM
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Exactly especially since women will do the same thing when differentiating the men they like and don't like
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:56 AM
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Historically and ancestral speaking men have to worry about paternity Back then there was no type of DNA testing or anything like that so basically the man had to take the Woman's Work if that child was really his because he's not the one giving birth so he would not know 100% it was Biologically speaking most men do not want to spend resources on another man's kid especially if you think of it from the perspective of that man that lived thousands of years ago To be able to get that woman and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:45 AM
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And also women have basically made all their dating problems political which is a problem because we all know where the problems come from but if that person does not stop going towards that problem and there's nothing we can do and you can't ask them to keep having empathy or sympathy And I say that as someone whose parents are both drug dealers I'm from the black community and unfortunately a lot of our women thought these types of men and then entire Industries will capitalize on that pain an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:16 AM
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And that's something else I think is missing from our conversations about this because I do not see how we equated nice guys with having absolutely no type of anything that women are attracted to because as a nerdy nice guy I'm still surprised with how much attention I got I literally made in woman orgasm twice without even penetrating her so experience has made me question a lot of things I literally made a woman orgasm without even doing much and I am not some type of super Alpha
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:09 AM
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I slowly am but I do not feel good about it Like what's the point of doing all this stupid stuff when you cognitively know that you're putting on an act And I'll be honest it's harder to respect and woman who falls for this type of thing or goes after these types of things just because it's such a stupid game and they will cry about whatever consequences happened to them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:55 PM
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I think that's more of a failure on women especially nowadays because you can't have it both ways You can't say that you're tired of man acting toxic or nasty but then all the opposite man to boring or predictable
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:53 PM
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I know and that's what's so hard about it because you can find some normal women into cracks but it probably took me at least 300 plus rejections to get maybe five good outcomes I've seriously dated since I was 18. Im 25 now and I've had three serious girlfriend and one major FWB Every other minor flank I really don't count because I really didn't get pleasure out of it And it's crazy because being friends with so many girls they will reluctantly admit how messed up this contradiction is especia…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:09 PM
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I see what you mean because the women I have had success with are pretty varied but my favorite were the ones that I felt like I didn't have to act like some weirdo or dancing monkey to impress. But my point still stands because it's about how often in the frequency so many girls will fall for this type of dude first before any other positive alternative That's why I usually call BS on advice on both sides about what type of self-improvement guys are doing because nine times out of 10 most guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:06 PM
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But it's crazy because like the dude said so many women do expect so many people including their potential dates to care a lot about their problems But I do understand it boy because I had to turn down a girl who immediately don't info about her being assaulted
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:02 PM
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I find that crazy because every relationship I've had it was the opposite even on the girls and except for one of my abusive exes and I find that a lot of women who think like this have abusive tendency because Broke up with my ex is because she expected the world to be understanding of her problems which it is not a crime to desire empathy but it does become a problem when you don't give anybody else that Grace I really do think a lot of girls don't realize how hypocritical they are with a stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:00 PM
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Thank you and has someone with mental health issues I have never tried to use this as some type of excuse to be self-centered and I see way too much of that Ironically I am single now because I'm trying to borrow towards my mental health from women that think like this No it's not your job to be your partners therapist but you should be at least your partner's number one I thought a relationship was supposed to be a partnership or the team effort
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 10:56 PM
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I can feel and relate with the story on so many levels because I'm an artist and I finally am making a name for myself but I can understand the parents point of view because I am still very much in the starving artist category There's a lot of attractive traits in we artist. Art takes a lot of time and discipline and enough confidence immaturity to know where your weak points are and it takes a lot of hard work to fix those mistakes. I've been drawing since I was six and it wasn't until I was at…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 10:53 PM
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Believe me I agree with you actually when I was younger but now the older it's one of those things that's a necessary evil Not every girl thinks like you and a lot of girls will see a guy that's less than manly in this less valuable if he hasn't plowed through a whole city of girls I had to hook up where I made the woman orgasm twice it did not make me feel good nor did it make me feel manly but I know that thanks to that experience I will be looked at more favorably by more women in the future …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 10:15 PM
