Isn't it possible that there just is a rise in false rape allegations? Even some of the police think many allegations are false!

Ted8367 · 2012-11-02T12:31:43+00:00

legislation introduced in 2010 meant the definition of rape was widened in the hope that it would result in more guilty verdicts.

More guilty verdicts. Not more rapists convicted. Their underlying motivation is evident.

ErasmusMRA · 2012-11-02T12:07:13+00:00

I like to be an optimist and think that Pierce Harlan's work is having an effect. The police are more aware of potential false rape claims so more action is being taken against false accusers.

2012-11-02T14:11:13+00:00

So they widen the definition of rape to get more guilty verdicts? Why not do that with EVERY crime? Lent your buddy $20 when he said he'd pay you back on Wednesday, now its Friday and he still hasn't paid you back? Why not charge him with theft? That will get more guilty verdicts so we won't seem soft on crime. Its like these people never stopped to consider that maybe guilty verdicts in rape cases are going down because ALL violent crime is going down.

Something I think is worth considering: do you think the rise in false accusers getting charged is a result of more false accusations, or a rise in awareness? If its the latter, I think its a sign that our work is starting to take effect.

McFeely_Smackup · 2012-11-02T18:17:15+00:00

She said: “A woman should never be told the only way to withdraw is to say that it didn’t happen.”

I can't speak as to how criminal prosecutions work in Ireland (I imagine it involving whiskey and potatoes), but in the US this statement would be the result of watching too much TV combined with a lot of ignorance about how the law actually works.

There's no such thing as a person "pressing charges". A crime victim who make a report to the police has no authority or ability to stop an investigation or prosectution...because they're just a witness. The government prosecutes cases, not the victim.

So yes, literally the only thing the person who filed the complaint can do to "withdraw" the allegation is to say it was not true. Other than that they can simply refuse to cooperate, but the case CAN still proceed without them, and frequently does.

a_weed_wizard · 2012-11-02T13:52:34+00:00

It's amazing how there is not a single thought in the article about the falsely accused, which is par for the course with MSM articles about this subject matter. It's all about women. Women women women. That guy who lost his job and friends and is now a social leper because of a bogus claim--fuck that guy, right?

ThugLife2012 · 2012-11-02T14:15:39+00:00

"Women worry about being believed so they are not honest about how much they have had to drink or whether there was some consensual activity before it happened." - If any other person lies to the police, it would be considered VERY BAD, but if a woman does it, it's fine, because it's rape and rape is somehow special in the pantheon of crimes.

ls1z28chris · 2012-11-02T13:11:24+00:00

Women wouldn't do that, would they? Falsely accuse a man of rape?

callthebankshot · 2012-11-02T19:42:05+00:00

Research conducted in 2005 showed that just eight per cent of rape allegations were classed as false.

However, Rape Crisis Scotland claims some police officers have privately intimated that they believe around 80 per cent of allegations brought to them are untrue.

It would have been nice if they would expand upon why this is the case. There are a variety of categories a rape claim can fall into that I can think of:

1) provably true 2) not provably true 3) not provably false 4) provably false

The 8% number would represent provably false claims of rape. Convictions would be provably true claims (category 1), plus anyone who's innocent that pleads out. Everything between what is provably true or false is a grey area, because outside of the people directly involved the authenticity of the claims are unknowable.

2012-11-02T20:18:50+00:00

The thrust of the article is that women should be able to back out easier - would this not be a good thing for everyone?

I seriously doubt a significant number of false accusers research how easy it will be to back out before taking lies to the police.

2012-11-02T17:36:22+00:00

I do think there is a rise of false rape allegations and something needs to be done to try and curtail it, but how to curtail it without making it hard for those that are rape isn't going to be easy.

Jovial_Gorilla · 2012-11-02T20:45:35+00:00

Sorta, the problem is that when you convince a generation of young women that they live in a "rape culture" they're going to think that they're constantly being raped somehow. In other words, they might honestly believe their own lies.

actanonverba8 · 2012-11-03T03:35:02+00:00

I think it's vital and the only decent thing to do for people in general (despite the misandric, feminized culture) to acknowledge the blatantly obvious fact that there are false accusations and that it's not surprising. When people are given unilateral power for which they are not accountable, they have a tendency to use it. So, I'm all for the acknowledging.

Having said that, it still disgust me to no end that even (most of) the people promoting we acknowledge false accusations are doing so in the most cruel misandric way. Outisde of MRA-related conversations, all I ever hear when someone acknowledges false accusations is that it hurts "real victims of rape".

So, here we have a situation (false accusations) in which men are being wronged and abused in the most heinous, cruel way and our culture still has to frame it around women. So, let me just state here for clarity, the primary reason that false accusations are bad is because it is wrong for MEN (i.e. humans) to suffer devastatingly emotionally, financially, socially, or punitively when they have done nothing wrong.

purplepowerpete · 2012-11-03T06:01:03+00:00

Now every other woman is claiming she has been raped, I think women are whats driving this "rape culture", oh I had sex when I was drunk and got pregnant, no he raped me obviously This may not be the time, but why is giving contraceptives out a women's rights issue?

Ted8367 · 2012-11-02T16:26:06+00:00

DAE fantasize about a girl accusing you of raping them and then being proven guilty for lying?

Title	Isn't it possible that there just is a rise in false rape allegations? Even some of the police think many allegations are false!
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Date	November 2, 2012 12:00 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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