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I think it's because sex and even more so trying to make a connection with the opposite sex is natural I'm a pretty nerdy guy but I was always social and even still I'm only getting attention from women now in my twenties and I honestly think that's mostly because I've grown in my looks I'm very much an extroverted nerd and I've done tons of other stuff but my personality really does not change much since high school Dating does not come easy to a lot of people and there are so many factors that…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 05:21 PM
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Feminism denies gender roles all the time. They literally will tell you that. and analyze gender and gender roles on an impressive scale. Which is a good thing to have especially when you're trying to understand something but feminism will ironically use gender roles against any criticism of toxic women Behavior Feminism will do this weird thing where it contradicts itself They say they're all for disablishing old toxic gender norms and yet will use them anytime it conveniences them in an argume…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 05:44 AM
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It's not insecurities. Most of it is but even if it is true we should probably be more empathetic and analyze why so many young men feel that need to go to this especially if the other side is there and the young men are choosing it Most feminists do not practice what they preach especially considering their ideology which if they believe in it that means they should be more Discerning and introspect even more Do you really see this man in front of you as human that you're arguing with and are y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:41 AM
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You're talking to a poor black man from the hood so I can understand what you're saying but because I'm a big black man from the hood I've also been treated like crap because of not fulfilling whatever masculine role Society has for me My biggest problem with the feminist is that they act like this type of thing just went away or that men and women still don't judge men based off of Old norms If someone attacks me because I like to cry and emotional movies , then that person is contributing to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:09 AM
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The thing I hate about victim mentality is that so many people on the Republican side will use it to wash away any perceived real grievances and I hate it anywhere now because anybody of any group could easily say the other side is falling into victim mentality But I don't think it's a victim mentality too deal the world in a way that can be viewed any other way even for the most open-minded such as myself I didn't want the red pill to be real but after so many conflicting factors and so many ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:25 AM
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Or guys have already done some form or fashion of this type of thing and it still does not feel the results which is kind of why I'm angry now even though I have had some successes That's one of the biggest reasons why I went down the redpill hole was because I tried so many things and I was still struggling
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 11:50 PM
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Literally for about the last 5 decades so many women have literally blamed everything wrong in their lives on men or men as a class I grew up surrounded by predominantly women and it really does show how they view men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:55 PM
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As much as I understand your sentiment a man who thinks he deserves to love he wants for being himself is bullish at best and will get a rude reality I've been on both sides so I know not every woman is going to be evil but a lot of women still seem to want to be traditional while not being traditional themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:45 PM
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All men in general suffering and all those men are listed could easily fit in that category as I know businessman and army veterans who still have trouble with women You kind of reinforced this stereotype that any man that has a problem with women is because of some type of moral failure
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 06:55 PM
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I've been in conversations when women will literally complain about having some type of archetype of man which is fine but then they always have to add something about being inherently a woman and that she had to work for hers You act like only men will do this type Women often do the same thing and will insert their dating problems and mix it in with something political as if there is some type of entitlement How many articles have we seen about men being horribly awful to women in any type of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:21 PM
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Easy to say for someone who's never been seen as it. And keep in mind we're both human so technically we're neither pray nor predator
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:14 PM
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Your struggles are not inherently worse or better off than anybody else's and that's the greatest failure of our modern politics is that we made human nature some type of competition I'm a black man and historically I should be afraid of every single woman around me because so many black men have been accused of rape and other types of things and that usually led to their death or being incarcerated. Do you think you could could handle the weight of inherently being a danger and statistically mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:11 PM
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Why do you guys insist on thinking that we don't understand that I was raised for dominantly by women on both sides of the family so a lot of their experiences were intertwined with my but I will still born a man and I still had to find my own path because even with their own judgment they could not understand And I understand completely why women have to find the best they can get but I wish women were more honest about this type of thing Stop complaining about all the bad guys when you know th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 05:04 PM
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It is a vicious cycle because I can use that same reasoning Imagine having female bullies who make it sexual but you can't fight them off And the thing is I completely understand but once again I don't really think a lot of women really do understand the double bond a lot of men are in because The same things that you guys seem to be afraid of are the same things necessary for a guy to not only be attractive but to even walk up to you The nervous guy that's weird and is coming up to you is actin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:58 PM
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But that's kind of the point is that one party literally has it easier because of factors that they or the other party could not control Main value women that were born pretty but men also value other things pretty about a woman Men can love short skinny fat or even ugly women But so much of what attractive is in a man takes so much time and effort and sometimes takes putting on a mask that a lot of women just don't have to do because women are much more Freer in their emotional expression Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:33 PM
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For her to be attractive enough to do that she was most likely born with it and on the virtue of being born a woman meanwhile the banker even if he is messing around with other women also had to literally work hard for years to become attractive and even still she's still not attracted to him And that's why you see a lot of animosity because that's the main difference between men and women is that the woman does not have to put in insane amounts of self-improvement or other BS to be seen as attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:20 PM
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All this sounds silly and it feels like you're only trying to control men for your own benefit and using all these book Words thinking that men lack socialization or emotional intelligence is another cop out It's so easy just to explain men's anger as something that they're not good at controlling and that they're somehow lacking emotional intelligence but all of this really just reinforces those stereotypes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:44 PM
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I believe what he's trying to say is that our societies understanding and empathy towards both genders is severely lacking and consistency Why should men who literally suffer the most care about the outer society especially when or make no effort to understand these men Look at your response and how you basically dumb down this person's entire paragraph into just another example of dumping on men No one is born evil and no one just comes out hating people I remember being in a horrible place in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:42 PM
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I mean I think it's really all the same because the Western woman is attracted to you based off of the same stuff and even without sex added in you're still basically paying for the woman anyway When you get down to it it really is no difference between prostitution and because he was a man still have to do the most and pay the most Why spend or waste so much of my time trying to romance and impressive girl who really does not have my business interested heart anyway and will leave me at the dro…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:06 AM
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Well that's the problem is most men have already done that and most women and believe they have leveled up Beyond men because we've made it so easy. Women can now make their own money but it has messed up a daily Market because making money and more money is still expected of men so even when a woman herself doesn't even have the skills to actually date of him she's above him because she makes more You can see the craziness in this because you have girls who are super overweight and not feminine…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:02 AM
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Media created from women does exactly the same thing though despite a lot of people believing it's progressive. Take it from someone who spent a good chunk of his youth reading literally almost anything I can get my hands on Even some of my most beloved Works made by women or that were made for women will have this type of objectification on both sides The author for Fullmetal Alchemist is a woman and even in her notes that she leaves at the end of her books she has stated that she draws men and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 06:44 PM
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Huh? Where did I say that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 05:50 PM
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Like the below poster there is no major psychological studies on this type of thing because there's no practice or interest because we've been so biased towards women's issues and that's not a problem but it does become a problem when only one side of society's issues are being taken seriously If you look at any media even the ones directed at men, the man can never just be and still be valued or seen as attractive or a real man or Etc He always has to do something, or prove something, or gain s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:56 PM
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We have to stop equating respecting women with being good at getting women because of that was really true then so many good guys would have more luck in so many crazy dudes or abusive dudes wouldn't have any luck at all And that's how you know a lot of women really don't understand their own attraction or men because I know so many dudes who will be disrespectful to a girl and still pick that girl up So much of what women will call toxic masculinity is exactly what they're attracted to and I al…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:45 PM
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Not sure if you're trying to ask Mark or play dumb but I'm pretty sure your post was pertaining to this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:40 PM
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My best friend had his ass grabbed by a teacher Judging by how many teachers are both genders seem to pray on kids I'm pretty sure the female side isn't rare
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 05:05 PM
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Little boys get sexually harassed too and most child abuse is perpetrated by women The greatest failure of our modern politics especially the left is that we've made human nature competition We have no right to view what is harder for the other just as much as we can't decide when or how the individual gets over their trauma Look how easily you minimize this person's struggle though by telling them that people treating them horribly is nothing. You can't muster empathy for this person then why s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 05:04 PM
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A lot of my own experiences came from people of all ages and all genders A lot of people on both sides do themselves and Injustice because all of society's problems come from all of its members. Hence why we're called a society (social) A girl can easily be a victim of cat calling it also be a perpetrator of toxic masculinity as they call it Is a man could be a perpetrator of cat calling and still get bullied or emasculated for x y and z We as members of society contribute to all the problems an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 05:02 PM
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As a young man I was continuously harassed by older people of both genders because I was super big and tall and black and there's been a long history of my archetype and being fetishized for sex or Sports or violence I've had grown men try to recruit me to their gang and try to sell me drugs and I've also had older women hit on me when not knowing that I was a kid I don't agree with cat calling at all but it's hard for me to believe that most women get PTSD from it especially considering that mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 04:58 PM
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We can say the same with almost anything that has been seen as normal. It was considered manly or gentlemanly To beat your wife and anybody that was subordinate to you including workers or family members or slaves. It'll be crazy for us to tell a lot of women that they should be complaining about being treated fairly now since women were expected to take that type of abuse For most of History 80% of humanity was considerably under class and even cooler most of the time that 80% spent most of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 04:55 PM
3

Me and my girlfriend literally watched one together and it literally did nothing for me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 02:53 PM
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And this is why I hate the narrative that only men indulge in p*** when statistics tell you that at least 70 to 80% of women watch as well I remember even as a teenager I would read smut for men I have written smut for men You can probably find anything similar and sexualize it as a man or woman My last girlfriend was literally an ex stripper and she watched porn. I remember one time she pulled up some bondage porn. I laughed at her because the woman on the video apparently wasn't moaning the wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 02:52 PM
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Po was a great meal from character as he's not a wimp or pathetic but he does have a lot of insecurities naturally but he also doesn't give up I think a lot of young people can relate to wanting to do something but having the ones are supposed to guide you such as a mentor or teacher, beat away at your self-esteem and motivation I've had bad coaches/teachers like shifu The type of Mentor that wants to punish you more in the guise of tough love But Po sticks it out and succeeds while never lookin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/22 02:49 PM
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Look at Women's standards and analyze how they are set up Some things include character like kindness or integrity most of the time get stuff like money or other things that translate to having a lot of money like a nice clothes and car In theory since women make enough to support themselves and others they should be able to pay for a man but biology says that that's something that women are attracted to in men and that's why you still have so much division between men and women despite us being…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 01:01 AM
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I mean that's kind of how our attraction is set up whether you accept that or not Women are going to have to change this type of dynamic as well because so long as I as a man I am only attractive when I am achieving then this Dynamic isn't going to change I wish I could just be me and approach a woman and everything be good with all my experiences tell me that I have to have some type of achievement Going to take both men and women introspecting
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 12:15 AM
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Better results I guess but in its own weird way I kind of got better results as I get more attention but as I'm sure a lot of women will tell you sometimes good attention doesn't equal good attention I guess it's one of those things where you don't expect to have it 100% but you also don't expect to be so bad at it based off of how much work and exposure you're putting yourself into Something I do wish we would tell young men also it's for the fact that socializing is still socializing and some …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:46 AM
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Better results I guess but in its own weird way I kind of got better results as I get more attention but as I'm sure a lot of women will tell you sometimes good attention doesn't equal good attention I guess it's one of those things where you don't expect to have it 100% but you also don't expect to be so bad at it based off of how much work and exposure you're putting yourself into Something I do wish we would tell young men also it's for the fact that socializing is still socializing and some …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:46 AM
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I don't think we are the ones to decide when or exactly how someone gets over their bitterness or trauma And I say that as someone who's a product of trauma coming from an inner city and abusive black household And I hear what you're saying as a lot of Life advice should be taken with salt and applied when it can and be ignored when it can't be applied. Young boys are basically told to me or neutered himself to make girls comfortable but a lot of the time that fine line between making you uncomf…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:16 AM
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I don't think it's the advice but with a lot of things Our Generation was told, it's one of those things that we're all told or received in some type of message whether it be from our family or friends or outer Society or media A lot of politically correct advice we give to man is basically become this super emotional master and that has a lot of Merit and I do believe a lot of men have the capacity for that even without the advice or trying to use it for dating But I think the frustration comes…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 04:09 AM
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Because so many men are told so many conflicting things especially since so many young women don't have to deal with the same burden of performance When you're told all you have to be is nice or competent or confident or smooth and if you are already some of those things of course you're going to think it's easy. Men are told so many contradictory messages from society especially about women because we are viewed as Clueless and dangerous at the same time but you can see that that's contradictor…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 02:45 AM
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I think that's the core of not just dating but a lot of issues in America is for the fact that you're told one thing and you do that thing but your results don't come in the same way I'm very proud of the me in high school because on paper I was doing everything a lot of people would say is attractive in a man I was leading other people and group organizations I was working out and studying and improving myself My art career was still in its infancy but it started from there I was always describ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 02:15 AM
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I'm kind of bitter just for the fact that my looks to not come in until my twenties but on paper I was doing everything everyone says it's supposed to be attractive when I was a teenager but I still got no luck until I met my abusive girlfriend at 18 I know I shouldn't be angry or bitter but it's not the fact that I missed out that makes me better before the fact that I was doing a lot of things a lot of people would consider attractive, but all of that did not guarantee me any success I'm doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 02:07 AM
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It's not about returning the romantic interest but it's about the fakeness and the double standards around it. Also we have to remember while advice can be given in good jest sometimes it doesn't work and sometimes it can go counter to what the person needs especially if the person giving the advice isn't really following what they preach For every woman that has an idea of what a good boyfriend is, nine times out of 10 some guy can fit that somewhere but I think what a lot of girls do is they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 03:21 AM
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I didn't date in high school but I was conventionally attractive and even more so now that I've grown in my looks and I have had more success with women now when I'm arguably at my mentally worse than I did when I was the nerdy go-getter in school. Keep in mind I have not really changed that much and nerdiness and I would argue I have increased my nerdiness as I'm an artist with an actual art career. Female nature is a thing but I would argue if a girl is really infatuated with a guy then she wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:36 AM
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Every girl somehow thinks she's more mentally stable than the next girl My super abusive and insecure ex-girlfriend would literally call other women desperate or stupid for the exact same thing she would do You be surprised how many of your female friends have been exactly that type of girl
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:34 AM
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If you think about it from the man's perspective then you will understand imagine how insulting it is to be told that to be successful with dating all you have to do is be cool or chill or genuinely good person. Only to find out that that very thing is keeping you dateless and the men who are the opposite of that are the ones doing better. And it could be for a number of factors and number of reasons and of course everybody is different but if you were a dude face with this type of thing you wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:33 AM
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The female equivalent of a low tier dude will also have more attention and more opportunities for all types of relationships whether they be good or bad
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 02:52 PM
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Men end up in relationships where the women don't treat them well or disrespected
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 02:30 PM
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Most men would not do that ass most men would cherish their wife regardless of how beautiful she is because we have to remember that attraction is going to be different from Individual and a man could be attracted to in love a woman who's considered a six or seven My last serious girlfriend was super skinny and that's usually not my thing as I like girls who are a little bit more thicker but I still loved her and she was the best girlfriend I ever had You're not going to convince me that men and…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 01:39 PM
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I understand that and that's probably why so many young men are frustrated because they don't want to be those Predators but because the burden of performance is on them they have no choice And that's something I don't think a lot of women really try to entertain is that that guy that made you uncomfortable probably hated the fact that he did and probably taste the fact even more of that is still expected on him to even pursue you I know when I was younger this is probably one of the greatest th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 10:17 PM
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But see you don't have to respect it because respect is not guaranteed either especially if someone's judge you based off of something that you know you're not You can't expect man just to sit and accept that they are creepy especially when they're not and I understand where you're coming from but take it from a black dude Would you tell a bunch of black dudes that they just have to accept and take the fact that they may be seen as dangerous if they're out in public even if it does somehow make …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 09:46 PM
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You're still missing the burden of performance Most guys know how to have female friends and understand that but the burden of performance is still on the guy I didn't start getting real experience with women until I was about 18 I had female friends all the time and that's because I had to force myself to start approaching despite making them uncomfortable and making myself uncomfortable Once again you're still missing the burden of performance because conventionally attractive women still don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 09:42 PM
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It's not the same because just because she has not mentally developed social sexually doesn't mean that she isn't benefiting from it She is still getting sexual and emotional and relationship experience even though all those bad things happen because that's kind of the point You date around to find out what you like but also to find out how you should be treated and what type of people are better for you but a girl has a much easier path with this because of the attention is coming towards her a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 09:23 PM
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In the same breath it's also no one's responsibility to care if you take offense to something really if that's something is social like because so many of those can be misconstrued You also don't get to the side what someone else is also just as you don't get to decide how someone takes your actions I always hate it when girls say this type of thing because they don't realize it goes both ways I'm not a fan of the whole stop being sensitive movement but I think this is an example of what they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 08:55 PM
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I couldn't say it better myself Look at how many women have horrible attitudes and low self esteem nowadays If they were meant they would never do well in dating but because they're women they can still find Opportunities because the burden of performance is not on them They don't have to appear to be more cool or controlled or confident or competent to appear attractive to the opposite sex Now that being said I have been on both sides to where I had a horrible EX who would put all types of rule…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 08:35 PM
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I agree with the other commenter because while women most definitely also lack social skills and don't get it they have an advantage because the burden of performance isn't on them I have personally seen a girl who was scared of men in high school become the campus hoe overnight. Not only did this girl demonize sex also but as soon as she was sexually active she began to clown on guys she will perceive as lesser than. She could do all this because the burden of performance isn't on her as in mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 08:33 PM
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In combination of each other they do give you a very honest and positive look and masculinity I feel like all those lessons lead up to being a wise and gentle badass
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/22 11:37 AM
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As much as I agree and I do understand your point completely I always put him in the camp of a secondary relatable character Honestly you can do a lot of superheroes like that especially before they get their abilities Characters like Peter Parker and Batman and Naruto are all great examples of characters designed to be relatable but because of the settings they're in they do have to add Fantastical elements that sometimes contradict that relatability You don't relate to Peter Parker because he'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/22 05:05 PM
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He's probably the quintessential positive masculine figure that we've seen in the last couple of decades in Western television. And I love his style of encouragement because he doesn't just roll over Zuko with his advice or telling him that he needs to act just like him but he allows to go to go through the Journey while giving him good advice This is actually something I told my mother recently as my younger brother is going to high school soon Something that helped me out wasn't following some…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/22 05:02 PM
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He was married to a black woman so most likely stays around a whole bunch of black spaces so he probably knows about this type of thing Look at how many white women went crazy when Bill Burr basically call them out of the hypocrisy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/22 01:34 AM
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The right Wingers view themselves thinking that if they live back then they would have been the Lord's and kings and conquerors when in reality, most people's back then would have been the underclass and the 1% would have been the Nobles Those right Wingers would have been carpenters and farmers and soldiers and slaves But it's a nice fantasy to tell yourself that if you live in another age you're like your life would have been better
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/22 02:00 AM
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No I actually have real life experience with this
/r/ExRedPill08/08/22 12:55 PM
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And yet I have met so many people who have met through work like that even I have dated two girls like that so I really don't think it's that creepy and sometimes I feel like this is just one of those things people say to the tear guys instead of actually understanding Also so many women have hit on me at my job All this does is ironically victimized and make women seem like they're super fragile even though they're doing the same behavior and that's why you get worked up because it's just addin…
/r/ExRedPill08/08/22 12:54 PM
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Y'all say that when my experience I just don't think it's really that possible especially since most people can't read minds That was the case the most men would not get any luck with women especially when you're young because most men and women really don't understand what they need or want Just a couple of nights ago I was out on a date and the girl kept saying I was handsome and I thought it was funny because that's the only thing that she could think of just say The girl doesn't know me thou…
/r/ExRedPill08/08/22 12:51 PM
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I agree but that's not something that's a guarantee and the person that's comfortable looking like a goofball could be the very example of an unattractive man to a woman which makes this all that much harder When I was younger I was pretty goofy and I was pretty happy and owned it yet I did not get any women but fast forward 5 years I'm probably in the most depressed state I've ever been in yet I have more success now with women than I was when I was much more positive and confident I get what y…
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 06:48 PM
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Think whatever you want
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 05:10 PM
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Women have a lot of soft Social Power is my point and that's why this stuff has not changed because a lot of women truly don't want to change You keep thinking men are just sitting around and doing nothing but when I'm telling you it's the reason why it hasn't changed is because the men that do try to say something get canceled or talk down The red pill movie was an inside on the lives of men and how men are taking advantage of and oppressant Society and as soon as it came out a lot of feminine …
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 05:09 PM
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It's never that easy especially when it comes to something social It would have already changed if men could just do it and make it work but we need everybody in society to get on board A lot of men and women will view men advocating for themselves as hatred or misogyny and that's a big barrier that does not help
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 04:58 PM
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So it's a chicken and egg thing It's kind of hard for a man to a certain self than this day and age though because we live in gynocentricism I have way too many experiences of standing up to women all they had to do was call some type of authority figure or threatened to call the police Men could do all of this but I bet it would be to no avail because the women would either just find another way to abuse or leave him It shouldn't matter why it's just bad behavior Stop making every answer come b…
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 04:11 PM
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The women are thirsty too but that's the one power imbalance is that they do almost every single bad behavior a stereotypical of a man but can use their femininity as a shield
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 03:58 PM
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Also you may be at eventually attractive enough level to where you don't have to do all this crazy stuff The only reason why I think I have got as much luck as I have because I'm conventionally attractive and tall and even in my immature days I was always social and funny But I bet you and I can both pick out guys we know that fit all of this and still don't get much luck Women are that pitch to the point where you could be better than them on front State try to judge you by but if you are lacki…
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 03:23 PM
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But that's what makes it so hard because on the other hand if guys don't approach then they risk being alone because most girls already don't approach And that's why men do get so pushy is because they are competing with every other man's approach and thus the cycle only gets worse I never hit on a bunch of women College but I feel like if I started earlier I probably would have did better just because for men it is a numbers game. Also you got to realize that women are active agents too and a l…
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 03:22 PM
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You all do realize relationships are work and that's probably why our relationships and our modern times aren't working out is because we were rather leave quickly than to stick it out As much as the older Generations have their flaws one thing I can't say that they did better was work on the relationships My great-grandparents went through world wars and racial discrimination and yet still found a way to stay together despite all that drama. Looking back I wish I would have left my girlfriend e…
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 03:05 PM
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Then what do you say to the red pill people who are of both genders A lot of those people say that it's helped improve their lives and out comes with the opposite sex
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:54 PM
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How do you know they hate women?
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:47 PM
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I was once told that you yourself don't get to decide for tricks more but how the people around you respond Once again and I asked this with the utmost empathy If your son went to the red pill would you just view him as a delusional crazy person or would you be concerned and try to steer him in a better Direction without making him out to be some type of secret villain Cuz I'm letting you know right now that all the stuff I was told as a young man did not work and I'm the oldest of five black bo…
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:41 PM
1

Even you just stated that he was a thought leader so what makes him better or more correct than anyone else
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:34 PM
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No mature is not taking information from one side or one source Maturity is learning from all types of things and people even the stuff that you don't agree with I literally just told you that I used to think like that man and instead of that giving you some insight you act immature yourself and tell me to get a brain From where I'm sitting all I see is a child who refuses to let go of their pride
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:33 PM
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Tell that to every feminist because despite what they believe they don't get to decide who's good and bad or moral You all love taking your above everything and think you know better but you are no different than the guys who follow the red pill
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:32 PM
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Most people don't though and that's my point even the most people who say that they understand this type of thing don't follow up with you preach Like I said before I used to be a feminist but now I don't agree with all those old ideas even though they come from an understanding place because a lot of people instead of using it empathetically will use it's selfishly or only going to benefits them
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:28 PM
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Then leave and shut the hell up
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:20 PM
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Well considering I used to be just like FD..... You don't think I matured and started seeing the flaws in that way of thinking? I literally used to spell off the same talking points until I actually got older and matured and realized things are not black and white
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:20 PM
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It's so easy to think in scenario when you're not in it Can I ask you a question? Do you think a lot of women whether or not it's on purpose for intentional absorb a lot of harmful information not only about themselves but expectations of men and carry that with them in the relationships?
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:19 PM
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I already do all that my friend and the fact that you assume I don't is also part of the problem because whenever someone challenges this type of thing it always comes with some sort of insult or just some type of assumption I used to gather in protest and give speeches about this type of thing so I know slacker when it comes to doing my research and understanding people
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:15 PM
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I could say the exact same thing for feminism and anything similar to it but I know it's not I'm trying to compare the two is crazy Like I said before instead of going into outrage mode ask yourself why so many young men seem to gravitate towards this Like I said before I didn't start gravitating towards it until I started seeing the flaws and everything I was told growing up.
/r/ExRedPill07/08/22 02:14 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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